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Hi Emily,

 

 

 

It appears my original suspicions about the realtor's action are coming true.

 

Here in the state of Illinois, realtors are governed by the Department of

 

Banks & Real Estate and our local boards. I'm not familiar with Missouri's

 

set-up...but I'm sure that they have to have a governing body where a complaint

 

can

 

be filed. Moreover, the realtor is probably a member of a local board where

 

another complaint can be filed. It's very odd that you're offer was "presented"

 

(Really?) and you were not informed that it was rejected. Normal procedure

 

would be to inform you that the offer you made was rejected....allowing you a

 

chance to counter. One question, did you have a realtor representing you as a

 

"buyer"? You should have had one or should get one. Please be aware that "the

 

deal" is not done until the papers are all signed at "closing". I've seen better

 

offers show up at the title companies at closing that kick an original buyer

 

out. Not a pleasant situation to be around, but that's how it works. I'm really

 

flabbergasted that Mr. Ferguson is not being informed about who the buyer is.

 

Something v-e-r-r-r-y fishy is going on here. I would love to see the listing

 

agreement and sales contract since I'm a realtor/broker here in Illinois. I

 

shudder at the thought that the property might be razed. Now, a couple ideas:

 

is your husband a vet? If he is, he's entitled to a low-down-payment (maybe

 

even a no-down-payment), low-interest VA loan. This is a one time deal offered

 

to

 

vets. Also, if Mr. Ferguson is a vet, he COULD apply for a VA loan and then

 

allow you to assume it.....just a thought. Anyway, I would recommend that you

 

secure a realtor who might help you out. Also, a "buyers agent" is paid by the

 

seller...so it should not cost you anything to do this. Seek out someone who

 

is a broker and maybe even a competing broker in the area where the motel is

 

located. Find a bulldog who has a record of lots of sales.....and has a GRI

 

designation, at least.

 

 

 

Anyway, wishing you well.....don't forget...in real estate..."It ain't over,

 

till it's over"...to quote Ken Trummel....or was that Yogi Berra? :)

 

 

 

My Best,

 

 

 

Chet Nichols

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Greetings All,

 

 

 

I feel that Tom's post was on the mark. He also posted some good

 

advice. For all of us to adhere. At times, all of us should watch

 

what we say, how we say it, and to choose are words carefully.

 

 

 

Attitude and demeanor can sometimes prohibit the future successes of

 

projects that we attempt to accomplish. After all, many folks are

 

listening to and watching us, in our pursuits to preserve and restore

 

the Mother Road, and all Two Lane Highways in America.

 

 

 

Chet - if you're gonna quote me, at least spell my name right.

 

Thanks Broski!

 

Q;)

 

 

 

Ken 'the landrunner' Turmel

 

 

 

"Never let go. Never break the chain, in the Circle of Support."

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Guest Chetnichols@aol.com

Nicole,

 

 

 

I agree...it is one of the MOST beautiful sections of the

 

"Old Route 66"....roadies are doing themselves a dis-serve not taking the

 

"old road" from

 

Kingman to Oatman (and visa versa).

 

 

 

And what great stories there are about that old section of road.......

 

ANYTIME I am traveling "the southern route"....I always jump off on this

 

section. Oatman is a "blast from the past"....so to speak.....keep the beers

 

cold...I'll be there soon. I do the complete stretch from Chicago to California

 

at

 

least two times a year (and back).....so maybe have a six-pack on hand....

 

 

 

My Best,

 

Chet Nichols

 

....friend of Yogi Berra and Ken Trum-m-m-m-m-el

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> wrote:

 

> Greetings All,

 

>

 

> Attitude and demeanor can sometimes prohibit the future successes of

 

> projects that we attempt to accomplish.

 

 

 

But more often, attitude and demeanor can help one succeed.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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Guest Nicole

Hi all-

 

 

 

Thought I'd give an update on Cool Springs Camp east of Oatman on

 

Route 66. Wow that building is coming along nicely!! The drinks and

 

such that are supposed to be sold there are still not up, but the

 

process is definitely coming along. I talked to a handyman who was

 

there the day we stopped by. They're having problems getting

 

electricity there, and he blames in on BLM giving them problems, but

 

then I talked to trusty Elaine who told me complete opposite and that

 

the BLM has nothing to do with that type of thing, or with what is

 

supposedly going on with the electricity situation at Cool Springs.

 

This man also told me that he often camps out in a tent across the

 

street with his gun by his side in case vandals to try to do anything

 

to the building....so I think it would be in my best judgement to

 

take Elaine's words a little more seriously than his! ha ha! Nice

 

guy, but whew.....

 

 

 

Next time you're hitting Route 66 in Arizona, be sure to check out

 

Cool Springs Camp.....what a great place that has come back to life,

 

and of course in one of the most awesome geographical locations (in

 

my opinion)on the road!

 

 

 

Nicole

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Guest Jim Ross

Hi Everyone,

 

 

 

I spoke on the phone Friday with Senor Waillis and learned that he was packing

 

up to head for the house, so please do not call or send any more stuff to the

 

hospital.

 

 

 

He will be involved in physical therapy for some time yet, but will continue his

 

recovery from home. He sounded quite happy about it.

 

 

 

Once again, he asked me to express his deep appreciation for all the cards,

 

letters, calls, flowers, and visitors. I know first-hand from visiting him at

 

St. John that his spirits were greatly lifted by all the cheery goodies covering

 

the walls of his room.

 

 

 

I'll pass on any additional information as it comes my way. Thanks.

 

 

 

Jim R.

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Guest jenniferrt66

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, oldroad <oldroad@s...> wrote:

 

> I am that individual that stated that this email list does not

 

mention much

 

> in the way of preservation on it's main page.

 

>

 

> Reread my post.

 

>

 

> Tom, where in my post did it state that I was talking about the

 

magazine?!

 

> My statement said that nowhere on the main page of this yahoogroup

 

does it

 

> have a statement of preservation.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Kevin,

 

 

 

The group's description on the home page is simply a basic

 

introduction to the group. It's not intended to be a mission

 

statement or an all-encompassing description of what the magazine or

 

the group stands for, or what we should discuss. The American Road

 

Yahoo group is a complement to the magazine. In terms of topics of

 

discussion, this is a place to discuss your favorite American roads

 

and the interesting people, places and sights to see along those

 

roads; those places can be in various stages of existence: whether

 

they are no longer there or need to be preserved or anywhere in

 

between. Someone could post about their cross country trip on U.S.

 

40 back in 1954 or it could have been yesterday! We aren't extremely

 

strict in terms of the minute details of a person's post, but we do

 

ask that all posts conform to what we have outlined in our "SPEED

 

LIMITS."

 

 

 

Posting messages from other U.S. highway groups is certainly OK if

 

it's on topic and in accordance with the SPEED LIMITS (which has so

 

far been the case). I know some of us are on the same groups, so we

 

will see those messages more than once. But not everyone is on all

 

the groups, so the more people to be reached, the better.

 

 

 

However, at the same time we do want this group to be diverse and not

 

all about any particular road or for it to become nothing but

 

duplicate posts from other groups. If we all see the same posts on

 

many different lists, we'll get bored quickly! The only way to make

 

this list unique is to encourage discussion on a wide variety of

 

roads - and there's a lot of American Roads out there!

 

 

 

So, I'd like everyone put on your thinking caps and come up with a

 

story to tell us about your road trips! What diners do you like to

 

visit? Do you like to drive at night? During the day? Do you like

 

neon signs? Snake farms? Mountains? Deserts? Swamps? How do you feel

 

when you're on a road trip, and you don't have a reservation – the

 

excitement as you scrutinize all the neon signs looking for that

 

classic old motel to rest your weary bones!

 

 

 

Jennifer Bremer

 

American Road List Co-Host

 

http://www.roadtripmemories.com

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Guest jenniferrt66

Greetings folks! It's time once again to post the AMERICAN

 

ROAD "Speed Limits" for our little online group here. Please review!

 

 

 

 

 

Because personal views so often differ, please familiarize yourself

 

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critical of persons outside the list, however, such as reporting

 

actions by those who would destroy roadside landmarks. Just remember

 

that the list is not a battleground for personal arguments. Acts of

 

flaming will generate a reminder. Continued infractions will result

 

in banishment.

 

 

 

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posted sparingly and labeled OFF-TOPIC.

 

 

 

3. Profanity & off-color jokes are forbidden.

 

 

 

4. Kindly keep your posts road-related and aimed at the group in

 

general rather than one individual. Private email should be used for

 

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Guest Jim Ross

Greetings Everyone,

 

 

 

To follow-up on posts by Thomas and Jennifer:

 

 

 

Well said about American Road's purpose on Yahoo Groups, Jennifer. This group

 

was not created as a preservation organization, though many of our members are

 

involved in preservation efforts and preservation news is welcome and encouraged

 

both here and at the magazine. It is not our intent, however, to try to keep

 

score on who posts what on which group. It is also not our goal to try to mimic

 

or scoop what may show up elsewhere. We are not in competition with anyone.

 

 

 

The magazine, on the other hand, has a strong leaning toward preservation, as

 

Thomas pointed out. Make no mistake about that. And while it is not a

 

requirement that only subscribers belong to this group, we hope that everyone

 

will at least consume a couple of issues to get a better feel for what we're all

 

about. We think it's a darn good read.

 

 

 

Here's hoping each and every one of you have a very happy holiday season!

 

 

 

Jim Ross

 

Managing Editor

 

American Road

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Guest drivewdave@aol.com

In a message dated 12/4/03 2:03:56 PM, jabremer66@aol.com writes:

 

 

 

<<

 

 

 

1. NO FLAMING! Flaming is any derogatory or insulting remark directed

 

 

 

at another list member. >>

 

 

 

dave here, just wondering...I don't suppose this means

 

we can insult the entire group...just wondering

 

 

 

there has been little of interest to me lately here, lots of petty concerns...

 

but I did enjoy the latest from new member TJ titled backroading...

 

 

 

He writes

 

 

 

Would any of you care to take up this kind of discussion? I'd love to

 

 

 

learn of other really appealing drives.

 

 

 

He was referring to travelogues and descriptive road writing.

 

Well I would enjoy this, I get bored reading about some motel

 

or diner, people seem more interested in the roadside than in

 

the actual road, this is typical.

 

 

 

The driving experience is not static and it is good to remember

 

that a road GOES somewhere.

 

 

 

Now for what some may consider a group insult, I keep reading

 

about the 'dreadful interstate' and the 'boring superslab'

 

while I believe the modern freeway represents the pinnacle

 

of more than two thousand years of highway engineering.

 

(you can still drive on the original Via Appia)

 

 

 

Maybe if I had to live in the midwest I would feel different

 

about miles of monotony but here in WA some of the best

 

views of the landscape are available from good old I-5...

 

 

 

I watched them build the thing back in the 60s and have

 

tracked the modifications since, it is never boring.

 

 

 

I don't suppose it just might be possible that the

 

bias towards two-lane roads is a bit narrow minded and

 

might betray a lack of imagination. (this rules out the

 

famous Hooker Cut on 66 by the way) Let's just say

 

everybody has their subjective likes and dislikes...

 

 

 

I am a fan of ALL roads period, I love to drive and see things, if you

 

think this post is too insulting drop me from the list...sincerely, dave

 

 

 

ps let's see more travelogues like from TJ and the Upper Peninsula

 

memories from Nicole recently, you can expect some from me too

 

(if I'm still on the list that is...)

 

 

 

pps I have been collecting postcards actively for thirty years

 

and have accumulated thousands of road and highway images

 

and I don't mean roadside, I mean the road as in what you drive on.

 

This is partly why my spectrum of enthusiasm is wider than that

 

of the 'two-laners' and the 'roadsiders' and I make no apology for it.

 

 

 

ppps the post a few weeks back that explained the realities

 

of real estate transactions with LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS

 

was quite entertaining and it was refreshing to read

 

something straightforward that did not mince words.

 

 

 

pppps My friend the late Jack Carpentier (a great fan of the

 

Lincoln Highway who some of you may remember) once

 

described a certain stretch of interstate as 'magnificent,'

 

he was referring to the loops on Emigrant Hill east of

 

Pendleton OR. Jack was also cognizant of the fact that

 

the first freeways are definitely antiques now...

 

Anybody who has driven Arroyo Seco Pkwy can attest to this

 

and there are plenty of other examples. A friend who lived in

 

Pasadena when it was new said people called it 'the speedway'

 

which makes sense considering it was the only limited access

 

highway in the area at the time.

 

 

 

final ps there are no boring roads, only boring people...down in flames, dave

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Guest shunpiker15

Hullo, everyone. TJ here.

 

 

 

I am glad to have found your group. Since I really, really enjoy

 

traveling old roads -- for their scenic or historic or cultural

 

appeal.

 

 

 

Like Connecticut Route 146, which meanders beautifully through salt

 

marshes just a couple of miles south of dreadful I-95. And

 

Pennsylvania Route 897, which goes north-south through Lancaster

 

County, a much more enjoyable axis there than the busy east-west ones.

 

And the original Battle Road at Concord, Mass., which goes through

 

lush woods and alongside old stone walls and past 250-year old

 

buildings, all parallel to modern Route 2A. (Except 2A does give us

 

Ralph Waldo Emerson's house and Louisa May Alcott's house and, if you

 

look closely, Ephraim Bull's house -- he the gentle farmer who

 

developed the Concord Grape so that we can have that fine American

 

delicacy, peanut butter and jelly on white.)

 

 

 

Would any of you care to take up this kind of discussion? I'd love to

 

learn of other really appealing drives.

 

 

 

Thanks!

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Guest drivewdave@aol.com

Dave again (after a pique experience)

 

 

 

TJs' fine narrative (backroading) reminds me of a short

 

story I read (and reread) a few years back,

 

I don't exactly recall the title but it was

 

about a visit to Concord written as a gentle

 

parody in the style of Thoreau, the author was E. B. White

 

(Charlottes' Web, The Elements of Style) and it was published ca. 1939.

 

White wrote it as a sort of an affectionate letter to Henry

 

telling if he were alive how amazed he would be to ride along a

 

smooth highway at 50 MPH, the walk from Walden into Concord

 

which took Henry an hour or so is now a five minute

 

drive and Walden Pond is a state park with hundreds of

 

picnicers and bathers with their litter and so on.

 

(I am guessing maybe the title is something like

 

'A letter to Henry' but I am likely wrong on this.)

 

 

 

There are plenty of delights in the story and it gives a good

 

description of the times and the social attitudes and is also

 

an ironic commentary on 'progress' and the disappearing past.

 

 

 

for anybody in that nostalgic frame of mind there is a

 

song by Dave Frishberg, The Dear Departed Past, which

 

is a list of vanished cultural phenomena,

 

one line is '37 Fords, complete with running boards.'

 

It's fun to see running boards making a comeback on the SUVs

 

 

 

let's hope TJ and the others inspire the rest of us to contribute

 

something interesting too.

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Evening folks! We spent a nice day photographing some of the various

 

architecture in downtown Indianapolis Saturday. Among those were of US 40/The

 

National Road. Of interest to me was the old US 40 bridge that once carried

 

traffic across the White River on the near westside of downtown Indy. Built

 

in 1916, it was in service for nearly 70 years before being closed in the

 

early 1980's. At that time, US 40 was re-routed south to make way for the new

 

Indianapolis Zoo. Nearly half a mile of original National Road was wiped out

 

in favor of homes for monkeys and elephants. However, the bridge was kept

 

intact, but sat dormant for nearly 10 years before it was converted to an

 

immaculate pedestrian bridge complete with a grassy median and various pieces

 

of artwork. It is also part of a network of biking/jogging trails throughout

 

Indianapolis. There is an interpretive display on the west entrance of the

 

bridge detailing some of the various river crossings at this location

 

throughout history.

 

 

 

One thing that I'm going to look into is why there aren't any of the new

 

"Historic National Road" signs on the bridge that are now dotting the

 

landscape in Indiana from Richmond to Terre Haute. I'll try to get in touch

 

with the Indiana National Road Association to see what their stance is on

 

this. Seems only fitting they should have one at each end of the bridge,

 

instead of at the bridge south of the historic one. If you want to be

 

techinical about it, that new bridge and the re-routed alignment of

 

Washtington St. were never the National Road at all!

 

 

 

I've posted a few of the pics to our Photo Section at our website. Click on

 

the link here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/lst

 

I have them posted in the "National Road-Indianapolis" folder. Enjoy!

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

Speedway, IN

 

List Host, AMERICAN ROAD

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Greetings to All:

 

 

 

I see Chicago's Lakeshore Drive has made mention on this list. I was

 

thrilled to see this, as I once lived just off the drive at Irving

 

Park. It is a great road (as is U.S. 2). So many roads. Never enough

 

time.

 

 

 

Dave, since your earlier post, I have been wondering if the early road

 

you drove between Ellensburg and Yakima was, in fact, early Yellowstone

 

Trail. I believe that was probably the case. Perhaps someday you and I

 

will find a chance to sit down at Rose's or the Poodle Dog and talk

 

more.

 

 

 

Also: A quick "hello" to Ypsi-Slim. I am Detroit-born myself. Michigan

 

does have some great drives.

 

 

 

Now, on to this morning's business. . . .

 

 

 

A few days ago I posted a message to the effect that we would soon be

 

prepared to officially welcome our AMERICAN ROAD crew. I am very

 

pleased--and most proud--to announce that the time has come to do this.

 

 

 

So, on behalf of AMERICAN ROAD, I would like to extend a warm welcome

 

to the following members of our magazine staff:

 

 

 

FRANK BRUSCA, Contributing Editor. Currently working on an update of

 

George Stewart's book, U.S. 40. Frank will head our regular department,

 

"Our National Road."

 

 

 

GREGORY M. FRANZWA, Contributing Editor. Founder of the current Lincoln

 

Highway Association and author of the Lincoln Highway series. Gregory

 

will head our department, "Thinkin' Lincoln."

 

 

 

ALICE and JOHN RIDGE, Contributing Editors. Authors of INTRODUCING THE

 

YELLOWSTONE TRAIL: A GOOD ROAD FROM PLYMOUTH ROCK TO PUGET SOUND, 1912-

 

1930. Alice and John will head our department, "On the Yellowstone

 

Trail."

 

 

 

MICHAEL WALLIS, Contributing Editor. Three-time Pulitzer Prize nominee.

 

Historian and author of ROUTE 66: THE MOTHER ROAD. Michael will write

 

feature stories.

 

 

 

MICHAEL STUCKEY, National Parks Consultant. Active NPS ranger at

 

Petrified Forest National Park. Michael will serve AMERICAN ROAD as a

 

historian in matters involving the NPS.

 

 

 

ARTHUR KRIM, Geographer. Past president of the Society for Commercial

 

Archaeology. Arthur will serve AMERICAN ROAD in his capacity as a

 

geographer and a preservationist.

 

 

 

ROBERT C. CLAAR, Roadside Consultant. AMERICAN ROAD plans to resurrect

 

Bob's father's classic Route 66 business, the Hitching Post, in a new

 

form. The original business sat on Route 66 east of Moriarty, New

 

Mexico.

 

 

 

JERRY McCLANAHAN, Feature Writer and artist. Co-creator of ROUTE 66:

 

THE MAP SERIES. In addition to writing stories, Jerry will supply

 

American Road with custom-drawn maps to illustrate articles.

 

 

 

PAT and JENNIFER BREMER, E-group Moderators. Our dedicated roadies who

 

created our E-group site so friends could talk AMERICAN ROADS (and

 

about American roads) on the world-wide web.

 

 

 

Additionally, I want to recognize the core group at Mock Turtle Press/

 

American Road including JIM ROSS (Managing Editor); ASHLEY BOGLE ARHART

 

(Art Director); REBECCA REPP (General Manager); ARIELE HUFF (Associate

 

Editor); CURTIS OSMUN (Website Editor); GRANT SHARPE (Production

 

Supervisor); SUSAN TORNGREN (Advertising Manager); TAMMIE SLATER

 

(Advertising Representative); SHERRI NEILSEN-HAZARD and LYNETTE NEILSEN

 

(Marketing), and BECKY RANSOM (our former "Highway Hostess").

 

 

 

Photos and bios for most of our crew have been posted on our website.

 

Those currently absent will be added soon, as may a number of others

 

not listed here. Our current crew is spread out over nine states. We

 

will certainly continue to grow.

 

 

 

I hope you will take some time to visit our website, "Meet the Mock

 

Turtles," as we say, and get to know our people. My friends, I believe

 

we are beginning one hell of a ride!

 

 

 

Thomas Repp

 

Executive Editor

 

American Road

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Ypsi,

 

E-mail me regarding the US 40 Today book. I tried to e-mail you off-list, but

 

it was bounced back at me. Thanks!

 

 

 

Pat

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Guest RWarn17588@aol.com

I used to live in Dixon, Ill. Worked at a newspaper up there for three years.

 

Anyway, I believe it's called the Dixon Memorial Arch. It was built shortly

 

after World War I as a memorial for war dead. It's been altered several times

 

(widened to accomodate the road, raised to accommodate trucks), but the

 

appearance essentially remains the same. Better yet, it's trimmed in red neon

 

lighting. It looks pretty cool at night.

 

 

 

Then there's the Salute to Freedom statue a stone's throw away. It's some

 

godawful sculpture that some Polish guy commissioned from his design as a

 

salute to Ronald Reagan and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe The

 

locals hate the thing. I thought I had a cruel mind, but when I asked a

 

lifelong Dixon resident what the statue reminded her of, her response was the

 

same as mine: "It's a [phallus] with wings."

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

What is this book? New? if so I would like to know about it--the last thing I

 

saw on 40 was the two vol. national road set. Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: roadmaven@aol.com

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:09 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Digest Number 39

 

 

 

 

 

Ypsi,

 

E-mail me regarding the US 40 Today book. I tried to e-mail you off-list,

 

but it was bounced back at me. Thanks!

 

 

 

Pat

 

 

 

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Guest Butko, Brian A.

Just posted this to the Lincoln Highway board and thought you folks would

 

want to know too. ~Brian

 

 

 

It's official: "Greetings from the Lincoln Highway" will be published by

 

Stackpole Books in 2005. It will have hundreds of postcards and photos, maps

 

showing the various routings, and a foreword by Drake Hokanson. At about 250

 

pages with color, the closest similar book would be Michael Wallis' "Route

 

66: The Mother Road."

 

 

 

I've mulled this book over for a decade but wanted to make sure it would be

 

special. What finally helped it gel was my interest in what people wrote

 

about the road in memoirs and on postcards - hence the title. Some are

 

funny, some tell about road conditions, but all of them get us a little

 

closer to the world that once existed along the highway. Here are a couple

 

of my favorites:

 

 

 

May 31, 1944

 

Pathfinder Hotel, Fremont, Neb.

 

Dear Mary ­

 

I have a very nice room here. Tonight I have a radio and it seems so good.

 

Wish I owned one.... The sky is lovely pink now. It?s 9 P.M. and I have my

 

washing to do ­ darn it all.

 

Lots of love ‹ Nancy

 

 

 

Aug. 3, 1960

 

Virginia Street, Reno, Nev.

 

Dear Bill,

 

We?re just now recuperating from travelling across the Salt Desert last nite

 

‹ from 6:15 PM to 6:15 AM!

 

Yours, Judy

 

 

 

I have a year til deadline but already feel the pressure of trying to cover

 

some 4,000 miles of original road and bypasses! Please feel free to send

 

your recommendations. I can also scan old photos or postcards if you have

 

some you think are interesting - I have hundreds but I'm always amazed by

 

what else is out there.

 

 

 

I have a few images online at http://www.brianbutko.com/lh.html including

 

the little strip maps from Texaco's 1929 promotional booklet.

 

 

 

Brian Butko

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Guest jim conkle

Brian,

 

 

 

Sounds great. We roadies will look forward to buying and reading the book.

 

You should ask Michael to do your introduction in the book.

 

 

 

James M. Conkle, Executive Director

 

California Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760-868-3320

 

760-617-3991 cell

 

760-868-8614 fax

 

jim@cart66pf.org

 

www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Butko, Brian A. [mailto:babutko@hswp.org]

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:00 AM

 

To: American Road Yahoo Group

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] New Lincoln Highway book

 

 

 

 

 

Just posted this to the Lincoln Highway board and thought you folks would

 

want to know too. ~Brian

 

 

 

It's official: "Greetings from the Lincoln Highway" will be published by

 

Stackpole Books in 2005. It will have hundreds of postcards and photos,

 

maps

 

showing the various routings, and a foreword by Drake Hokanson. At about

 

250

 

pages with color, the closest similar book would be Michael Wallis' "Route

 

66: The Mother Road."

 

 

 

I've mulled this book over for a decade but wanted to make sure it would

 

be

 

special. What finally helped it gel was my interest in what people wrote

 

about the road in memoirs and on postcards - hence the title. Some are

 

funny, some tell about road conditions, but all of them get us a little

 

closer to the world that once existed along the highway. Here are a couple

 

of my favorites:

 

 

 

May 31, 1944

 

Pathfinder Hotel, Fremont, Neb.

 

Dear Mary ­

 

I have a very nice room here. Tonight I have a radio and it seems so good.

 

Wish I owned one.... The sky is lovely pink now. It?s 9 P.M. and I have my

 

washing to do ­ darn it all.

 

Lots of love ‹ Nancy

 

 

 

Aug. 3, 1960

 

Virginia Street, Reno, Nev.

 

Dear Bill,

 

We?re just now recuperating from travelling across the Salt Desert last

 

nite

 

‹ from 6:15 PM to 6:15 AM!

 

Yours, Judy

 

 

 

I have a year til deadline but already feel the pressure of trying to

 

cover

 

some 4,000 miles of original road and bypasses! Please feel free to send

 

your recommendations. I can also scan old photos or postcards if you have

 

some you think are interesting - I have hundreds but I'm always amazed by

 

what else is out there.

 

 

 

I have a few images online at http://www.brianbutko.com/lh.html including

 

the little strip maps from Texaco's 1929 promotional booklet.

 

 

 

Brian Butko

 

 

 

 

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

 

wrote:

 

> Ahhhh...it's giving me the urge to make another trip to 66 today

 

like

 

> we did last Saturday....a 3 1/2 hour drive just to have a couple of

 

> Cozy Dogs (corndogs) in Springfield, IL. Can you say Road Psycho???

 

>

 

>

 

Nothin' weird about cruisin' Route 66 or any other U.S. two laner,

 

Pat. Our friends from the Chi area, John and Kathy, once cruised '66

 

to Ted Drewes and back home again the same day just to get a frozen

 

custard! (or "How a Sunday drive turned into a 12 hour trip on Route

 

66" as Kathy is fond of saying.)

 

 

 

Still Cruisin' Route 66,

 

Bliss

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Guest Alex Burr

You be right - in fact in many places the old roads,

 

while a tad slower than the mindless travel on the

 

interstates, are more comfortable and relaxing.

 

 

 

I have friends in Decatur, IL, and on my trips to

 

see my daughter in Memphis I often stop in there for a

 

day or two visit. I've found either U S 40 or U S 36

 

across Ohio into Indiana to Indianapolis, then 36 on

 

to Decatur, to be a lot more relaxing. And what you

 

sometimes trip over on the old roads - how many of you

 

know about the Ernie Pyle (how many of you even know

 

who he was??) museum about 1 mile or so north of 36 in

 

Dana, IN - right on the IN/IL line?? Neat place to

 

stop and visit and stretch the legs.

 

 

 

Another good east/west road I've taken on my jaunts

 

from Maine to Tennessee, after visiting my friends in

 

Decatur, heading for New England is U S 24 across

 

northern Indiana to Huntington - watch where you're

 

going here, lots of one way in the wrong direction

 

streets - then pick up 224 to U S 30 just to the west

 

of Van Wert. If you are headed east about the only

 

good way across Pennsy, is I-80, tho the old

 

Pennsylvania Turnpike is not to bad once you get east

 

of the I-76/I-70 mess. So word of caution here -

 

don't follow 30 all the way to Mansfield - that last

 

few miles is/was - they're working on it - heavily

 

congested. One way around it is to go NE on OH 98 off

 

30 on the NE side of Bucyrus to 598 north to 224, then

 

go east into Wadsworth and Akron on the interstate.

 

 

 

I've also taken U S 79 out of/and into Memphis (real

 

pretty drive up around Kentucky Lake) then 68 thru

 

Bowling Green and Lexington to Maysville, KY, on the

 

Ohio River. By the way, for those of you who have

 

tried to get thru, around or even over, Lexington, KY,

 

when I went thru there last Sept they have finally

 

gotten their act together and bypassed the city with a

 

major 4 lane interstate type bypass. You have to

 

watch the signs, and the traffic is horrendous - read

 

terrrible - esepcially the big rigs.

 

 

 

And of course I've taken U S 51 many times between

 

Decatur and Memphis - once you get into Tennessee it's

 

4 lane limited access from north of Dyersburg all the

 

way into Memphis. Traffic doesn't start getting heavy

 

until you get to Dyersburg, then mostly going thru the

 

big towns of Dyersburg, Covington and pretty heavy

 

going between Millington and Memphis.

 

 

 

So happy cruising, wherever y'all go - THINK 2 LANE,

 

and some of the old 2 lanes are now 4 lane. But still

 

better than the interstate - not much traffic out

 

there.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- brownwho63 <wefly66@earthlink.net> wrote:

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

 

> <roadmaven@a...>

 

> wrote:

 

> > Ahhhh...it's giving me the urge to make another

 

> trip to 66 today

 

> like

 

> > we did last Saturday....a 3 1/2 hour drive just to

 

> have a couple of

 

> > Cozy Dogs (corndogs) in Springfield, IL. Can you

 

> say Road Psycho???

 

> >

 

> >

 

> Nothin' weird about cruisin' Route 66 or any other

 

> U.S. two laner,

 

> Pat. Our friends from the Chi area, John and Kathy,

 

> once cruised '66

 

> to Ted Drewes and back home again the same day just

 

> to get a frozen

 

> custard! (or "How a Sunday drive turned into a 12

 

> hour trip on Route

 

> 66" as Kathy is fond of saying.)

 

>

 

> Still Cruisin' Route 66,

 

> Bliss

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Doug Pappas

I've recently uploaded several photo galleries to my Website

 

which may be of interest to American Roaders:

 

 

 

The Lincoln Highway in Pennsylvania:

 

Gettysburg to Ligonier in Postcards

 

http://roadsidephotos.com/LH/centpenn01.htm

 

 

 

Signs of the Nevada Roadside

 

(motel, etc., signs along old Route 40 in Nevada):

 

http://www.roadsidephotos.com/40/signs.htm

 

 

 

The Signs of 66

 

(motel, etc., signs along Route 66):

 

http://www.roadsidephotos.com/66/signs.htm

 

 

 

Welcome arches across America:

 

http://www.roadsidephotos.com/rp/arches.htm

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

Doug Pappas

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Guest mike@catsupbottle.com

What is it about the American Road yahoo group that it is getting all this

 

awful spam? Please don't think I'm thinking it's anyone's fault or roadmaven

 

responsibility to deal with it or anything... it's just interesting to me that I

 

wonder why it's always American Road. I belong to probably a dozen or so Yahoo

 

Groups and this is the only one that this keeps happening to.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

 

Catsup Bottle Mike

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Guest mike@catsupbottle.com

And you know what else is odd. I guess it's just the thrill of doing it and

 

knowing they shouldn't. I can't imagine posting spam like that to eGroups does

 

any business for them...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/5/03 9:18:39 AM, mistyowl@hot1.net writes:

 

 

 

<< Mike, I belong to a couple of other groups and lurk on a couple. I am a

 

Moderator on one. They have all been hit as well. I also go to several

 

newsgroups that are on 4 different servers. They are all getting hit. It is

 

not

 

just this group not is it just Yahoo. In some cases, the Moderator may just be

 

catching them and getting the messages deleted before most of the members get

 

them. We had one post at 4 AM yesterday and as luck would have it, I was up

 

early and caught it before anyone else saw it. The ones that are going around

 

now, are joining, posting then disappearing. Like Bob said, if the list was

 

moderator approved, that might cut down some, but there are still those that are

 

willing to wait on approval, then post and disappear. Their addresses are

 

usually bogus, so they don't care if anyone knows they are there.

 

Schools out and the kiddies are all online playing. For 2 weeks I have been

 

getting a record number of e-mails with viruses, etc. Things should calm down

 

in a week or so.

 

dona >>

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