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June 1, 2007

Hello Ken,

I would like to have my website "Route 66 Photo Album" on your links page.

URL is;

http://isao-net.com/driving/R66/English/

Thank you.

Toshio Koshimizu

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Two Lane Links Page - 2005 Updates

Greetings All,

It's near that time of year again when I would like to make all the

major updates to my Two Lane Links page. If any group members here

have a Route 66 related website and/or other historic two lane

highways, byways and trails related website that they would like to

have listed on the links page, please feel free to send me a private

email and we can go from there.

Also, if you may know of someone else that has a road related website

that they would like to have listed on the links page, please let

them know and have them send me a private email concerning such.

Websites for all Mom and Pop shops, cafes, motels, info resources,

personal travel stories, photo sites, preservation groups, "roadie"

entertainment sites, etc... are all most welcome to be listed.

While on my adventure travels, I am always handing out website flyers

everywhere I go. A win-win for the Roadie Family Circle of Support!

Looking forward to hearing from ya'll.

God Bless and Happy Trails.

Ken Turmel

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June 2, 2007

In a message dated 1/18/06 1:09:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, harmon@mvn.net

writes:

People who are convinced that the travel itself *should* be part of the

enjoyment are the people who become the "roadies."

====================================================================

As I said in an earlier post, my love of old-fashioned car travel (I'm also a

railroad buff BTW) springs from family trips in the early sixties, both day

trips and summer vacations. I'll never forget the time when I was 13 and I got

my own room at a motel! It was in Hillsboro, Ohio, and it was one of those old

fashioned "cabins." I don't know how it worked out that I got my own room;

normally it was one for the three kids and one for our parents. But it felt like

I was on my very own road trip!

My first car was a green 1970 Volkswagen Beetle and it was off to the races

big time. I must have gone to Shenandoah National Park (most people call it

Skyline Drive) to hike ten times that first year. We often went to the Drive on

family trips, but my parents weren't interested in hiking and they didn't want

to stop long enough for me to take one. And of course I stopped at every other

place my parents wouldn't stop at when they were driving.

I decided a long time ago that I'm going to drive like a civilized human

being. None of this 16 hours at a stretch. What amazes me is that people do that

when they're on VACATION. I think I'd rather stay at work! I seldom drive more

than 250 miles in a day. And I stay off the interstates as much as I can. I

absolutely cannot stand I-81 here in southwestern Virginia. I've developed

alternate routes that I use instead.

And I'm always on the lookout for reminders of the old days. A blue roof

means it used to be a Stuckey's' a red roof, Howard Johnson's. You can spot a

lot

of old gas stations by the telltale overhanging porch.

I always look for mom and pop motels. They're cheaper, for one thing. Did you

know that the more you pay for a room, the further you'll have to hike from

your car? Well, it's true. I can park right in front of my door at a mom and

pop. If I go to a chain off the interstate, I'll have to lug my stupid bags

inside and maybe upstairs, and the room will cost twice as much. Also, I like

having my car right there where I can keep an eye on it.

You might not know what you're getting with a mom and pop, but just use

common sense. If the paint's peeling, if the grass is long, or if there are

rough

looking characters hanging around, I'll move on.

Tom Hoffman

Pearisburg VA

June 2, 2007

In a message dated 1/18/06 1:09:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, harmon@mvn.net

writes:

People who are convinced that the travel itself *should* be part of the

enjoyment are the people who become the "roadies."

====================================================================

As I said in an earlier post, my love of old-fashioned car travel (I'm also a

railroad buff BTW) springs from family trips in the early sixties, both day

trips and summer vacations. I'll never forget the time when I was 13 and I got

my own room at a motel! It was in Hillsboro, Ohio, and it was one of those old

fashioned "cabins." I don't know how it worked out that I got my own room;

normally it was one for the three kids and one for our parents. But it felt like

I was on my very own road trip!

My first car was a green 1970 Volkswagen Beetle and it was off to the races

big time. I must have gone to Shenandoah National Park (most people call it

Skyline Drive) to hike ten times that first year. We often went to the Drive on

family trips, but my parents weren't interested in hiking and they didn't want

to stop long enough for me to take one. And of course I stopped at every other

place my parents wouldn't stop at when they were driving.

I decided a long time ago that I'm going to drive like a civilized human

being. None of this 16 hours at a stretch. What amazes me is that people do that

when they're on VACATION. I think I'd rather stay at work! I seldom drive more

than 250 miles in a day. And I stay off the interstates as much as I can. I

absolutely cannot stand I-81 here in southwestern Virginia. I've developed

alternate routes that I use instead.

And I'm always on the lookout for reminders of the old days. A blue roof

means it used to be a Stuckey's' a red roof, Howard Johnson's. You can spot a

lot

of old gas stations by the telltale overhanging porch.

I always look for mom and pop motels. They're cheaper, for one thing. Did you

know that the more you pay for a room, the further you'll have to hike from

your car? Well, it's true. I can park right in front of my door at a mom and

pop. If I go to a chain off the interstate, I'll have to lug my stupid bags

inside and maybe upstairs, and the room will cost twice as much. Also, I like

having my car right there where I can keep an eye on it.

You might not know what you're getting with a mom and pop, but just use

common sense. If the paint's peeling, if the grass is long, or if there are

rough

looking characters hanging around, I'll move on.

Tom Hoffman

Pearisburg VA

June 2, 2007

Hi Ken,

Comprehensive site! I wonder if I could be so presumptuous to ask you

to consider creating an ?Old Spanish Trails Friends? subheading and

add these links:

http://www.drivetheost.com/

http://www.oldspanishtrailcentennial.com/

Thanks, and Happy Roading!

John W. Murphey

June 2, 2007

Here are some road-related songs I've been listening to these days:

Long, Lonesome Highway- Michael Parks

Guitar Town- Steve Earle

Mercury Blues- Alan Jackson

The Road is My Middle Name- Bonnie Raitt

Going Up the Country- Canned Heat

Conchy Tonkin'- Jimmy Buffett

Mountain Pass- Dan Fogelberg

Nowhere Road- Willie and Waylon

Good Old Boys- Waylon

Two Lane Highway- Pure Prairie League

Outa Here- Kenny Chesney

If you get a chance to listen to "Nowhere Road" by Willie Nelson and

Waylon Jennings, do it. It was written by Steve Earle, and the

lyrics are something else. Here is a sampling:

There's a road in Oklahoma

Straighter than a preacher

Longer than a memory

And it goes, forever onward

Been a good teacher

for a lot of country boys like me.

That link you gave is one of the most thorough listings I've seen. I

stumbled across it while looking for the lyrics of "Nowhere Road."

Keep on Down that Two Lane Road Song- RoadDog

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jabremer66@...>

wrote:

>

> I noticed that RoadDog created a database of Road Songs, and

> recently the lyrics to Convoy were posted; combined with my fun of

> creating playlists on my MP3 player for the past 5 or so months, I

> thought it would be fun to start a thread about your favorite road

> trippin' music.

>

> I have both Route 66 and general Road Trip playlists.

>

> My playlist, "Road Trip!"

>

> 1. Johnny Cash - I've Been Everywhere

> 2. Willie Nelson - On The Road Again

> 3. Steppenwolf - Born To Be Wild

> 4. Lindsey Buckingham - Holiday Road

> 5. Jerry Reed - East Bound And Down

> 6. Roger Miller - King of the Road

> 7. Simon & Garfunkel - America

> 8. Sammy Hagar - I Can't Drive Fifty-Five

> 9. Eagles - Take It Easy

> 10. John Denver - Take Me Home, Country Roads

> 11. C.W. McCall - Convoy

> 12. Coasters - Yakety Yak

> 13. Dave Dudley - Six Days On The Road

> 14. Ray Charles - Hit The Road Jack

> 15. Brian Setzer Orchestra - Route 66 (Live)

> 16. Dion - The Wanderer

> 17. Junior Brown - Highway Patrol

> 18. Dave Dudley - Truck Drivin Man

> 19. Ray Charles - Mess Around

> 20. Nelson Riddle & His Orchestra - The Theme From Route 66

> 21. A Side Willie - Old 66

> 22. Two High String Band - Goodbye California (Hello, Illinois)

> 23. Ray Anthony - Peter Gunn Theme

> 24. Randy Garibay, Jr - Sweet Home Chicago

> 25. Asleep at the Wheel - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 26. Dale Watson - Tucumcari, Here I Come

> 27. Gary Primich - You Came a Long Way from St. Louis

> 28. Kevin Welch - Willy Rogers Highway

> 29. Maryann Price - Hoppin' in Joplin

> 30. Red Dirt Rangers - Arizona State Line

> 31. Jason Roberts - T-U-L-S-A Straight Ahead

> 32. Weird Al Yankovic - The Biggest Ball Of Twine In Minnesota

>

> Two of them are less obvious "road trip" songs...I included Yakety-

> Yak because it was used in the beginning of "The Great Outdoors"

> when John Candy's character and his family were road trippin' to

> their vacation destination...and Mess Around because of a classic

> scene in another John Candy film, "Planes, Trains and Automobiles"

> as he is driving from Chicago to St. Louis...simply hilarious!

>

> My Route 66 playlist (entitled "Get Your Kicks") of course has

some

> of the same songs listed above:

>

> 1. Manhattan Transfer - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 2. Brian Setzer Orchestra - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 3. George Maharis - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 4. Jimmy LaFave - Oklahoma Hills

> 5. Depeche Mode - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 6. Bobby Troup - Route 66

> 7. Four Freshman - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 8. Red Dirt Rangers - Used to Be

> 9. Alan Rhody - The Mother Road

> 10. Red Dirt Rangers - Arizona State Line

> 11. Kevin Welch - Willy Rogers Highway

> 12. Dale Watson - Tucumcari, Here I Come

> 13. Marcia Ball - Intro/Route 66

> 14. Randy Garibay, Jr - Sweet Home Chicago

> 15. Bing Crosby & the Andrews Sisters - Get Your Kicks On Route 66

> 16. Dale Watson - Gallop to Gallup

> 17. Gary Primich - You Came a Long Way from St. Louis

> 18. Jimmy LaFave - Route 66 Revisited

> 19. Nelson Riddle & His Orchestra - The Theme From Route 66

> 20. Asleep at the Wheel - Albuquerque

> 21. Surfaris - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 22. Steve James - 66 Highway Blues

> 23. Cindy Cashdollar/Mad Cat Trio - 2200 Miles

> 24. Asleep at the Wheel - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 25. Jason Eklund - What's Left of 66

> 26. Dusty Chaps - Don't Haul Bricks on 66

> 27. LeRoi Brothers - California Sun

> 28. Nat King Cole - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 29. Chuck Berry - Get Your Kicks on Route 66

> 30. Jason Roberts - T-U-L-S-A Straight Ahead

> 31. Maryann Price - Hoppin' in Joplin

> 32. Mary Cutrufello - The Long Red Line

> 33. Two High String Band - Goodbye California (Hello, Illinois)

> 34. A Side Willie - Route 66 - 03 - Old 66

> 35. Brian Setzer Orchestra - Route 66 (Live)

> 36. Route 66 Orchestra - Theme from Route 66

> 37. Charles Brown - Route 66

>

> I found a cool link with some highway song listings:

>

> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/roadsong.htm

>

> I'm curious to hear everyone's favorites, and I will add my songs

to

> the database too.

>

> Jennifer Bremer

> American Road Yahoo Group Co-Moderator

>

June 2, 2007

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@...>

wrote:

>

> Jim:

>

> The quickest legal way I can think of to get this songs is to

download

> a free iTunes program from Apple and start buying the songs one by

one

> for 99 cents apiece. Broadband connection is recommended.

>

> Ron Warnick

> Tulsa, OK

> www.route66news.org

Go to music.yahoo.com and pay 79 cents a song (and send songs via IM

to your friends for $4.99 a month if you want to).

June 2, 2007

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jabremer66@...>

wrote:

>

> I noticed that RoadDog created a database of Road Songs, and

> recently the lyrics to Convoy were posted; combined with my fun of

> creating playlists on my MP3 player for the past 5 or so months, I

> thought it would be fun to start a thread about your favorite road

> trippin' music.

Me, I just go up and down the dial until something strikes me. I

heard a couple of gems I've had no luck finding on CD or any other

media, but my old PC is a Windows 98 (not even SE) so it won't do MP3

rips or burns.

I heard the ORIGINAL "Are You Lonesome Tonight" by Al Jolson in the

80's, and the ORIGINAL "Superstition" by Beck Bogart and Appice (and

found that one, only to have had it stolen from my car), and heard a

lot of the songs already listed, but never Bobby Troup's version

of "Get Your Kicks on Route 66".

A random copy of Route 66 magazine lists 97 versions of "Get Your

Kicks on Route 66", but doesn't tell us how to get any of them.

June 2, 2007

Every year, the National Education Association sponsors a Read

Across America Day. This year's is March 2.

The ability to read is one of the most basic things in a child's

educational life.

I am a teacher myself. I thought it was just people getting dressed

up like the Cat in the Hat or having special guest readers come into

your rooms. Until now, that is.

John Piechocinski, the head custodian at Timber Ridge Middle School

in Plainfield, Illinois, last year had the children trace the Lewis

and Clark Expedition, a very timely thing these days. They moved

Lewis and Clark along a giant map in a hallway. Every page read,

was another mile.

This would lend itself very nicely to our old roads. If you know an

educator you should contact them and suggest your favorite road.

I plan on doing Route 66 this year, if I can get the mileages

between cities.

For more information, go to:

www.nea.org/readacross

Keep on Reading Down that Two Lane Highway, --RoadDog

June 2, 2007

Hey folks,

Please check out my photo exhibition-- "Return to Route 66: Photographs from

the Mother Road," at The Old Courthouse. It's 70 photographs from all 8 Route

66 states: IL, MO, KS, OK, TX, NM, AZ and CA. IT's over 2000 miles of landmark

motels,

drive-ins, people and wierd stuff along the roadside. There is a booklet of

accompanying

text to take along with you on your journey.

I'm so pleased that my touring exhibition has finally come to the St. Louis

area. (It will go to Indiana,

Illinois and Oklahoma later this year.) This is the first time in 10 years that

the show has been in the STL region. Enjoy it now.

The Old Courthouse has done a GREAT job of displaying such a large

exhibition. The color, b/w and infrared photographs are shown in 2 galleries

with

very tall ceilings with great 3-D items like an authentic vintage gas pump from

the 1930s and some great Route 66 memorabilia: some of my own CORAL COURT MOTEL

items are on display too. Gotta love that: COral Court key, ashtray, towel, etc.

Have fun at the OLD COURTHOUSE Route 66 photo display, OPEN 7 days a week 9 am

to

6 pm, at 11 N. 4th Street downtown. This historic 1860s building is one of the

oldest

standing structures in our city. Enjoy seeing restored courtrooms, and other

displays

-- remember this is part of a national park: JEfferson National Expansion

Memorial.

Old Courthouse and the Arch are part of this national park.

I'd like to meet more of the nice people in this town. This exhibit will

probably never be back in st. louis again but you can see it through April

12th. Try to get out here earlier! I'll be there in person on March 19th, so

come on out.

Thank you and enjoy the weekend.

SHellee GRaham

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eshellee66/sg3.html

http://www.coralcourt.com

http://www.cafepress.com/coralcourt

June 2, 2007

In a message dated 2/18/2006 9:38:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,

AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

Message: 1

Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:25:14 -0000

From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Road Trip Songs - what do you listen to?

Hey

Interesting bunch of tunes, some givens, some borderline, all worthwhile.

I almost never post to these groups anymore, however, how has everyone

missed one of my favorite records, a concept album completely written on a road

trip, and all about road trips in general.???

Hejira, by Joni Mitchell. I mean, there is a picture of a two-lane highway

superimposed on her body on the cover.

some track by track lyrical highlights......

1. Coyote - "You just picked up a hitcher, a prisoner of the white lines of

the freeway"

2. Amelia - "I was driving across the burning desert, when I spotted six jet

planes, leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain."

3. Furry Sings the Blues - " Old Beale Street is coming down, Sweeties Snack

shop boarded up now, and Eggles the tailor, and the shine boys gone, faded

out with ragtime blues."

4. A Strange Boy - "We got high on travel, and we got drunk on alcohol, and

on love , the strongest poison and medicine of them all."

5. Hejira - "I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe, a

defector from the petty wars."

6. Song for Sharon - "Sharon, I left my man at a North Dakota junction, and

I came out to the Big Apple here, to face the dream's malfunction."

7. Black Crow - "There's a black crow, dark and ragged, flying tree to

tree, He's black as the highway that's leading me."

8. Blue Motel Room - "I've got road maps from two dozen states, I've got

coast to coast just to contemplate."

9. Refuge of the Roads - "In a highway service station, over the month of

June, Was a photograph of the earth, Taken coming back from the moon, and you

couldn't see a city, on that marbled bowling ball, or a forest or a highway,

or me here least of all, you couldn't see these coldwater restrooms, or this

baggage overload, Westbound and rolling, taking refuge in the roads."

Obviously I am way way biased here, it has always been one of my favorite

records, and I have never been on the road without it, For the sheer poetry, for

a very young Jaco Pastorious in his prime on bass, for the weirdo guitar

tunings.

It's a stunning piece that needs to be heard from beginning to end.

Hopefully on a cloudy rainy day on a lost backroad with the very recent benefit

of

something that's Latin name ends in indica.

peace, and, uh, you know, whatever that damned Japanese thing Kip always

signs off with.

ts

June 2, 2007

>

> A random copy of Route 66 magazine lists 97 versions of "Get Your

> Kicks on Route 66", but doesn't tell us how to get any of them.

I have gone onto Yahoo Music, iTunes and allofmp3.com and searched

for "Route 66" and gotten many listings of versions of Route 66 as

well as the song from the tv show. It lists the song title, artist and

album. Buying them individually is a great way to get them, because

you're buying just one song, rather than a whole album.

Since you can't burn a CD, can you ask a friend who can burn CD's to

get them for you through one of these services?

I haven't bought anything through Yahoo Music. Songs to purchase there

are 79 cents each IF you subscribe to the music subscription service

for $4.99 per month. With that, you have access to a ton of songs at

no extra charge and can transfer them to an MP3 player, but you are

only "renting" songs. You can listen as long as you keep the

subscription current. But if you buy a song, then you keep it. If you

don't subscribe to Yahoo Music Unlimited, songs are 99 cents each. I

like the ease of iTunes and allofmp3 better, but that's just MHO. I'd

rather not deal with a subscription service.

Jennifer

June 3, 2007

I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the NOTR

it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found a

statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road by a

spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found high

level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm )

but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda or any

other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and Baltimore

is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

Denny Gibson

Cincinnati, OH

www.DennyGibson.com

June 3, 2007

Denny,

From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

There is also a current map link.

The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in Bethesda,

Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the monument

is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the neighboring

Post Office parking lot.

This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker was

then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

The inscriptions read:

(North Face)

THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

IN AMERICA

BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

POTOMAC RIVER,

GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

LEADING OUR PIONEERS

ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

TO THE PACIFIC.

The inscription continues:

"TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

- Arline Nichols Moss

(South Face)

OVER THIS HIGHWAY

MARCHED THE ARMY OF

MAJOR GENERAL

EDWARD BRADDOCK

APRIL 14-1755

ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

ypsi-slim

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

writes:

I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the

NOTR

it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found a

statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road by

a

spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found

high

level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm )

but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda or

any

other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

Baltimore

is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

Denny Gibson

Cincinnati, OH

www.DennyGibson.com

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June 3, 2007

Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not quite what I

was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR through

that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps that I've

found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at Frederick with

more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed NOTR

maps somewhere.

BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her normal

home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

recall reading something about her return in the last month or so but a

quick scan turned up nothing just now.

Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link given (

http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him a note

about it earlier today.

Thanks for the response,

Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

>

> Denny,

>

> From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> There is also a current map link.

>

> The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in Bethesda,

> Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the monument

> is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the neighboring

> Post Office parking lot.

>

> This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker was

> then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> The inscriptions read:

> (North Face)

> THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> IN AMERICA

> BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> POTOMAC RIVER,

> GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> TO THE PACIFIC.

> The inscription continues:

> "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> - Arline Nichols Moss

> (South Face)

> OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> MAJOR GENERAL

> EDWARD BRADDOCK

> APRIL 14-1755

> ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

>

> ypsi-slim

>

> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

> writes:

> I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

> eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

>

> I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

> Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the

> NOTR

> it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found a

> statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road by

> a

> spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found

> high

> level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm )

> but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda or

> any

> other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> Baltimore

> is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

>

> Denny Gibson

> Cincinnati, OH

> www.DennyGibson.com

June 3, 2007

I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

NOTR, plus there was a

booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can scan

them for you.

ypsi-slim

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

writes:

Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not quite what

I

was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR through

that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps that I've

found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at Frederick with

more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

NOTR

maps somewhere.

BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her normal

home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

recall reading something about her return in the last month or so but a

quick scan turned up nothing just now.

Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link given

(

http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him a note

about it earlier today.

Thanks for the response,

Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

>

> Denny,

>

> From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> There is also a current map link.

>

> The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in Bethesda,

> Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

monument

> is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the neighboring

> Post Office parking lot.

>

> This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker was

> then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> The inscriptions read:

> (North Face)

> THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> IN AMERICA

> BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> POTOMAC RIVER,

> GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> TO THE PACIFIC.

> The inscription continues:

> "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> - Arline Nichols Moss

> (South Face)

> OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> MAJOR GENERAL

> EDWARD BRADDOCK

> APRIL 14-1755

> ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

>

> ypsi-slim

>

> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

<denny@dennygibson.com>

> writes:

> I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

> eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

>

> I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

> Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the

> NOTR

> it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found

a

> statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road

by

> a

> spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found

> high

> level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

)

> but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda

or

> any

> other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> Baltimore

> is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

>

> Denny Gibson

> Cincinnati, OH

> www.DennyGibson.com

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June 3, 2007

This isn't anything critical so do limit your efforts but if you do come

across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this (and

it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of surprised at

the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

--Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

>

> I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

> NOTR, plus there was a

> booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can scan

> them for you.

>

> ypsi-slim

>

> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

> writes:

> Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not quite what

> I

> was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

> question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR through

> that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps that I've

> found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at Frederick with

> more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

> NOTR

> maps somewhere.

>

> BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her normal

> home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

> recall reading something about her return in the last month or so but a

> quick scan turned up nothing just now.

>

> Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

> predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link given

> (

> http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him a note

> about it earlier today.

>

> Thanks for the response,

> Denny

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> >

> > Denny,

> >

> > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> > There is also a current map link.

> >

> > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in Bethesda,

> > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

> monument

> > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the neighboring

> > Post Office parking lot.

> >

> > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker was

> > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> > The inscriptions read:

> > (North Face)

> > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> > IN AMERICA

> > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> > POTOMAC RIVER,

> > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> > TO THE PACIFIC.

> > The inscription continues:

> > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> > - Arline Nichols Moss

> > (South Face)

> > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> > MAJOR GENERAL

> > EDWARD BRADDOCK

> > APRIL 14-1755

> > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

> >

> > ypsi-slim

> >

> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> <denny@dennygibson.com>

> > writes:

> > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

> > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

> >

> > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

> > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the

> > NOTR

> > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found

> a

> > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road

> by

> > a

> > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found

> > high

> > level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

> )

> > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda

> or

> > any

> > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> > Baltimore

> > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

> >

> > Denny Gibson

> > Cincinnati, OH

> > www.DennyGibson.com

June 3, 2007

I searched through some of my notes and came up with a few things. The

Madonna is on Braddock's road which went from DC to Cumberland and

then west. It was the precursor to the National Road. The site in

Bethesada for the Madonna was selected as it commemorated the site

where pioneers spent the first night out of Georgetown. There is a

map at the following link although I'm not sure it gives you anymore

information.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail09.htm

Cristy

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote:

>

> This isn't anything critical so do limit your efforts but if you do come

> across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this (and

> it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of

surprised at

> the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

>

> --Denny

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> >

> > I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

> > NOTR, plus there was a

> > booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can

scan

> > them for you.

> >

> > ypsi-slim

> >

> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@...>

> > writes:

> > Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not

quite what

> > I

> > was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

> > question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR

through

> > that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps

that I've

> > found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at

Frederick with

> > more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

> > NOTR

> > maps somewhere.

> >

> > BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her

normal

> > home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

> > recall reading something about her return in the last month or so

but a

> > quick scan turned up nothing just now.

> >

> > Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

> > predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link

given

> > (

> > http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him

a note

> > about it earlier today.

> >

> > Thanks for the response,

> > Denny

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> > >

> > > Denny,

> > >

> > > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> > > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> > > There is also a current map link.

> > >

> > > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in

Bethesda,

> > > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> > > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

> > monument

> > > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the

neighboring

> > > Post Office parking lot.

> > >

> > > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote

speaker was

> > > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> > > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> > > The inscriptions read:

> > > (North Face)

> > > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> > > IN AMERICA

> > > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> > > POTOMAC RIVER,

> > > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> > > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> > > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> > > TO THE PACIFIC.

> > > The inscription continues:

> > > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> > > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> > > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> > > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> > > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> > > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> > > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> > > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> > > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> > > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> > > - Arline Nichols Moss

> > > (South Face)

> > > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> > > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> > > MAJOR GENERAL

> > > EDWARD BRADDOCK

> > > APRIL 14-1755

> > > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

> > >

> > > ypsi-slim

> > >

> > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> > <denny@...>

> > > writes:

> > > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information

on the

> > > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

> > >

> > > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail

ended up in

> > > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map

of the

> > > NOTR

> > > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact,

I found

> > a

> > > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old

Trails Road

> > by

> > > a

> > > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've

found

> > > high

> > > level maps (such as

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

> > )

> > > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing

Bethesda

> > or

> > > any

> > > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> > > Baltimore

> > > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

> > >

> > > Denny Gibson

> > > Cincinnati, OH

> > > www.DennyGibson.com

>

June 3, 2007

Hi Denny,

I have a 1933 ALA Automotive Green book that shows a general route from

Washington, DC, thru Bethesda to Rockville - route number shown is 240.

From the looks of a current map that route number is now MD 355 - or it's

buried under I-270.

In the trip section the directions are as follows:

Washington DC to Harrisburg via Frederick and Gettysburg:

0.0 - Washington DC, US HWY 250

At capitol. First St. and Penn Ave - West on Penn Ave

1.1 - Treasury Building. Str. on Treasury Place

1.2 - R - Passing White House

1.4 - L - on Pennsylvania Ave.

1.6 - R - on 175y St. N. W.

1.9 - Bear L on Connecticut Ave

2.4 - Du Pont Circl. R around Circle with Conn. Ave.

3.0 - Keep L across viaduct

4.1 - Zoological Park

6.8 - Chevy Chase, MD - straight ahead

6.9 - Str. ahead keeping R around circle

7.6 - L on Bradley Lane

8.4 - R on Wisconsin Ave.

8.9 - Bethesda. Str. ahead

9.0 - Keep R on Rockville Pike

13.1 - Harper Country Club

16.6 - Str. on E. Montgomery Street

16.9 - Rockville

At 45.7 - to go to Harrisburg go straight on No. Market Street. L for

Hagerstown U.S. Hwy 40

Have fun.

Hudsonly,

Alex B

Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote: This isn't anything

critical so do limit your efforts but if you do come

across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this (and

it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of surprised at

the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

--Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

>

> I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

> NOTR, plus there was a

> booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can scan

> them for you.

>

> ypsi-slim

>

> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

> writes:

> Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not quite what

> I

> was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

> question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR through

> that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps that I've

> found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at Frederick with

> more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

> NOTR

> maps somewhere.

>

> BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her normal

> home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

> recall reading something about her return in the last month or so but a

> quick scan turned up nothing just now.

>

> Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

> predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link given

> (

> http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him a note

> about it earlier today.

>

> Thanks for the response,

> Denny

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> >

> > Denny,

> >

> > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> > There is also a current map link.

> >

> > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in Bethesda,

> > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

> monument

> > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the neighboring

> > Post Office parking lot.

> >

> > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker was

> > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> > The inscriptions read:

> > (North Face)

> > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> > IN AMERICA

> > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> > POTOMAC RIVER,

> > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> > TO THE PACIFIC.

> > The inscription continues:

> > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> > - Arline Nichols Moss

> > (South Face)

> > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> > MAJOR GENERAL

> > EDWARD BRADDOCK

> > APRIL 14-1755

> > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

> >

> > ypsi-slim

> >

> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> <denny@dennygibson.com>

> > writes:

> > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information on the

> > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

> >

> > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended up in

> > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of the

> > NOTR

> > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I found

> a

> > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails Road

> by

> > a

> > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've found

> > high

> > level maps (such as http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

> )

> > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing Bethesda

> or

> > any

> > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> > Baltimore

> > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

> >

> > Denny Gibson

> > Cincinnati, OH

> > www.DennyGibson.com

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I hadn't heard the "first night" stop explanation before. Makes sense. I had

seen the "trail09" map before. It's one of those high level maps that leave

you guessing about specifics. The map's marking of Braddock's road is

certainly interesting. Most descriptions identify Braddock's Road as

starting in Cumberland and heading west. Of course, he had to get there from

Alexandria but I haven't found anything that details his path much east of

Cumberland.

Thanks,

Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Cristy [mailto:clfritz@yahoo.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:08 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: NOTR question

>

> I searched through some of my notes and came up with a few things. The

> Madonna is on Braddock's road which went from DC to Cumberland and

> then west. It was the precursor to the National Road. The site in

> Bethesada for the Madonna was selected as it commemorated the site

> where pioneers spent the first night out of Georgetown. There is a

> map at the following link although I'm not sure it gives you anymore

> information.

>

> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail09.htm

>

> Cristy

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote:

> >

> > This isn't anything critical so do limit your efforts but if you do come

> > across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this (and

> > it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of

> surprised at

> > the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

> >

> > --Denny

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

> > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> > >

> > > I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

> > > NOTR, plus there was a

> > > booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can

> scan

> > > them for you.

> > >

> > > ypsi-slim

> > >

> > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" <denny@...>

> > > writes:

> > > Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not

> quite what

> > > I

> > > was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

> > > question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR

> through

> > > that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps

> that I've

> > > found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at

> Frederick with

> > > more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

> > > NOTR

> > > maps somewhere.

> > >

> > > BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her

> normal

> > > home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

> > > recall reading something about her return in the last month or so

> but a

> > > quick scan turned up nothing just now.

> > >

> > > Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

> > > predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link

> given

> > > (

> > > http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him

> a note

> > > about it earlier today.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the response,

> > > Denny

> > >

> > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> > > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> > > >

> > > > Denny,

> > > >

> > > > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> > > > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> > > > There is also a current map link.

> > > >

> > > > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in

> Bethesda,

> > > > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> > > > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

> > > monument

> > > > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the

> neighboring

> > > > Post Office parking lot.

> > > >

> > > > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote

> speaker was

> > > > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> > > > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> > > > The inscriptions read:

> > > > (North Face)

> > > > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> > > > IN AMERICA

> > > > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> > > > POTOMAC RIVER,

> > > > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> > > > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> > > > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> > > > TO THE PACIFIC.

> > > > The inscription continues:

> > > > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> > > > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> > > > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> > > > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> > > > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> > > > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> > > > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> > > > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> > > > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> > > > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> > > > - Arline Nichols Moss

> > > > (South Face)

> > > > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> > > > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> > > > MAJOR GENERAL

> > > > EDWARD BRADDOCK

> > > > APRIL 14-1755

> > > > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

> > > >

> > > > ypsi-slim

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> > > <denny@...>

> > > > writes:

> > > > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information

> on the

> > > > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

> > > >

> > > > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail

> ended up in

> > > > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map

> of the

> > > > NOTR

> > > > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact,

> I found

> > > a

> > > > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old

> Trails Road

> > > by

> > > > a

> > > > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've

> found

> > > > high

> > > > level maps (such as

> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

> > > )

> > > > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing

> Bethesda

> > > or

> > > > any

> > > > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> > > > Baltimore

> > > > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Denny Gibson

> > > > Cincinnati, OH

> > > > www.DennyGibson.com

June 3, 2007

US-240 was part of it according to Dave Schul (

http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/fac/schul...ional/notr.html ).

US-240 no longer exists and Robert Droz's "big table" says US 15, I-270,

MD-355, & US 50 replaced it. DeLorme SA shows MD-355 ending just a couple of

miles south of Bethesda but I'm guessing the US-240 continued on Wisconsin

Ave. Does your Green Book show that? Does it show US-240 crossing US-1 at

some point?

Thanks,

Denny

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Alex Burr [mailto:hester_nec@yahoo.com]

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:14 PM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

>

> Hi Denny,

>

> I have a 1933 ALA Automotive Green book that shows a general

> route from Washington, DC, thru Bethesda to Rockville - route

> number shown is 240.

>

> From the looks of a current map that route number is now MD

> 355 - or it's buried under I-270.

>

> In the trip section the directions are as follows:

>

> Washington DC to Harrisburg via Frederick and Gettysburg:

> 0.0 - Washington DC, US HWY 250

> At capitol. First St. and Penn Ave - West on Penn Ave

> 1.1 - Treasury Building. Str. on Treasury Place

> 1.2 - R - Passing White House

> 1.4 - L - on Pennsylvania Ave.

> 1.6 - R - on 175y St. N. W.

> 1.9 - Bear L on Connecticut Ave

> 2.4 - Du Pont Circl. R around Circle with Conn. Ave.

> 3.0 - Keep L across viaduct

> 4.1 - Zoological Park

> 6.8 - Chevy Chase, MD - straight ahead

> 6.9 - Str. ahead keeping R around circle

> 7.6 - L on Bradley Lane

> 8.4 - R on Wisconsin Ave.

> 8.9 - Bethesda. Str. ahead

> 9.0 - Keep R on Rockville Pike

> 13.1 - Harper Country Club

> 16.6 - Str. on E. Montgomery Street

> 16.9 - Rockville

> At 45.7 - to go to Harrisburg go straight on No. Market

> Street. L for Hagerstown U.S. Hwy 40

>

> Have fun.

>

> Hudsonly,

> Alex B

>

> Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote: This isn't

> anything critical so do limit your efforts but if you do come

> across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this (and

> it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of

> surprised at

> the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

>

> --Denny

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> >

> > I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of the

> > NOTR, plus there was a

> > booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess

> I can scan

> > them for you.

> >

> > ypsi-slim

> >

> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> <denny@dennygibson.com>

> > writes:

> > Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's

> not quite what

> > I

> > was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

> > question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the

> NOTR through

> > that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of

> maps that I've

> > found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at

> Frederick with

> > more or less straight lines between them. There must be more detailed

> > NOTR

> > maps somewhere.

> >

> > BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from

> her normal

> > home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole. I

> > recall reading something about her return in the last month

> or so but a

> > quick scan turned up nothing just now.

> >

> > Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

> > predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the

> link given

> > (

> > http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped

> him a note

> > about it earlier today.

> >

> > Thanks for the response,

> > Denny

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@juno.com]

> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

> > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

> > >

> > > Denny,

> > >

> > > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

> > > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

> > > There is also a current map link.

> > >

> > > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in

> Bethesda,

> > > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

> > > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

> > monument

> > > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the

> neighboring

> > > Post Office parking lot.

> > >

> > > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote

> speaker was

> > > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

> > > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

> > > The inscriptions read:

> > > (North Face)

> > > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

> > > IN AMERICA

> > > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

> > > POTOMAC RIVER,

> > > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

> > > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

> > > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

> > > TO THE PACIFIC.

> > > The inscription continues:

> > > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

> > > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

> > > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

> > > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

> > > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

> > > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

> > > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

> > > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

> > > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

> > > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

> > > - Arline Nichols Moss

> > > (South Face)

> > > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

> > > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

> > > MAJOR GENERAL

> > > EDWARD BRADDOCK

> > > APRIL 14-1755

> > > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

> > >

> > > ypsi-slim

> > >

> > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

> > <denny@dennygibson.com>

> > > writes:

> > > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for

> information on the

> > > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

> > >

> > > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail

> ended up in

> > > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed

> map of the

> > > NOTR

> > > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In

> fact, I found

> > a

> > > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old

> Trails Road

> > by

> > > a

> > > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question.

> I've found

> > > high

> > > level maps (such as

> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

> > )

> > > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or

> missing Bethesda

> > or

> > > any

> > > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

> > > Baltimore

> > > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

> > >

> > > Denny Gibson

> > > Cincinnati, OH

> > > www.DennyGibson.com

>

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June 3, 2007

Old US 77 South of OKC is indeed a trip! I have often taken this old 2-lane

highway, instead of I-35, when returning home from Route 66 trips, and enjoy

the quiet drive thru the OK countryside.

Since the early 1980s, I've shot photos of old gas stations, cafes and even

a section of one-lane slab road! I followed old 77 last spring, and most

of the old stations are still there, in small towns like Pauls Valley and

Davis. The climb over the mountains by Turner Falls is a roadie treat.

Hooray for two-lanes!

McJerry

June 3, 2007

GREAT News Jim....

Chet

On 3/17/06 11:30 PM, "jim conkle" <jimconkle@verizon.net> wrote:

> Good evening,

>

> It is my pleasure to announce that we have reached an agreement with Universal

> City Walk to host a Route 66 event the first week end in October of each year.

> This will not be your usual show and shine type car show and will be limited

> to cars of the stars and cars that are stars. There will be a route 66 Theme

> and you are all invited to join the Route 66 Preservation Foundation on this

> gala week end.

>

> All Authors/Artists/Craftspeople/Roadies/Associations will gather not to far

> off Route 66 to celebrate and share our passion for the Preservation,

> Restoration and Enjoyment of The Mother Road. We will have a web site devoted

> to this event as well as coverage in the new Route 66 Pulse the Heartbeat of

> America's Mother Road.

>

> If you would like more information please contact me. So make your plans now

> to be in North Hollywood to see, meet and enjoy the 'THE CARS and STARS car

> show.

>

> Take care and see you on the road.

>

> Thanks

>

> James M Conkle

> Preservationist-Speaker-Marketer-Spokesperson-Public Relations-Event Planner

> Route 66 Preservation Foundation

> Preservation of Historic Roads & Corridors

> P O Box 290066

> Phelan, CA 92329-0066

> 760 868 3320

> 760 617 3991 cell

> 760 868 8614 fax

> jimconkle@verizon.net

> www.cart66pf.org

>

> Universal CityWalk - Route 66 Festival - The Cars and Stars

> October 7th & 8th 2006

> Go West Young Man! The beaches, orange groves and glamour of Hollywood await

> you. Just hop in a car and go. And best of all! The trip will be fun. You can

> get your kicks on Route 66.

>

> The reason everyone took the westward journey was how it got you to the

> promised land of California-home of sunshine and movie stars. A place where

> living was easy and fun. It?s here in Hollywood that we can celebrate both the

> journey and the destination. The long drive on Route 66 actually brought you

> to the streets of Hollywood where the Mother Road still runs today.

>

> Come join the party with Cars and Stars at the Universal CityWalk October 7th

> & 8th! Where Route 66 comes alive with Hollywood style. Stroll the red carpet

> roadway and view ?Cars of the Stars?. Extravagant and Glamorous Limousines,

> Personalized Autos of the Rich and Famous. But, There?s more. Cars that are

> actually Stars. Wildly creative cars that have been customized to be rides to

> the Future or part of the Stone Age.

>

> Visitors will be taken on the romantic road trip where they will see

> Spectacular Billboards, Neon Signs, Antique Service Stations, Teepee-shaped

> Motels, Nostalgic Diners. Snapshots of people and places in time mixed with

> the freedom of the open road and the ecstasy of America?s love of Sightseeing.

>

June 3, 2007

Chet,

Bill Gates will be getting in touch with you in the next week or so. Good

luck with the interview.

Your friend,

Jim Conkle

-----Original Message-----

From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chet Nichols II

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:22 AM

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Announcement

GREAT News Jim....

Chet

On 3/17/06 11:30 PM, "jim conkle" <jimconkle@verizon.net> wrote:

> Good evening,

>

> It is my pleasure to announce that we have reached an agreement with

Universal

> City Walk to host a Route 66 event the first week end in October of each

year.

> This will not be your usual show and shine type car show and will be

limited

> to cars of the stars and cars that are stars. There will be a route 66

Theme

> and you are all invited to join the Route 66 Preservation Foundation on

this

> gala week end.

>

> All Authors/Artists/Craftspeople/Roadies/Associations will gather not to

far

> off Route 66 to celebrate and share our passion for the Preservation,

> Restoration and Enjoyment of The Mother Road. We will have a web site

devoted

> to this event as well as coverage in the new Route 66 Pulse the

Heartbeat of

> America's Mother Road.

>

> If you would like more information please contact me. So make your plans

now

> to be in North Hollywood to see, meet and enjoy the 'THE CARS and STARS

car

> show.

>

> Take care and see you on the road.

>

> Thanks

>

> James M Conkle

> Preservationist-Speaker-Marketer-Spokesperson-Public Relations-Event

Planner

> Route 66 Preservation Foundation

> Preservation of Historic Roads & Corridors

> P O Box 290066

> Phelan, CA 92329-0066

> 760 868 3320

> 760 617 3991 cell

> 760 868 8614 fax

> jimconkle@verizon.net

> www.cart66pf.org

>

> Universal CityWalk - Route 66 Festival - The Cars and Stars

> October 7th & 8th 2006

> Go West Young Man! The beaches, orange groves and glamour of Hollywood

await

> you. Just hop in a car and go. And best of all! The trip will be fun.

You can

> get your kicks on Route 66.

>

> The reason everyone took the westward journey was how it got you to the

> promised land of California-home of sunshine and movie stars. A place

where

> living was easy and fun. It?s here in Hollywood that we can celebrate

both the

> journey and the destination. The long drive on Route 66 actually brought

you

> to the streets of Hollywood where the Mother Road still runs today.

>

> Come join the party with Cars and Stars at the Universal CityWalk

October 7th

> & 8th! Where Route 66 comes alive with Hollywood style. Stroll the red

carpet

> roadway and view ?Cars of the Stars?. Extravagant and Glamorous

Limousines,

> Personalized Autos of the Rich and Famous. But, There?s more. Cars that

are

> actually Stars. Wildly creative cars that have been customized to be

rides to

> the Future or part of the Stone Age.

>

> Visitors will be taken on the romantic road trip where they will see

> Spectacular Billboards, Neon Signs, Antique Service Stations,

Teepee-shaped

> Motels, Nostalgic Diners. Snapshots of people and places in time mixed

with

> the freedom of the open road and the ecstasy of America?s love of

Sightseeing.

>

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June 3, 2007

Jerry, do you know what I'm talking about with that Art Deco gas

station in Pauls Valley? Do you know much about it? Emily took a

picture of it, but we haven't developed the film yet.

Ron Warnick

Tulsa, OK

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry McClanahan"

<jerrymc66@e...> wrote:

> Old US 77 South of OKC is indeed a trip! I have often taken this

old 2-lane

> highway, instead of I-35, when returning home from Route 66 trips,

and enjoy

> the quiet drive thru the OK countryside.

>

> Since the early 1980s, I've shot photos of old gas stations, cafes

and even

> a section of one-lane slab road! I followed old 77 last spring,

and most

> of the old stations are still there, in small towns like Pauls

Valley and

> Davis. The climb over the mountains by Turner Falls is a roadie treat.

> Hooray for two-lanes!

>

> McJerry

June 3, 2007

Folks, soon will come down one of the best courts along Route 66. But

don't worry, the architect is "creating new history." Twenty-two,

2-story, upscale, Glendale-esque Mediterranean housing units, which

are sure to dwarf the former gas station like a fat, taupe-colored

elephant with the shingles -- that is red-tiled shingles. JWM,

drivetheost.com

City OKs infill project at Route 66 site

http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local_state...564,ALBQ_19859_

4549459,00.html

By Erik Siemers

Tribune Reporter

March 17, 2006

The historic Horn Oil Co. and Lodge west of Downtown is one of the

last of its kind: a Route 66-era complex that once offered food, gas

and lodging.

But a decision by the city's Environmental Planning Commission on

Thursday means the lodging part of the complex will be no more.

The commission approved the site plan proposed by Albuquerque

developer Infill Solutions to use the Horn Oil property, 1720 Central

Ave. S.W., as part of a 4.5-acre residential and commercial

development called Country Club Plaza.

As part of the project, Infill Solutions will restore two Horn Oil

structures that front Central Avenue, making them available for

commercial use.

But the 22-unit motor lodge portion of the site will be demolished for

17 houses and "urban villas," according to plans submitted to the

city. The development includes 32 loft-style town houses elsewhere in

the project and will create a total of 11,000 square feet of

commercial space.

"We see our project as a preservation project," said Christopher

Calott, an architect and partner in Infill Solutions.

The Horn Oil property is caught between the broader desire for

historic preservation and the need to revitalize a section of the city

linking Downtown to Old Town, Calott said.

As a compromise, Carmen Marrone, a senior planner for the city,

suggested the developer could keep six of the motor lodge units -

which are rented out weekly and monthly. She had recommended the

commission defer the issue.

But the developer wouldn't have the time to rework the site plan

before agreements to purchase the land expired, she said.

As a result, the commission voted 6-2 in favor of the plan after a

three-hour hearing. Commissioners Klarissa Pe?a of southwest

Albuquerque and Jonathan Siegel of the North Valley voted against the

plan, Marrone said.

"In the end, the (commission) felt revitalization, infill and public

safety were more valuable," Marrone said.

The Horn Oil site is on both the State Register of Cultural Properties

and the National Register of Historic Places. But it's not considered

a city landmark, a designation that provides more stringent levels of

protection.

According to historic records, the buildings were constructed in 1946

and 1947, during the heart of post-war Route 66 tourism.

What makes the site unique is its inclusion of two distinct styles of

Route 66-era architecture: a "moderne" style gas station fronting a

"pueblo revival" tourist court.

Jerry Ueckert, an Edgewood resident and member of the Route 66 Chamber

of Commerce, a national group of Route 66 enthusiasts, said the Horn

Oil site is one of the few remaining examples from that era with the

gas station and motor court combined.

"Just by that, I would weigh in for the preservation of it," Ueckert

said. "It's probably the last one of its type with the motor court."

Of the parts that will be revitalized, one section now serves as a bus

depot and the other is a cafe, according to city planning documents.

Calott said the refurbished building will include retail space and an

office for his development company, and will keep an existing malt shop.

It's the motor lodge, though, that has proved problematic. In 2005,

the site was the source of 225 disturbance calls, including a murder,

stabbings, drug infractions and sex offenses, according to city records.

"The neighborhood is finished with the crime and deterioration of that

part of Central," said Lynn Hightower, president of the Huning Castle

Neighborhood Association, which supports the development.

The demolition of the motor court units could threaten its historic

designations, which means the developer wouldn't be eligible for

federal and state tax credits for rehabilitating any of the historic

buildings, Marrone said.

Calott said they would do what they can to keep the designations.

And while a historic part of the structure will be gone, Calott

maintains that their new development will help revitalize the Route 66

corridor.

"We're adding to the history. We're creating new history," Calott

said. "Route 66 is not a dead corridor."

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