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December 13, 2003

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January 1, 2004

Congrats on the new wheels, Pat and Jennifer! Glad you're getting to

cruise through MO this weekend, as '66 through our state is

fantastic.

Oh yeah; we bought a new Monte Carlo supercharged SS yesterday at

Route 66 Motors (where else?) in Pacific. Black with red trim and

all the bells and whistles. Not quite the same car as our V8 '87

Monte SS was but very quick and very sleek. Navigator and I decided

on another Monte a few months ago (it's #3 and we still have the

first one) and she chose the color. She's partial to black because

that was the color of my old Ford when I was "courting" her back in

the fifties, at least that's what she tells me. Good cruisin' in the

new year, everyone.....Bliss & Navigator

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

wrote:

> Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new Toyota

> this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for a

> weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No, not

> taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers in the

> next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the New

> Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a SAFE

> one!

>

> Pat & Jennifer

> Speedway, IN

> http://roadtripmemories.com

January 1, 2004

That's neat about Gatorade and Gainesville. It's going on my Palm

Pilot so I can research it a bit further at the library after I surf

over to Gatorade.com. Thanks much.

I wonder if we recall the history of the Cards. They started with the

league in Chicago (when the Bears were in Iowa and called the Staleys

after Staley Syrup, which is still in Decatur), then moved to Saint

Louis, MO, and currently reside in Arizona. I guess that makes them

the official TEAMS of Route 66.

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn"

<r.Welborn@w...> wrote:

> Talking about seminal influences to the NFL, 41 is a stones throw

from

> Gainesville, FL (441 goes through there, in fact), such being the

home of

> the University of Florida and the home of that staple of the

sideline and

> victory celebrations GATORADE!...will take this moment to tout the

Big Red

> Machine (meaning the now Arizona Football Cardinals) as the official

> football team of Route 66 and in light of their stellar play still

thinkin

> they may finally make it to LA! Tsingtao, Kip

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <big_ugly_mich@y...>

> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:40 PM

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] My proposed road trip

>

> > I would like to make a coffee table book on Highway 41, admittedly

> > because I was born about three blocks away from it, but that

won't be

> > in the book.

> >

> > What will be? My working subtitle is "The Official Highway of the

> > National Football League." It starts in Miami, right about where

Pro

> > Player Stadium is (this Cub fan will leave out any references to

the

> > Marlins), goes through Tampa, about a block from James Stadium (my

> > first name is Raymond's last), Atlanta, Nashville, Indianapolis,

> > then, saving the best for last, Chicago and Green Bay, which are

> > probably the subject of some good books by themselves. 41 also

runs

> > half a mile from Milwaukee County Stadium, which was torn down

even

> > though the good people of Milwaukee voted AGAINST Miller Park.

Twice.

> > The Packers played half their home games there from 1965 to 1999.

> >

> > It's not too far from that seminal influence that every true

football

> > fan knows, whether they love it or hate it, called Notre Dame, and

> > I'd like to do a book on Jesse Harper, who coached Knute Rockne

as a

> > player, and worked as ND's athletic director while Rockne coached.

> >

> > Guidebooks are few and far between, since 41 isn't too historical

in

> > it's own right, but I have maps already. Now all I need is the

> > independence to go on the road trip, and a good camera.

> >

> > See you all down the road a piece. I'm also working on a disguise

> > that will get me some Milk Duds at Lou Mitchell's (women get them

for

> > stopping in, but not men). I dated my wife exclusively when she

got

> > me a hand drawn map by Bob Waldmire, of Route 66 fame. His dad, Ed

> > Waldmire, invented the Corn Dog on Route 66. The stand, Co-Z Dogs

> > (pronounced Cozy Dogs) is still running as far as I know.

> >

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January 1, 2004

Sounds like I'm going to need a ton of film, and not just for the

book. Thanks so much. Lake Superior is already one of my favorite

destinations.

Yanno, I used to live in the shadows of Marquette University in

downtown Milwaukee. Coincidence? Probably. It's a good three miles

from 41. Marquette High School isn't, though.

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Chetnichols@a... wrote:

> Hi......

>

> Highway 41 runs about 6 blocks from my house in the burbs north of

Chicago. I have driven it to where it ends in North Michigan because

my son attends Northern Michigan University in Marquette, MI.....on

the shores of beautiful Lake Superior.

> You can still get a shot and a beer for $2 and a glass of wine is

$1.50. NMU is also the site of one of the Olympic Development

Centers....truly God's country......and a fun town.

> Has a truely majestic cathedral in the heart of town.....

>

> Chet

January 1, 2004

If 41 ever went through Indianapolis, I don't know about it. I'd like

to find out.

I do stand corrected on the Cozy Dog. Co-Z dog was a cheap imitation

by a local establishment called Mel's Drive-In. I didn't mind since

they gave an etymology, but they closed about a year ago. Too bad,

since they had Milwaukee's finest chili cheese fries.

41 still runs that way according to Mapquest. It changed alignments

in Southeastern Wisconsin, which includes the part I was born near.

If you have a map, the old alignment is County 241 in Milwaukee

County. 41 now shares road with Interstate 94 in Milwaukee County. I

can't see the logic of that move, since most of the kitschy

restaurants and one defunct drive in theater are on old 41. Why the

federal government wants to stab taxpaying businesses in the heart, I

don't know.

I support the Interstate system, because it keeps the maniacs off the

fun roads, but a bit of common sense is in order.

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jenniferrt66"

<jabremer66@a...> wrote:

> Well, I hope you get the independence you need to make that road

trip

> and write your book! The more guidebooks about U.S. highways, the

> better!

>

> Did U.S. 41 at one time go through Indy? I am a new transplant to

> Indy, but my husband Pat has lived here all his life, so he might

> know. I have a 1941 Rand McNally map that shows U.S 41 running

(in

> part) from Nashville, northwest into southwestern Indiana, then

north

> into Terre Haute and up to Chicago, all along the western border of

> Indiana. U.S. 31 goes through Indy though...just curious!

>

> The Cozy Drive In is still operating in Springfield, serving up

Cozy

> Dogs and terrific greasy fries (though less greasy than they used

to

> be). I don't know if they were ever called Co-Z Dogs though, maybe

> early on, but I always have read it just as Cozy.

>

> There's some pictures on my website of the Cozy I took in August

> (scroll about halfway down):

>

> http://www.roadtripmemories.com/trips/illinois66-2.htm

>

> I hope you come up with a suitable and realistic disguise for Lou

> Mitchell's so you can get some Milk Duds!

>

> Jennifer Bremer

> AR List Co-Host

> http://www.roadtripmemories.com

January 1, 2004

Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town called Maysville,

Ohio?

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

wrote:

> Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new Toyota

> this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for a

> weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No, not

> taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers in the

> next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the New

> Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a SAFE

> one!

>

> Pat & Jennifer

> Speedway, IN

> http://roadtripmemories.com

January 1, 2004

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, big_ugly_mich@y... wrote:

> Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town called Maysville,

> Ohio?

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

> wrote:

> > Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new Toyota

> > this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for a

> > weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No, not

> > taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers in

the

> > next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the New

> > Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a

SAFE

> > one!

Yes, I do believe many Toyota models, in fact, are made in America.

That's OK. I think Jennifer is going to be happier with her trade-in.

Neons, alas, are bad cars. This isn't just my opinion, but also in

Consumer Reports, a used-car buyer we encountered and others. Alas,

the PT Cruiser has a Neon engine -- not a good sign for that model

getting repeat business.

I'm a happy Saturn buyer (going on 125,000 miles with no major

problems), but I've seen some troubling signs within the company

that's probably going to make me get a Toyota or Honda for my next

car.

I'll gladly buy American, but only if it's not a piece of crap.

Ron Warnick

Belleville, IL

January 1, 2004

Ron,

You are correct. Many Toyota models are made from genuine Toyota

Japanese parts which are assembled in California. Many American made

vehicles (I won't mention names) are assembled in Mexico. D'oh!!!!

BTW - The most reliable Toyota engine ever made was the 20R, 22R, and

22RE models. Those engines were primarily used the the Toyota 2WD and

4WD Pick-ups, 4 Runners, and Celica's. Toyota stopped production of

these engine models in 1994. That was the reason why I bought the

last 1994 model pick up truck. The reason why Toyota stopped

production of the engines (although they won't admit it) is because

those engines never made anymore money for Toyota once they left the

dealer's lot. Since they were known to last a minimum of 300,000-

500,000 miles without any breakdowns, consumers never had to bring

those engines in for repairs. Hence, Toyota figured that they were

losing repair cost and replacement parts revenues.

Ken

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" <RWarn17588@a...>

wrote:

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, big_ugly_mich@y... wrote:

> > Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town called

Maysville,

> > Ohio?

> >

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

<roadmaven@a...>

> > wrote:

> > > Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new

Toyota

> > > this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for a

> > > weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No, not

> > > taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers in

> the

> > > next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the

New

> > > Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a

> SAFE

> > > one!

>

> Yes, I do believe many Toyota models, in fact, are made in America.

> That's OK. I think Jennifer is going to be happier with her trade-

in.

> Neons, alas, are bad cars. This isn't just my opinion, but also in

> Consumer Reports, a used-car buyer we encountered and others. Alas,

> the PT Cruiser has a Neon engine -- not a good sign for that model

> getting repeat business.

>

> I'm a happy Saturn buyer (going on 125,000 miles with no major

> problems), but I've seen some troubling signs within the company

> that's probably going to make me get a Toyota or Honda for my next

> car.

>

> I'll gladly buy American, but only if it's not a piece of crap.

>

> Ron Warnick

> Belleville, IL

January 2, 2004

Try Honda. I've got a 1992 Honda Accord with 205,000 miles and still running

strong and holds its resale value. Fred

----- Original Message -----

From: big_ugly_mich@yahoo.com

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:04 AM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: New Year's Roadie...

Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town called Maysville,

Ohio?

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

wrote:

> Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new Toyota

> this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for a

> weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No, not

> taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers in the

> next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the New

> Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a SAFE

> one!

>

> Pat & Jennifer

> Speedway, IN

> http://roadtripmemories.com

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January 2, 2004

Yours truly works for a Canadian owned company. Now if I could just

get a job where the union wasn't a major factor. . .

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...>

wrote:

> Ron,

>

> You are correct. Many Toyota models are made from genuine Toyota

> Japanese parts which are assembled in California. Many American

made

> vehicles (I won't mention names) are assembled in Mexico. D'oh!!!!

>

> BTW - The most reliable Toyota engine ever made was the 20R, 22R,

and

> 22RE models. Those engines were primarily used the the Toyota 2WD

and

> 4WD Pick-ups, 4 Runners, and Celica's. Toyota stopped production of

> these engine models in 1994. That was the reason why I bought the

> last 1994 model pick up truck. The reason why Toyota stopped

> production of the engines (although they won't admit it) is because

> those engines never made anymore money for Toyota once they left

the

> dealer's lot. Since they were known to last a minimum of 300,000-

> 500,000 miles without any breakdowns, consumers never had to bring

> those engines in for repairs. Hence, Toyota figured that they were

> losing repair cost and replacement parts revenues.

>

> Ken

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588"

<RWarn17588@a...>

> wrote:

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, big_ugly_mich@y... wrote:

> > > Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town called

> Maysville,

> > > Ohio?

> > >

> > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

> <roadmaven@a...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the deal on a new

> Toyota

> > > > this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this afternoon for

a

> > > > weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in Amarillo. No,

not

> > > > taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some of you 66ers

in

> > the

> > > > next few days, if you're around. Should be fun ringing in the

> New

> > > > Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope you all have a

> > SAFE

> > > > one!

> >

> > Yes, I do believe many Toyota models, in fact, are made in

America.

> > That's OK. I think Jennifer is going to be happier with her trade-

> in.

> > Neons, alas, are bad cars. This isn't just my opinion, but also

in

> > Consumer Reports, a used-car buyer we encountered and others.

Alas,

> > the PT Cruiser has a Neon engine -- not a good sign for that

model

> > getting repeat business.

> >

> > I'm a happy Saturn buyer (going on 125,000 miles with no major

> > problems), but I've seen some troubling signs within the company

> > that's probably going to make me get a Toyota or Honda for my

> >

> > I'll gladly buy American, but only if it's not a piece of crap.

> >

> > Ron Warnick

> > Belleville, IL

January 2, 2004

I think I answered this once before, but here it is again.

US 41 never went thru Indianapolis. It ran (runs) from Evansville to

Vincennes to Terre Haute to Rockville and on to Chicago. You can still

drive the old alignment from just north of Vincennes to about Carlisle.

The old road also went thru Sullivan but now bypasses it.

Jack

January 2, 2004

Since we have hi milage claims for foreign tin,

here's a few hi milages for "American" built cast

iron.

Between, say, the early 1970's to around 1990 I used

to buy American Motors Ramblers, the 440 American

model, station wagons. I'd find these cars with

80,000, 90,000 and one or two with at least 100,000

miles on them - and buyable for around $75.

4 or 5 years later they would wind up in the local

salvage yard with 225,000, 250,000 - and the last one

I had, a 1969 440 wagon, had somewhere around 290,000

miles on it. The only reason they went to salvage was

the bodies were gone - the 232 seven main bearing 6

cylinder engine was still going strong.

My maintenance costs on these cars - somewhat less

than $50 a year. Tho, I admit to replacing the upper

trunions on the front end of the last one, the 1969,

that cost me $175 for the parts - I did the job

myself.

I just never put any money into these cars - just ran

them into the ground, then went and bought another

one.

The 1986 Monte Carlo I just sold - bought that one

in the fall of 1998 with 112,000 miles on it and sold

it 2 months back for $300 with 178,000 miles - only

reason I didn't run higher milage was because I bought

a 1987 Dodge truck off a tow company in MA for the

outlandish sum of $1 - it had 107,000 miles on it when

I got it, and it naturally got used more than the

Monte Carlo - it currently has 135,000 miles on it.

These cars, especially the Ramblers, were built in

an era when they wereen't expected to be used by the

same owner much more than 3 years or 50,000 miles,

whichever came first.

My current ride?? A 1992 Buick LeSabre which had

108,000 miles on it when I bought it last October.

Well, I probably won't put much milage on it because

the truck is used mostly for local use, so the Buick,

like the Monte Carlo, will be used mainly for long

trips.

Happy - and Safe - travels in 2004. Maybe we'll get

to see some of you roadies along the way this year.

Hudsonly,

Alex B

--- Jane Zander <fr66ed@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Try Honda. I've got a 1992 Honda Accord with 205,000

> miles and still running strong and holds its resale

> value. Fred

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: big_ugly_mich@yahoo.com

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:04 AM

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: New Year's Roadie...

>

> Toyota? Isn't that made in a small Japanese town

> called Maysville,

> Ohio?

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

> <roadmaven@a...>

> wrote:

> > Howdy folks...As soon as the Mrs. closes the

> deal on a new Toyota

> > this afternoon, we'll be hitting the road this

> afternoon for a

> > weekend cruise along 66 for a steak dinner in

> Amarillo. No, not

> > taking the new wheels! We "may" be seeing some

> of you 66ers in the

> > next few days, if you're around. Should be fun

> ringing in the New

> > Year tonight on 66 somewhere in Missouri. Hope

> you all have a SAFE

> > one!

> >

> > Pat & Jennifer

> > Speedway, IN

> > http://roadtripmemories.com

>

> Visit our homepage at:

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January 2, 2004

The following AMERICAN_ROAD poll is now closed. Here are the

final results:

POLL QUESTION: Which week of the month would you like

to see the American Road "Chat Night"?

CHOICES AND RESULTS

- 1st week of the month, 2 votes, 40.00%

- 2nd week of the month, 1 votes, 20.00%

- 3rd week of the month , 1 votes, 20.00%

- 4th week of the month, 1 votes, 20.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES

- 1st week of the month

- rt66roadologist@comcast.net

- Bakerhab@aol.com

- 2nd week of the month

- hester_nec@yahoo.com

- 3rd week of the month

- flyboy1946@hotmail.com

- 4th week of the month

- Ypsi-slim@juno.com

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The following AMERICAN_ROAD poll is now closed. Here are the

final results:

POLL QUESTION: Which night of the week would you like

to see the American Road "Chat Night"?

CHOICES AND RESULTS

- Sunday, 2 votes, 22.22%

- Monday, 4 votes, 44.44%

- Tuesday, 1 votes, 11.11%

- Wednesday, 1 votes, 11.11%

- Thursday, 0 votes, 0.00%

- Friday, 0 votes, 0.00%

- Saturday, 1 votes, 11.11%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES

- Sunday

- Ypsi-slim@juno.com

- r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net

- Monday

- ridgeaa@uwec.edu

- rt66roadologist@comcast.net

- Bakerhab@aol.com

- flyboy1946@hotmail.com

- Tuesday

- laurelrk66@aol.com

- Wednesday

- hester_nec@yahoo.com

- Thursday

- Friday

- Saturday

- big_ugly_mich@yahoo.com

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January 2, 2004

In a message dated 2/13/2003 3:51:49 PM Central Standard Time,

americanroad@mockturtlepress.com writes:

> This morning I received some sad news regarding Buffalo Ranch on Route

> 66 outside of Afton, Oklahoma. The message came from Betty Wheatley who

> operated the Dairy Ranch on site for decades.

Naturally, I am horribly saddened by this. Betty and I had spoken a few

times about what it would take to buy the property, but the price was just

too high. Betty is a dear lady who has suffered so much loss recently -- the

death of her husband of many years, her 40+ year business (Dairy Ranch), and

now this. When I drive past Buffalo Ranch each day on the way to Afton

Station, I notice minor activity there, but so far (at least as of yesterday)

no demolition. I'll be driving past again tomorrow at 7 a.m. I'll be sure

to stop, and later give a report on what I see happening, if anything. I

will also be vigilant in making sure that nothing of historical value has

been heaped on a rubbish pile.

Just another tourist trap? Maybe, but not to those of us who understand the

joy that places like Buffalo Ranch gave to generations of traveling

Americans. This indeed is very, very sad news.

Laurel Kane

Afton Station

Afton, OK

January 2, 2004

Greetings to All:

This morning I received some sad news regarding Buffalo Ranch on Route

66 outside of Afton, Oklahoma. The message came from Betty Wheatley who

operated the Dairy Ranch on site for decades. This is what she said:

"Lawrence Shumaker and Terry Addington have bought the Buffalo Ranch.

Everything is to be torn down. They are going to put a big Hotel, Cafe,

Casino and truck stop there. The Dairy Ranch has already got their

eviction notice. They have started a bldg, that some one told me was to

be a Quick Trip and gas pumps. I know these guy's, but I have not

talked to them. I am trying to get a hold of them to see about making

some kind of memorial to the Ranch. As I find out things I will let you

know."

So "progress" strikes again it would seem. I was sick to hear it.

Thomas Repp

Executive Editor

American Road

January 3, 2004

St. Thomas, NV was flooded when the Hoover Dam was completed and the Colorado

River backed up to form Lake Mead.

The prolonged draught has caused this ghost town to resurface and I was able to

walk through there a few weeks ago.

I have posted a brief history & some photos including the "main" road which was

probably the only road. See:

www.lasvegasregion.com

and click the third link if you are interested in such history.

Glenn Adams

glenninvegas@juno.com

http://www.lasvegasregion.com

January 3, 2004

Glenn-

How interesting! I am in Bullhead City, not too far from there.....is it

possible for just anyone to go check it out?? Can you tell me how exactly to

get there? That would certainly be worth checking out!!

Glenn <glenninvegas@juno.com> wrote:St. Thomas, NV was flooded when the Hoover

Dam was completed and the Colorado River backed up to form Lake Mead.

The prolonged draught has caused this ghost town to resurface and I was able to

walk through there a few weeks ago.

I have posted a brief history & some photos including the "main" road which was

probably the only road. See:

www.lasvegasregion.com

and click the third link if you are interested in such history.

Glenn Adams

glenninvegas@juno.com

http://www.lasvegasregion.com

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January 3, 2004

I will go on record as saying this thoroughly stinks! The law of this country

is built on proprety rights, and so the uninhibited taking of our national

treasures in the name of those who "own" the land will continue...until, of

course, they are stopped by the means availabe to do so...if something can be

done by folks in St. Louis who are watching places like the Beacon Hill go to

the wrecking ball in the name of speedier travel through the Missouri Ozarks,

let us know...as Lulu would say: from a (concerned/pissed off/pick one or both)

roadie, who may be a lawyer but loathes the profession, the fact that the law

protects destruction and makes preservation a minefield, and the menace that has

become "progress" Kip

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