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Hi folks....First let me preface this note by saying it's not for everyone.

 

You may find it interesting if you're into old road alignments & such.

 

 

 

Recently I was doing some research on my city/county's website to find some

 

info on zoning and property line info for a garage I'll hopefully have in my

 

backyard in the next couple of years. They have this very cool "General Data

 

Viewer" that shows various politcal maps, zoning maps, transportation maps, and

 

aerial photography. The aerial photos are amazing. There are various sets of

 

photos (covering the entire county, ie, Indianapolis) that range in dates from

 

1937 through 2003. I checked out the 2003 photos tonight (recently added to

 

their photo lineup) and the detail is incredible. I zoomed in on my house and it

 

must've been taken on a Friday since I can see my trash cans sitting at the

 

curb!

 

 

 

I've found this site extremely valuable in doing research on old highway

 

alignments through Indianapolis, mainly some sections of US 40/National Road on

 

the west side of town. I've also had a couple of old postcards of an

 

"Emerichsville Bridge", which crossed the White River somewhere in Indianapolis

 

in the

 

early 20th century. Unfortunately the postcards never showed exactly where it

 

was. But thanks to research on the map series from 1937 & 1956, I located where

 

the bridge crossed, which was about 5 minutes east of me.

 

 

 

So you folks who live in a major metro area might want to check your own

 

city/county's websites to see if they offer a similar feature. It's not only

 

good

 

for identifying old alignments, but it also identifies where an old motel,

 

diner, etc. once stood.

 

 

 

Here's a link to the site:

 

http://arcimsnt1.indygov.org/prod/GeneralViewer/viewer.htm

 

 

 

It's a little tricky to use at first, but the key is to use the two

 

drop-downs on the left side of the screen. That and the zoom feature are your

 

best

 

friends!

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Pat B.

 

Speedway, IN

 

http://roadtripmemories.com

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Greetings All!

 

 

 

I have an important notice of preservation value to Route 66.

 

Here is an important message forwarded:

 

 

 

If you have a website and would like to help promote the "Ribbon in

 

Time" CD, here is the link and intro:

 

 

 

Title:

 

Ribbon in Time

 

 

 

Description:

 

The long-neglected 11th Street Bridge that crosses the Arkansas River

 

is finally seeing a rebirth as a pedistrian walkway and showcase of

 

history. One of the first projects is to replace the brass plaques

 

that were on each end of the bridge. The new plaques will help

 

introduce the new name of the bridge, "Cyrus Avery Route 66 Memorial

 

Bridge". A new music CD titled "A Ribbon In Time" - a Collector's

 

Edition of eleven new Route 66 songs written and sung by Buenger

 

Dickson is now on sale. 100% of the sales proceeds from this LIMITED

 

EDITION CD will be used to purchase the bronze memorial plaques. URL:

 

 

 

URL:

 

http://www.mistyowl.com/route66/RibbonTime.htm

 

 

 

If you click on the Vendors button, it will take you to a list of the

 

Vendors that are currently selling the CD. If you are selling it and

 

do not see your name/business listed, please let me know so I can get

 

it added.

 

 

 

Let's see if we can get these first copies sold out quickly.

 

Remember, once the plaques are bought, then that will be money for

 

even more projects. Let's see if we can get into at least the second

 

production of this CD before the Festival. (Just a note to

 

collectors...you really want to be sure and get this first

 

copy..!!!!!)

 

 

 

If you don't live have a business, is there any in your area that can

 

help promote the CD? Any place that sellls CD, traveling supplies,

 

art galleries, etc, etc. Know someone planning a trip. Just think how

 

much they would appreciate a basket filled with a couple of good

 

Route 66 books, maps, "a great sing-along CD", Valentine coming

 

up...How about a basket with a bottle of one of the Route 66 wines

 

and a CD. Need a house warming gift?....Who wouldn't want a sing-

 

along CD to listen to while arranging that new home.

 

Okay, getting the idea here?????????

 

 

 

For that matter, if you are trying to get a city aware that they have

 

a valuable assess in the Road Icons, how about a basket of Route 66

 

goodies to show them how other town/cities promote the Mother Road to

 

give them an idea of what they are missing out on.

 

 

 

dona

 

www.mistyowl.com

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----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Alex Burr" <hester_nec@yahoo.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:56 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] U S 51 - Memphis-Millington

 

 

 

 

 

> I've been tracing the old alignment between Memphis and Millington -

 

> unfortunately not much of it remains.

 

>

 

I've taken a look at the Delorme Atlas CD, and it seems US 51 has been

 

*extensively* realligned throughout its course in Tennessee. At least, in

 

the northern part of the state, the old alignment has been preserved as

 

various state routes.

 

>

 

> > The current alignment in downtown Memphis, is a bit hard to

 

> understand if one is reading maps. It suddenly disappears and

 

> re-appears a few blocks east as Elvis Presley Blvd. We'll try to

 

> figure out the routing. As for N. 2nd Street - as U S 51 it could

 

> well have turned east on what is now E. H. Crump Blvd and run to the

 

> current alignment, Elvis Presley Blvd. Todays Danny Thomas alignment

 

> could also run this way, but I think it may run down Linden. Will

 

> drive it sometime in the next few days and try to figure it out.

 

>

 

I lived in Memphis for about three years back in the early 70's. I wish

 

I could be *certain* about the alignment through downtown, but it is likely

 

it followed 64 and 72 down Union Ave. to Bellevue where it turned right and

 

then straight onto Elvis Presley. As for Linden, US 78 used to follow it

 

downtown. It came into town on Lamar Ave., then turned right on Somerville,

 

swinging left around a curve to follow Linden. This curve left a little

 

triangular park between it and the corner of Linden and Somerville. The

 

park didn't have a name, but because of the winos who used to hang out

 

there, it was known locally as "Derelict Park". (I lived about a block north

 

off Somerville.)

 

 

 

> Memphis appears to be the cross-roads of the South. I've counted no

 

> less than seven U S highways - 51, 61, 64, 70, 72, 78 and 79, plus

 

> several state highways - running thru the city. I'm sure there are

 

> other cities with more, but there can't be many.

 

>

 

US 63 may have at one time also been routed into Memphis to terminate

 

just beyond the end of the bridge. My first time in Memphis was in 1955. I

 

had just finished the first grade and mom took my brother and me to visit

 

out aunt and uncle in Corinth, MS. They, in turn, took us to Memphis, and

 

made sure we crossed over the fairly new Memphis-Arkansas bridge for our

 

first view of Old Man River. I remember it quite well! During the 70's, I

 

found out a little bit about the bridge it replaced--the Harihan Bridge.

 

This bridge is still around and is used for railroad traffic. But at one

 

time, it was also the only auto bridge across the Mississippi at Memphis.

 

The roadbed ran on either side of the truss. Must have been a nerve

 

wracking experience driving across while a train was coming through:)

 

 

 

> I will post the pictures I've taken of this section, plus the ones

 

> in the city, when I get back to New England the end of this month.

 

>

 

> Happy traveling one and all.

 

>

 

> Hudsonly,

 

> Alex B

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

Thanks for bringing up some old memories!

 

 

 

Have a safe trip home,

 

 

 

BabyBoomerBob

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Guest Bob Reynolds

I've managed to find a 1973 vintage snaphot of the Harihan

 

Bridge, the only auto bridge crossing the Mississippi at Memphis

 

before the early '50s and placed it in my photo file <BabyBoomerBob>.

 

 

 

I was standing in the eastbound lane on the Tennessee side.

 

The metal framework for the roadbed is clearly visible, even though

 

the actual roadbed was taken up years ago.

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Wow that's cool! Naturally the race fan in me, I zoomed right into the pagoda

 

at the speedway. I like how they are able to overlay street graphics too. . .

 

 

 

Here's one I use. Recently traced a former trolley route near my home. Any

 

rail nuts in the group? Looking for info on the Princeton Traction Company of

 

Trenton, NJ area. . . http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/default.aspx

 

 

 

Anywho, this is great fun. You can't see garbage cans on the curb, but I can

 

spot the umbrella open on the picnic table!

 

 

 

....Chris

 

 

 

Just Think!

 

http://www.geocities.com/stoneynb/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, roadmaven@a... wrote:

 

> Hi folks....First let me preface this note by saying it's not for everyone.

 

> You may find it interesting if you're into old road alignments & such.

 

>

 

> Recently I was doing some research on my city/county's website to find

 

some

 

> info on zoning and property line info for a garage I'll hopefully have in my

 

> backyard in the next couple of years. They have this very cool "General

 

Data

 

> Viewer" that shows various politcal maps, zoning maps, transportation

 

maps, and

 

> aerial photography. The aerial photos are amazing. There are various sets

 

of

 

> photos (covering the entire county, ie, Indianapolis) that range in dates from

 

> 1937 through 2003. I checked out the 2003 photos tonight (recently added

 

to

 

> their photo lineup) and the detail is incredible. I zoomed in on my house and

 

it

 

> must've been taken on a Friday since I can see my trash cans sitting at the

 

> curb!

 

>

 

> I've found this site extremely valuable in doing research on old highway

 

> alignments through Indianapolis, mainly some sections of US 40/National

 

Road on

 

> the west side of town. I've also had a couple of old postcards of an

 

> "Emerichsville Bridge", which crossed the White River somewhere in

 

Indianapolis in the

 

> early 20th century. Unfortunately the postcards never showed exactly

 

where it

 

> was. But thanks to research on the map series from 1937 & 1956, I located

 

where

 

> the bridge crossed, which was about 5 minutes east of me.

 

>

 

> So you folks who live in a major metro area might want to check your own

 

> city/county's websites to see if they offer a similar feature. It's not only

 

good

 

> for identifying old alignments, but it also identifies where an old motel,

 

> diner, etc. once stood.

 

>

 

> Here's a link to the site:

 

> http://arcimsnt1.indygov.org/prod/GeneralViewer/viewer.htm

 

>

 

> It's a little tricky to use at first, but the key is to use the two

 

> drop-downs on the left side of the screen. That and the zoom feature are

 

your best

 

> friends!

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

>

 

> Pat B.

 

> Speedway, IN

 

> http://roadtripmemories.com

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Guest Chris

Pat I just added a few more "PA Tpk" links to the group page. . .

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/links

 

 

 

I recall visiting a couple of these web sites in the past, but Sherlock just

 

found

 

a bunch more for me. . . Wow!

 

....Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

 

<roadmaven@a...> wrote:

 

> Brian,

 

> Please keep us posted this year when it airs. Also, I really

 

> enjoyed the pictures on your website of the abandoned Pennsylvania

 

> Turnpike section. For us not from the area, how long of a section is

 

> this? How long has it been bypassed? Any other details are welcome

 

> for those of us abandoned roadbed geeks!

 

>

 

> Pat Bremer, AR List Maven

 

> Speedway, IN

 

> http://roadtripmemories

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Butko, Brian A."

 

> <babutko@h...> wrote:

 

> > The video is A PROGRAM ABOUT UNUSUAL BUILDINGS AND OTHER

 

ROADSIDE

 

> STUFF by

 

> > Rick Sebak, PBS producer of shows such as Amusement Parks, Ice

 

> Cream, Flea

 

> > Markets, Shore Things, etc. If all goes according to plan, it will

 

> air on

 

> > PBS in Summer 2004.

 

> >

 

> > We were interviewed at the wigwams talking about "Roadside Giants,"

 

> the

 

> > first book my wife Sarah and I have written together. It's a

 

> > glove-compartment guide to larger-than-life attractions such as

 

> coffee pot

 

> > cafes, muffler men, etc. There are lots of great web sites and a

 

> couple big

 

> > books but we wanted something to inspire people (and kids) to hit

 

> the road

 

> > and actually visit them. It will be out Fall 2005 so we have a few

 

> months to

 

> > add and update in case anyone has a favorite they'd like to tell us

 

> and this

 

> > group about.

 

> >

 

> > Brian

 

> > http://www.brianbutko.com

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Guest Alex Burr

I was sitting here contemplating the snow and ice coming down this

 

morning here on the coast of New England and it came to mind that

 

summer will soon be here (as we say down here in Maine - 4th of July

 

is right around the corner). I know some of you are going to be

 

taking road trips and perhaps I can help.

 

 

 

In rooting around my many boxes of 'stuff' I came across a copy of a

 

1932 ALA Automobile Green Book. Yesterday I bought a 1933 copy, I

 

have a 1921 copy that I purchased from ebay on it's way.

 

 

 

So I got to thinking - as long as you don't go absolutely crazy in

 

your requests I think I can give you interesting routes to follow -

 

see below for Chattanooga to Nashville.

 

 

 

These green books that I have cover the eastern United States -

 

however, somewhere around here I have a 1941 Western States AAA book,

 

so I can cover that area as well (once I remember where I put it).

 

 

 

A sample routing from the 1933 ALA book:

 

 

 

CHATTANOOGA, TENN. TO NASHVILLE - 144.0 Miles.

 

Via Dixie Highway,

 

 

 

Macadam, concrete and gravel.

 

0.0 CHATTANOOGA.* U.S.HWY 41

 

Market and Eleventh Sts. North

 

on Market St.

 

1.2 L on Cherokee Pike.

 

2.2 Str. through tunnel.

 

3.1 Valdeau.Bear L(Str. aheald

 

for Dayton U.S. Hwy 27.)

 

5.1 Fork L on Suck Creek Rd.

 

4.8 Top of Signal Mt.

 

25.2 Victoria. Str. ahead.

 

28.9 Sequachie. Str. ahead.

 

32.7 Jasper. R

 

39.3 Retchell. Str. ahead.

 

55.9 Mont Eagle. Str. ahead.

 

62-9 PelhauL Str. ahead.

 

72.0 Hillsboro,. Str. ahead.

 

80.2 Four corners L

 

80.3 Manchester. Str. at Court House

 

94.4 Beech Grove. Str. ahead.

 

111.5 Bear R on Maney Ave.

 

112.0 L on E. College St.

 

112.2 Murfreesboro. Str. ahead.

 

James K. Polk Hotel

 

128.1 La Vergne. Fork R

 

135.1 Una. Str, ahead,

 

142.5 Fork R on Second Ave.

 

143.0 L on Peabody St.

 

143.1 R on Fourth Ave. South.

 

143.5 L on Broad St.

 

143.6 R on Fifth Ave, South.

 

143.9 L on Union St,

 

144.0 NASHVILLE* Union St. and Capitol Blvd.

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----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Alex Burr" <hester_nec@yahoo.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:54 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Summer 2004 road trips

 

 

 

 

 

>> A sample routing from the 1933 ALA book:

 

>

 

> CHATTANOOGA, TENN. TO NASHVILLE - 144.0 Miles.

 

> Via Dixie Highway,

 

>

 

> Macadam, concrete and gravel.

 

> 0.0 CHATTANOOGA.* U.S.HWY 41

 

> Market and Eleventh Sts. North

 

> on Market St.

 

> 1.2 L on Cherokee Pike.

 

> 2.2 Str. through tunnel.

 

> 3.1 Valdeau.Bear L(Str. aheald

 

> for Dayton U.S. Hwy 27.)

 

> 5.1 Fork L on Suck Creek Rd.

 

> 4.8 Top of Signal Mt.

 

> 25.2 Victoria. Str. ahead.

 

> 28.9 Sequachie. Str. ahead.

 

> 32.7 Jasper. R

 

> 39.3 Retchell. Str. ahead.

 

> 55.9 Mont Eagle. Str. ahead.

 

> 62-9 PelhauL Str. ahead.

 

> 72.0 Hillsboro,. Str. ahead.

 

> 80.2 Four corners L

 

> 80.3 Manchester. Str. at Court House

 

> 94.4 Beech Grove. Str. ahead.

 

> 111.5 Bear R on Maney Ave.

 

> 112.0 L on E. College St.

 

> 112.2 Murfreesboro. Str. ahead.

 

> James K. Polk Hotel

 

> 128.1 La Vergne. Fork R

 

> 135.1 Una. Str, ahead,

 

> 142.5 Fork R on Second Ave.

 

> 143.0 L on Peabody St.

 

> 143.1 R on Fourth Ave. South.

 

> 143.5 L on Broad St.

 

> 143.6 R on Fifth Ave, South.

 

> 143.9 L on Union St,

 

> 144.0 NASHVILLE* Union St. and Capitol Blvd.

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

Alex, I can't help but think you had me in mind when you posted this

 

route:) I can add a few notes to this routing.

 

 

 

Market Street used to be US 27. I don't recall seeing any route numbers

 

the last time I was there, but the DeLorme disc indicates it's now TN 8. It

 

crosses the John Ross Bridge, which I intend to write about some time this

 

spring. The tunnel mentioned is the Stringer's Ridge tunnel, dating from

 

1909.

 

 

 

The L in Valdeau in onto Signal Mountain Blvd. Beyond the new alignment

 

of US 27, it is US 127.

 

 

 

Suck Creek Road is TN 27. The creek got it's name from a rather nasty

 

whirlpool that used to exist at its mouth. Hale's Bar Dam raised the water

 

level enough to eliminate this navigation hazard. The route beyond Powell's

 

Crossroads follows an older alignment of TN 27. Part of it is TN 283, but

 

the majority (the part going through Victoria and Sequatchie) is no longer

 

numbered.

 

 

 

I couldn't find Retchell anywhere, so I'm assuming the route follows US

 

64 west of Jasper, then TN 2 in the direction of Monteagle. The original

 

alignment of 64 up Monteagle Mountain is now the eastbound lane of I-24. 64

 

follows I-24 up the mountain. An alternate route would be the realigned US

 

41 through Whitwell.

 

 

 

 

 

As for my plans for 2004, I've got a few little trips in mind and one

 

good sized vacation. Perhaps the most interesting one is tentatively

 

scheduled for Memorial Day weekend. Susan, Kevin and I plan to drive

 

Zane's Trace, an old pioneer road running from Maysville, KY to Wheeling WV.

 

 

 

Happy trails,

 

 

 

BabyBoomerBob

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In a message dated 2/7/04 9:41:10 PM, theoakman@theriver.com writes:

 

 

 

<< Bill

 

There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.

 

 

 

>>

 

 

 

Dave here, as long as we are going on a detour off topic

 

let me take the wheel for a stretch...

 

 

 

Tom Robbins made an observation in his novel

 

Still Life With Woodpecker:

 

 

 

There are two kinds of people in the world, those who

 

think there are two kinds of people and those who

 

are smarter and know better.

 

 

 

Tom Robbins' first novel, Another Roadside Attraction,

 

is largely set in an abandoned hotdog stand. Tom told

 

me he based it on an actual place that had a gigantic

 

hotdog sign on the roof, this was on I-5/old 99

 

near Conway south of Mt. Vernon WA. The place was

 

gone by the time I went by there in 1969. When I

 

asked him about it he told me that it was real but

 

he moved it across the road in the book, he said

 

as a writer you get to 'play God.'

 

 

 

It's not the same kind of roadside joint like

 

Steinbeck wrote about in The Grapes of Wrath,

 

the chapter with the two truckers and the Okies,

 

the fry cook at his grilll and his wife at the counter.

 

It was excerpted as a short story titled Truckers

 

it ran in the Readers Digest in the 1950s.

 

The chapter opens and closes with the image

 

of constant traffic on US 66.

 

 

 

American Road magazine Vol 1 No II mentions

 

Steinbeck's pickup/camper Rocinante which was

 

the vehicle of Travels With Charlie but now I am

 

wondering if he made some trips on US 66 to gather

 

material for The Grapes of Wrath, it seems highly likely.

 

It would be interesing to know a bit more about this,

 

what vehicle he used and when and where etc.

 

 

 

A guess off the top of my head would be that he

 

drove a Ford or a Chevy but who knows.

 

 

 

The posts about the Bonnie and Clyde bridge remind

 

me of how bankrobber and public evemy number one

 

John Dilinger wrote a letter to Henry Ford telling

 

him that the V-8 Ford was his preferred getaway

 

car to steal since it could usually outrun the police.

 

The story goes that Henry was secretly proud of this

 

and took it as the highest compliment.

 

 

 

Not sure what to make of the remark at the top of this

 

about the two theories to arguing with women, I realize it

 

is meant to be funny but I somehow don't quite get it,

 

it must be too obvious for me. Also there might be

 

be a tinge of disparragement that is similar to

 

the tired out and unjustified remarks about

 

women drivers. Poor driving knows no

 

gender or age group, it's universal

 

along with other forms of ignorance

 

such as using cliches for thinking.

 

 

 

(whatever...)

 

 

 

As I said to someone the other night,

 

why think when you can talk...

 

 

 

one more story, the other day I took the bus

 

from Seattle to Tacoma and near Fife there

 

was the usual evening slowdown. It was fun

 

watching the traffic in the left lane (of four)

 

and few people were holding the wheel in the

 

classic 'ten to two' position favored by the pros,

 

most were using one hand or both hands at twelve,

 

some were on the phone and the driver of a black VW

 

neo-beetle was reading a paperback book but

 

put it down once traffic resumed speed.

 

 

 

so what was the age and gender of the reader/driver?

 

I will leave that for you to assume, it might tell you

 

something about yourself.

 

 

 

Okay here's the positive spin on the two theories to

 

arguing with women neither of which work, this suggests

 

that women are strong and will prevail. The chauvinist

 

cliche is women are illogical and stubborn, I don't buy it.

 

 

 

Did anybody else catch the three highway shows on TV

 

last Wednesday on The History Channel? They were episodes

 

in the Modern Marvels series, an hour each on the Autobahn,

 

the Pacific Coast Highway (whatever that is) and finally

 

the Overseas highway to Key West. For some strange

 

reason thelast two were interrupted by a creepy hour

 

on the infamous Manson family. The highway shows

 

had a fair amount of historical footage and dealt

 

primarily with the engineering aspects. The Autobahn

 

show is a couple years old but the other two seemed

 

to be new so it is likely they will run again. The Autobahn

 

show also had a segment on Montana which used to

 

have a 'reasonable and proper' speed limit.

 

 

 

If anybody has some stories about high speed

 

driving such as in Nevada or Montana, please share.

 

I once hitched a ride in a cab-over Freightliner

 

across eastern Montana and the driver was doing

 

eighty right down the middle of the two lane roads for hours.

 

The driver was an independent owner/operator and he

 

said his tires cost him twentyfive cents per mile,

 

this was in 1971.

 

 

 

happy trails, Dave

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Bob, I just join this group. What route went over the bridge, if any? Can you

 

give me more details?

 

 

 

George

 

 

 

Bob Worley <bwcobra15@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

From today's Dallas Morning News:

 

 

 

History buffs look to save bridge that almost doomed Bonnie and Clyde

 

 

 

08:08 PM CST on Thursday, February 5, 2004

 

By BRIAN ANDERSON / Dallas Web Staff

 

 

 

It’s the Texas bridge that almost did what dozens of lawmen couldn’t – end the

 

crime spree of Bonnie and Clyde.

 

 

 

Now, the historic truss bridge spanning the Salt Fork of the Red River is on the

 

Texas Department of Transportation’s most-wanted list.

 

 

 

“That bridge means a lot to the people of Collingsworth County,” said Darwin

 

Lankford, a bridge engineer with the transportation department’s Childress

 

office. “It means a lot to us, but it’s a liability to us, too.”

 

 

 

State officials say the Panhandle bridge must undergo extensive – and expensive

 

– repairs or it faces demolition. However, residents are forming their own posse

 

to chase down the dollars needed to save the historic span.

 

Read the entire article here:

 

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/389fh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Is anybody taking any road trips on US Highways this year? If so, I would like

 

to know!

 

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Hi Bob,

 

Looking in some notes I had in my files, I had this route from

 

Maysville to Wheeling - wondering if this route corresponds with yours.

 

I have:

 

From Maysville,KY - cross river to Aberdeen,OH - SR 41 to Aberdeen, US

 

50 to Bainbridge, SR 159 to Chillicothe, US 22 to Lancaster, US 40

 

to Zanesville, continue on 40 to Wheeling.

 

 

 

Cheers, Carol Ruth

 

 

 

roustabout wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> As for my plans for 2004, I've got a few little trips in mind and one

 

> good sized vacation. Perhaps the most interesting one is tentatively

 

> scheduled for Memorial Day weekend. Susan, Kevin and I plan to drive

 

> Zane's Trace, an old pioneer road running from Maysville, KY to

 

> Wheeling WV.

 

>

 

> Happy trails,

 

>

 

> BabyBoomerBob

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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----- Original Message -----

 

From: mike shadman

 

 

 

 

 

Is anybody taking any road trips on US Highways this year? If so, I would like

 

to know!

 

(NEW TO THE GROUP)

 

George Kemberling a fervent supporter and a advit student for the US Route

 

Numbered Highway System

 

 

 

I'm also new to the group.....I've been lurking for a week or two.

 

 

 

My wife and I are back-road enthusiasts who travel in a pickup truck and 5th

 

wheel trailer. We are semi-retired and manage to get in two or three 5 to 6 week

 

road trips each year as well as several other shorter trips in the local area

 

(we live in a small national park on the Mexican border in SE Arizona).

 

Our interests include (besides the obvious RVing and camping) historical

 

sites, mountain biking, hiking, and digital photography. My "someday project" is

 

to publish a photographic journal (at least one copy) of all the "world's

 

largest....." sites to be found in this great country of ours.

 

 

 

Any other RVers in this group???

 

 

 

Cya l8r,

 

 

 

Bill

 

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You might want to check out our web site and click on the 66 Caravan icon.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

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P O Box 290066

 

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www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: William Cashman [mailto:theoakman@theriver.com]

 

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:36 PM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Road Trips 2004

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: mike shadman

 

 

 

 

 

Is anybody taking any road trips on US Highways this year? If so, I would

 

like to know!

 

(NEW TO THE GROUP)

 

George Kemberling a fervent supporter and a advit student for the US Route

 

Numbered Highway System

 

 

 

I'm also new to the group.....I've been lurking for a week or two.

 

 

 

My wife and I are back-road enthusiasts who travel in a pickup truck and

 

5th wheel trailer. We are semi-retired and manage to get in two or three 5

 

to 6 week road trips each year as well as several other shorter trips in the

 

local area (we live in a small national park on the Mexican border in SE

 

Arizona).

 

Our interests include (besides the obvious RVing and camping) historical

 

sites, mountain biking, hiking, and digital photography. My "someday

 

project" is to publish a photographic journal (at least one copy) of all the

 

"world's largest....." sites to be found in this great country of ours.

 

 

 

Any other RVers in this group???

 

 

 

Cya l8r,

 

 

 

Bill

 

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Man, oh man....What a great day trip we took today! Cruised the new

 

Monte Carlo up IL 100 from Alton, IL to Grafton and points north to

 

check out the eagles "fishing" on the river. Saw many, many of them

 

and we were just in awe of their grace and beauty. Turned east onto

 

IL 16 and cruised into Jerseyville, then turned west onto IL 109 back

 

into Grafton. Stopped at Sengers' bar on the downtown strip and shot

 

the breeze with a couple of other roadies from St. Charles. They're

 

Harley people but also have a '68 454 Impala and a '37 Chevy with a

 

small block. He (didn't exchange names) rebuilds the cars himself.

 

Turns out we have visited several of the same saloons in Missouri

 

(she bills him as knowing every bar in Missouri) but we were able to

 

tell them about Shady Jack's in Villa Ridge and the Elbow Inn in

 

Devils Elbow. Thoroughly enjoyed shooting the breeze with true

 

roadies.

 

 

 

We stopped at the Chain of Rocks Bridge on the return trip and walked

 

out to the new scenic overlook. That's a very scary place, by the

 

way, and one that I don't really care to walk on. It's a VERY long

 

way to the water. Saw one lone eagle coasting around before we had

 

to give it up in favor of the warm car.....Bliss

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jim" <jim@c...> wrote:

 

> You might want to check out our web site and click on the 66

 

Caravan icon.

 

>

 

 

 

Great web site, Jim!! I've already shared it with friends in Los

 

Angeles that started to bicycle the route a couple of years ago

 

(strong headwinds finally got the best of them and they had to give

 

up the ride at that time).

 

 

 

I've driven the entire route a couple of times back in the day....mid

 

fifties. Born and raised in Chicago and had friends in Tucson and Los

 

Angeles that we drove out to visit.

 

 

 

Cya l8r,

 

 

 

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Hello again friend,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the kind words on our web site but they go to Guy Randall our web

 

master.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you say bicycle as in BIKE? Well this is good timing as I am assisting

 

the Chief of the Moscow Police Academy and a few of his friends ride from

 

NYC to Chicago to LA. They are planning on taking 6 to 8 weeks for the

 

entire trip. Would you pass this on to your bicycle friends? We need some

 

assistance and support.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way Dmitry is doing research and is going to write a book on the

 

Bunion Run of 1928. This is the first time I have mentioned it to anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What area do you live in and do you plan on traveling the road any time

 

soon? Being that you are now a roadie we have to teach you the secret

 

handshake. HA! HA! Which by the way is a hug.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: theoakman85615 [mailto:theoakman@theriver.com]

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Road Trips 2004

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jim" <jim@c...> wrote:

 

 

 

> You might want to check out our web site and click on the 66

 

 

 

Caravan icon.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great web site, Jim!! I've already shared it with friends in Los

 

 

 

Angeles that started to bicycle the route a couple of years ago

 

 

 

(strong headwinds finally got the best of them and they had to give

 

 

 

up the ride at that time).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've driven the entire route a couple of times back in the day....mid

 

 

 

fifties. Born and raised in Chicago and had friends in Tucson and Los

 

 

 

Angeles that we drove out to visit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cya l8r,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, CAR <2lanetravlr20@v...> wrote:

 

> Hi Bob,

 

> Looking in some notes I had in my files, I had this route from

 

> Maysville to Wheeling - wondering if this route corresponds with

 

yours.

 

> I have:

 

> From Maysville,KY - cross river to Aberdeen,OH - SR 41 to

 

Aberdeen, US

 

> 50 to Bainbridge, SR 159 to Chillicothe, US 22 to Lancaster, US 40

 

> to Zanesville, continue on 40 to Wheeling.

 

>

 

> Cheers, Carol Ruth

 

>

 

>

 

That's the one! Except for one short stretch between New

 

Concord and Zanesville where the National Road didn't follow Zane's

 

Trace. This stretch is drivable, except for requiring a detour

 

around the Zanesville Airport. A little research on the DeLorme

 

atlas CD located the stretch quite readily.

 

 

 

Happy Trails,

 

 

 

BabyBoomerBob

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Three college friends of mine rode bicycles from Washingto to New York City.

 

They wound up riding to Key West from Miami and the Overseas Highway

 

was by far the scariest and most dangerous part of the trip.

 

due to the constant high speed traffic and no shoulders.

 

There were lots of dump trucks too, maybe from

 

highway construction I am guessing.

 

 

 

They got from NYC to Miami via a drive-away car, the Pulaski Skyway

 

entering New Jersey from the Holland Tunnel made an impression,

 

enough to tell about it when they got back.

 

 

 

They stayed in Miami a few months to earn money and get off the

 

road so they got jobs in a KMart stockroom. They were impressed

 

with the amount of mouthwash that moved through there.

 

One of the duties was after the closed go get a BB gun from

 

the sporting goods section and try to pick off the canaries

 

that escaped from the pet section and had the run of the store

 

fouling the merchandise.

 

 

 

They finally came back by Greyhound, all in all quite a road trip.

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( Sorry, this is the best I can come up with at the present.)

 

 

 

UniRoyal was U,S. Rubber company before changing the name.

 

http://www.scripophily.net/fisrubcom19.html

 

 

 

US Tire was a subsidiary of US Rubber Company

 

"The two lowest floors originally provided retail space for the company's

 

subsidiary, the United States Tire Company, while U.S. Rubber occupied eight of

 

the office stories. "

 

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=115772

 

 

 

1916 Newspaper ad

 

http://www.paperpit.com/inventorydetail.asp?number=y9046

 

 

 

A 1911 ad telling about their new Service Bureau at 1707 Broadway, NY

 

http://shop.vendio.com/baylor45/item/602510904/index.html

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.fulco.lib.in.us/Tombaugh/Fulton.../Handbook%20Roc

 

hester.htm

 

GIVES LOCAL HISTORY

 

Workmen were busy Wednesday putting up a sign for the United States Tire Company

 

on the cement road about a mile and a half east of Rochester. The sign is about

 

30 by 50 and looks like an open page of American history book. On one side is an

 

advertisement of United States Tires and on the other side it says< "Rochester

 

was once the hunting grounds of the Pottawattomie Indians. A bold and warlike

 

tribe who for many years entertained a hostile attitude toward the white

 

pioneers of Indiana." A similar sign on the Michigan road between here and

 

Logansport says that, "Rochester was named after Nathaniel Rochester, a

 

commissary general in the United States Army in the Revolutionary War."

 

[Rochester Sentinel, Friday, July 23, 1920]

 

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Greetings All!

 

 

 

While exploring an old abandoned Katy Railroad line the other day,

 

and I came across a vintage porcelain steel sign mostly buried under

 

the dirt. After unearthing the heavy beast I discovered it was a 4

 

foot "United States Tire Company" sign. I've searched the internet

 

hopelessly for info on that company. Cannot find a single bit of

 

history except two folks selling a magazine ad for that company from

 

magazines dating in 1914 and 1917. (At least the company was a fairly

 

old one!) That company also used the name "U.S. Tire Co.". Does

 

anyone here know what years this tire company existed? Let me know.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

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Tidbits:

 

* US Tire was a subsidiary of US Rubber

 

(http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/lpc/html/desi...maries/u_s_rubb

 

er.html)

 

* US Rubber became UniRoyal in 1967.

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, big_ugly_mich@y... wrote:

 

> If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, that's the original name for

 

> Uniroyal tires.

 

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> I'm basing that on the commercial where the hand came out of the

 

tire

 

> and grabbed hold of the road surface.

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...>

 

> wrote:

 

> > Greetings All!

 

> >

 

> > While exploring an old abandoned Katy Railroad line the other

 

day,

 

> > and I came across a vintage porcelain steel sign mostly buried

 

> under

 

> > the dirt. After unearthing the heavy beast I discovered it was a

 

4

 

> > foot "United States Tire Company" sign. I've searched the

 

internet

 

> > hopelessly for info on that company. Cannot find a single bit of

 

> > history except two folks selling a magazine ad for that company

 

> from

 

> > magazines dating in 1914 and 1917. (At least the company was a

 

> fairly

 

> > old one!) That company also used the name "U.S. Tire Co.". Does

 

> > anyone here know what years this tire company existed? Let me

 

know.

 

> > Thanks!

 

> >

 

> > God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

> >

 

> > the landrunner

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I have absolutely no idea how I did what I did...I am amazed I havent pushed

 

a button on this box of microchips and blown up something...Tsingtao, Kip

 

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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:35 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] ROAD TRIP!

 

 

 

 

 

> Interesting Kip - I note the date on your email as 6

 

> April - isn't that tomorrow??? How'd you do that???

 

>

 

> That said, I checked the TV listings for both Monday

 

> and Tuesday nites and "Road Trip" is not listed, at

 

> least in this area of New England. What is listed, is

 

> John Rastenberers "Made In America" - which is a very

 

> good program.

 

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> > Trip" at 9:00 p.m....I think it is a continuing

 

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