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Good list!
How about 10 Degrees and Getting Colder by Gordon Lightfoot under the Hitchhiking heading?
He was standing by the highway
With a sign that just said “Mother”
When he heard a driver coming
About a half a mile away
And he held the sign up higher
So no decent soul could miss it
It was ten degrees or colder
Down by Bolder Dam that day
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Now he’s traded off his Martin
But his troubles are not over
For his feet are almost frozen
And the sun is sinking low
Won’t you listen to me brother
If you ever loved your Mother
Please pull of on the shoulder
if you’re going Milwaukee way
Its 10 degrees and getting colder
Down by Bolder Dam today
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I tried linking to the gallery, but that did not work, so I linked to my personal web page and posted the photos there in a new directory named ARpix. It would be nicer if I could post photos in the gallery and then link the gallery as you said.
Tomorrow's trip will be first time using my new ride, my 1962 TR3B. I am taking it to a British car show in Hellertown PA. I have had the car just a bit more than a month after it spent a number of years in Arizona. I will probably post photos of that on my own Triumph car page.
You lucky son of a gun! Do me a favor and take a few road shots over the steering wheel and post them. If I can’t own one, at least I can pretend!
I had a black 1958 MGA with wire wheels when I was in graduate school. I’d give a hundred bucks just to take one up through the gears. I have had at least three roadsters since and none compared. A few friends had TR3’s but they cost a bit more.
As I said, you lucky son of a gun!
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Dave,
Thanks for sharing the trip. It is also nice to see what the area looks like in June!
Sorry to learn the hearse is in regular use
!As an aside, how did you link to the gallery? I like the idea. Did you cut and paste the URL, or what?
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OK, time to chime in here. I learned Roadology 101 from Route 66 professors Jim Ross and Jerry McClanahan. Jerry was out digging up old alignments of 66 back in the early 80's before the Route 66 Revival even began. I sent both of them the link to this thread to see if there's anything they'd like to add (in the hopes they'd reply here!) and this is what I got from "McJerry":
Looks pretty good, Pat, although there are always exceptions to the rule!
"And anytime you approach a cut or fill, look left or right because the old road went around, not across or through."
This is generally excellent advice, but there are some exceptions, like the "big cut" on the early route between Santa Fe and Albuquerque. Here was a huge cut that the old road did go thru.
Also, while the "old road" did go thru the center of towns, by the time the US Highways came around, some of those downtown routes had already been bypassed. Odell Illinois is an example, where SH 4, which became 66, was routed to bypass downtown.
Just two minor quibbles, which probably don't really need to be included.
This list of tips sure takes me back to my early days of Route-spotting.
Memories.
McJerry
PS: mention might be made of the help offered by the aerial photos on Terraserver.
By the way, Jerry & Jim collaborated on the "Here It Is" 8-map series covering Route 66 from Chicago to LA (available at the American Road online Hitching Post) and did a great video "Bones of the Old Road", which they illustrate on-the-scene finds of various old alignments of 66. The video is a must for those of us fascinated with old alignments.
Roadmavern,
I think the experts were far too kind concerning the parts above that I contributed! There are plenty of exceptions to what I suggested, and I hope that I have avoided using words like “always “and “never.” There are certainly some amazing cuts that clearly break the “rules.” And I continue to try to find the one I once glimpsed from the freeway coming over Stagecoach Pass in Oregon.
Terraserver, Google Earth, and now Microsoft Live Maps are nothing short of terrific as aids. The combination of modern high quality maps with high resolution color satellite imagery is beyond belief as a tool.
Any and all additions and corrections are more than welcome, they are solicited.. The objective was, and continues to be, to gather here a collection of hints that can be restructured into a coherent guide for members trying to find and follow the old roads. Mobilene has offered to help make that happen.
I want to throw in some map and road guide suggestions as well, and add illustrative photos as I get the time.
Thanks for your interest and for helping make the oppportunity to share available via the forum.
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Is it basically true that banks, hotels, train depots, and schoolhouses tended all to be on what was (at least at one time) the main road through town?
Often, but I should have been clearer. What I was trying to do was identify those structures the old guide books typically used as “landmarks” or “controls” in giving their directions and distances. It was like “0.0 miles Starting at the bank..” ” or at “3.7 miles Pass school on the left” or at “8.2 miles Turn right with trolley.”
Here is a typical early (1915) Northwest Automobile Blue Book page. Note the use of schools, hotels and garages as landmarks (and mail boxes on a tree!) to mark mileages and turns.
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Wow! What a great list. I never knew about the roadside fountains before. Thinking back, I now recognize some garages and at least one old gas station (that looked kind of like a house in 3/4 scale) that I saw east of Terre Haute.
jim
I commented in a prior post in this thread concerning the more obvious roadside artifacts, e.g. old hotels, garages, service stations, and water fountains. I want to apologize in advance for this “stream of consciousness.” My purpose is to get some of this material out there so that it can be later organized and restructured into a better presentation for others to use.
There is of course a whole class of structures that carried the road over or under something, such as bridges, underpasses, culverts, viaducts, etc. There is in fact a national bridge inventory site on the internet that attempts to identify, date, and describe each old road bridge in the country. As has been noted by RoadHound, bridges are often dated in the concrete or on a plaque attached to the bridge. The road is at least as old as the bridge, but roads often existed for a long time before streams were bridged, and older bridges were replaced with newer. Books have been written about bridges, no doubt several times over.
A little different class of roadside artifact is the landmark cited in a route guide. It is a kick to follow a very old road using an old road guide that identifies turns by reference to a barn, a windmill, a schoolhouse, a spring, a tavern or a farmhouse. Occasionally the landmark still exists.
Before roads were well signed (generally before the early to mid 1920’s), road guides were published that gave detailed descriptions of the road between two points. If you were setting off for a 100 mile drive between town X and town Y, you consulted your Automobile Blue Book, Mixers Guide, or Tib”s Guide. They gave you mileages between control points, or landmarks, and told you where to turn. They were quite exact and can often be followed even today. I intend to discuss them, and how to acquire them in a future post.
I use the old automobile Blue Books often because old maps are not usually available with as much detail. Maybe some day there will be something called “old road orienteering!” If so, I claim charter membership.
Banks, hotels, garages, post offices, railroad stations, and schoolhouses are the most common old landmarks cited in old road guides. Telephone lines and trolley lines were also frequently used to guide the traveler.
In our area (western US) , and it may be true elsewhere, the old community bank was typically on a corner and the front had a 45 degree cut on the face of the building at the corner where the door enters. In fact, I know of no other class of old buildings that was so designed, so it is easy to spot the bank used as a road guide control point.
Hotels were often the most prominent building in town. They seem today to be disproportionately large for the size of some of the towns you find them in. They are often multi storied and quite elaborate. One of the things we don’t always realize today is that the old hotel was the business center of the community as well as the place where people stayed.
In a day when we do business via the internet we don’t often recognize the importance of the traveling salesman. His business was conducted at the old hotel, and they had rooms just for the display of his goods. Many old newspapers announced which salesmen were in town so that potential customers knew and could drop into the hotel to inspect the merchandise.
Incidentally, the hotel and the garage to store your automobile went hand in hand, sometimes in the same building complex, but almost certainly nearby.
Old train depots are among the most cherished and recognized old roadside landmarks. Today we seldom recognize the importance of the railroads as movers of people. As you follow the old roads using the old guides, railroad stations, often long gone, are frequently used as mileage markers . Railroad stations aren’t difficult to spot. Even when the buildings are gone, the large cleared area beside the track or abandoned track bed with foundations or other remnants is not too difficult to identify.
And what we call a railroad with its steam engines was not the only rail user. The interurban line with big trolley or streetcar type vehicles was the lifeline of many communities and often went for many miles into the countryside, connecting a bigger city with many smaller towns. Both the rail line and the stations are old landmarks in the guides.
School houses are among the more charming landmarks along the old road, and it least in the west you can add old Grange buildings to the list of prominent landmarks. Both represent a day when our population was predominately rural. School houses and granges are frequently set all by themselves in an otherwise vacant area. Sometimes the old outhouse survives as well.
There are books that describe the old one room school and I can’t imagine that anyone has much problem recognizing a schoolhouse, often with its bell tower. Churches may be mistaken occasionally for a school house and vice versa, but my experience suggests that churches were more often in town and the one room schoolhouse more often alone in the countryside.
The general mercantile store is another category of old road landmark at least in the west. It was common for a mercantile store to be situated at a crossroads, or of course in a town. At least in the west they often followed in appearance the stereotypical false front style. I know of perhaps a dozen that are still in business in some pretty quiet places, but one by one they are disappearing.
We don’t have diners often in the west, but clearly they are another important category of roadside artifact, which I hope someone more familiar with them will describe. I realize there are several varieties, but a description is beyond my “expertise.”
In a few small towns in the west, there are stone pillars, occasionally crowned with a ball or lamp, that sit on each side of the old road’s entrance to the town. I have even seen them in the middle of a vacant field, telling me that the old road once traveled that way. It is common for the name of the town or the word “Welcome” to be written in smaller stones in the pillars.
I’m sure it is getting a little “specialized” to consider guard rails as roadside artifacts that help identify an old road, but they are a part of the built environment along the old road. In the northwest the most common old guard rails are of three types, round cement posts, rectangular wooden posts with mitered tops, and fence like barriers with two or three flat board rails secured to posts. The first two are connected with cables that are held in place with U clamps. Remnants of weathered yellow, white, or black paint adhere to the old barriers.
In Oregon the old Columbia River Highway, built in about 1916 has lovely rock walls as barriers, and the same design is found on the old Pacific Highway (old US 99) near Oregon City, leading me to think they are of similar age.
An important artifact identified with the old road I want to mention here is the old sign. There are several types, from billboards down to US highway shields and painted auto trail markers. Most old road markers or direction signs don’t exist today outside museums or collections, but very rarely you find one “in the wild.” I included three in my Yellowstone Trail posts here that I saw in eastern Washington recently.
A more likely to see sign is on a building, above the height someone could pull it off or paint over it easily. In towns along almost any old road, look up at the sides of old brick buildings. They were the early billboards. The signs may identify the business, or as is often the case advertise cigars, beverages, farm implements, men’s coveralls, or automobiles.
And I almost forgot the patent medicine ads on old barns. Look at my recent Yellowstone Trail posts again for one near Waterville, Washington.
More coming, and I will add photos as time permits. In the meantime, Keep the Show on the Road!
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So, is this where you got your American Road name?
Speaking of WWII bombers, one of England's most-decorated RAF flyers died yesterday, Wallace McIntosh, age 87. He received the RAF's Distinguished Flying Medal once and Distinguished Flying Cross, RAFs highest award for valor, twice.
As a tail-gunner on a Lancaster, he is credited with seven kills of german fighters and one probable. His greatest moment of his 55 sorties, came on today's date in 1944, when he shot down three German planes by the beaches of D Day. This was a very crucial time.
Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog
This is off topic, but worth noting. The men and women who were involved in D Day on the ground, on the water, or in the sky deserve our respect and appreciation.
I have much of the memorabilia from Major Thomas Dale Hutchinson who was a wing commanded and later deputy commander of the 384th, including his pilot's logs, crew photos from his flights, and even some actual pre flight briefings for bomb raids over Nazi Germany. You can’t see and read such first hand materials without recognizing the day to day sacrifice those guys made routinely. And many didn’t come home.
That’s the rest of the story behind Keep the Show on the Road.
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Nicely done everyone! We have some real road sleuths on this Forum. Pat/Jennifer, we may need to do some honorary upgrades to "Road Warrior" or "Road Scholar."
Thanks Becky! You always make it worthwhile! And we are having fun besides.
Roadside artifacts as I call them, or roadside architecture as it is often called is fun to discover and identify.
Heritage travel, and perhaps a kind of nostalgia for the old days of splendor and perhaps excess has prompted the renovation of many old hotels. Under Lodging I just posted a 1913 photo of the French Lick Springs Hotel because its renovation and reopening is a current topic here. The hotel is a good example of a renovated classic old road hotel. There are many more.
Not all the old hotels are quite as easy to identify, but if you enjoy old post cards or have some of the old touring guides, it is fun to do a then and now thing. When I know I’m going to new territory by road, I try to check my references; my post cards of old hotels, Automobile Blue Books, and other guides. Then when I get into town I compare building facades and window and door placement against the old photos.
Look above the street level because the sidewalk level building face was often completely changed over the years to accommodate new businesses and styles. When you do look up, see if you can spot the old radio antenna poles. Remember before there was cable, there were rooftop TV antennas, and before TV antennas, there were radio antennas strung as wires between poles on the roof. I check the position and style of windows and the shape of the crown on the old building.
Garages are one special group of old roadside buildings because there are so closely tied to road travel. They are often treasured by old road groups, (eg the Altamont Garage in the Tracy, California area by Lincoln Highway Association members) and it is always fun to identify one that has a name in some historical reference. I spotted the Model Garage in Rosalia, Washington along the old Yellowstone Trail a few weeks ago and photographed it for one of my Yellowstone Trail posts.
Old garages are among the most evident roadside artifacts because they had to have big doors, just as did their predecessors, stables. Many old garages survive in other forms today, perhaps in part because they often had wide, tall window openings along the front which later were useful in merchandising. So look for often one story buildings with big wide doors and large windows facing the street. The Rosalia example has another sure give away, and that is the metal or concrete bumpers at each door edge to protect against drivers with poor aim.
Old service stations are fairly easy to spot because they had a pull through for the cars. Many styles exist, and I will attempt to post photos of a few prototypical examples Of course the earliest “stations” were hardware stores where gasoline was sold by the 5 gallon tin. And later it was dispensed from a wagon or cart that the seller rolled to the customer’s car. Not much is left of these examples, but a photo of the latter will follow as soon as I can scan and post it.
Water fountains were a special class of roadside structures and were actually the subject of design attention in the 1920’s and 30’s. The old fountain was often made of stone, and usually was found on a long grade where old cars suffered boiling radiators and vapor lock. Vapor lock occurred when the engine compartment got very hot on the grade and the metal tubes carrying gasoline heated up enough to cause the gasoline in them to boil. Then the mechanical fuel pump couldn’t pump the gasoline to the carburetor because it was a vapor, not a liquid. On a very hot day you were cautious not to stop on asphalt as the black surface had absorbed the heat and would cause the gas in the fuel lines under the car to also boil.
The solution to vapor lock or a boiling radiator was cold water, splashed on the gas lines, or poured over the radiator honeycomb before you released the cap. The unused fountains today are often in small groves of trees that were watered by the constantly running water. Of course they are located at a wide spot where it was possible to turn off the road. A few today still offer their sweet, cooling water.
Lots more roadside artifact hints to follow so Keep the Show on the Road and add your insights!
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They say that the most common excuses for getting lost in Indiana are that South Bend is in the north, North Bend is in the south, and French Lick ain't nothing like it sounds.
I imagine there is a book somewhere that uses the name French Lick in its many possible contexts, and your observations have only whetted my appetite for more.! But before Mom and Dad step in here and remind me of the rules, I want to add an item that might be of interest.
Is this the French Lick Hotel of which you speak, and who or what is Pluto?
This comes from a 1913 Automobile Blue Book. The numbers on the map are route numbers, not mileage. On request I will scan the detailed route descriptions, if anyone wants one or more.
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Every one a gem! And all apply in my experience in the west, not just to Indiana.
I like the idea of illustrating each with photos.
Let’s keep em coming. We are getting some good advice.
I will add some related stuff as I get time.
The satillite maps are really valuable. Google Earth is outstanding where they have the maps at high resolution. The 3D really helps!
Microsoft’s TerraServer also does a good job in B&W and has more maps at high resolution (although Google’s 3D color maps are catching up in the coverage category.)
Whether you use an on line map site like Google or a CD like Delorme’s Topos (which I find excellent), maps that show the terrain in 3D are very useful. Once you see the grades you can invariably pick out the logical main road route from among lots of offshoots and crossroads.
The older road followed the easiest grade. It did not climb over ridges or cross canyons it could avoid. A ridge or canyon is tough to identify on a standard 2D map, but in 3D you know immediately which is the logical route.
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Thanks, this has been extremely helpful.
Another thing that I look for to help to determine the age of the road is to check for a year stamped in the concrete of a bridge or overcrossing. Sometimes the year can be painted on as well, especially in more recent construction. It may not be completely accurate since a bridge can be built after a roadway is in place but it might help in estimating when a road was put into service.
Rick
Another good one! Thanks Roadhound.
I am starting to dig deeper now to remember how to identify the older road on the ground.
It seems in my memory that most of the time I’m looking down from the new road to the old. Maybe that’s because I’m driving a car without a sunroof and I can’t convince Sheila, Rose of the Road we need a convertible! But my experience tells me that coming up a canyon the old road will tend to stay nearer the creek bottom, and perhaps make a shorter, steeper climb at the end or head of the canyon. I can see the engineer saying should I try to grade and build shelves all the way up this canyon or weave around the big rocks in the bottom with minimal earth moving and make a final grade at the end.
Where there are two choices, I usually find the concrete road to be older than the asphalt road. I don’t know why, but I do know that the concrete people advertised like mad in the teens and into the 20’s. Concrete roads were a huge improvement and strongly promoted by such as the Lincoln highway Association. Maybe later, say in the 1940’s asphalt construction and maintenance costs maybe were lower. When I see a concrete road with the expansion joints, and perhaps rounded gutters, it is always older than its asphalt companion
Going through towns, RoadDog has already identified Main Street as the most likely candidate for the old road. Of course 1st, Adams, and Pioneer are also contenders. And when following a named road like the Pacific Highway (old US99) a street called Pacific is a big hint!
Big stately trees on both sides of the road are associated with the old road. If the road has been widened, there may be only one line of trees. Look for obviously planted lines of trees.
The older road went down further in the canyon to cross the creek, so that the bridge would be shorter. When you cross a wonderful 1930’s or 40’s high arched bridge, pull off at either end and look down in the canyon. Odds are fairly good you will see a riverside road that crosses the water on a short older bridge.
Old cars needed water for their radiators, and a boiling radiator was almost an expectation on a long grade when fans were belt driven (not run by electric motors). Thus the water fountain is dead giveaway on old roads on a grade. BTY we need a book on the old water fountains, if it hasn't been done.
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This is a good primer for locating old alignments.
We, as you said, always look for railroad tracks and the telephone poles. Also, we find that the old roads almost always went down the main street as a business proposition and, because they were often already paved.
Sometimes the old roads would have two or three alignments in a town before a bypass was added.
Keep on Down that Two Lane Road, --RoadDog
Helpful!! Usually Main Street, while the road beside the railroad was Front Street if it didn't have railraod in its name.
Thanks RoadDod! I appreciate it! And Keep the Show on the Road!
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I was driving from Des Plaines, Il, to my first job as a teacher in Round Lake, probably about 300 miles. I remember the lines, but most I was incensed at the doubling of gas prices to 70 cents. Ahhh! the Good Old Days. I do remember some lines, but never had too bad of a problem.
By the way, I was driving my first new car, a 1973 Ford Pinto...and, I lived to tell about it.
I wasn't born during WWII. By the way, tomorrow, June 6th, is the WWII anniversary of what event in 1944?
Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog
Invasion of Normandy, or in other words, D-Day. Thanks for the reminder!
Keep the Show on the Road was the motto of the 384th Heavy Bomb Group of B-17s flyimg out of Grafton Underwood, England .
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A couple of us want to invite all of us to share how we discover and recognize what I have called here “old road treasures.”
Treasures include first the old road itself, its former paths and routes, in short its former alignments. Treasures also includes built roadside artifacts, for example an old fountain for filling your radiator or even an old abandoned service station, or a dugway where the road crossed a creek.
When we have your insights together mobilene has promised to compile them into a coherent whole for all of us to use and enjoy.
So I will start it off with a few ways I recognize an old alignment
The old telephone lines followed the old road and didn’t move when the road was later realigned. Watch especially for posts with old ceramic or glass insulators, but follow the posts.
Figure the old road followed around a wetland or stream just above the high water mark, so look for a flat but curvy bed at about where you think the water reached its highest mark in winter.
The old road followed the old rail line if it could, to avoid grades. It often crossed and recrossed the rails to make it through narrow places.
The old road followed on the old rail bed if it was abandoned (and often across the old rail bridge, abandoned or not!).
A corollary to the above is that a very flat roadbed with no grades isn’t usually a highway bed but rather a railroad bed. Rail beds were often filled to a foot or more above the surrounding terrain to provide a flat and dry base. Few early auto roads enjoyed such an investment.
And anytime you approach a cut or fill, look left or right because the old road went around, not across or through.
Look on slopes for retaining walls of stacked rock or sometimes concrete. Because they didn't have bulldozers to cut in, they built out from the hill. (Look at my Yellowstone Trail post for a vintage "earth mover "of about 1915 and you see why.)
Obviously the trees and shrubs will usually be shorter in the old road bed, so if you look into a line of woods you can often spot the break in the tree line where the old road entered the woods.
In the desert I look for two parallel lines of sun blackened rock in the sand maybe 15 feet apart. They were either lightly graded from the road, or tossed out by traffic.
Look for rusted tin cans with soldered tops (drop of solder in the middle). They were tossed out many years ago along the old road.
I guess it is also self evident but the old road curves more, makes abrupt turns, and follows the contours on a grade.
In farm country, the old road followed the section lines and never ran across a farmer’s prime land. Look for the road that jogs left and right, It is older than a straight road through farm country.
The old roads connected towns and farms with towns, so the town wasn’t bypassed by the old road. The bypass isn’t the old road.
On a long grade, the old road is the less steep and the more winding. The old road generally doesn’t sacrifice altitude needlessly. Said another way, it doesn’t gain and lose altitude repeatedly to shorten distance or maintain a straighter alignment. Said yet another way, it will go a longer distance to avoid grades or having to reclaim a height it has already achieved.
That’s a start. More to follow. Please Jump in with your insights.
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I think you and I are of like mind. I have been thinking about writing a guide for my site, based on what I've learned, about finding and following old alignments. I also wanted to tell the clues I've learned about finding abandoned segments. (My favorite clue is to follow the utility poles; they frequently follow a road's former path.)
If we, as a group, can pool our collective knowledge, I'll put it on my (unfortunately fairly large) to-do list to write it up. We can, of course, keep it here, but I'd also like to put it on my site, with attributions as contributors desire.
Peace,
jim
Right, the telephone poles didn't move when the road did!
This could be fun, and I want to get these things on paper before my memory goes!
I also want to make some suggestions on where to find or acquire maps and the like. And how do you find out where the old road went if you don't have a map.
I don't see why you couldn't replicate the stuff on your website, but you might check our Rules. Sometimes forums claim the copyright on anything posted on the site. I don't think this one does, but it wouldn't hurt to check the rules.
I want to include finding the old road treasures as well. By treasures I mean the evident and not so evident artifacts like the old buildings and other remnants of highways past.
There isn’t a clear place to start this thread, so I guess I will post under General Discussion. Pat or Jennifer may move it if they have a better category.
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Jim,
Your work is entertaining and informative! I guess intelligence and competence count! I have been following old alignments for 25 years and you as a relative newbie have already eclipsed my “talent!” You did a splendid job on your write ups so I know you are a serious aficionado. Keep em coming!
I have a collection that is pretty good with at least a few thousand maps and guides I use to track old roads and roadside artifacts and architecture. It is mostly western US but not to the exclusion of other areas. I also have developed a nose for the old alignments that comes out of lots of experience, but which I think might be described usefully for others.
I have thought from time to time that I would offer some “insights” about finding and following the old alignments and understanding what to look for in recognizing the old roads. You have the talent and knowledge, and I may have a bit more experience (maybe not) so perhaps we could combine our “advantages” to the benefit of others on the forum.
And other folks here who will photograph an old concrete highway gutter or follow the old road through the sagebrush may want to add their knowledge. Then you, as both knowledgeable in the subject and skilled in the communication arts, might pull it all together into an organized and lucid whole for all of us to enjoy.
What say ye?
If you are interested, I’ll start a new thread to invite members to share their insights.
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Peace,
jim
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Thanks for the welcome, guys! Nice to be here.
I grew up four blocks from one of the branches of the Dixie Highway, or Dixieway as we called it in South Bend. My favorite route between Indy and South Bend is, of course, the Dixie Highway route.
My hosting company fixed the domain registration problem; my site is back among the living. To see detailed writeups, with photos, of my road trips, go to www.jimgrey.net and click the "Roads This Exit" graphic.
I'm eager to write up my US 36 trip from last week. I still can't believe that a dirt/gravel road is signed as "Old 36 Rd" out in Parke County.
Peace,
jim
Jim,
Your ears must be ringing. We were talking about your site in glowing terms this evening on a chat. Those write ups and pictures define the genre!
Incidentally, I like your map comparisons in the first post. Being a map guy myself, you made an interesting use of maps from different periods. I'm going to take a look at a 1920's map of the same area and see what it holds of interest.
Maybe throw in a couple of links (highlight the link and click the tree icon to have the image display in line) to a photo or two of yours in your next post so viewers are encouraged to stop and take a closer look at your work.
You are helping Keep the Show on the Road!
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HI All,
Iam the Midnightcaller I got that name because I used to call this BBS at Midnight when I came home from work.
I live in the Lake Stevens,WA area and Iam into treasure hunting,and a ham radio operator.
I also like getting into my car and going on any road I can find. One of my trips Iam planning is driving from Washington to Maine, then down the East Coast to Florida. then get on to rute 66 and come back home.
I would like to do this trip on blue's highways and avoid the freeways you can see more than on a freeway. one goal in life is to see all 50 states and Canada..
How many people are from Washington
How many people are ham radio operators?
how many people are into metel detecting and treasure hunting?
I know of a couple of us from the state of Washington who post here. I live in Olympia. I lived for a while ten years ago in Snohomish, so I know the Lake Stevens area a little.
We need more active members from Washington as I am holding out against the rest of the country practically by myself.
Welcome!!I haven’t had much to do with ham radio for many years and back then it was with a friend who was a ham.
I have often thought it would be fun to get a metal detector and scout out a few places. We were along the Yellowstone Trail (now US 2) between Waterville and Coulee City (in Moses Coulee) a few weeks ago on an abandoned alignment and I wondered if I could find some mementos of its earlier years. One of my 1920 maps showed the site of a long forgotten hotel in the Coulee itself, and I thought it would be interesting to do a little “treasure hunting” We located the probably site, but a metal detector might have found something to confirm it.
Not to lead the topic astray, but any advice or luck finding anything significant along an old road? Is there a compact metal detector? As it is I have my laptop, GPS, maps, cameras and dog (and sometimes my wife!).
I remember another time when it would have been fun. Frenchman’s was a well known stop (Hotel, service station) on the Lincoln Highway back in the 1920’s, but the site today is just a few bent pipes. It would have been kind of interesting to find a 1920’s coin on the site. But alas, I wasn’t equipped, so all I could identify was what looked like a broken arm off a vintage shock absorber.
If you are taking a cross country trip, can you post a running account for us to follow? The thread would be fun and we could track your progress. Besides you will get more advice than you can possible use on what to see and where to stop.
Incidentally, I have a detailed 1912 atlas of snohomish County that might be useful in treasuer hunting. It's not for sale, but if you have a specific area that you would like more on, perhaps I cpould copy some for you.
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We have been commiserating lately about the increase in gasoline prices, but who recalls the long lines at service stations and the alternate sale days of the early 1970’s, or the outright rationing of WWII?
In the early 70’s (73-74) there was a period when you were limited to how many gallons the station would sell you (10 was the typical number in my area) and the station may have been open only part of the week, most typically alternating days.
And does anyone remember from first hand experience the rationing of gasoline and rubber in WWII? I was a little young to remember myself, but I have some ration books I keep around for history’s sake.
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Hello everybody! I'm Jim, a lifelong Hoosier currently holed up in Indianapolis. From my Northwestside home, I can hear the cars running at the Speedway, but I'm happily just north of all the race-day traffic.
I'm not sure how I came to love the road....
I write about my road adventures on my Web site. Unfortunately, because of a snafu with my hosting company, it is down at the moment. I expect they'll realize that I did, indeed, pay to re-register the domain and will put it back up this week. When they do, I'll pass the URL along. But meanwhile, I have a few pictures of my State Road 37 trip on my blog: http://jimgrey.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/th...to-bloomington/.
Glad to be here!
Peace,
jim
Wow, Jim. your blog is, as my son would say, "Awesome."
I look foward to knowing when your hosting company gets squared away so we can see more
And thanks for a great post. I look forward to more!
Welcome aboard!
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I note the price on that 1906 map - $5!!!!! Sounds more like a 2006 price. LOL Interesting to see the 1927 piece sold for 75 cents.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Purveyor of safe travels
Keen eye!
Right, and multiply the 1906 price by maybe 20 (or more) to get the inflation adjusted cost. I guess if you could afford a car in 1906, you could afford a $100 set of maps.
Thanks for the observations!
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I'm pretty sure that if I tried to make a living as a film critic, I could get pretty hungry. Hey, maybe that's not such a bad idea. The career mismatch weight loss plan.
The Pony Express comparison was from the film although I verified it (If it's on the web, it must be true. Right?) before posting.
It's impossible to talk about the file without talking about Segways but the scooter was just a device. These guys did a coast-to-coast road trip at a speed that allows eye-to-eye contact with farmers and their cows, too. And they filmed it. That's the cool part.
You are right, the 10 MPH, eyeball to eyeball level does make a difference. Before I was an auto road tripper, I was a bicycle road tripper. I met more people, got invited to dinner more often, and saw more on a bicycle. Kind of like the difference between a two lane road and the interstate. But I was a lot younger, and even then I got tired of idiots throwing things at me as they drove by. I don’t think they really recognized that a beer bottle travels at 65 MPH if the drunk throwing it is in a car going 65 MPH.
I look forward to seeing the movie. Thanks for the tip.
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Ah, Denny, you reveal yet another talent, as film critic! A very good write up! It is always good to know you have a fallback, or a second income if you ever need it!
Kidding aside, I like your comparison with the Pony Express! They changed horses, and the Segways changed batteries. It is almost a (what is the term?!) for the old and the new!
Beyond the fact that it could be done, I don’t see many people selling their cars and hitting the road on Segways! Although some of those little scooter cars aren’t much bigger.
Thanks for sharing! I added it to my Netflix list.
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There's an interesting article in today's Indy Star regarding the high gas prices, and why the midwest has the highest prices in the nation right now. Also, it breaks down the myth that stations are doing the gouging, when in reality, they're barely making anything on gasoline. Good read here: got gas?
Pat, A good bit of information.
In summary, the gas stations aren’t making the money, the price of crude is not that much higher, and the oil producers who are suffering from all the “regulations” and “production problems” are making the biggest profits in all of corporate history.
If you were president of an oil company and your profits skyrocketed when demand was high and production was restricted, would you build new capacity with your profits? Not if you wanted to keep your multimillion dollar salary!
I’m just a dummy. but even I know what makes the world go round. This is a closed market. New companies don’t enter the market and compete with the existing companies to drive prices down. There has not been a new oil refinery built in 30 years (says the article). The big boys don’t have to sit around a table and fix prices, they all know what is in their best interest.
Here is the simple truth. We will pay whatever the price at the pump, and forego something else so we can drive (including me). We have even said in surveys that we won’t change our demand until prices approach $5.00 a gallon. The oil companies know that.
In the long run we will acquire more fuel efficient vehicles and high prices at the pump will make alternative sources of energy to move our vehicles more viable. We could be enjoying some interesting changes in vehicles over the next decade. I’m already noticing those little scooter cars on our streets. (Does anyone remember the Crosley?) But for now, count on more of the same.
Would someone please tell me I’m wrong and explain why.
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Jim,
Enjoyed the gallery! It reminds me that there are really beautiful places to visit everywhere, so long as you stay on the old two laners!
I liked the little town shot. I couldn't quite make out what the flag sign said.
Keep em coming!
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