Guest sascoaz Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Denny, Brian Butko of the SCA Journal pointed out your query to me. I have done a fair amount of research on early AZ highways and can tell you a little about Mr. Small (mostly from an article in the November 1933 issue of Arizona Highways): Charles Churchill Small was born on January 12, 1874 on Cape Cod, Mass. In his early teens he began working on railroad engineering crews in the northeast and later California and the Southwest. He never attended college, but taught himself higher mathematics and engineering through self-study and on-the-job training. The railroads that he worked on or for included the El Paso and Southwestern, Santa Fe, and the Southern Pacific. He began working for the Arizona State Highway Department in 1919 as a locating engineer and in 1928 was promoted to deputy state highway engineer. He died suddenly April 5, 1932 (not sure how - perhaps an accident). His title as 'Father of Arizona's Highways' was given by his engineering coworkers at the time and comes from the role he played in laying out many of the early AZ highways during his years as a locating engineer. He is not particulary well known today - he kept a fairly low profile and was more of a technical-minded implementor, than a high profile leader or visionary as the title might imply. The pull-out and memorial was built by his coworkers shortly after his death. Hope this helps, Erik Berg Phx, AZ --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <mail@d...> wrote: > On AZ 89, a few miles north of Congress, there is a stone walled > overlook. There is a dedication plaque to Charles Churchill Small. > Internet searches on that name have come up empty despite the fact > that the plaque calls him "The father of Arizona highways". > > Can anyone point me to any info on Charles or this structure? It's > merely curiosity but deeply frustrated curiosity:) A picture of the > plaque is at: > http://www.dennygibson.com/ariz092003/day02/ccsmall.jpg > > --Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 > Roads permeate our culture and most of the significant > events in my life involved trips on former US 99 and I-5. I also had significant changes in my life due to a road trip on Route 66...I ted to think that if I spent two weeks at Disney World or on a Carnival cruise, I would have come home, packed up my whole life and my daughter, left the "comfort zone" and moved to the midwest - and found a husband too! > > What I am saying is there is no off-topic when it > comes to roads, virtually everything is fair game. > > Whether something is interesting or not is another thing... Of course, whether something is interesting is not a matter of fact but purely opinion! To explain to you my interest in diners and motels - it's not just where to find the best food or a decent comfortable place to sleep. Of course, I like to have that information so I don't get food poisoning or attacked by critters in the night - but that's not what I find interesting at all! I am interested in the people who run these places or people who go there...as well as the history behind the establishment, as well as the old unique signs and architecture. It's not just the sign or the building; it's also what it represents - a bygone era in road travel. An old diner with a cool sign, that serves up honest food, represents a different era that I was not a part of (I caught the tail end of it perhaps in the early 70's when I was a kid but barely). But for the most part, the era of the Interstates had begun...finding old places that still have flashing lights and neon and that are still run by mom and pop, in some way, to be able to capture the spirit of road trips in the heyday of road travel. Stopping to eat at a huge travel center or staying at a generic boxy hotel which is virtually indistinguishable from one exit to the next, is not interesting at all. That is functional and generic. I enjoy taking pictures of cool old signs and roadside businesses and adding them to my website (see link below)...who would take a picture of a Pilot Travel center of a Holiday Inn Express? (not to single them out!) > > pps pure peanut butter is best by far for those willing > to mix it up, Deaf Smith brand out of Texas used to be good. > I trust we roadies like to 'mix it up' real good as a rule. I love "real" peanut butter...I haven't had any lately, but when I have, I get it at the natural market where they make it on the premises. Now I think I'll have to get some soon and have it with some seedless raspberry preserves! Jennifer Bremer AR List Co-Host http://www.roadtripmemories.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 If you're going to do U.S. 50 in Missouri you might want to do it soon. Today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch includes an article entitled "Senator feels time is right for toll roads here" which says "Estimated tolls (from a study) included a $10 fee for passenger vehicles traveling Highway 50 between Kansas City and St. Louis." Say what? I reread the paragraph and, yes, that's what it says. The article began by outlining proposed tolls for new bridges, for example, and then went on to talk about tolls for I-70 and I-44. Some temporary tolls for new construction are okay, I suppose, although we already pay for our roads via gasoline taxes. Thanks a lot, Senator John Loudon, Republican from Ballwin who is quoted as saying, "What's more beautiful than making people from other places pay for your roads?" Hey, Senator Loudon, what about the people from here who would also be paying? We'll especially remember you at election time....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> wrote: > Hi Walter, > > You might consider U S 50 for a coast to coast trip > - it's largely intact from it's early days. > > Here's a couple of web sites on it: > > http://www.gbcnet.com/ushighways/US50.html > http://www.route50.com/ > > On that last one - the gentlman wrote a book of his > trip across 50. It's a very good book. > > Just an idea from a fellow Scot (my dad's side of > the family came from around Fyvie). > > Have a good one. > > Hudsonly, > Alex B > > > > --- ukroads15 <ukroads@b...> wrote: > > Hi, I hail from Glasgow in Scotland. I have been > > interested in > > travelling the highways & byways of your grand > > country and recently > > subscibed to American Road Magazine. I have driven > > Route 66 twice > > now and also meandered down the Great River Road. My > > next project is > > to drive from Sea to Shining Sea, all the way from > > the East Coast to > > the West Coast. I am thinking Lincoln Highway but am > > very receptive > > to other routes, if members fancy suggesting any. > > Its a pleasure to join your group and I look forward > > to getting to > > know everyone > > Kind Regards from freezing cold Glasgow > > Walter > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 In a message dated 12/10/03 1:13:35 PM, jabremer66@aol.com writes: << in some way, to be able to capture the spirit of road trips in the heyday of road travel. >> and (I caught the tail end of it perhaps in the early 70's when I was a kid but barely). Jennifer wrote more eloquent lines about her love of the great american roadside, good going. The early 70's was about when I (Dave here again) woke from my high school stupor and started to open my eyes again and driving the old roads was my favorite thing to do when traveling. As one who was there let me assure you that you did not miss too much as much was gone already compared to what I remember as a boy in the 50s. The roadside caught my attention of course, how could it not, as I too was trying to capture the spirit of bygone road trips. The remaining older roadside features and landmarks become familiar (and fewer) and I began to realize that the spirit of bygone trips could also be experienced by finding the right stretch of pavement, indeed could even be best experienced. On my trips to college I tried to locate the model for the hot dog stand in Tom Robbins' first novel Another Roadside Attraction but it was already gone, this was in 1970, finally years later Tom told me he did have an actual building in mind, one that had a giant hot dog on the roof, he said he moved it across the road, said you can 'play god' when you are a writer. But here's what I did find, driving that great stretch of US 99 from the Stillaguamish to the Skagit and on up into the Chuckanut Mtns. was the closest I had ever come to taking a trip into the past over miles of cement road from the early 30s. It's a bit more subtle perhaps without anything as obvious as architectural or graphic styles to provide age cues but with practice you can come to recognize the different styles and standards of roadbuilding as they evolved. So it is a big deal for me when I drive a surviving stretch of single-slab cement in regular service, it is equivalent to getting your gas from one of the old tall glass 'visible' manual pumps and when is the last time you did that, they are only used for decoration nowdays. (if anybody knows where there is one in service it would be fun to know) For me to capture the spirit of bygone road travel the most reliable way is to find a stretch of road that has had minimal improvements and drive on it. Usually these are rural segments that have been bypassed and mostly forgotten, strictly local, usually county roads. The deal is that there are so many layers of roadside culture now that it is virtually impossible to roll back the clock when in the built up environment, when you get out in the countryside on a white cement road shining in the sun it can almost be the 20s or 30s again. So I tend to get a bit discouraged when I see the focus shifted to the roadside so often, the roadside probably has a pretty good number of advocates by now. Where were we when we lost significant mileage of early Pacific Hwy in southern WA in the 90s due to destructive realignment. I had no idea this was happening and was horribly shocked to find that many of my favorite miles of road are forever gone. This was no small matter, the amount of remaining vintage Pacific Hwy pavement in WA was reduced considerably and there was not that much already. You can still stop into the famed Mary McCranks 30s era restaurant and cry into your raisin cream pie about it but the cement highway in front her old place has suffered an AC overlay (see below, ed.) for decades now and it's not the same. (I was wrong, it's not even AC, it's just a layer of plain old oil mat) Here's an afterthought to a post a few weeks back, someone was COMPLAINING (imagine that...) about finding latte stands in remote Wyoming, complaining... I find it more than a little ironic that people who enjoy road trips and roadside culture somehow take this view. Maybe they see it as more cultural homogenization. Seems to me the latte stands are in the great roadside tradition and are the latest development in a long lineage that we all enjoy. And guess what, they even put up new colorful builidings designed to catch the eye and make you stop, imagine that. I have seen more than one latte stand in the form of an espresso pot and maybe you have too. So we even have a resurgence of roadside figural architecture here, who woulda thunk it, (me, that's who) And how about the new Jack-in-the-Box that looks quite a bit like that famous New England clam box joint of the 20s. And how about the new MacDonalds with the classic arches only now it's been 'supersized' like it's on steroids. No outside counters but plenty of red and white tile and the classic profile. The purists tend to automatically think 'corporate is bad' and write it all off along with the 'superslab' but here's how it looked from my side of the windshield, when I first saw the giant new McDonalds I laughed out loud, it made my day. The advertising industry has been milking roadside iconography for years to where it is part of our everyday cultural vocabulary and you see it often on teevee and in the stores, this is good. But meanwhile, it keeps getting harder and harder to have an authentic vintage driving experience (if you get what I mean) and if all you can see is the roadside you will have to live in the present pretty much. Oh yeah, took a little trip to the coast a couple months back, we keep returning to the Forks area for forty-some years now and the old Three Rivers Resort is still there at the junction just like always and now the biggest sign you see driving by it is a banner with one word, ESPRESSO, it makes me smile a bit and it is a little bittersweet too, time is funny that way... ps, glossary time: AC overlay--AC is highway industry shorthand for asphaltic concrete, civilians know it as 'blacktop,' it's the hot stinky stuff they roll out everywhere. The white cement pavement is not the only form of concrete, 'blacktop' and what most people call 'concrete' (but is actually cement concrete) are both forms of concrete with different binders. Cement is much more expensive than asphalt but is also much more durable. It is all too typical that most of the great old cement concrete roads now suffer the ignomy of an AC overlay. oil mat--similar to AC but coarser due to the way it is applied, they just spread some gravel and spray it with hot oil, cheapest of paving methods and roughest. AC aka 'blacktop' is mixed in batch plants and trucked to the site and then rolled smooth, oil mat pavement is usually rolled semi-smooth by the traffic. There is nothing like driving on some fresh oil mat and I don't mean that in a positive way, it's a mess. Also there is nothing like riding a bicycle on oil mat that is near the end of its service life, the wheel tracks get supersmooth as the gravel is displaced leaving mostly the oil, whenever I see it like this I have a good idea the county will be out to spread a new layer soon. Tacoma Wa has been applying annual layers of oil mat to some of its arterials for years now and they have refined it to where it is actually not too bad, they now use a thin layer of pea gravel rather than the thicker layer of coarse gravel used on rural roads and the result is not as messy and smoother. I was going to refer to oil mat as the lowest form of pavement which is generally true but we can probably come up with a few lower exceptions one of my favorites is a short driveway near Redmond E of Seattle consisting only of crushed recycled glass, it's really sparkly when you see it from the bike trail but so far I have resisted the temptation to try it out. they used to make clamshell roads in Florida, you could almost consider it another form of cement considering the calcium content. brick paving is probably lower, they gave up on it decades ago and it's only current application is in historical preservation districts. I have noticed a trend toward red paving blocks for crosswalks to differentiate them from the blacktop. It looks like a 90s improvement from industry and government orgs. Some new standards were drawn up is my guess or maybe it's sort of an aesthetic fad, perhaps some insiders could shed some light on this. thanks for all the great posts lately, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hi Gang, I spoke on the phone this morning with both Suzanne and Michael. He is doing fine and expects to be released tomorrow. Apparently, one of the foot wounds was not healing at an acceptable rate, so Michael went to the doc. The doc suspected infection, so Michael checked into the hospital Friday so they could open it up and clean it out. They are confident it will clear up fine this time. His spirits are good. Again, he sends his heartfelt thanks for all the moral support. It is truly appreciated. Merry Christmas, everybody! Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...> wrote: > If you're going to do U.S. 50 in Missouri you might want to do it > soon. Today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch includes an article > entitled "Senator feels time is right for toll roads here" which > says "Estimated tolls (from a study) included a $10 fee for passenger > vehicles traveling Highway 50 between Kansas City and St. Louis." > Say what? I reread the paragraph and, yes, that's what it says. The > article began by outlining proposed tolls for new bridges, for > example, and then went on to talk about tolls for I-70 and I-44. > Some temporary tolls for new construction are okay, I suppose, > although we already pay for our roads via gasoline taxes. Thanks a > lot, Senator John Loudon, Republican from Ballwin who is quoted as > saying, "What's more beautiful than making people from other places > pay for your roads?" Hey, Senator Loudon, what about the people from > here who would also be paying? We'll especially remember you at > election time....Bliss > Don't anticipate toll roads in Missouri anytime soon. From what I've read in a recent article about that very subject, Missouri voters are the ones who have to pass legislation in a referendum for toll roads. The last time it was attempted, 62 percent voted no. Ron Warnick Belleville, IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicole Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hi there Walter! I haven't heard from you in such a long time! How are you?? Anyway.......glad to see you're still around and interested in the road and getting over here to explore!! Any plans on when you may possibly be headed this way?? Keep in touch! Nicole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 > a $10 fee for passenger vehicles traveling Highway 50 > between Kansas City and St. Louis." .......... Here in Michigan I believe we are 48th in the country in getting Federal Highway related tax money back to the state. Why? Well, having recently driven all of US 50 and US 24 through Missouri and Kansas with nary a little bump I believe I have already paid my $10! Michigan has no toll roads and only charges for the Mackinaw Bridge - which is worth it! Our roads are really bad so we need some of that Fed Tax money goin' to MO. Here's an update on the Lincoln Highway Garage situation. I gassed up there last month - if nothing else there is a bunch of memorabilia inside that needs to be saved including a large round "Since 1921" sign, and the red and blue sets of Lincoln Highway Garage letters on the outside. Perhaps the Lincoln Highway Heritage Corridor can get this stuff. A high price for history Preservation of site may be impossible By MIKE HOOVER Dispatch/Sunday News Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - Initial estimates show it will cost an additional $250,000 to incorporate the design of the historic Lincoln Highway Garage and Restaurant into a Turkey Hill Minit Market proposed for York City's east end. That price for historic preservation may prove too costly to undertake the project, initially estimated at $2 million, said Bill Weisser, director of real estate construction for Lancaster-based Turkey Hill. While willing to continue talks with city officials and historic preservationists over the design of the proposed convenience store at 1242 E. Market St., Weisser said there is a limit to what Turkey Hill is willing to do before taking the matter to court or walking away from the project. "For the life of me, I don't know what we can drastically do differently," he said. Weisser agreed during a York City Planning Commission meeting last night to withdraw a request to appear before the city's zoning hearing board Dec. 16. Turkey Hill needs zoning approval to build a 3,200-square-foot structure with 10 gas islands. He also agreed to participate in discussions with city officials, two city planning commissioners and preservationists from Historic York and the Heritage Trust. Little power: He said he is willing to consider some changes to the store's design but the city has little leverage, given the property is not in the historic district, the building is not designated historic, and the plans otherwise meet city building regulations. "From a legal standpoint, they don't have standing to do this but we will try to work with them," Weisser said. Previous discussions have not been productive. Since unveiling the plan to tear down the 82-year-old building, Weisser said he met with historical preservationists who wanted the convenience store incorporated in the existing restaurant and garage. They also wanted the 10 self-service gas islands moved from along East Market Street to the side of the building, which would require building a six-foot-high, 200-foot-long wall, he said. Weisser said the ideas were not practical and would add "significant costs" to the project. Adding restrictions and costly requirements under the guise of a newfound interest in historic preservation is not fair to property owner Lynn Haines, Weisser said. "If you are going to tell me it is not a permitted use, it opens up a legal situation," Weisser said. Historic highway: The Lincoln Highway Garage is a relic from the era when the Lincoln Highway became America's first coast-to-coast road. The Federal Highway Act of 1921 brought $75 million in matching funds to states for highway construction and much of it was used on the Lincoln Highway, which was first conceived in 1912. The 1.53-acre property is owned by Alva D. Haines, the daughter Stewart Lehman, who opened the business in 1921. Alva's son, Lynn Haines, operates the garage. Genevieve Ray, a planning commission member, said besides historic preservation, the city has a responsibility to protect one of the city's "gateways" into town. Weisser replied that it was more like a gateway out of the city because East Market Street is one way heading east. Planning Commission member David Beecher said city officials and historic preservationists have scared off other big investors. He cited recent efforts to build an Eckerd Drug Store in the downtown. Board chairman Fritz Read questioned why the historic preservationists were not at last night's meeting, and why they hadn't spoken up before Turkey Hill came along. "At the 13th hour, for the historic preservationists to come along (and) place some historic value on the property is not fair to the property owner unless they are willing to pay," Read said. -- Reach Mike Hoover at mhoover@yorkdispatch.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Continuing my obsession with Capote's novel regarding the Clutter family of Holcomb, I am wondering about the exact route the killers took from Olathe, KS that terrible day. The book says they traveled through Emporia and later stopped at a restaurant in Great Bend but at that point did they: (a) Go south and then west on 50/56 through Dodge City to Garden City? ( Go west on 156 at Larned, the more direct route? Nothing I've ever read specifies anything except "Route 50." It seems to me that if time was of the essence they would have wanted to take the most direct, quickest route since it's about an 800 mile round trip they drove in a 24 hour period. Am still kinda, sorta thinking of an eventual cruise to Holcomb along their route and would like to get it right. Anybody know any details? Thanks, Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 sure, sometime back in the 70s somebody paid a few thousand dollars at auction for Hitlers' teaspoon....you can go to London and take a Jack the Ripper tour...you can go see where Dillinger was gunned down...you can go prospecting for the graves of various frontier gunslingers...you can even go to Los Angeles and visit the stairway where Laurel and Hardy moved a piano......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 buckle up and take a little tour of the dark underbelly of the american road. the site of the fatal crash of James Dean is a good place to start, if you want the particulars there are no doubt any number of web sites that can inform you. here in Seattle we could visit lots of places like the suburban park or the sorority where the serial killer abducted his victims. The many locations where the another killer left his victims. Just a few blocks away (I'm not sure exactly) the basement window where the gun control advocate was shot, the police have no idea where to go on this one. The railing on the Aurora bridge (99) has been restored where the bus went through a few years ago when the suicidal maniac killed the driver. Flowers appear on the anniversary. Most times when I go by there I don't even remember it any more. How about a Bonnie and Clyde tour, that would make for a swell vacation. Or a Jesse James tour or a Billy the Kid tour or a Charlie Manson tour or..... For something a bit more benign it might be fun to retrace the trip Jelly Roll Morton made near the end of his life. It involved a touring car pulling a trailer through the snow over US 30 in eastern Oregon. He left sunny LA and drove hundreds of hard miles in pursuit of an elusive gig, you could look it up... For years in downtown Seattle you could look up to the sixth floor of a parking garage and see where someone drove their car right through the wall. It landed on an unsuspecting driver waiting for the light. Dad didn't come home that night. The annual highway death toll was up to at least 35,000 by the 1930s and has been at that level ever since. This means approximately one hundred people meet their end every day on our beloved American Roads Statistically you or someone in your immediate family has a one in six chance of being injured or killed in an automobile during their lifetime. Given the reality of this I don't think we need to look very far for reminders of mortality. I just got a post from our moderator saying we should keep things positive. So when you drive by the horrible crash just be glad it wasn't you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 what's not to understand? (it's all part of the road) don't get me started (don't wake me up) Mostly I don't understand why so many are so willing to settle for so little. The Sage of Baltimore said something to the effect that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the american public. People want and need something in the way of diversion, entertainment, amusement, distraction, a way to pass the time. One hundred years ago just before the onslaught of mass media every respecatable middle class home had a piano in the parlor. You had to entertain yourself for the most. Sure you could go down to the Nickelodeon and see the new spectacle "The Great Train Robbery" but if you were at home you were on your own. Nowdays we get Brittney Spears and the like, all commercial brands, all prepackaged for consumption. Maybe it's the weather, I am on a rant today. Why follow the itinerary laid out by Truman Capote when you can go make up your own. That's what I mean when I say people are willing to settle for so little. For years I have heard that the midwest with its myriad small towns is uniformly boring and literally flat with nothing to see for hours and hours and hundreds of humdrum miles. Being contrary by nature I entertained the thought that the popular idea of small town midwest life being dull was uninformed, I wanted to believe that mystery and wonder were there all the time if only you could open your eyes to it. I had the idea of taking a bicycle tour to find out for myself. Most people set out to ride to a specific destination and if the winds happen to be against them that's the way it goes. (one time E of Bismark on the way to Boston it was so bad we were actually pedaling downhill in the lowest gears) My big idea was to take the train to somewhere in the midwest and then take off pedaling downwind wherever that would be, with the extensive grid of roads this would be possible. Then I could find out if the small towns of the midwest were really boring or not. The serendipty factor and the constant tailwind are attractive. After being joined up with three Yahoo highway groups since the start of the year I am starting to wonder if maybe I should revise my opinion and go along with the mainstream in other words boring boring boring as they say (which is a really trite way for me to put it) that's what not to understand ps I got a real kick out of the engine block on the tombstone. that makes for quite the mental picture. There is a cemetary in Kansas where a rich man commissioned marble statues from Italy of him and his family so there they are all sitting around the table under a pergola, this about one hundred years ago, I found it on postcards years ago. pps okay here's the deal, the best discoveries are the ones I have made on my own. Almost every time I visit a location that I have seen before on postcards (the badlands, Mt Rushmore, the Corn Palace etc.) it turns out to be smaller than I had imagined it to be. The only exception I can think of was the Grand Canyon of the Colorado which defies description. There are numerous guidebooks to Route 66 and books telling you where all the kitschy roadside distractions are (the barely disguised subtext is how we can feel superior to bad taste) and mostly that is good, we all need a little help and I am not one of those guys who is too proud to ask directions. (the other day in Olympia I had to ask three people to finally find the Post Office) The trouble is when you follow the book you lose some of the fun, you might as well be on an amusement park ride where you just sit there and take it as it comes. (It was more fun circling around trying to find the PO than it would have been to drive there directly) There used to be a ride with scaled down Model T touring cars and I was annoyed and disgusted that the steering wheels were not for real, they just went round and round, they even had them in the back seat so everyone could 'drive' and I wasn't having any of it. (If we followed the In Cold Blood tour idea further the next steps would be to procure the appropriate weaponry and then go steal the right model car, it's all in the book) So go write your own book and you can tell us all where to go (I know that looks nasty, don't take it toooooooooooo literal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 It's all about the road. What's not to understand? Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Periodically we'll post the guidelines for our list. Kindly review...there'll be a quiz. Because personal views so often differ, please familiarize yourself with our SPEED LIMITS, which set some boundaries and explain the atmosphere we hope to maintain. 1. NO FLAMING! Flaming is any derogatory or insulting remark directed at another list member. This does not necessarily include comments critical of persons outside the list, however, such as reporting actions by those who would destroy roadside landmarks. Just remember that the list is not a battleground for personal arguments. Acts of flaming will generate a reminder. Continued infractions will result in banishment. 2. Try to keep your posts on topic. Off-topic comments should be posted sparingly and labeled OFF-TOPIC. 3. Profanity & off-color jokes are forbidden. 4. Kindly keep your posts road-related and aimed at the group in general rather than one individual. Private email should be used for one-on-one chat. 5. Computers have made us lazy but we ask that you please make a real effort to only include parts of an earlier message pertinent to your response. Simply hitting "reply" wastes space and forces everyone else to scroll through threads that may get quite long. TO POST A NOTE TO THE LIST: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST: -go to the website at www.yahoogroups.com, or -email to AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop us a line! Your AMERICAN ROAD magazine list hosts, Pat & Jennifer Bremer AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Greetings Bliss, You'll love US 54, as with most any other Two Laner. Kansas is famous for the restoration of many of the historical districts in their towns. Take some time to stop at some of the great antique shops and mom and pop places that you'll pass on the way. Funny you mentioned the "In Cold Blood" thriller. Just moments before reading your post, look what I saw on Ebay: <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewIt...53&category =13543> (You may have to copy and paste this long link to your browser if it wraps.) Enjoy your Two Lane trip! --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...> wrote: > Looking for an opinion or two here. We'll be attending the Tucumcari > Roadie thing in July and since Navigator and I will have officially > begun retirement, there is no urgency for our return to the Gateway. > We're going to Tucumcari on '66, of course, but are wondering about > alternate blue highways for the trip back. > > Has anyone cruised U.S. 54 east from Tucumcari, across TX and OK and > into KS? It appears to be a road less traveled, yet one that would > allow us to check out Garden City and Holcomb (the infamous In Cold > Blood adventure). Would like to hear thoughts and/or experiences > regarding this particular highway. We have traveled 54 in MO and > love the way it winds through the Ozarks. Thanks. > > Cruisin', > Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Hi Everybody, Friday night's tornado was a bouncer, which is good in terms of relative damage, but bad in terms of knowing where its going to wreak havoc. I started watching this storm's movement on TV when it was out near Clinton. By the time it got to Yukon it produced a tornado and proceeded to smite the Xerox plant before heading for Bethany. It crossed Lake Overholser and intersected 66 right near the Overholser bridge (no reports on whether the bridge was damaged, but she is a tough old tangle of steel, so most likely not.) This is about a mile from Kathy Anderson's house. I called Kathy and she was okay after hiding out in her closet. It then moved through Warr Acres, about a half mile from my daughter's house. She and family were in the basement with no power but a battery powered radio. I was still tracking it on TV as it crossed I-35 near Frontier City (aimed right for Arcadia) and preparing to hunker down when the Landrunner called to see if I was aware and ready. Then a lightning bolt zapped my power out, so I took my wiener dogs, my flashlight and my cell phone and moved to the guest bathroom in the center of the house. I was on the phone chatting with Shellee Graham in St. Louis when hail started pounding the roof and smacking the windows. My daughter then called on the other phone to let me know the tornado was at Hiwassee and Westminister Rd., placing it 4 miles south of me along the turnpike corridor. I heard the next morning that it had touched down in Wellston, Chandler, and Stroud. Hopefully 66 will now get a breather through the rest of the season. Laurel: Tornadoes normally are only on the ground for less than 30 minutes, unless they are bouncers or among the rare storms like the 1999 F5 that was on the ground for 3 hours. I should also point out that this has been an unusually bad season so far, so please don't think it is like this every year. We have outstanding forecasters and lots of storm chasers here in Oklahoma to keep us informed minute-by-minute as these devils cut their paths. Just keep the TV on and have a safe place to go if one gets within a few miles and is on track for your house. It is good to have a battery powered radio, a cell phone, a good flashlight, candle with matches, your purse or wallet, and a jacket or raincoat in case the worst happens and you end up without a roof over your head. Also have some large pillows, etc. for protection. Two words of caution: 1) take time to get fully dressed first, including shoes, and 2) if a twister is rated as an F4 or (God forbid) and F5, and you don't have a basement, get out of your house and out of the area if there is time. Even a brick house is likely to be scraped clean by an F5 (winds at 300-plus mph), and you don't want to be inside if that happens. Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven@aol.com Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Jim, you sound like you're ready for a break from this stuff. We encountered those storms Saturday afternoon with various tornado warnings. Then we got the "thrill" of being knocked out of our slumber Saturday night by the warning sirens at 11:30pm. Not a good time for many in the midwest. I can just imagine what it must be like for those of you like Laurel who have recently moved to an area where tornadoes are commonplace. Still, the devastation they leave behind is something no one can easily deal with. One of the more memorable tornadoes around central Indiana occurred just this past September. This particular one hit F3 status at several points and was on the ground for an amazing 112 miles from SW Indiana, through the south and east sides of Indianapolis, and finally fizzled about an hour northeast of Indy. The remnants of that one are still visible to this day, in the form of apartment complexes, businesses, and homes that it hit, which are still closed. Never a good topic to talk about, but we need to be aware of how severe they can be, especially while we're out driving the highways where we can be extremely vulnerable. Pat B. Speedway, IN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rt66roadologist@comcast.net Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Hi out there IF ANYBODY STILL HOME AND HEADING FOR Tucumcari for this weekend.Just heard from Bob Gehl from STL who is on the road right now east of Gallup he sent last night in the ElRancho.Family and him flew in to ALBQ.ON Wendsday DROVE WEST TO Holbrookspent the night at the TEEPEE and hade dinner at JOE & Aggie's.Thay got as far west as The Jackrbbit trading post BAD NEW NO MORE CHERRY CIDER.Antonio said that the company that made it was bought by someone and no long makes the mix He has tried to find someone else make it.So end for now a road tradition of Cider at the JackRabbit.All all that are still home and have not left a few notes 1.Have a good time 2.Ask Mike Callens abot Tucumcari falls 3.Look for the beach at SonjonI have a post card of it.Well that it for now.Jeff Meyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rt66roadologist@comcast.net Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Just got from LULU(Lynn Bagdon) ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: Lulupic66@aol.com To: , national66@national66.com, , rt66roadologist@comcast.net, Kathleen7081@attbi.com, , Biker185@aol.com, thelandrunner@hotmail.com, Fred.Zander@BNSF.com Subject: Fwd: [LincolnHighway] Lincoln Highway 2003 Commemorative Patch Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:09:54 EDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 I must have bought some of the last in existence:-) I was at the Jack Rabbit on the 19th of June and there was no shortage of cherry cider. Good and cold, too! --Denny --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, rt66roadologist@c... wrote: > Hi out there IF ANYBODY STILL HOME AND HEADING FOR Tucumcari for this > weekend.Just heard from Bob Gehl from STL who is on the road right now east of > Gallup he sent last night in the ElRancho.Family and him flew in to ALBQ.ON > Wendsday DROVE WEST TO Holbrookspent the night at the TEEPEE and hade dinner at > JOE & Aggie's.Thay got as far west as The Jackrbbit trading post BAD NEW NO > MORE CHERRY CIDER.Antonio said that the company that made it was bought by > someone and no long makes the mix He has tried to find someone else make it.So > end for now a road tradition of Cider at the JackRabbit.All all that are still > home and have not left a few notes 1.Have a good time 2.Ask Mike Callens abot > Tucumcari falls 3.Look for the beach at SonjonI have a post card of it.Well > that it for now.Jeff Meyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest airfrogusmc Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Guys, I picked up a gallon of sirup at Funks Grove last weekend does that count? Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest airfrogusmc Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 I just dropped a couple of more of photos in the file marked Allen More stuff. One shot is of the gas staion at Odell before the restoration. The others are the old trading post near Algodones New Mexico on old 66 and Adobe Joes a bit north of Santa Fe. Any comments? Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven@aol.com Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Hi all....In celebration of Mr & Mrs List Host's 1st wedding anniversary, we're hitting the road this weekend. We're heading out Friday afternoon for a weekend jaunt to Mackinaw City, MI. I haven't been there in about 10 years & she's never been there, so we thought it'd be a nice change from our usual roadtrips (which lately have been on Route 66). So we'll have plenty of pics posted of the Mackinac Bridge and other sites in the northern reaches of Michigan. You all behave here while we're gone. ;-) Pat & Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shellee Graham Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 It's Shellee G. again --- Sorry, it's late here and I wanted to send Jennifer and Pat Bremer a message. I apologize for sending that previous message to the entire list. Well, now that I have your attention -- I did just place something on ebay that may be of interest to some people... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=3626736786 Thank you. Shellee Graham STL, MO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 I have managed to grab some personal time in Arizona and, from a Landrunner sugestion, have started down Old US 80 toward San Diego. I just barely got started yesterday (Gila Bend) but it looks to me like Ken's come up with another winner. Good looking two lane and a neon flying saucer. http://www.dennygibson.com/ariz102003 --Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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