Welcome!

May 12, 2003

no no you have it totally wrong, if there is going to

be any sweet stuff with peanut butter it has to be

RASPBERRY JAM

May 12, 2003

H TJ,

Sounds like you're from the Northeast somewhere.

Here's a couple of nice gentle drives, right here in

the state of Maine:

Like route 109 from Wells to Center Sandwich, NH -

this is a beautiful journey, and short enough for a

day trip, up thru the mill town of Sanford, past

Mousam Lake and across the NH/ME state line into

Wakefield and Sanbornville finally passing thru the

resort town of Wolfeboro on Lake Winnapausaukee and on

to its end at Center Sandwich. As I say, a nice day

trip - but better enjoyed if you have several days as

there is much to see and do within a short distance of

the original route.

Then there's route 35 from Kennebunk, winding up

thru a multitude of small towns, like Goodwins Mills,

Hollis Center, Standish on up to the Sebago Lake

region and North Windam, where it shares Route 302

west bound, itself a nice drive, but more upgraded

than 35, finally ending at a Junction with U S 2 in

Bethel.

We tend to concentrate on the major interstate U S

highways, such as 20, 30, 40, etc, but there are many,

many local routes, such as 109 and 35, thruout the

country that can qualify as "roads less traveled."

So to all you roadies out there I say get out on a

weekend and travel some of these local routes and tell

us what you find.

Welcome aboard, TJ.

Hudsonly

Alex B

--- shunpiker15 <shunpiker15@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hullo, everyone. TJ here.

>

> I am glad to have found your group. Since I really,

> really enjoy

> traveling old roads -- for their scenic or historic

> or cultural

> appeal.

>

> Like Connecticut Route 146, which meanders

> beautifully through salt

> marshes just a couple of miles south of dreadful

> I-95. And

> Pennsylvania Route 897, which goes north-south

> through Lancaster

> County, a much more enjoyable axis there than the

> busy east-west ones.

> And the original Battle Road at Concord, Mass.,

> which goes through

> lush woods and alongside old stone walls and past

> 250-year old

> buildings, all parallel to modern Route 2A. (Except

> 2A does give us

> Ralph Waldo Emerson's house and Louisa May Alcott's

> house and, if you

> look closely, Ephraim Bull's house -- he the gentle

> farmer who

> developed the Concord Grape so that we can have that

> fine American

> delicacy, peanut butter and jelly on white.)

>

> Would any of you care to take up this kind of

> discussion? I'd love to

> learn of other really appealing drives.

>

> Thanks!

>

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May 12, 2003

Dave,

You said in your message you like to drive and see things, but

earlier you mentioned the "actual road" rather than the roadside.

The reasons why people enjoy taking road trips are diverse - those

reasons are found not only on the road, but along the roadside - and

with the people along the road. Some travelers enjoy roadside

architecture of diners and motels and neon signs; some like the road

food and don't care about the actual buildings; some like seeing

small towns, going shopping, souvenir shops or antique stores (I like

soda foundtains and confectioneries); others like going to

attractions; some like talking about portland concrete or highway

numbering systems. Some talk about preservation of buildings, roads

and bridges. Some like feeling the road beneath them, the thumping of

the seams in the road; maveuvering the curves; some like cities; some

people like mountains, trees and streams; others like the desert.

Many people enjoy meeting the people on the road who run roadside

businesses. I have met many people and made many friends along the

roadside, which is the best part to me.

*Everyone's* stories, including yours, about their road trips are

welcome, whether they are eloquently written, or in travelogue

format, or whatever. If you don't like talk about the roadside,

diners or motels, that's OK. No list or discussion is going to appeal

to everyone, and you can choose to read only certain posts which are

of interest to you. However, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't

post about what they enjoy about road trips and I don't want any

posts to be discouraged.

Jennifer Bremer

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 12/4/03 2:03:56 PM, jabremer66@a... writes:

>

> <<

>

> 1. NO FLAMING! Flaming is any derogatory or insulting remark

directed

>

> at another list member. >>

>

> dave here, just wondering...I don't suppose this means

> we can insult the entire group...just wondering

>

> there has been little of interest to me lately here, lots of petty

concerns...

> but I did enjoy the latest from new member TJ titled backroading...

>

> He writes

>

> Would any of you care to take up this kind of discussion? I'd

love to

>

> learn of other really appealing drives.

>

> He was referring to travelogues and descriptive road writing.

> Well I would enjoy this, I get bored reading about some motel

> or diner, people seem more interested in the roadside than in

> the actual road, this is typical.

>

> The driving experience is not static and it is good to remember

> that a road GOES somewhere.

>

> Now for what some may consider a group insult, I keep reading

> about the 'dreadful interstate' and the 'boring superslab'

> while I believe the modern freeway represents the pinnacle

> of more than two thousand years of highway engineering.

> (you can still drive on the original Via Appia)

>

> Maybe if I had to live in the midwest I would feel different

> about miles of monotony but here in WA some of the best

> views of the landscape are available from good old I-5...

>

> I watched them build the thing back in the 60s and have

> tracked the modifications since, it is never boring.

>

> I don't suppose it just might be possible that the

> bias towards two-lane roads is a bit narrow minded and

> might betray a lack of imagination. (this rules out the

> famous Hooker Cut on 66 by the way) Let's just say

> everybody has their subjective likes and dislikes...

>

> I am a fan of ALL roads period, I love to drive and see things, if

you

> think this post is too insulting drop me from the list...sincerely,

dave

>

> ps let's see more travelogues like from TJ and the Upper Peninsula

> memories from Nicole recently, you can expect some from me too

> (if I'm still on the list that is...)

>

> pps I have been collecting postcards actively for thirty years

> and have accumulated thousands of road and highway images

> and I don't mean roadside, I mean the road as in what you drive on.

> This is partly why my spectrum of enthusiasm is wider than that

> of the 'two-laners' and the 'roadsiders' and I make no apology for

it.

>

> ppps the post a few weeks back that explained the realities

> of real estate transactions with LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS

> was quite entertaining and it was refreshing to read

> something straightforward that did not mince words.

>

> pppps My friend the late Jack Carpentier (a great fan of the

> Lincoln Highway who some of you may remember) once

> described a certain stretch of interstate as 'magnificent,'

> he was referring to the loops on Emigrant Hill east of

> Pendleton OR. Jack was also cognizant of the fact that

> the first freeways are definitely antiques now...

> Anybody who has driven Arroyo Seco Pkwy can attest to this

> and there are plenty of other examples. A friend who lived in

> Pasadena when it was new said people called it 'the speedway'

> which makes sense considering it was the only limited access

> highway in the area at the time.

>

> final ps there are no boring roads, only boring people...down in

flames, dave

May 12, 2003

Welcome to the group!

I agree - peanut butter and jelly on white is an underappreciated

delicacy - and it's not just for kids!

Jennifer Bremer

AR List Co-Host

http://www.roadtripmemories.com

May 12, 2003

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote:

> no no you have it totally wrong, if there is going to

> be any sweet stuff with peanut butter it has to be

>

> RASPBERRY JAM

Actually, while I do like grape jelly, my favorite is raspberry

preserves (with seeds)!

Jennifer

May 12, 2003

This is a general feeling of driving along a road, and it's something

that is found on roads in many areas - I love roads with lots of

hills and dips. You don't have to be going too fast, of course, but I

like when you're going over a little hill and you get airborne for a

second...an extra bonus is when you get that feeling like your

stomach's in your throat! Kinda a throwback to when you were a

little kid!

Jennifer

May 12, 2003

Sometime in October Navigator and I packed our stuff, fired up Big

Blue (mint '77 Monte Carlo 350 c.i. V8 that hardly ever sees the

light of day), and cruised old '66 to Dwight, IL, one of my boyhood

homes. We go there periodically so that I can walk the downtown

streets and scratch that itch. Weird, I know, but I have fond

memories of the town. After a couple of cold ones at the Rendevous

in Dwight we walked to another saloon (can't recall the name) just up

the street and, of course, had to explain to all present why we

strangers were in their bar. Learned that the building had

originally been a Ford dealership (I thought it had been a theater)

and that the "shop" had actually been on the second floor; thus, the

concrete ceiling. Vehicles were transported to the second floor via

elevator because the ground floor had been the showroom. Fascinating

stuff! Anyway, one of the ladies at the bar knows the family who

currently resides in "my" old house and she gave me their names and

phone number. Said they would probably be glad to give me a tour.

Didn't have the heart, though, to call perfect strangers and ask if I

could walk through their house....but I might someday. Had dinner in

the Turtle Tap's dining room (one wall filled with murals of '66 and

IL places and events) and for the first time ever had the evening

special of all-you-can-eat fried chicken with hot spagetti on the

side. Great combination and nearly as tasty as steak and spagetti.

Navigator wanted to use a different route for the return trip so we

headed west on IL 17 through Wenona and then stopped at Lacon on the

Illinois River. Very nice park by the river bridge. So far we had

seen miles and miles of flat IL farmland, but then, that's okay too.

Heading west again we cruised through Wyoming and Toulon before

turning south on 78. The landscape began to change to more hills as

we went farther south. Stopped in a couple of burgs (can't recall

their names) just so we could walk around the small downtown areas.

Both had functioning movie theaters! Stopped in Havana in search of

riverside lodging but found nothing. Very disappointing and we hit

the road again on our quest for lodging because we wanted to spend

the rest of the day sitting on a balcony overlooking the river.

Alas, this was not to be. Cruised west on 136 and then turned south

on 100, a fabulous narrow, scenic river road. Stopped in Beardstown,

still searching for riverside lodging and were disappointed with the

lack of same. Did visit the Elks Lodge, though, and again

congratulated ourselves on how smart we are for having that worldwide

lodge passport for less than forty bucks per year.

We were only an hour from Pittsfield, our childhood home, so headed

south and then west on old U.S. 36 to spend the night there. Stayed

at the Green Acres Motel that was once owned by my aunt and uncle and

where I used to cut grass for seventy-five cents per hour. Visited

one of the local saloons, former site of a pool room where I misspent

part of my youth, and struck up conversations with the locals and

were soon playing "remember when" and "remember who." Lots of fun

taking that particular time travel and comforting to once again be

a "local" with roots. This is especially enjoyable if one is a

former high school athlete because we are still REMEMBERED. Great

for the ego! This is opposed to currently being anonymous in St.

Louis County after having lived here for over 30 years. I like that

too, however.

It rained the next morning for a dreary return trip to St. Louis and

got Big Blue dirty. Hate it when that happens. All in all, though,

a very fun trip....Bliss

May 12, 2003

Thanks to Dave and Alex and Jennifer for the kind words and the

encouragement. You don't know how much I love this subject.

Dave, coming from someone as cranky as you, the praise is a compliment

of the highest kind.

Alex, I am familiar with parts of the routes you describe. I have

driven Wolfeboro to Center Sandwich on 109, with diversions here and

there, like Castle in the Clouds. The Sandwiches are delightful.

Here we go again with Sandwiches. Dave, you can pair peanut butter

with raspberry jam or peach jam or -- what do I care? -- traffic jam.

I mentioned Concord grapes 'cause of the old Ephraim Bull homestead

on Mass. Route 2A.

Anyway, back to your post, Alex. I have done the portion of Route 35

through the lovely Waterfords to Bethel. Ahh, the foothills of the

White Mountains.

I have a couple of other really good Maine roads to recommend: Route

219 between North Waterford and Wayne, and Route 32 from China Lake

down to New Harbor. I have a fondness for Waldoboro, where

five-masters were once built in its tiny harbor (!), and where you can

spend delirious hours at the museum the Historical Society maintains,

complete with one-room schoolhouse, Paul Revere bell, and scads of old

Maine country artifacts kept with great devotion over the years by the

volunteers. Fifty paces away from the museum is the original town

pound, where stray animals were kept long, long ago. It is in

absolutely beautiful condition. Made of great slabs of granite,

balanced one atop another (without mortar) to form a pen 15' square.

Poundkeepers were probably boys whose modest wages came from the fines

they collected from the animals' owners.

I know of two other extant pounds, both in New Hampshire. You could

only stumble on them if you are backroading.

New Harbor, where 32 ends, is just a few miles from Pemaquid Point,

one of my favorite places ever ever ever. Pictures, anyone? Go here:

http://www.lighthouse.cc/pemaquid/thumbs.html

Regards to all.

TJ (in really snowy New York).

May 13, 2003

Oh, I forgot to mention that Waldoboro (Maine) -- cited in my post of

four hours previous -- should be pronounced "Valdoboro," since it was

settled by Germans. Who, before leaving their homeland, were told by

the guy that sold them the deed to their piece of America, that they

could move to Paradise. As Alex surely knows, Maine approaches

Paradise for what? Three, four, maybe five months a year? It is

otherwise downright COLD.

Or, as Mainers see it, there are two seasons in Maine. Winter and

July.

Anyway, the denizens of Waldoboro have made the best of it. It is a

beautiful place.

Thanks, everyone.

TJ

June 2, 2003

Pat,

Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never mind the car

race! That is great what the city has done with the bridge. There is a group of

66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our cookbook pal Marian Clark, working with

the city of Tulsa to embrace the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the same way. The

good news is that with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to Tulsa in 2004,

there is now active discussion taking place about getting the bridge ready for

that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy people in touch with the

Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was done there. If so, I can put

you in touch with Marian.

Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a regular in

American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the premier issue is fast taking

shape. Stay tuned . . .

Jim R.

June 2, 2003

Jim,

That's good to hear Tulsa is finally taking care of that treasure.

Every time I've gone through Tulsa and passed the 11th St. bridge, I

feared it would meet a dubious end.

For a mid-size city, Indianapolis does have a lot of good road

heritage, with six US highways. Unfortunately, not one of them go

through the heart of the city anymore...they're all looped around the

beltway interstate. But thanks to an old Standard Oil map predating

the evil I's, I've been able to get a handle on the pathes all six

took through the city. One was just down the street from our house,

but I'm afraid US 136 doesn't light a fire under too many folks when

it comes to highway lore. :-) Give our regards to the Ma Road!

Pat

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@e...>

wrote:

> Pat,

>

> Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never

mind the car race! That is great what the city has done with the

bridge. There is a group of 66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our

cookbook pal Marian Clark, working with the city of Tulsa to embrace

the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the same way. The good news is that

with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to Tulsa in 2004, there is

now active discussion taking place about getting the bridge ready for

that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy people in

touch with the Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was done

there. If so, I can put you in touch with Marian.

>

> Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a

regular in American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the

premier issue is fast taking shape. Stay tuned . . .

>

> Jim R.

>

June 3, 2003

Is there a way to procure/purchase a copy of the picture of the Arch on the

roadside photos.com website (my computer is a dinosaur, so the picture doesn't

come out as clear as I would like)...it has changed a bit since 1992--especially

the building behind it--would like to get a copy if possible...thank you, Kip

Welborn

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>

> My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S. 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming

> MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri Arkansas border is something to

> behold and if I had a computer that could put the pic on line I would do

> so!

Delurking for a moment...

Here's a shot of that arch from my site:

<A

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/1992-706a.jpg</A>

roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of travelogues from my drives

along the old roads. It will eventually have a lot more images, organized

thematically -- I'm slowly working my way through over 7,000 photos

and 5,000 postcards. Enjoy!

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If anyone wants more info. about the U. S. 40 Today book I put up a

one page website - go to:

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June 6, 2003

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June 6, 2003

I've been wondering the same thing. Three other Yahoo groups to which I

subscribe are relatively spam-free!

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June 6, 2003

Pat

Looking forward to hearing about your trip on your return. I, too,

get to go on a bit of a road trip this weekend. Unfortunately,

though, tonight we are superslabbing up to Sacramento on I-5.

Hopefully on the return on Sunday I'll get to take 99 back. Depends

on how late we actually get on the road to return.

On another note, we went up 395 a couple of weeks ago to Bishop. We

spent two nights in Lone Pine and went into Death Valley. Has anyone

driven into Death Valley from the west? That approach road is

deceptive. First, you cross the Owens Valley and then climb the

first mountain range. Then you drop into the Panamint Valley before

crossing the Panamint Mountains. All four grades are at least 7% and

one is 9%! Unbelieveable. Fortunately, Heather (yes, my car has a

name!) was able to make the climb. Surprisingly she liked the

downhill even less. But even she would agree that it was well worth

the hassles! Death Valley is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL destination,

and one that we will surely get back to.

(Yes, this was a blatant attempt to bring this group back on topic!)

Scott Piotrowski, Director

66 Productions

www.66productions.com

June 6, 2003

Scott,

I drove that road about 10 years ago.......thanks for the memory jog. One thing

that comes to mind is

the fabulous view from the scenic overlook on the east side of the valley. I

recall sitting & staring at the

valley, studying the details for a couple of hours. Fabulous!!

Ted

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