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Guest Hank Hallmark

This kind of dedication deserves to be recognized by all "roadies"--especially

 

the Route 66 media and organizations like the Nat'l Federation and the CART66PF.

 

 

 

Scott, this is 'specially for you....

 

 

 

Hank

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Bakerhab@aol.com

 

To:thehallmarks@earthlink.net

 

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 3:40 PM

 

Subject: Fwd: Goffsgram 21 December 2002

 

 

 

 

 

The attached email announces an extremely generous donation. Dennis and Jo Ann

 

Dennis G. Casebier goffs@eastmojave.net have given us all a gift that is beyond

 

measure. I hope that each of you will be able to visit Goffs in the future and

 

meet Dennis and Jo Ann, and some of the wonderful Friends who have helped over

 

the years. Your continued support and interest in the Goffs Cultural Center is

 

appreciated.

 

 

 

Happy Holidays

 

 

 

Harry, Helen and Elizabeth Baker

 

 

 

 

 

Goffsgram 21 December 2002 From Dennis Casebier goffs@eastmojave.net 21

 

December 2002. Saturday.

 

 

 

"A promise made is a debt unpaid." Jo Ann and I first started looking at the

 

Goffs Schoolhouse property in August of 1989. We knew doing anything with the

 

property would be a huge job -- something we could not do ourselves. We talked

 

with many Friends of the Mojave Road, some of whom had been with us ten years at

 

that time. Many said they'd help. Some, it was clear, had reservations -- they

 

had signed on to the Friends to develop backcountry trails and that was their

 

focus. This sounded different. We made the decision to go ahead, banking on

 

support from the Friends, and extending the promise ourselves that whatever was

 

developed would be donated some day to a non-profit corporation that we intended

 

to form. And that's where the line, "A promise made is a debt unpaid," from

 

Robert Service's poem, The Cremation of Sam McGee, that has been so much on my

 

mind these past 13 years, came from.

 

 

 

The years passed. In 1993 the Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association was

 

formed and we began raising funds to restore the Schoolhouse. By 1998 we were

 

ready so Jo Ann and I donated the Schoolhouse and the acre it sits on to the

 

MDHCA. The Association then proceeded to restore the building and did such a

 

masterful job that the schoolhouse is now on the National Register of Historic

 

Places. But that was only part of the "promise made."

 

 

 

The Association continued to gain strength. Jo Ann and I offered to donate the

 

70 acres of the property west of Lanfair Road with almost all (we have retained

 

ownership of our living space but not the land it sits on) to the MDHCA if the

 

Association could get the 112-acre property split in two pieces. Under the

 

leadership of Chris Ervin, and with the expenditure of more than $30,000, that

 

has been accomplished.

 

 

 

The subdivision was formally recorded on 22 November 2002. On 17 December 2002

 

Dennis and Jo Ann Casebier signed the deed before a notary granting "Parcel 1"

 

(that's the 70 acres west of Lanfair Road) of the new parcel map to the MDHCA.

 

On 19 December 2002 Dennis Casebier recorded that deed with the County Recorder

 

of San Bernardino County on behalf of the Association and hence the process is

 

completed. The promise is fulfilled.

 

 

 

There are a few details to be taken care of yet. The MDHCA is required by

 

agreements with Casebiers to do an appraisal of the property that has been

 

transferred. That is in motion. Also, the elements of a formal agreement

 

involving the transfer of the property and the status of personal property has

 

been approved by the MDHCA Board of Directors and has been submitted to an

 

attorney to be finalized.

 

 

 

As to the value of the property being donated, in a very real way it is

 

priceless. We won't know the official appraisal value for some time but it will

 

likely be in the $200,000 to $300,000 range.

 

 

 

As part of the same process that resulted in the lot split of the original 112

 

acres at Goffs, a Conditional Use Permit has been approved during the past year

 

by San Bernardino County that will permit the MDHCA to operate legally as a

 

museum and to make necessary expansions.

 

 

 

These events present the MDHCA with a huge challenge. There is a need for

 

additional income for operating expenses and an even larger need for capital

 

improvements (at the top of the list are a new caretaker residence and library

 

and office buildings). We ask our membership to support these things. We also

 

ask our membership to give of themselves -- to involve themselves and their

 

personal talents to help us deal with the challenges that lay ahead.

 

 

 

I thank you all who have done so much to get us where we are. Literally hundreds

 

of people have contributed in countless ways. And it is that continuing support

 

that will enable us to meet our new challenges. (It would be impossible to name

 

everyone that has helped -- but it is all laid out in more than 20 years of

 

Mojave Road Reports).

 

 

 

As to Jo Ann and I. With one promise fulfilled, we're ready to make another one.

 

We promise to stick with this place and put every ounce of energy we have (that

 

gets a little less with each advancing year) into making the Goffs Cultural

 

Center a success. While we have fulfilled a promise, we have not completed the

 

job. We have no more of a feeling that we are through with this project than

 

parents would have who have just dropped their child off for the first day of

 

school.

 

 

 

Best wishes for the holidays, Dennis & Jo Ann

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Guest jim conkle

Hi Trevor,

 

 

 

I too am from Indiana, Richmond in fact, and now live in Southern

 

California. Hwy 40 (The National Road) went right by my Grandfather's house

 

in Centerville.

 

 

 

Check out our web site www.cart66pf.org Hope to see you on the road

 

sometime.

 

 

 

James M. Conkle, Executive Director

 

California Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760-843-5660

 

760-617-3991 cell

 

jim@cart66pf.org

 

www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:26 PM

 

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Hello,

 

 

 

I now reside in Hollywood, California but am an Indiana native. In recent

 

years, I have been very pleased to see the work done to the downtown Canal

 

of

 

which they have incorporated the bridge you described below. I highly

 

recommend setting aside at least an hour or two to wander along the canal

 

when any of you are in Indianapolis.

 

 

 

Also, I have always loved US-40 for the wonderful variety of antique shops

 

as

 

well as the terrific resource of roadside motels still standing (though

 

primarily converted to residences or abandoned altogether these days).

 

 

 

Trevor Chowning

 

 

 

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<< Subject: National Road Pics

 

 

 

Evening folks! We spent a nice day photographing some of the various

 

architecture in downtown Indianapolis Saturday. Among those were of US

 

40/The

 

National Road. Of interest to me was the old US 40 bridge that once

 

carried

 

traffic across the White River on the near westside of downtown Indy.

 

Built

 

in 1916, it was in service for nearly 70 years before being closed in the

 

early 1980's. At that time, US 40 was re-routed south to make way for the

 

new

 

Indianapolis Zoo. Nearly half a mile of original National Road was wiped

 

out

 

in favor of homes for monkeys and elephants. However, the bridge was kept

 

intact, but sat dormant for nearly 10 years before it was converted to an

 

immaculate pedestrian bridge complete with a grassy median and various

 

pieces

 

of artwork. It is also part of a network of biking/jogging trails

 

throughout

 

Indianapolis. There is an interpretive display on the west entrance of the

 

bridge detailing some of the various river crossings at this location

 

throughout history.

 

 

 

One thing that I'm going to look into is why there aren't any of the new

 

"Historic National Road" signs on the bridge that are now dotting the

 

landscape in Indiana from Richmond to Terre Haute. I'll try to get in

 

touch

 

with the Indiana National Road Association to see what their stance is on

 

this. Seems only fitting they should have one at each end of the bridge,

 

instead of at the bridge south of the historic one. If you want to be

 

techinical about it, that new bridge and the re-routed alignment of

 

Washtington St. were never the National Road at all!

 

 

 

I've posted a few of the pics to our Photo Section at our website. Click

 

on

 

the link here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/lst

 

I have them posted in the "National Road-Indianapolis" folder. Enjoy!

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

Speedway, IN

 

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Hey Slim,. my personal check of $6.32 for the book is in the mail today

 

and I look forward to finally obtaining a copy of U. S. 40 Revisited.

 

 

 

February is Black History Month which is coincidentally the shortest

 

and coldest month of the year, anyways I am putting a little more

 

empahsis than usual on the great black composers and players

 

when I listen to music or play the piano. In reality though for

 

me when it comes to music every month is Black History Month.

 

Remember the big surge in nostalgia in the 70s, well ragtime

 

music was a part of that and I discovered it on my own about

 

two years before it hit the mainstream with The Sting.

 

Since then I have worked my way up through Harlem Stride,

 

Swing and Pre-Bop and on through Be Bop which gets you

 

into the Hard Bop and Free Jazz styles. The later Fusion

 

styles do not interest me very much yet. So around here

 

the big names are Monk, Ellington, Mingus, Waller and too

 

many more to list right now. All this on the piano, it has

 

been a thirtytwo year project thus far. I discovered some

 

realphoto postcards of The Pacific Highway a few years

 

later so collecting road memorabilia has been going on

 

for almost thirty years...but my keen interest in old

 

roads goes back as far as I can remember. There is a

 

quarter mile section of a cutoff loop of single slab

 

cement concrete from the 1920s that is about a

 

mile from where I grew up and every now and then

 

we take another detour onto it and it never gets old.

 

One thing that is really neat about it is an actual

 

S curve with no tangent between, first you are

 

banked and curving left and then to the right.

 

Road engineers call this a 'reverse' curve and

 

due to the dangerous propensity for instability

 

they came to realize this was a really bad idea

 

so they don't make 'em like that anymore.

 

 

 

Speaking of old time I see where Ypsilanti is near Willow Run

 

and I wonder what happened to the gigantic plant Ford built

 

there during the war, I think I heard Chrysler bought it.

 

Ford, The Men and the Machine is a 1986 book by Robert Lacey

 

that deals with it's subject in considerable depth.+

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Thanks Dave,

 

 

 

It's already in the mail today.

 

 

 

I listened to Art Blakey, and Lee Morgan today so I see we're

 

on the same track both musically and highwayally.

 

 

 

That "roofed in part of the earth" (perhaps still the largest single

 

story building in the world) was a B-24 Bomber plant in WWII.

 

It produced 8700 planes - almost one an hour when fully

 

operational with Rosie the Riveter. They say the first expressway

 

and overpass were built as part of the roadway between Detroit

 

and Willow Run during the war. The National Archives has a Ford

 

Motor Co. film clip of the Overpass opening with Henry Ford.

 

Later it featured a passenger terminal before the Detroit Metropolitan

 

Airport was opened further east down I-94. It was sold by the Federal

 

Government to University of Michigan for $1.00 in 1947. It was

 

leased shortly thereafter by the Kaiser-Frazer company which

 

produced it's cars there until the mid-50's. In 1977 U of M sold the

 

site to Wayne County, MI for a $1.00. Later it became a Chrysler

 

plant, and subsequently lost out to Tennessee in the bidding for the

 

first Saturn plant - when it closed it was a big blow to the local

 

economy and employment.

 

 

 

It continues to serve as an airport for general aviation, has grown to

 

be one of the largest cargo airports, and also has hanger facilities for

 

a lot of executive type planes. It also features the Yankee Airforce

 

Museum.

 

 

 

Preston Tucker is also from Ypsilanti, and did his early engineering

 

here. His nephew has a coffee shop in the Depot Town part of

 

Ypsilanti. And the Tucker Club held their 50th anniversary convention

 

here a few years ago. A car called the Apex was also made here in

 

the early teens but I don't know much about it.

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:15:17 EST drivewdave@aol.com writes:

 

> Hey Slim,. my personal check of $6.32 for the book is in the mail

 

> today

 

> and I look forward to finally obtaining a copy of U. S. 40

 

> Revisited.

 

>

 

> February is Black History Month which is coincidentally the

 

> shortest

 

> and coldest month of the year, anyways I am putting a little more

 

> empahsis than usual on the great black composers and players

 

> when I listen to music or play the piano. In reality though for

 

> me when it comes to music every month is Black History Month.

 

> Remember the big surge in nostalgia in the 70s, well ragtime

 

> music was a part of that and I discovered it on my own about

 

> two years before it hit the mainstream with The Sting.

 

> Since then I have worked my way up through Harlem Stride,

 

> Swing and Pre-Bop and on through Be Bop which gets you

 

> into the Hard Bop and Free Jazz styles. The later Fusion

 

> styles do not interest me very much yet. So around here

 

> the big names are Monk, Ellington, Mingus, Waller and too

 

> many more to list right now. All this on the piano, it has

 

> been a thirtytwo year project thus far. I discovered some

 

> realphoto postcards of The Pacific Highway a few years

 

> later so collecting road memorabilia has been going on

 

> for almost thirty years...but my keen interest in old

 

> roads goes back as far as I can remember. There is a

 

> quarter mile section of a cutoff loop of single slab

 

> cement concrete from the 1920s that is about a

 

> mile from where I grew up and every now and then

 

> we take another detour onto it and it never gets old.

 

> One thing that is really neat about it is an actual

 

> S curve with no tangent between, first you are

 

> banked and curving left and then to the right.

 

> Road engineers call this a 'reverse' curve and

 

> due to the dangerous propensity for instability

 

> they came to realize this was a really bad idea

 

> so they don't make 'em like that anymore.

 

>

 

> Speaking of old time I see where Ypsilanti is near Willow Run

 

> and I wonder what happened to the gigantic plant Ford built

 

> there during the war, I think I heard Chrysler bought it.

 

> Ford, The Men and the Machine is a 1986 book by Robert Lacey

 

> that deals with it's subject in considerable depth.+

 

>

 

> Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

>

 

> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE

 

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hey Slim, thanks for shipping the book so fast and for the rundown

 

on the Willow Run plant. Here's the deal to the best of my knowledge,

 

Willow Run was and perhaps still is the largest enclosed space in

 

terms of acreage or floor space. However, when the Boeing built

 

the 747 assembly building in the 60s (a bit north of the home of

 

Mock Turtle Press) it became the largest enclosed space in terms

 

of overall volume due to its height, the proportions are almost

 

that of a cube. The building is known for its own weather as

 

clouds form inside occasionally. Cape Canaveral also has an

 

extremely large enclosed volume with the Vertical Assembly

 

building, it might be the second largest.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, if highwayally refers to things highway would things alley

 

be alleyally? And would things wise be wisewise? just wondering...

 

 

 

Regarding Art Blakey he is the Route 66 or U S 40 of bop drummers.

 

His 9-22-54 date with Monk and Percy Heath is just breathtaking.

 

A lot of great players came from the motor city, the late Tommy

 

Flanagan and the Jones brothers to name just a few. That reminds

 

me, I was in Detroit in 1982 and took a run from downtown out to

 

the GM Tech Center out on I think maybe Fifteen Mile Road. I was

 

just amazed to see mile after mile after mile of burnt out stores

 

that were not yet rebuilt after the riots of fifteen years earlier.

 

I wonder if it has improved very much another twenty years later.

 

When I got back I told people it reminded me of Tacomas infamous

 

Hilltop area but on a vast scale. I had seen the collosal Uniroyal tire

 

on I-94 in pictures but it was an awe-inspiring sight when it suddenly

 

appeared on the horizon.

 

 

 

With familiar things it is harder to have a fresh experience,

 

you have lost your innocence. When my best friend took her

 

eight year old son to Seattle on old 99 she deliberately

 

did not mention the famous Hat n' Boots gas station

 

and when they rolled by there "his eyes got real wide"

 

she said. I can never have that experience again and it

 

happened too early for me to remember the first time.

 

The same goes for Bob's Java Jive on South Tacoma Way,

 

it's always 'been there for me' as they say. But one great

 

thing about the highway hobby is you don't always know

 

just what to expect and often this is good. The bulk of

 

my old road discoveries are made on the ground rather

 

than from indoor research. An indoor search is better

 

to help interpret what was found on the ground. The

 

library work can point you in the right direction when

 

you are in the early exploratory stage. One good online

 

resource for researching old roads is terraserver.com

 

with one meter resolution satellite images and topo maps

 

and you can go back and forth between photo and map.

 

For just topo maps topozone.com has clearer images.

 

 

 

Or you can just go by the book and go buy the book. To me

 

this is about the same as stamp collecting where you

 

do everything by the numbers. There is no catalog for

 

my highway postcards and that's the way I like it.

 

This means everything I have not seen yet is new to me

 

instead of something I already saw in some book.

 

I know his is kind of a hardline position I am taking but I have

 

found the best road fun is the kind that results from my personal

 

effort and maybe some serendipity. Sure I could have looked up some

 

old sources to learn the first route of the Pacific Highway north of

 

Stanwood and it would have been satisfying enough that way but it

 

was way more fun to be following the first 99 alignment and spot

 

the county road sign that said Old Pacific Hwy and turn off to follow

 

the unexpected old old old route. It was more fun to spot the leftover

 

ten yards of single-slab where the curve was eased when I did not

 

know of it, it's possibly the only original Pacific Highway pavement

 

to be seen in all Snohomish County, go and find out for yourself.

 

 

 

For years and years whenever I looked at a 20s realphoto postcard

 

identified only as Pacific Hiwy. Douglas Cty. Ore. I would always

 

wonder where it was taken. Then finally one summer evening

 

south of Drain I drove around a bend and all of a sudden I was there

 

and it literally felt like I was driving into a postcard as in a dream.

 

Very little had changed, the RR track was still there, and the trees

 

were similar, the only difference was modern guardrails and blacktop.

 

It was so unexpected that even though alone I yelled out in surprise.

 

You don't get that out of a book...meanwhile, happy motoring, Dave

 

 

 

p.s. someday I would hope to chance upon the location of one of my

 

favorite images in Stewarts U.S. 40, Target of Opportinity..

 

U.S. 40 Revisitedbook has more specific information as to location this will

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In a message dated 2/11/03 2:07:50 AM, drivewdave@aol.com writes:

 

 

 

<< p.s. someday I would hope to chance upon the location of one of my

 

favorite images in Stewarts U.S. 40, Target of Opportinity..

 

U.S. 40 Revisitedbook has more specific information as to location this will

 

>>

 

 

 

sorry folks, wasn't quite done there as you can see. the mouse fell

 

and hit the auxillary Enter key next to the numeric keypad at the

 

lower right of the keyboard. If you are writing mail and hit the

 

extra Enter key your mail is sent whether you are done or not.

 

 

 

what I was trying to get at is this, in Stewarts book image 66

 

titled Target of Opportunity is only described as being a few

 

miles west of image 65 which is described as west of

 

Duchesne, Utah. If the newer book has this image and

 

gives it a specific location it will be a quandry,

 

likely I will have to try and ignore it if I want

 

to hang on to any uncertainty or mystery. Some

 

of you may be saying, you dummy, all you have to

 

do is look at the map on page 188 and you can see

 

right where it is and that may be somewhat true

 

but we are still talking about 'a few miles' which

 

is a fairly vague amount when you consider the

 

scale of the map and the scale of the landscape.

 

If later books reduce the mystery of 'a few miles'

 

to a specific number like 9.7 then no more surprise.

 

 

 

Speaking of transcontinental trip images,

 

about 30 years ago I saw a home movie made

 

with the time-lapse technique, a complete

 

coast to coast interstate trip was reduced

 

to half an hour, now that's the kind of

 

documentation we need, intensive.

 

Too bad Andy Warhol never took to

 

the road. He made an all day movie once,

 

eight continuous hours of the Empire State Building

 

without moving the camera, a static shot. He also

 

made an all night static shot movie of a sleeper.

 

These are of course grueling for most audiences.

 

More than once when Andy took a college speaking

 

engagement he sent a ringer in his place. It is sort

 

of appropriate when you consider his fascination

 

with mass production and manufactured image.

 

How about a five day video of your road trip...

 

it would not even cost that much. Actually

 

now that I think of it the famous1964 trip

 

of Kesey's Furthur resulted in hundreds of

 

hours of footage, very little of which is

 

ever seen except by a few insiders.

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Looking for an opinion or two here. We'll be attending the Tucumcari

 

Roadie thing in July and since Navigator and I will have officially

 

begun retirement, there is no urgency for our return to the Gateway.

 

We're going to Tucumcari on '66, of course, but are wondering about

 

alternate blue highways for the trip back.

 

 

 

Has anyone cruised U.S. 54 east from Tucumcari, across TX and OK and

 

into KS? It appears to be a road less traveled, yet one that would

 

allow us to check out Garden City and Holcomb (the infamous In Cold

 

Blood adventure). Would like to hear thoughts and/or experiences

 

regarding this particular highway. We have traveled 54 in MO and

 

love the way it winds through the Ozarks. Thanks.

 

 

 

Cruisin',

 

Bliss

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Guest Dave Settle

Oh yes, U.S. 54. A road I really like. Before you get to Nevada MO. (WB of

 

course) the winding is history but for true 2 laners it is a must see.

 

We were in Holcomb in 1966 when the incident was only about 8 years old and

 

was still a topic of conversation. Last April we did it again and it seemed the

 

world class feed lots and packing house were the main tourist attractions. And

 

of course US 50.

 

The prime portion of 54 is actually the 125 miles from Vaughn down to

 

Tularosa. Narrow road, heavy truck traffic, and pretty country. Think US 66 from

 

Kingman to Seligman, until they widened it in the middle 60's.

 

Hope you have a great time,

 

Dave in Fortuna

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Sorry about the cross posting.

 

 

 

I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well,

 

mostly Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE

 

Five, or THE Fifteen. THE Whatever!

 

 

 

I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to

 

highways this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in

 

Hollywood!

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

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Frank,

 

 

 

I don't know that I have any sort of authoritative source on this issue, but I

 

do have some ideas. Perhaps others can provide something more objective and

 

less subjective. As a Los Angeles native who has also lived in the Bay Area, I

 

think I can fairly safely say that the phenomenon you refer to is limited to

 

Southern Californians in general and residents of Greater Los Angeles in

 

particular. You'll rarely hear any Northern California natives refer to their

 

freeways as "THE 80" or "THE 101". It's usually us Southern California

 

transplants that do that.

 

 

 

My theory is this: when freeways were first being built and opened in the Los

 

Angeles metro area in the 1940s through 1960s, they were generally the first to

 

be built in the state and they were assigned names before they were assigned

 

numbers -- the Santa Monica Freeway, Golden State Freeway, and Santa Ana Freeway

 

were identified as the "names" of these new highways rather than the U.S. 99 or

 

U.S. 101 freeways. I've asked my parents about this, both of whom were also

 

born and raised in Los Angeles and San Diego and were first learning to drive

 

during the years the first freeways were being opened. They knew U.S. 99 as

 

being San Fernando Road and U.S. 101 being Whittier Boulevard; the freeways were

 

given the non-numeric names in order to distinguish them from the surface street

 

routings. No matter that the highway numbers were eventually shifted over to

 

the freeways -- the names stuck. To this day, my parents generally refer to

 

these highways by their non-numeric names -- THE Santa Ana Freeway (not just

 

"Santa Ana Freeway").

 

 

 

I think that because most Los Angeles area residents of that generation first

 

became accustomed to using the article "THE" before the freeway name, they have

 

carried this over as they have gradually adopted the numeric reference so that

 

it is no longer just "I-5" but "THE 5". Though freeways in Northern California

 

also were given names ("Bayshore Freeway", "Nimitz Freeway"), they were first

 

known and referred to by their numbers ("US 101 Bypass") and so the non-numeric

 

name never really caught on with the general public. Plus, CalTrans (or the

 

Division of Highways as it was then known) actually placed the non-numeric name

 

on the big green signs in Southern California; they did not do this to my

 

knowledge in Northern California. This had to have helped to encourage

 

widespread adoption of the non-numeric reference names.

 

 

 

This is only my theory, but I think it's a fairly sound one. For the record,

 

when I'm visiting home, I refer to freeways as "THE 5" or "THE 405"; when I

 

lived in the Bay Area or now in my home in Denver, they are just "I-80" or

 

"I-25". Just peer pressure I suppose!

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Rob Carnachan

 

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Subject: [route-40] Highway Nicknames

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry about the cross posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well, mostly

 

Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE Five, or THE

 

Fifteen. THE Whatever!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to highways

 

this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in Hollywood!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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When you write "THE" in all capitals like that, I can't help but imagine the

 

word "THE" just above the intersate shield (in place of "EAST" or "TO") and it's

 

a really funny idea! Nice imagery to make fun of SoCal'ers.

 

 

 

By the way, I think they do that up in Ontario too. I.e., The 401, The 407, and

 

The QEW.

 

 

 

David Smith a.k.a. Bir'din

 

 

 

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Rob Carnachan wrote:

 

>Frank,

 

>

 

>I don't know that I have any sort of authoritative source on this issue, but I

 

do have some ideas. Perhaps others can provide something more objective and

 

less subjective. As a Los Angeles native who has also lived in the Bay Area, I

 

think I can fairly safely say that the phenomenon you refer to is limited to

 

Southern Californians in general and residents of Greater Los Angeles in

 

particular. You'll rarely hear any Northern California natives refer to their

 

freeways as "THE 80" or "THE 101". It's usually us Southern California

 

transplants that do that.

 

>

 

>My theory is this: when freeways were first being built and opened in the Los

 

Angeles metro area in the 1940s through 1960s, they were generally the first to

 

be built in the state and they were assigned names before they were assigned

 

numbers -- the Santa Monica Freeway, Golden State Freeway, and Santa Ana Freeway

 

were identified as the "names" of these new highways rather than the U.S. 99 or

 

U.S. 101 freeways. I've asked my parents about this, both of whom were also

 

born and raised in Los Angeles and San Diego and were first learning to drive

 

during the years the first freeways were being opened. They knew U.S. 99 as

 

being San Fernando Road and U.S. 101 being Whittier Boulevard; the freeways were

 

given the non-numeric names in order to distinguish them from the surface street

 

routings. No matter that the highway numbers were eventually shifted over to

 

the freeways -- the names stuck. To this day, my parents generally refer to

 

these highways by their non-numeric names -- T

 

HE Santa Ana Freeway (not just "Santa Ana Freeway").

 

>

 

>I think that because most Los Angeles area residents of that generation first

 

became accustomed to using the article "THE" before the freeway name, they have

 

carried this over as they have gradually adopted the numeric reference so that

 

it is no longer just "I-5" but "THE 5". Though freeways in Northern California

 

also were given names ("Bayshore Freeway", "Nimitz Freeway"), they were first

 

known and referred to by their numbers ("US 101 Bypass") and so the non-numeric

 

name never really caught on with the general public. Plus, CalTrans (or the

 

Division of Highways as it was then known) actually placed the non-numeric name

 

on the big green signs in Southern California; they did not do this to my

 

knowledge in Northern California. This had to have helped to encourage

 

widespread adoption of the non-numeric reference names.

 

>

 

>This is only my theory, but I think it's a fairly sound one. For the record,

 

when I'm visiting home, I refer to freeways as "THE 5" or "THE 405"; when I

 

lived in the Bay Area or now in my home in Denver, they are just "I-80" or

 

"I-25". Just peer pressure I suppose!

 

>

 

>Cheers,

 

>Rob Carnachan

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Frank Brusca

 

> To: ; AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ;

 

LincolnHighway@yahoogroups.com

 

> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM

 

> Subject: [route-40] Highway Nicknames

 

>

 

>

 

> Sorry about the cross posting.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well, mostly

 

Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE Five, or THE

 

Fifteen. THE Whatever!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to highways

 

this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in Hollywood!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Frank Brusca

 

>

 

>

 

> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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I just happened across the web site for American Road Magazine and was

 

intrigued. Besides covering a subject that is near and dear to my heart the site

 

is very nicely done.

 

 

 

In 1962 I traveled out west from Corpus Christi, Texas with my family. During

 

that trip we traveled a part of the "Mother Road", Route 66 through parts of

 

Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Since that time I have been hooked on travel and

 

history and the mystique of historic American highways.

 

 

 

I am currently looking to establish good working relationships with publications

 

that can use my stock photographs on a regular basis as well as provide

 

assignments. I have been a full-time freelance photographer since 1984 and can

 

work with any format from 35mm to 4x5, though I generally prefer 35mm unless an

 

assignment requires otherwise.

 

 

 

My work covers a wide range of subjects, from historical and archeological sites

 

to landscapes, scenics, and nature. It also includes some of the wonderful

 

people that make New Mexico such an interesting place to live.

 

 

 

I would like to request a copy of your photographers guidelines and rates if

 

available.

 

 

 

Please include my name and address on your available photographers list and to

 

your mailing list for any photographic want lists that you may send out.

 

 

 

I would very much like the opportunity to submit any stock photographs I may

 

have that would fit your needs for upcoming articles in American Road Magazine

 

and again, I am also available for assignments.

 

 

 

Additional information, as well as a small selection of my work can be found

 

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Hey everyone,

 

 

 

I just put a couple of new images in a folder marked "Allen More

 

stuff". I took these on my 4th of July road trip to St Louis. The

 

photo of the Tropics is so typical of whats happening today.

 

Corporations are squeezing out the small family owned businesses.

 

Last time I went through Lincoln the Tropics was closed but it seems

 

to have reopened.

 

 

 

When I was young my parents had good friends that lived in St Louis

 

and we would always stop at the Tropics on the way down from Chicago.

 

 

 

Allen

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Guest Rich Rheingold

This was sent to me on our regular website.( During September, a

 

group of four of us will be making a trip fromBoston to Newport,

 

Oregon. The journey will be chronicled at www.seatosea2003.org with

 

daily updates. The Website is still under construction, but by D-day

 

(Aug. 30th) it should be up and running.)

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you dont happen to be related to the beer producing Rheingolds (of " Miss

 

Rheingold" fame) do you? If so, 1) my brother was extremely disappointed

 

when I could not find any of the family product when I was out there last

 

year...2) from personal experience, U.S. 20 trekking across NY is one of the

 

coolest drives any roadie could ever hope to take (I will spell it wrong,

 

but we stayed in a town called Skaneatlas on the finger lakes and stayed at

 

a really excellent roadside motel--The Whispering Winds, I believe it

 

was--outside of town.)...3) Rheingold's competition, Genessee, has an

 

excellent billboard on top of a building in Auburn NY, and across the street

 

from that is a diner--the Hunter Dineraunt--which is an original straight

 

out of the factory diner from 1950 that looks just like it did 50 years ago

 

and preps a breakfast that is worth coming back for...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn

 

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A Road Runs Through It

 

Route 20 reveals unexpected treasures to those who take their time

 

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In many ways, and in many places, a trip across New York state on

 

Route 20 remains a journey into the past. This old federal highway,

 

which spans the continent--it is one-third again as long as its more

 

celebrated cousin, Route 66--enters New York in obscurity from

 

Massachusetts at New Lebanon and exits quietly into the northwestern

 

spur of Pennsylvania, more than 340 miles to the west, at Ripley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the places along the way are well-known; Albany and Buffalo

 

lie near either end, and a few Erie Canal-era towns like Auburn,

 

Seneca Falls, Geneva and Canandaigua have made their own mark on

 

history. Yet much smaller, obscure hamlets are the rule. Silver

 

Creek, Pavilion Center, Bloomfield and Avon (pronounced Aaa-von) to

 

the west, and West Winfield, Richfield Springs, Leesville and

 

Esperance to the east characterize a largely rural highway bypassed

 

by the hum of commerce and development.

 

 

 

Route 20 originated in 1799 when the New York State Legislature, in

 

the interest of emigration and commerce, commissioned private

 

companies to develop turnpikes, for which the companies were

 

permitted to charge tolls. In Central New York, the Cherry Valley

 

Turnpike connected Albany first to Cherry Valley and then, at the

 

initiative of Cazenovia's John Lincklaen, to Cazenovia and Manlius.

 

To the west, the Seneca Turnpike proceeded to Skaneateles. This

 

patchwork system eventually bisected the state, and a surge of

 

traffic followed. Route 20 carried emigrants in covered wagons,

 

drovers following herds, and freight in utility rigs.

 

 

 

The traffic ebbed, however, when the Erie Canal opened in 1825,

 

offering easier, safer travel. By 1859, the state had bought out all

 

of the original turnpike companies, eliminating tolls. After the

 

Civil War, a wave of improvements ensued, making routes like the

 

Cherry Valley Turnpike easier to traverse. Route 20 languished,

 

however, while the east-west corridor to the north--the Mohawk

 

Valley, the Erie Canal and the railroad routes--saw industrial

 

development.

 

 

 

The advent of automobile travel brought new life to the old road

 

after 1915, spurring road improvements and commercial development

 

aimed at travelers. As with its earlier prosperity, however, Route

 

20 would once again see its lifeblood drawn off by a better option

 

to the north. When the New York State Thruway opened in the mid-

 

1950s, the road to the south began yet another decline.

 

 

 

Today Route 20 is an amalgam of the past and the present, a worn

 

anachronism at one turn, an enduring symbol of vitality at the next.

 

 

 

Buffalo's Rich Stadium looms near one terminus, Albany's Empire

 

State Plaza at the other. And somewhere along the road connecting

 

them are fallow fields regenerating into forests, farm stands

 

spilling over with bountiful harvests, post-and-beam barns on their

 

last legs and prosperous farms with "Dairy of Distinction" laurels

 

postered out front.

 

 

 

Travelers also find forlorn roadside cabins whose last guests

 

departed a generation ago, a giant teepee full of knickknacks,

 

quaint lakeside villages favored by the rich and famous, dead farm

 

equipment, fast-food joints, real diners and lots of open space. The

 

road may have gone north, but after more than 200 years, Route 20

 

remains what it must have been at the beginning: a fascinating drive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

The good folks at Shady Jacks in Villa Ridge, MO who have agreed to store the

 

Arch Motel sign, are having a preregistration party for the Bikers for Babes

 

ride to support the March of Dimes. the Preregistration event will take place on

 

Saturday October 11, between 12 p.m and 6 p.m at Shady Jacks, 3417 highway O in

 

Villa Ridge...there will be a silent auction at Shady Jacks as well as live

 

music, food and fun!

 

 

 

For St. Louis participants, the actual Bikers for Babes motorcycle ride

 

commences from Union Station in St. Louis on October 12 at 11:45 a.m with a

 

registration and breakfast beginning at 8:00 a.m. A complimentary Lunch from

 

Hard Rock Cafe wil be served to all participants after the ride...

 

 

 

For more information call Shady Jacks at 636-451-4644 or the March of Dimes at

 

314-646-0017. As friends of the March of Dimes and friends of our beloved

 

highway, they deserve our support.

 

 

 

Thanks, Kip Welborn

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Hit the highway for one heck of a garage sale

 

06:37 PM CDT on Friday, October 3, 2003

 

 

 

From Staff and Wire Reports / The Dallas Morning News

 

 

 

U.S. Highway 80 may one day be celebrated as another legendary "mother road,"

 

complete with the nostalgic magnetism currently associated with Route 66.

 

 

 

To get things rolling, 22 towns from Grand Prairie to Calhoun, La., are

 

hosting the second annual Historic U.S. 80 Hi-Way Sale & Cruise Oct. 9-12 and

 

Oct. 16-19. It's touted as a 200-mile garage sale, perhaps the second longest

 

in the nation. Owners of classic and special-interest vehicles also are

 

planning shows and cruises along the route.

 

 

 

Highway 80 stretches more than 2,400 miles from near Savannah, Ga., to San

 

Diego. Interstate highways such as I-20 have siphoned off long-distance

 

traffic.

 

 

 

Contact: 903-234-1820; www.us80.com.

 

 

 

Wood artists share their love of mesquite

 

 

 

 

 

The Mesquite Art Festival, celebrating the beauty of wood from what some

 

consider a nuisance tree, will bring artists and patrons to Fredericksburg

 

Oct. 10-12.

 

Whether you love hand-carved wooden objects, prefer your mesquite in a

 

barbecue grill or haven't a clue what a mesquite tree looks like, the event

 

aims to please.

 

 

 

Sixty-five artists will show and sell their work in a juried exhibit in

 

Fredericksburg's historic downtown Marktplatz. Items made from mesquite will

 

range from furniture to sculptures to Christmas ornaments. And, yes, there

 

will be barbecue cooked over mesquite to capture the wood's other

 

distinction, its smoking flavor.

 

 

 

Contact: 830-997-8515; www.texasmesquiteassn.org.

 

 

 

Bluegrass festival benefits historic site

 

 

 

 

 

The Jack's Creek Bluegrass Festival will be Oct. 10-11 at the Confederate

 

Reunion Grounds State Historic Site near Mexia, south of Dallas. The event

 

features regional and national bands such as White House Harmony, No Strings

 

Attached, the Coleman Brothers and the Tennessee Gentlemen. Proceeds will

 

benefit the park. Contact: 254-562-5751; www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/confed.

 

Good old days return to Stephenville

 

 

 

 

 

Stephenville is turning back the calendar to the 1800s for By-Gone Days on

 

the Bosque, a celebration of the Erath County town's settlers to be held Oct.

 

11 at the downtown village museum.

 

Among the guests and presenters is Bill Marquis of Denton County, who is

 

believed to have the world's largest collection of barbed wire. Trick-roper

 

Burt Hairgrove will perform, while a woodcarver, a dollhouse maker, an

 

antique tool collector and button collectors will have displays. Quilt expert

 

Sharon Newman of Lubbock will show and discuss historic quilts.

 

 

 

Other activities include a campfire lunch; frontier crafts and blacksmithing

 

demonstrations; and bluegrass, fiddle and barbershop music. Contact:

 

254-968-5275. Stephenville is southwest of Fort Worth.

 

 

 

Pack your shovel and head for Mount Ida

 

 

 

 

 

The 17th annual World Championship Quartz Crystal Dig will be Oct. 9-11 at

 

Mount Ida, Ark. It attracts diggers from across the nation. The contest

 

occurs in conjunction with the annual Quartz, Quiltz and Craftz Festival Oct.

 

10-12.

 

Mount Ida, billed as the "Quartz Crystal Capital of the World," has many

 

mining locations. Contestants are given a choice of mines each day. Using

 

only hand tools, they search for outstanding crystals. Judges determine a

 

dollar value for each miner's entries, and a winner is determined using these

 

figures.

 

 

 

Also in town is Ocus Stanley and Son's Mineral Museum.

 

 

 

Contact: 870-867-2723; www.mtidachamber.com. Area information:

 

www.arkansas.com/outdoors_sports/crystals/crys tals.asp. Mount Ida is about

 

35 miles west of Hot Springs.

 

 

 

Marfa art foundation schedules open house

 

 

 

 

 

The Chinati Foundation, a contemporary art museum in Marfa, will have its

 

annual open house Oct. 11-12. It includes an exhibit and talk by artists

 

Claes Oldenburg and Coosje van Bruggen.

 

The festivities includes meals, museum talks, readings, music and more. The

 

museum, founded by artist Donald Judd, specializes in the presentation of

 

permanent large-scale installations, with an emphasis on works in which art

 

and the landscape are linked. Many of the pieces are outdoors or in scattered

 

buildings.

 

 

 

Contact: 432-729-4362; www.chinati.org.

 

 

 

Are straw men taking over Chappell Hill?

 

 

 

 

 

Hundreds of scarecrows will appear in Chappell Hill and the surrounding

 

southeast Texas area Oct. 11-12 for the 26th annual Scarecrow Festival.

 

Locals really get into the spirit of competition to see who can top one

 

another from year to year to win the prizes.

 

 

 

Downtown, the festival will heat up with about 250 arts and crafts booths,

 

music, food, children's activities, live scarecrows, hayrides and tours.

 

 

 

Contact: 1-888-273-6426; www.brenhamtexas.com.

 

 

 

Jefferson looks at things that go bump in the night

 

 

 

 

 

The northeast Texas town of Jefferson is full of mystery, suspense and scares

 

this month as several activities are planned for Halloween. And with the

 

right timing, you could do all of them during the same weekend.

 

• While not technically a Halloween event, the third annual Texas Bigfoot

 

Conference on Oct. 18 offers a daylong slate of speakers who will discuss the

 

history of sightings of the illusive giant apelike creatures. Sponsored by

 

the Texas Bigfoot Research Center in Dallas, it begins at 11 a.m. at the

 

First United Methodist Church of Jefferson. Contact: 1-877-529-5550;

 

www.texasbigfoot.com.

 

 

 

• Ghost Walk outings are offered at 8 p.m. each Friday and Saturday. For 12

 

and older. Contact: 1-800-299-1593; www.historicjefferson.com/ghostwalk.

 

 

 

• The Jefferson & Cypress Bayou Railway and the Krewe of Hebe are offering

 

"Runaway Fright Train" rides at 7:30 and 9 p.m. each Friday and Saturday

 

through Nov. 1. and on Oct. 30. Think of it as a haunted house in motion. The

 

narrow-gauge steam railway trip along Big Cypress Bayou takes about 40

 

minutes. Not recommended for younger than 12. Contact: 903-665-6400;

 

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Emily and I are taking a trip to Carthage, Mo., to discuss the Boots

 

Motel in front of the city council at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. We're going

 

to request a spot on the agenda, but even if that doesn't happen, we'll

 

speak our piece during the regular public forum part of the meeting.

 

 

 

There's going to be another city council meeting at 7:30 Tuesday, Nov.

 

25, that we -- and hopefully some other prominent Route 66 folks we're

 

going to contact -- will attend. By then, we'll probably know who the

 

new owner of the Boots will be; the closing date on the sale is set for

 

Nov. 21.

 

 

 

City Hall is at 326 Grant St., which is about two blocks south and four

 

blocks east of the Boots Motel.

 

 

 

In summary, we're going to try to convey the historical and tourism

 

value of the Boots Motel and inform the city that it has the authority

 

within its own ordinances to preserve the motel and urge them to use

 

it.

 

 

 

If you all want to come to the meeting Wednesday and Nov. 25 and give

 

speak out that you want the Boots Motel to be preserved, by all means

 

do so. We'll give out more details of the Wednesday meeting and the

 

Nov. 25 meeting as they become available.

 

 

 

Here's a good link to the City of Carthage's Web site if you need more

 

info: http://www.carthage-mo.gov

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

www.friendsofthemotherroad.org

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Pappas" <DOUGP001@A...>

 

wrote:

 

> See http://ydr.com/story/main/15455/ .

 

>

 

> The garage, which has been in the same family since 1921, may be torn

 

> down for yet another convenience store with self-service gas pumps.

 

>

 

> Let's see if we can stop it.

 

>

 

> Doug Pappas

 

> New York director, Lincoln Highway Association

 

 

 

My best advice is: you and all your friends raise hell at the city

 

council meetings or whatever government agency will be involved in

 

this. Don't let the station go down without a fight.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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In a message dated 11/10/2003 2:47:04 AM Central Standard Time,

 

sundayjohn66@aol.com writes:

 

 

 

> One hour to slab from Afton to Carthage ...

 

 

 

I get the hint, Emily. And of course I'll be there, barring anything

 

unforseen. But take the slab? Surely you jest! :-)

 

 

 

Laurel

 

Afton Station

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Guest sundayjohn66

I know it's short notice, but I think we can round up a pretty good

 

crew for this meeting. After all, according to Mapquest, it takes ...

 

 

 

Two hours and five minutes to superslab from Tulsa to Carthage ...

 

One hour to slab from Afton to Carthage ...

 

One hour and 12 minutes to slab from Springfield, Mo., to Carthage ...

 

Half an hour to slab from Joplin to Carthage ...

 

Three hours and 37 minutes to slab from OKC to Carthage ...

 

Four hours and 20 minutes to slab from St. Louis to Carthage ...

 

Four hours and 39 minutes to slab from Belleville to Carthage ...

 

 

 

and Scott Piotrowski, if you called in sick Tuesday, it's only 23

 

hours and 26 minutes from La-La Land to Carthage. ;)

 

 

 

And if y'all need me to sweeten the deal ... the after-City-Council

 

party will be just an hour and 53 minutes from Carthage, at the

 

beautiful Munger Moss in Lebanon. If you were waiting for a good

 

excuse to spend one more night at the Munger Moss before winter spoils

 

the fun, this is it. First round's on me.

 

 

 

Emily

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Guest Chetnichols@aol.com

Just remember...the deal is still "open" up and until....closing....bring

 

your checkbook.

 

If I win the lotto....I'll loan you the money...

 

 

 

Chet

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Guest roadmaven

Sorry for the spammer that showed up this weekend folks.

 

Unfortunately these things will happen. We were out on the road &

 

didn't find out about it until late Sunday night.

 

 

 

We had a very good weekend on the road. We aquired (and ultimately

 

consumed) some exceptional fudge (anyone ever have peanut butter &

 

jelly fudge??) in Madison Saturday morning. It was back on the road

 

to Jeffersonville, IN to check out Schimpff's Confectionery. Had a

 

chocolate Coke (Cherry for the Mrs.) and got a few more high cal

 

goodies for the trip. Finally made it to Cave City late in the

 

afternoon to get some good dusk photos at Wigwam Village #2.

 

Fortunately we had a good blue sky to work with. Later we had an hour

 

long talk with owner Ivan John covering everything from preservation

 

to his "calling" for purchasing the Wigwams. We even had a perfect

 

sky to view the lunar eclipse in a clear Kentucky sky outside our

 

wigwam. After dining on some fine KY BBQ, we called it a night.

 

Sunday morn we had another lengthy talk with Ivan and started our way

 

home. I encourage EVERYONE to plan a trip to this place. Ivan's an

 

absolute gentleman who understands and respects the historic property

 

he has. There's plenty of caves to explore in the are as well. He's

 

open til the end of November, so there's still time for a weekend

 

trip folks! ;-) But he'll reopen in March. (www.wigwamvillage.com)

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

AR List Co-Host

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Hi Denny!

 

 

 

Glad I could offer a bit of information to you, for whatever it's worth! Those

 

are my favorite Route 66 stomping grounds.....so I'll be sure to keep everyone

 

posted of any new ongoings at Cool Springs Camp. (I wonder if they have

 

electricity yet!?) One of these Sundays I'm gonna have to get there and let

 

everyone know.

 

 

 

Viva la Black Mountains and Route 66!

 

 

 

Nicole

 

 

 

Denny Gibson <mail@dennygibson.com> wrote:

 

Mention of activity east of Oatman caught my attention and a search

 

for Cool Spring Camp turned up some pictures of a place that I'm

 

somewhat familiar with but didn't even suspect had a name. In 1999,

 

it was my indecision about stopping at this very building that was

 

partly the cause of what I've called "falling into a canyon". I had

 

to finish the west bound trip in a rental and without actually

 

getting to Oatman. This past June I stopped (carefully!) and realized

 

that someone had been quite busy even though no one was there. I left

 

a note and hoped I might hear something about the reconstruction.

 

Your message was the first I've heard that work continues and the

 

having a name lead me to a little history about the place. Now I'll

 

know to keep an eye out for news of Cool Spring Camp.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

In addition, a letter outlining the "historic, cultural and architectural

 

significance of the Boots Motel" that define it as a historical landmark

 

will be sent out, hopefully to be received by the Board prior to the

 

meeting. Between that, Emily and Ron, and whoever else can attend the

 

meeting in Carthage, we can serve as a reminder that the City of Carthage

 

does have the power to do something about this...Tsingtao, Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "rwarn17588" <RWarn17588@aol.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:09 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] We'll be in Carthage to discuss Boots Motel

 

 

 

 

 

> Emily and I are taking a trip to Carthage, Mo., to discuss the Boots

 

> Motel in front of the city council at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. We're going

 

> to request a spot on the agenda, but even if that doesn't happen, we'll

 

> speak our piece during the regular public forum part of the meeting.

 

>

 

> There's going to be another city council meeting at 7:30 Tuesday, Nov.

 

> 25, that we -- and hopefully some other prominent Route 66 folks we're

 

> going to contact -- will attend. By then, we'll probably know who the

 

> new owner of the Boots will be; the closing date on the sale is set for

 

> Nov. 21.

 

>

 

> City Hall is at 326 Grant St., which is about two blocks south and four

 

> blocks east of the Boots Motel.

 

>

 

> In summary, we're going to try to convey the historical and tourism

 

> value of the Boots Motel and inform the city that it has the authority

 

> within its own ordinances to preserve the motel and urge them to use

 

> it.

 

>

 

> If you all want to come to the meeting Wednesday and Nov. 25 and give

 

> speak out that you want the Boots Motel to be preserved, by all means

 

> do so. We'll give out more details of the Wednesday meeting and the

 

> Nov. 25 meeting as they become available.

 

>

 

> Here's a good link to the City of Carthage's Web site if you need more

 

> info: http://www.carthage-mo.gov

 

>

 

> Ron Warnick

 

> www.friendsofthemotherroad.org

 

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