Guest cruisers992000 Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 This message is to inform you of a new organization to promote travel on this historic highway. If you are interested in joining us in this endeavor please contact me at usroute20@msn.com or go to our web site www.usroute20.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 The book was still avalilable as of a few months ago...it costs something like $27.00; it is hardback, nice pictures, excellent read...has his thoughts on the plants/flowers/trees he sees as he passes through, which you don't see as often in travelogues as you should...Tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "rlb0267" <rlb0267@yahoo.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-50: THE LONELIEST ROAD > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> > wrote: > > A great trip across U S 50 is Wulf Berg's journey. > > And, yes, he wrote a book about it. Neat thing about > > Wulf's book is you can read a chapter a day and it's > > like driving it yourself. I'm not sure if copies are > > still available, but his web site is: > > > > http://www.route50.com/ > > > > Hudsonly, > > Alex B > > I haven't read Berg's book yet, but I keep meaning to get it. (His > web site's apparently the only place you can order it.) For those who > haven't peeked yet, you can see state-by-state excerpts of his > travelogue on his web site. > > I also haven't read the following title yet, but this discussion > finally prompted me to order it from Amazon before it's too late > because I can't find it anywhere else. > > Lonely Is The Road - U.S. 50: A Journey Across The Heartland > By Wendell Trogdon, et al > > I did see one of Trogdon's other books about Indiana byways in the > regional section at a local book store recently, and it looked > intriguing. Didn't spend the money for it though, because it really > wasn't my specific topic of interest. > > I have read the following title, published in 1993. (Someone > mentioned this book in a prior thread months ago but got the title > wrong.) > > Highway 50: Ain't That America > By Jim Lilliefors > > It's billed in the same genre as Blue Highways and Travels with > Charley. It's a mixture of trip log and the author's personal > discovery. I thought it was interesting, but I'm biased with a > personal interest in Route 50, so I'm guessing others might judge it > as a little weak, not quite in the same league as the aforementioned > books. If you're gonna read it, I'd say try finding it at your local > library first, rather than springing for it. (Won't the author be > thrilled at that suggestion!) See also http://www.fulcrum- > books.com/html/highway_50.html for details. > > I once stumbled across a German web page (ran it through a garbled > web-based translation) that depicted a photo book of the German > author's U.S. 50 trip across America. Now I can't find the page, but > maybe I've got it logged somewhere. I'd love to have a copy of that. > > Rick > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shellee Graham Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I don't know about y'all, but I'm sending in $5 to help move that cool neon sign. Can't afford much, but I'll do what I can... Shellee Graham StL TFA/Save the Sign c/o Tulsa Foundation for Architecture 2210-R S. Main St. Tulsa, OK 74114. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glenn Adams Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Nevada uses the "lonliest road" designation as a tourism boost to rural areas in great economic need. You can get a "lonliest road" survival kit at some of the visitor centers. It has maps and a card you get stamped in varous towns along US 50 for a survival T-shirt. There's also an extraterrestial kit for those who drive Nevada 375, the "Extraterrestial Highway" which runs just north of the famous Area 51. Glenn Adams gfa77@earthlink.net www.lasvegasregion.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven@aol.com Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Hi all....We've had the fortune of attending the last two Route 66 festivals in Springfield, though we've only spent one night at each. In Tulsa, however, we're arriving Thursday afternoon and staying until late Sunday morning. Do any of you folks attending know of anything going on during the evening hours for entertainment and/or group gatherings on Thursday and Saturday nights? We're planning on doing the Steinbeck Awards Friday, so we've got that night booked. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Pat B. Speedway, IN http://roadtripmemories.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest laurelrk66@aol.com Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Ron beat me to the punch in answering Pat's question about evening entertainment at the Tulsa Festival. I just want to add that the Thursday night Asleep at the Wheel concert at Cain's Ballroom is NOT to be missed. Veteran Route 66 roadies will probably already know that the group does one of the best and most well-known rendition of Bobby Troup's "Get Your Kicks on Route 66" song. It's awesome! This is really an opportunity to be present at a history-making concert. Get your tickets early!! Laurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron McCoy Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, roadmaven@a... wrote: > Do > any of you folks attending know of anything going on during the evening hours > for entertainment and/or group gatherings on Thursday and Saturday nights? We're > planning on doing the Steinbeck Awards Friday, so we've got that night > booked. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Pat, The group Asleep at the Wheel is performing at historic Cain's Ballroom on Thursday night of the Festival. On Friday will be BR549 at Cain's. Not sure about Sat. yet. You can request more info or reserve tickets at the Cain's website [http://www.cainsballroom.com]. It wouldn't hurt to get tickets early since Cain's will be a popular spot for locals during the Festival because of it's recent rennovations. BTW, Cain's is right in the heart of the main festival area. We also will have two free street stages with entertaiment all during festival hours. Ron http://tulsa66festival.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Laurel, Thanks for the cheerful words about American Road. It is good to get feedback so we know what we're doing well and what needs improvement. Apparently the postmark date on bulk shipments to retailers was May 6th. It was supposed to be April 30, so this helps explain why subscriber copies have not yet reached mailboxes. Hopefully this will happen any day now. Please be patient, subscribers! Thanks again. Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hi Everybody, I am proud to announce that your friend and mine, Mr. Michael Wallis, will be honored at a June 13th dinner and reception at the Gilcrease Museum in Tulsa for his recent donation to the Oklahoma State University - Tulsa Library of the research notes and materials for all of this published books. It is open to the public, however reservations are required. All of Michael's friends and historic highway enthusiasts everywhere are welcome to join him as he receives this tribute for choosing OSU-Tulsa to be the keeper of these valuable historical documents. So if you will be in the area, plan to attend! You will need to RSVP by June 5th to 918-594-8133. The Gilcrease Museum is located at 1400 N. Gilcrease Museum Rd. in Tulsa. The dress code will be business attire. Thanks. Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butko, Brian A. Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 I've added a web page that gives current weather for 12 towns along the Lincoln Highway: http://www.brianbutko.com/lh.gr.weather.html Sorry to hear of the weather tragedies in other parts of the country. As I write, the weather along the Lincoln is almost unanimously mid-50s and calm. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest George Ashburn Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hi I'm a new member. I was always one who liked to take the alternate or scenic route to get somewhere if I had time. I like going through the little town instead of bypassing them. I was also (for some strange reason) fascinated by old gas stations as a kid.(I turn 40 in October to give you an idea of my age group.) ===== George Ashburn - http://www.geocities.com/jamdawg1 (It's not done yet, but what the heck.) http://www.geocities.com/jamdawg1/bodybuilding.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lulupic66@aol.com Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 HI there! Welcome aboard even tho it's a little late. There are several groups at Yahoo that you might be interested in. There are 2 that are geared to 66, one to The Lincoln Highway, Roadside America and Roadgeeks. You might want to check into these groups as there is a vast knowledge amongst these people and they might have an answer to your questions, Lulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Greetings All! I thought this may be of great interest to us roadies. Fellow photographer associate Troy Pavia has just released the long awaited Lost America book! Troy is an excellent photographer and I'm very sure that everyone will enjoy having this book in their book collection. Oh Yeah! Yes, there are some great shots along Route 66, as well as the Lincoln Highway and other two lane highways! You can email Troy pavia at: <paiva@d...> When you contact him, please remind him that Ken "the landrunner" sent ya! Thanks Everyone! God Bless and Enjoy! Here is his book announcement: Greetings from Lost America! <http://www.lostamerica.com/lostframe.html> Yes, it really is true, the Lost America book is now available. It's available at Amazon right now for only $14. How do those guys stay in business? That's the best price I can find, so if I were you, that's where I'd buy it. You can also get it plenty of other places on line as well. Follow the direct links below to buy it: Amazon.com Barnes and Noble Motorbooks International I am also selling a limited number of signed copies through this website. Check out the site more information. <http://www.lostamerica.com/lostframe.html> Those of you that pre-ordered it should be receiving yours in a matter of days. It ought to be in most major book stores across the country by 6/20. Check the automotive or the photo sections. Some background for those that don't already know, the book is a 9x9, 128 page mass-market softcover retailing for $20. It has 106 color photos and 39 black and whites. The photos (and chapter heading illustrations) are all my original work, with a few historical images thrown in as well. About half of these images do not appear on this website. The people that have seen it already have been knocked out by it. I also wrote essays covering the life and death of the Salton Sea, the lure of Junkyards and the rise and fall of the Drive In culture in America. A preview of the introductory chapter, "Where the Lanes are Wide" can be found on my page "The Story". The book clocks in at about 12,000 words, so it's a good read, along with being a "purty pichur" book. I've worked very hard on this project for the last 12 years and it's incredibly thrilling to see it come to fruition. I sincerely hope you buy and enjoy it. Seems like a fitting time for yet another Lost America website update while I have your attention. <http://www.lostamerica.com/lostframe.html> The update is packed with new night work of relics shot along California's abandoned Route 66 and locations in Utah like the WWII era Wendover Air Force Base. Good stuff, hope you like it. Naturally, the links page is also updated with a slew of new sites too. Thanks for continuing to visit the site and supporting the Lost America way of life. Shiny side up! Troy Paiva 6/11/03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roamndav Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 For any of you that will be mortgaging your children's inheritance and actually traveling this summer, I invite you to peruse my radically revised and updated Highway 80 Texas driving directions! I had the opportunity to make it as far east as Abilene a few weeks back, and have incorporated these notes into the webpages. These notes were bounced against detailed 1936-41 and 1961 county maps and Mapquest to ensure that I was as accurate as possible. I really feel that I have probably 85-90% of the old road nailed down in western Texas. Though there aren't as many trading posts and vintage cafes as our beloved `Mother Road', if you're passing that way, drop off the interstate for awhile. Please visit bygonebyways.com and steer yourself to the Texas 80 pages, or here is a direct link: http://bygonebyways.com/texas_80.htm Hope you enjoy… Cheers, Jeff in Tucson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R. Droz Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 We are here because we love the drive. The drive of America is not just Interstates and the big cities. Route 66 is not just about Chicago, St. Louis, and Los Angeles. Double Six is Bloomington, Rolla, Hydro, Vega, Tucumcari, Winslow, and Amboy. My own thought on 66- Sign as much as possible locally, get each state to save its part thru enlightened self-interest. If that means painting the shield on telephone poles and on the pavement, hopefully it will be followable by Joe Lunchbucket, seeker of tourist traps. -- ___________________________________________________________ Happy Motoring! _._._._.____~__ Robert V. Droz ( us98@earthlink.net ) [____________][___ U.S. Highways : From US 1 to (US 830) [________/____[_|__ http://www.us-highways.com/ ()() ()() () Route Logs - Standard Oil - Highway Makeover - Pics - Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 G'evenin' Jim, Glad we're good friends. The sports analogy has 66 bottled up. Tight. Almost like todays sports drink commercials on high speed cable TV. Prefab. Predetermined. Upon a trophey room shelf, the Mother Road's jersey lies. Sounds like just what it sounds like. A retired Route 66. Haven't we both previously stated to folks that 66 is an endless adventure. Of a lifetime. Why contradict that dream now? God Bless and Happy Paved Roads and Dirt Two Track Trails. the landrunner, with the lower case l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fred M. Cain Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 John, Very informative, enlightening and candid remarks! I don't profess to be any kind of an expert or anything, but I could pass on the info that I received from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA). It comes through Mr. Richard Weingroff. Here it goes: Or Nation has three (3) main federal highway systems. As you correctly pointed out, all that is meant by the term "federal" is that these systems are eligible for federal aid. The FHWA has some influence by virtue of the fact that they have some control over the purse strings. But the actual physical infrastructure is owned, managed and maintained by the individual *STATE* highway departments. The three systems are as follows: 1). The Eisenhower Intersate System (formerly the National Interstate and Defense Highway System). It dates from 1956 and has its own numbering system. 2). The National Highway System. (NHS). It dates from the early 1990's I think. I don't have the exact year in from of me. It includes all of the Interstate System and certain other key routes that are considered to be of national importance. Unlike the Interstate System, provisions were left whereby many miles of the NHS could remain two-lane. Also unlike the Interstate System, the NHS does not have its own unique numbering system but instead employs existing Interstate, state, U.S. and even county numbering systems. 3). Federal Aid ("STP") routes. This also dates to the early '90's when it replaced the older system of Federal Aid Primary and Federal Aid Secondary Routes (FAP & FAS). These roads are not considered as important as NHS roads but are still considered important enough for some federal aid. That's basically it. So where do U.S. Highways enter the picture? According to Weingroff, the U.S. Numbered Highway System is not really a "highway system" at all, but rather a system of grid-like numbered routings designed to facilitate state-to-state travel. According to Weingroff, the familiar Interstate Highway shield represents a certain kind of a safe highway built to certain standards but the black and white U.S. shield represents a routing. Those are close to his exact words. The FHWA has nothing to do with the management of the U.S. Numbering system. It is strictly a creature of AASHTO. Here's where it gets confusing. U.S. Numbered routings can be routed over any three of the above mentioned "federal highways". Or they can be routed over any state highway system that does not belong to one of those three groups. I mentioned U.S. 11 before. What I meant by this example is that a U.S. Route like 11 that runs alongside an interstate is no longer considered "primary" by the state DOT's or the FHWA. It might not be either in the NHS or the STP systems. It's just a secondary state highway that still carries the U.S. Numbered routing. So there is no pressure from anybody to "upgrade" it into a big, modern highway. Of course, there are undoubtly shorter portions of U.S. 11 that are STP or even NHS roadways due to the demands of state and local traffic patterns. All the information I've tried to cite above is info that is readily available to the public at large. I urge any interested party to double-check my facts lest I misunderstood something or explained something badly. -Fred M. Cain --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "John Wm. Ridge" <yttrailman@y...> wrote: > Friends, > > Fred M. Cain very recently wrote: > -------------------------- > ". . . people have to understand completely what U.S. Certification is > first. They don't. I'm sure of than. . .. The U.S. Numbered Route System is > NOT a "federal" Highway System. Old U.S. 66 in its heyday *WAS* a federal > highway (Federal Aid Primary). But Old, still certified U.S. 11 running > alongside an Interstate Highway is NOT. It's a secondary road with a U.S. > Route designtion." > -------------------------- > > I agree that, as students of American roads, we need to understand, > authoritatively, what such terms as "certification," federal highway," and > "secondary" mean. I would like to have the definitions in useful, everyday > language. Let me throw out my working definitions and ideas for your > corrections and additions. > > My understandings are: > > A federal highway is a highway built and maintained by the federal > government. They are few. The National Pike (in its original form) is > probably the purest example of a federal highway. Can we include military > roads and forest roads as federal highways? > > A federal highway system, as sought by many in the late teens and early > 20's, would have been a collection of federal highways interlacing the > states. It was never created. Instead, we opted for federal aid to the > states to build and maintain the interstate (small i) highways. > > In a cooperative effort, the states and the feds designed the US designated > route system, creating routes called US 51, etc. The roads, however, > were/are built and maintained by the states. Federal aid was/is available > for the states, but I am not familiar with the "rules" for apportioning or > making use of those funds. Nor am I familiar with what control the feds > have over state spending and routing decisions for US numbered routes. Any > help out there in the group? > > I have observed the use of the term "federal highway," even before the US > numbering program existed, being used to mean that the road was build with > federal aid. Roads using federal aid are not federal highways in the sense > expressed in my definition, above. Roads build with some federal aid monies > given to the states should properly be referred to as federal aid highways, > not federal highways. This ambiguity demands a careful reading of both > current and historic materials. I think that Cain's statement "Old U.S. 66 > in its heyday *WAS* a federal highway (Federal Aid Primary)" gets to the > heart of this confusion. US 66 was never a federal highway, but was a > federal aid highway, as, apparently, were all US numbered routes. > > I do not understand Cain's remark "But Old [uS 66], still certified [as] > U.S. 11 running alongside an Interstate Highway is NOT." It is not a > federal highway, of course (none are), but it certainly must be a federal > aid road? How might it differ from any other US numbered route? > > I still have to guess what "certified" or "commissioned" means. I assume > that AASHTO has simply said that the route is an active US number- bearing > route on which federal aid can be spent by the state, if desired. > > I have an intuitive understanding for the meanings of secondary and > primary, but not a technical understanding. Again, can anyone help out > here? Cain's remark that " . . . U.S. 11 running alongside an Interstate > Highway is NOT [a federal road or federal aid road.] It's a secondary road > with a U.S. Route designation" is not meaningful to me. Especially in the > old days, some US numbered routes were out-of-the-way badly maintained > roads well worth the "secondary" designation but they were interstate > (small i) routes and, I assume but do not know, eligible to have federal > aid money spent on them. > > If this is of any interest to you, please help out on some of these > definitions and facts. > > John > > > John Ridge, President > Yellowstone Trail Association > www.yellowstonetrail.org > jridge@y... > 715-834-5992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Worley Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Pat, I would love to get a teardrop trailer!! There was a documentary on the History Channel or Discovery the other night on teardrops that really piqued my interest. Only problem is: I would in it by myself (or with my dogs). My wife Anneliese would hardly stay in a Motel 6, much less a teardrop. Ya'll have fun, and let me know how the teardrop shopping goes. That would look so cool behind a corvair convertible (or a Mustang convertible, in my case ) Bob Worley Cedar Hill, Texas --- "Pat B." <roadmaven@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks Kip...I was trying to figure out where to get that stuff! > We've been meaning to head up to Wisconsin anyway to take a look at > a place that manufactures teardrop trailers. Good way to kill two > birds and maybe even a third if we head through Wisconsin's premier > tourist trap that is Wisconsin Dells. > > Pat B. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Here's an update on Brain McKay and his 1930 Nash in Albuquerque. Please post any 1930 Nash sightings, and if you have contacts in eastern New Mexico, Arizona and California, please let them know that Brian is heading their way. Brian's trip report has been updated and has pictures of his Nash at the Route 66 Diner. http://www.nashcarclub.org/b_mckay2.html Thanks, Helen ------------------------------------------------------------ Received from Jack Kroehnke, a Nash Car Club member in New Mexico. We did dinner about 8 o'clock (June 30, 2004) but it turned out the easiest way to do it was back to the 66 Diner (and it was on the house!). His problem mirrored part of the Santa Rosa breakdown -- loss of oil pressure. Apparently a screen in the filtering system dropped out of place and some junk got into the line. The Wal-Mart automotive guy claimed he couldn't match the filter on his computer; we drove to an Auto Zone about a mile and a half away and the kid behind the counter punched a few keys, handed Brian a slip of paper and said "Both of these are on that shelf in the back corner." Brian bought two of the more expensive ones. He's at the ABQ library right now (10:30 MDT or so, July 1, 2004) sending Jim Bracewell an e-mail, maybe you too. He's got a photo shoot, I think with Johnnie, at noonish at the 66 Casino a few miles west of town, then he's off to Grants, and Gallup tomorrow. He said something about a gathering in Flagstaff over the weekend, which should be doable, given no more breakdowns, but beyond that is anybody's guess. I suspect you're not going to get any hard dates and times more than maybe 36 hours in advance on any arrival-departure information. Sure enjoyed him while it lasted! And he's having a ball. Jack Oh, if you don't have his e-mail address, it's brians1930nash@yahoo.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hey Bob....I'm not advertising this place, but here's a link to the place we'll look at them..."someday". Can't do anything til I get a garage built...which would then allow me to get that convertible Corvair. :-) http://home.centurytel.net/edevold/ Check out their photo sections. GREAT shots from all over the USA with them along some great roadside attractions. Pat B. Speedway, IN http://roadtripmemories.com > Pat, > > I would love to get a teardrop trailer!! There was a documentary on the > History Channel or Discovery the other night on teardrops that really piqued > my interest. Only problem is: I would in it by myself (or with my dogs). My > wife Anneliese would hardly stay in a Motel 6, much less a teardrop. > > Ya'll have fun, and let me know how the teardrop shopping goes. That would > look so cool behind a corvair convertible (or a Mustang convertible, in my > case ) > > Bob Worley > Cedar Hill, Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jerry McClanahan Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 I must disagree with Mike's statement that Route 66 in the Texas Panhandle is "boring". For example: The extensive remains of portland concrete east of Mclean! The restored Tower Conoco/Udrop inn (with fantastic neon) in Shamrock! The Devil's Rope/Route 66 Museum in McLean, and their restored Phillips 66 station! Delbert and Ruth Trew!!!!! Drivable old dirt 66 between McLean and Alanreed (plus the old gas station in Alanreed)! The Route 66 rest Area with Rte 66 Themed exhibits and play Areas! The driveable remnants of the Jericho Gap! The Giant Cross in Groom! Amarillo Blvds old motels and relics! West 6th St's antique stores, etc! Cadillac Ranch (not on 66 but close enough)! The restored Magnolia station in Vega! The Midpoint Cafe in Adrian! The barking dogs in Glenrio! (tounge in cheek mode) And so much more I've not mentioned (including more wonderful people)! Enjoying Route 66 depends on your state of mind. If you go in expecting a section to be "Boring" it will be. Jerry Message: 6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mike shadman <mike_shadman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Stolen Signs; was Reinventing Route 66 A lot of US Routes are exciting too! 66 is boring in some places like the Texas Panhandle. You can take exciting trips on almost any US Route and have a continous designated highway. 66 isn't, it's small segments here and there. You need a well mark continous route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry McClanahan" <jerrymc66@e...> wrote: > The Midpoint Cafe in Adrian! More specifically for me, Joann Harwell's peanut butter pie at the Midpoint Cafe in Adrian! Mmmmm..... Pat B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Worley Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 --- Jerry McClanahan <jerrymc66@earthlink.net> wrote: > I must disagree with Mike's statement that Route 66 in the Texas Panhandle > is "boring". > Jerry -- thanks for stepping up!! I knew somebody could pull it off and defend our Republic! Take care, Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mike shadman Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Thanks landrunner. Some people think we re-commission people are out to destroy the road. Not so, trying to to keep historical places as well as improving the whole road. I not sure if some people have to much invested in the old road, money wise or time. But I do my research regarding the 66ers. I know there are several reason why some people don't what road as a US Highway and it not total about the road itself. You know I like most of US66 but keeping blind hills,hair pin turns, and no or bad shoulders does sound safe to me as a traveler. The people that are against re-commissioning of 66 don't speak for the majority, I know I have done surveys and have talk to people personally. I don't hate these people at all that against my ideals. I think we all should come to a comprise one day and I wish that some people that respond to me or Fred read the whole e-mail, like you did. Remember be glad that 66 is still apart us, it could easily go by the waste side! God Bless you too! Ken <thelandrunner@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Mike, Seems there are two groups of people. One group who wouldn't want the Mother Road recommisioned back to life as it was, while the other group who wishes to keep it preserved as it is. Now, here's a tricky question which some folk's answer may contradict their very own beliefs: Who would have liked it if Route 66 would have never been decommissioned in the first place? Commissioned or decommissioned, many parts of the old road will eventually need repair. Those repairs will NEVER be in the form of the old road standards of 1926. Take for example, the bypassed Old Highway 66 stretch that Jim Ross lives on. It is literally falling apart at the seams with awful looking chunks of pot hole filling asphalt as a low funded cheapie make shift style of repair. Some folks insist on preservation in this form only. That stretch has been abused by the heavy machinery trucks that pass through there while building the houses along that stretch of road. When the time comes to make a proper repair to that road, I guarantee you that those repairs will destroy the original roadbed anyway. If not, then the Mother Road will eventually return back into the Mother Earth and become a dirt two track trail, as many 66 portions have already experienced. (Of course, the historians of the old pioneer wagon trails would love to see that happen, no doubt). God Bless and Happy Trails. the landrunner <http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, mike shadman <mike_shadman@y...> wrote: > Goodday Jennifer: > You probadly don't know me but I'm the other main person to get old 66 re-commission as a US designated highway. Fred has good thoughts but some of is ideals come from me too. He has his own plan on re- designation, but mine is different from his. We have made great strides with this Initiative. Example: Some 66 associations would like to see it happen, many of the public, some DOT members, and it has been discussed in Congress. A very big Washington lobbyist is interested in the ideal. I read and know where a lot of you are coming from and I agree with most of the 66ers about there suggestions. Preservation,Tourism,Events, and some travel along the old road isn't going to save it total for the businesses and the old road over all. You need some kind of continuous and improved route. My plan in short form is to use old alignments that will not destroy a lot of historic value and use new alignments where it can be feasible. 66ers live fear that re-commissioning 66 is destroy the whole > highway, not so, that why they have meeting on highway Initiatives before they take any action. You say if the Feds get involved that would destroy thing. A lot of your initiatives cost a lot of money, you going need the Federal Government sometime in the future. To many 66ers have a closed mind regarding re-commissioning of 66, they should open up, I include my efforts on preserving the old too! > > George the person Behind the scenes for re-commissioning. > > Jennifer <jabremer66@a...> wrote: > > If what we really want to do is to limit traffic to preverve older > > pieces of pavement for all time, that's a worthy goal. If we want > > to direct MORE traffic onto the old road in order to improve the > > business chances of older businesses like the Boots Motel, then > that > is also a very worthy goal. Trouble is, I can see these two > goals > as being in conflict with each other, and quite frankly, I'm > not > sure how to address that. It seems to me that some kind of a > > compramise will need to be reached. > > > > I cannot see restaurants and motels along with roadside tourist > > places and the chambers of commerce that represent them as backing > a > preservation intiative that doesn't have a good piece of the pie > for > > them. > > > I think you explained yourself pretty well this time Fred. I see > where you're heading with this, and I also see what everyone wants to > avoid too. You're right, Fred. Saving the businesses by increasing > traffic, *could* in turn, lose the roadbed itself. And what is more > important? Personally, I think they both are important, and any plan > that could do *both* would be the best of both worlds. If such a > plan is possible...I think everyone else is right too, to keep the > road preserved as much as possible, but increase traffic with > Historic or Scenic byway designation. > > I think the positive things Fred is trying to accomplish are: > > - Increase awareness for Route 66 for the general public and > hopefully encourage people to travel on Route 66 (rather than the > interstate) and thus, support the businesses along the Route. > Clearly, the businesses on Route 66 would have a tough time surviving > solely from a small group of road warriors like us (of course, > there's a lot more folks than just us traveling the Route!). It would > be better if more people didn't think of road travel as travel on the > monotonous interstate with periodic stops at the generic "travel > plaza" and an overnight stay at the Ramada Inn at the interchange. > - Accomplish increased awareness by Historic or Scenic > designation, increased and consistent signage, directional turns. > > On that note, I see where you (Fred) want to have Route 66 designated > as 66 again. Call it re-commissioned, whatever. But....as others > have mentioned, if you get the federal government involved as a > commissioned highway, you could be subjecting the road (itself) to be > straightened, widened, whatever. We don't want that...just increased > traffic so that the businesses will benefit. Of course, Ken's right, > too...through the course of time, the road will need to be repaired > anyway. But why hasten that process by getting the Federal > government involved? I think that all the suggestions here have been > good ones: get historic 66 on more maps where possible, increase > signage...it's already on some parts of Mapquest and A LOT in > Microsoft Streets and Trips. > > I'm curious though, (and this is a random thought for discussion, not > an actual idea for anyone to do): what steps could be made to promote > a journey on Route 66 and other U.S. Highways from a marketing > standpoint - highway travel as a vacation destination in itself? I > think American Road itself is an entire campaign to do just that, > which is helpful. I know there's associations, American Road and > Route 66 magazine, websites, etc...but they would have to be sought > out by people who are interested in finding out more, and all that > stuff preaches to the choir - we already love traveling old roads, so > we seek out this information. > > I'm wondering how to reach out TO the "general public" on a national > level about the pleasure of two lane road travel? Anytime anyone has > a tourist destination or a product to sell, they advertise – push > their product. Unfortunately, I know marketing firms and ad > campaigns are expensive, but it would be an interesting "theory" > (repeat, I said "theory") if all the associations (and/or Route 66 > businesses all along the Route) could band together, and pool > resources and hire a marketing firm to advertise Route 66 in > magazines, television, radio like any other tourist destination or > product. I know, of course, that you need some serious cash to do > this and with the associations nonprofit, and businesses needing > every dollar they can to survivie, that this isn't possible. But as > I said, it would be an interesting idea to turn on the radio and hear > an ad about Route 66, like you do with all the other tourist > destinations. > > So, I'm next thinking about the tourism departments of the 8 states? > I'm always hearing Michigan commercials, or seeing them on TV! States > are always doing tourism commercials and they have the money to do > it. I'll bet if the states did big ad campaigns and featured Route > 66, that would help businesses. I'm sure Historic and scenic > designation would help that too. The Illinois state travel guide had > a section on Route 66 before. > > Anyway, this post was just some random thoughts I had. I think > there's some good ideas kicking around, but between all the message > boards that this tread is circulating on, it's all talk, no action. > It's interesting reading, but if anything would ever get done, a > group would have to be formed to create a specific plan of action, > assemble a list of contacts, asiign tasks and start implementing some > of these ideas (something like David Knudson's action team). > > Jennifer > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285- 5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD- subscribe@y... 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Guest mike shadman Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 rwarn17588 <> wrote:--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, mike shadman <mike_shadman@y...> wrote: > Goodday Jennifer: > You probadly don't know me but I'm the other main person to get old 66 re-commission as a US designated highway. Fred has good thoughts but some of is ideals come from me too. He has his own plan on re-designation, but mine is different from his. We have made great strides with this Initiative. Example: Some 66 associations would like to see it happen, many of the public, some DOT members, and it has been discussed in Congress. A very big Washington lobbyist is interested in the ideal.> Which 66 associations would like to see it happen? US166. I am in contact with four of the eight, and the key members of each don't want to see it happen. When was it discussed in Congress? US266. That way, I can look it up in the Congressional Record. Who is the lobbyist? US366. Start naming names.US1,US50,US13 <I read and know where a lot of you are coming from and I agree with most of the 66ers about there suggestions. Preservation,Tourism,Events, and some travel along the old road isn't going to save it total for the businesses and the old road over all. You need some kind of continuous and improved route. My plan in short form is to use old alignments that will not destroy a lot of historic value and use new alignments where it can be feasible. 66ers live fear that re-commissioning 66 is destroy the whole > highway, not so, that why they have meeting on highway Initiatives before they take any action. You say if the Feds get involved that would destroy thing. A lot of your initiatives cost a lot of money, you going need the Federal Government sometime in the future. To many 66ers have a closed mind regarding re-commissioning of 66, they should open up, I include my efforts on preserving the old too!> We don't have closed minds. We have carefully considered the pros and cons, and came to the conclusion that it's a harmful plan. Here are the "closed mind" folks who've said on the record to us in writing or personally who oppose recommissioning U.S. 66. There are many more, believe me: -- Michael Taylor of the Route 66 Corridor Act -- Michael Wallis, author -- Jim Ross, author and Route 66 historian -- Jeff Meyer, historian and Steinbeck Award winner -- Missouri Route 66 Association president Tommy Pike -- Texas Route 66 Association president Becky Ransom -- Illinois Route 66 Association president Jeff LaFollette I think these folks have a lot more credibility and expertise than you, Mike. ? Or is that your real name? I've seen you post as George Kemberling. So who are you, really? US33 or US66A Ron Warnick? Tulsa, OK Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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