Guest Hank Hallmark Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 This kind of dedication deserves to be recognized by all "roadies"--especially the Route 66 media and organizations like the Nat'l Federation and the CART66PF. Scott, this is 'specially for you.... Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Bakerhab@aol.com To:thehallmarks@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Fwd: Goffsgram 21 December 2002 The attached email announces an extremely generous donation. Dennis and Jo Ann Dennis G. Casebier goffs@eastmojave.net have given us all a gift that is beyond measure. I hope that each of you will be able to visit Goffs in the future and meet Dennis and Jo Ann, and some of the wonderful Friends who have helped over the years. Your continued support and interest in the Goffs Cultural Center is appreciated. Happy Holidays Harry, Helen and Elizabeth Baker Goffsgram 21 December 2002 From Dennis Casebier goffs@eastmojave.net 21 December 2002. Saturday. "A promise made is a debt unpaid." Jo Ann and I first started looking at the Goffs Schoolhouse property in August of 1989. We knew doing anything with the property would be a huge job -- something we could not do ourselves. We talked with many Friends of the Mojave Road, some of whom had been with us ten years at that time. Many said they'd help. Some, it was clear, had reservations -- they had signed on to the Friends to develop backcountry trails and that was their focus. This sounded different. We made the decision to go ahead, banking on support from the Friends, and extending the promise ourselves that whatever was developed would be donated some day to a non-profit corporation that we intended to form. And that's where the line, "A promise made is a debt unpaid," from Robert Service's poem, The Cremation of Sam McGee, that has been so much on my mind these past 13 years, came from. The years passed. In 1993 the Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association was formed and we began raising funds to restore the Schoolhouse. By 1998 we were ready so Jo Ann and I donated the Schoolhouse and the acre it sits on to the MDHCA. The Association then proceeded to restore the building and did such a masterful job that the schoolhouse is now on the National Register of Historic Places. But that was only part of the "promise made." The Association continued to gain strength. Jo Ann and I offered to donate the 70 acres of the property west of Lanfair Road with almost all (we have retained ownership of our living space but not the land it sits on) to the MDHCA if the Association could get the 112-acre property split in two pieces. Under the leadership of Chris Ervin, and with the expenditure of more than $30,000, that has been accomplished. The subdivision was formally recorded on 22 November 2002. On 17 December 2002 Dennis and Jo Ann Casebier signed the deed before a notary granting "Parcel 1" (that's the 70 acres west of Lanfair Road) of the new parcel map to the MDHCA. On 19 December 2002 Dennis Casebier recorded that deed with the County Recorder of San Bernardino County on behalf of the Association and hence the process is completed. The promise is fulfilled. There are a few details to be taken care of yet. The MDHCA is required by agreements with Casebiers to do an appraisal of the property that has been transferred. That is in motion. Also, the elements of a formal agreement involving the transfer of the property and the status of personal property has been approved by the MDHCA Board of Directors and has been submitted to an attorney to be finalized. As to the value of the property being donated, in a very real way it is priceless. We won't know the official appraisal value for some time but it will likely be in the $200,000 to $300,000 range. As part of the same process that resulted in the lot split of the original 112 acres at Goffs, a Conditional Use Permit has been approved during the past year by San Bernardino County that will permit the MDHCA to operate legally as a museum and to make necessary expansions. These events present the MDHCA with a huge challenge. There is a need for additional income for operating expenses and an even larger need for capital improvements (at the top of the list are a new caretaker residence and library and office buildings). We ask our membership to support these things. We also ask our membership to give of themselves -- to involve themselves and their personal talents to help us deal with the challenges that lay ahead. I thank you all who have done so much to get us where we are. Literally hundreds of people have contributed in countless ways. And it is that continuing support that will enable us to meet our new challenges. (It would be impossible to name everyone that has helped -- but it is all laid out in more than 20 years of Mojave Road Reports). As to Jo Ann and I. With one promise fulfilled, we're ready to make another one. We promise to stick with this place and put every ounce of energy we have (that gets a little less with each advancing year) into making the Goffs Cultural Center a success. While we have fulfilled a promise, we have not completed the job. We have no more of a feeling that we are through with this project than parents would have who have just dropped their child off for the first day of school. Best wishes for the holidays, Dennis & Jo Ann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim conkle Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Hi Trevor, I too am from Indiana, Richmond in fact, and now live in Southern California. Hwy 40 (The National Road) went right by my Grandfather's house in Centerville. Check out our web site www.cart66pf.org Hope to see you on the road sometime. James M. Conkle, Executive Director California Route 66 Preservation Foundation P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760-843-5660 760-617-3991 cell jim@cart66pf.org www.cart66pf.org -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:raceamerica@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:26 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Digest Number 34 Hello, I now reside in Hollywood, California but am an Indiana native. In recent years, I have been very pleased to see the work done to the downtown Canal of which they have incorporated the bridge you described below. I highly recommend setting aside at least an hour or two to wander along the canal when any of you are in Indianapolis. Also, I have always loved US-40 for the wonderful variety of antique shops as well as the terrific resource of roadside motels still standing (though primarily converted to residences or abandoned altogether these days). Trevor Chowning In a message dated 1/6/03 3:12:07 AM, AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes: << Subject: National Road Pics Evening folks! We spent a nice day photographing some of the various architecture in downtown Indianapolis Saturday. Among those were of US 40/The National Road. Of interest to me was the old US 40 bridge that once carried traffic across the White River on the near westside of downtown Indy. Built in 1916, it was in service for nearly 70 years before being closed in the early 1980's. At that time, US 40 was re-routed south to make way for the new Indianapolis Zoo. Nearly half a mile of original National Road was wiped out in favor of homes for monkeys and elephants. However, the bridge was kept intact, but sat dormant for nearly 10 years before it was converted to an immaculate pedestrian bridge complete with a grassy median and various pieces of artwork. It is also part of a network of biking/jogging trails throughout Indianapolis. There is an interpretive display on the west entrance of the bridge detailing some of the various river crossings at this location throughout history. One thing that I'm going to look into is why there aren't any of the new "Historic National Road" signs on the bridge that are now dotting the landscape in Indiana from Richmond to Terre Haute. I'll try to get in touch with the Indiana National Road Association to see what their stance is on this. Seems only fitting they should have one at each end of the bridge, instead of at the bridge south of the historic one. If you want to be techinical about it, that new bridge and the re-routed alignment of Washtington St. were never the National Road at all! I've posted a few of the pics to our Photo Section at our website. Click on the link here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/lst I have them posted in the "National Road-Indianapolis" folder. Enjoy! Pat Bremer Speedway, IN List Host, AMERICAN ROAD >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT var lrec_target="_top"; var lrec_URL = new Array(); lrec_URL[1] = "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=219695.2777699.41409...pweb/S=17072845 07:HM/A=1400466/R=0/id=flashurl/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;5046279;77905 48;y?http://www.ameritrade.com/o.cgi?a=cjx&...=/offer/25.html"; var link="DEFANGED_java script:LRECopenWindow(1)"; var lrec_flashfile = 'http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/am/ame...ban_bc_x49_x_30 0x250_3.swf?clickTAG='+link+''; var lrec_altURL = "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=219695.2777699.41409...pweb/S=17072845 07:HM/A=1400466/R=1/id=altimgurl/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;5046279;7790 548;y?http://www.ameritrade.com/o.cgi?a=cjx&...=/offer/25.html"; var lrec_altimg = "http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/am/ame...ban_off_x82_x_3 00x250_6.gif"; var lrec_width = 300; var lrec_height = 250; Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Hey Slim,. my personal check of $6.32 for the book is in the mail today and I look forward to finally obtaining a copy of U. S. 40 Revisited. February is Black History Month which is coincidentally the shortest and coldest month of the year, anyways I am putting a little more empahsis than usual on the great black composers and players when I listen to music or play the piano. In reality though for me when it comes to music every month is Black History Month. Remember the big surge in nostalgia in the 70s, well ragtime music was a part of that and I discovered it on my own about two years before it hit the mainstream with The Sting. Since then I have worked my way up through Harlem Stride, Swing and Pre-Bop and on through Be Bop which gets you into the Hard Bop and Free Jazz styles. The later Fusion styles do not interest me very much yet. So around here the big names are Monk, Ellington, Mingus, Waller and too many more to list right now. All this on the piano, it has been a thirtytwo year project thus far. I discovered some realphoto postcards of The Pacific Highway a few years later so collecting road memorabilia has been going on for almost thirty years...but my keen interest in old roads goes back as far as I can remember. There is a quarter mile section of a cutoff loop of single slab cement concrete from the 1920s that is about a mile from where I grew up and every now and then we take another detour onto it and it never gets old. One thing that is really neat about it is an actual S curve with no tangent between, first you are banked and curving left and then to the right. Road engineers call this a 'reverse' curve and due to the dangerous propensity for instability they came to realize this was a really bad idea so they don't make 'em like that anymore. Speaking of old time I see where Ypsilanti is near Willow Run and I wonder what happened to the gigantic plant Ford built there during the war, I think I heard Chrysler bought it. Ford, The Men and the Machine is a 1986 book by Robert Lacey that deals with it's subject in considerable depth.+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S Rein Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks Dave, It's already in the mail today. I listened to Art Blakey, and Lee Morgan today so I see we're on the same track both musically and highwayally. That "roofed in part of the earth" (perhaps still the largest single story building in the world) was a B-24 Bomber plant in WWII. It produced 8700 planes - almost one an hour when fully operational with Rosie the Riveter. They say the first expressway and overpass were built as part of the roadway between Detroit and Willow Run during the war. The National Archives has a Ford Motor Co. film clip of the Overpass opening with Henry Ford. Later it featured a passenger terminal before the Detroit Metropolitan Airport was opened further east down I-94. It was sold by the Federal Government to University of Michigan for $1.00 in 1947. It was leased shortly thereafter by the Kaiser-Frazer company which produced it's cars there until the mid-50's. In 1977 U of M sold the site to Wayne County, MI for a $1.00. Later it became a Chrysler plant, and subsequently lost out to Tennessee in the bidding for the first Saturn plant - when it closed it was a big blow to the local economy and employment. It continues to serve as an airport for general aviation, has grown to be one of the largest cargo airports, and also has hanger facilities for a lot of executive type planes. It also features the Yankee Airforce Museum. Preston Tucker is also from Ypsilanti, and did his early engineering here. His nephew has a coffee shop in the Depot Town part of Ypsilanti. And the Tucker Club held their 50th anniversary convention here a few years ago. A car called the Apex was also made here in the early teens but I don't know much about it. ypsi-slim On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:15:17 EST drivewdave@aol.com writes: > Hey Slim,. my personal check of $6.32 for the book is in the mail > today > and I look forward to finally obtaining a copy of U. S. 40 > Revisited. > > February is Black History Month which is coincidentally the > shortest > and coldest month of the year, anyways I am putting a little more > empahsis than usual on the great black composers and players > when I listen to music or play the piano. In reality though for > me when it comes to music every month is Black History Month. > Remember the big surge in nostalgia in the 70s, well ragtime > music was a part of that and I discovered it on my own about > two years before it hit the mainstream with The Sting. > Since then I have worked my way up through Harlem Stride, > Swing and Pre-Bop and on through Be Bop which gets you > into the Hard Bop and Free Jazz styles. The later Fusion > styles do not interest me very much yet. So around here > the big names are Monk, Ellington, Mingus, Waller and too > many more to list right now. All this on the piano, it has > been a thirtytwo year project thus far. I discovered some > realphoto postcards of The Pacific Highway a few years > later so collecting road memorabilia has been going on > for almost thirty years...but my keen interest in old > roads goes back as far as I can remember. There is a > quarter mile section of a cutoff loop of single slab > cement concrete from the 1920s that is about a > mile from where I grew up and every now and then > we take another detour onto it and it never gets old. > One thing that is really neat about it is an actual > S curve with no tangent between, first you are > banked and curving left and then to the right. > Road engineers call this a 'reverse' curve and > due to the dangerous propensity for instability > they came to realize this was a really bad idea > so they don't make 'em like that anymore. > > Speaking of old time I see where Ypsilanti is near Willow Run > and I wonder what happened to the gigantic plant Ford built > there during the war, I think I heard Chrysler bought it. > Ford, The Men and the Machine is a 1986 book by Robert Lacey > that deals with it's subject in considerable depth.+ > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 hey Slim, thanks for shipping the book so fast and for the rundown on the Willow Run plant. Here's the deal to the best of my knowledge, Willow Run was and perhaps still is the largest enclosed space in terms of acreage or floor space. However, when the Boeing built the 747 assembly building in the 60s (a bit north of the home of Mock Turtle Press) it became the largest enclosed space in terms of overall volume due to its height, the proportions are almost that of a cube. The building is known for its own weather as clouds form inside occasionally. Cape Canaveral also has an extremely large enclosed volume with the Vertical Assembly building, it might be the second largest. Oh yeah, if highwayally refers to things highway would things alley be alleyally? And would things wise be wisewise? just wondering... Regarding Art Blakey he is the Route 66 or U S 40 of bop drummers. His 9-22-54 date with Monk and Percy Heath is just breathtaking. A lot of great players came from the motor city, the late Tommy Flanagan and the Jones brothers to name just a few. That reminds me, I was in Detroit in 1982 and took a run from downtown out to the GM Tech Center out on I think maybe Fifteen Mile Road. I was just amazed to see mile after mile after mile of burnt out stores that were not yet rebuilt after the riots of fifteen years earlier. I wonder if it has improved very much another twenty years later. When I got back I told people it reminded me of Tacomas infamous Hilltop area but on a vast scale. I had seen the collosal Uniroyal tire on I-94 in pictures but it was an awe-inspiring sight when it suddenly appeared on the horizon. With familiar things it is harder to have a fresh experience, you have lost your innocence. When my best friend took her eight year old son to Seattle on old 99 she deliberately did not mention the famous Hat n' Boots gas station and when they rolled by there "his eyes got real wide" she said. I can never have that experience again and it happened too early for me to remember the first time. The same goes for Bob's Java Jive on South Tacoma Way, it's always 'been there for me' as they say. But one great thing about the highway hobby is you don't always know just what to expect and often this is good. The bulk of my old road discoveries are made on the ground rather than from indoor research. An indoor search is better to help interpret what was found on the ground. The library work can point you in the right direction when you are in the early exploratory stage. One good online resource for researching old roads is terraserver.com with one meter resolution satellite images and topo maps and you can go back and forth between photo and map. For just topo maps topozone.com has clearer images. Or you can just go by the book and go buy the book. To me this is about the same as stamp collecting where you do everything by the numbers. There is no catalog for my highway postcards and that's the way I like it. This means everything I have not seen yet is new to me instead of something I already saw in some book. I know his is kind of a hardline position I am taking but I have found the best road fun is the kind that results from my personal effort and maybe some serendipity. Sure I could have looked up some old sources to learn the first route of the Pacific Highway north of Stanwood and it would have been satisfying enough that way but it was way more fun to be following the first 99 alignment and spot the county road sign that said Old Pacific Hwy and turn off to follow the unexpected old old old route. It was more fun to spot the leftover ten yards of single-slab where the curve was eased when I did not know of it, it's possibly the only original Pacific Highway pavement to be seen in all Snohomish County, go and find out for yourself. For years and years whenever I looked at a 20s realphoto postcard identified only as Pacific Hiwy. Douglas Cty. Ore. I would always wonder where it was taken. Then finally one summer evening south of Drain I drove around a bend and all of a sudden I was there and it literally felt like I was driving into a postcard as in a dream. Very little had changed, the RR track was still there, and the trees were similar, the only difference was modern guardrails and blacktop. It was so unexpected that even though alone I yelled out in surprise. You don't get that out of a book...meanwhile, happy motoring, Dave p.s. someday I would hope to chance upon the location of one of my favorite images in Stewarts U.S. 40, Target of Opportinity.. U.S. 40 Revisitedbook has more specific information as to location this will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 In a message dated 2/11/03 2:07:50 AM, drivewdave@aol.com writes: << p.s. someday I would hope to chance upon the location of one of my favorite images in Stewarts U.S. 40, Target of Opportinity.. U.S. 40 Revisitedbook has more specific information as to location this will >> sorry folks, wasn't quite done there as you can see. the mouse fell and hit the auxillary Enter key next to the numeric keypad at the lower right of the keyboard. If you are writing mail and hit the extra Enter key your mail is sent whether you are done or not. what I was trying to get at is this, in Stewarts book image 66 titled Target of Opportunity is only described as being a few miles west of image 65 which is described as west of Duchesne, Utah. If the newer book has this image and gives it a specific location it will be a quandry, likely I will have to try and ignore it if I want to hang on to any uncertainty or mystery. Some of you may be saying, you dummy, all you have to do is look at the map on page 188 and you can see right where it is and that may be somewhat true but we are still talking about 'a few miles' which is a fairly vague amount when you consider the scale of the map and the scale of the landscape. If later books reduce the mystery of 'a few miles' to a specific number like 9.7 then no more surprise. Speaking of transcontinental trip images, about 30 years ago I saw a home movie made with the time-lapse technique, a complete coast to coast interstate trip was reduced to half an hour, now that's the kind of documentation we need, intensive. Too bad Andy Warhol never took to the road. He made an all day movie once, eight continuous hours of the Empire State Building without moving the camera, a static shot. He also made an all night static shot movie of a sleeper. These are of course grueling for most audiences. More than once when Andy took a college speaking engagement he sent a ringer in his place. It is sort of appropriate when you consider his fascination with mass production and manufactured image. How about a five day video of your road trip... it would not even cost that much. Actually now that I think of it the famous1964 trip of Kesey's Furthur resulted in hundreds of hours of footage, very little of which is ever seen except by a few insiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Looking for an opinion or two here. We'll be attending the Tucumcari Roadie thing in July and since Navigator and I will have officially begun retirement, there is no urgency for our return to the Gateway. We're going to Tucumcari on '66, of course, but are wondering about alternate blue highways for the trip back. Has anyone cruised U.S. 54 east from Tucumcari, across TX and OK and into KS? It appears to be a road less traveled, yet one that would allow us to check out Garden City and Holcomb (the infamous In Cold Blood adventure). Would like to hear thoughts and/or experiences regarding this particular highway. We have traveled 54 in MO and love the way it winds through the Ozarks. Thanks. Cruisin', Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Settle Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Oh yes, U.S. 54. A road I really like. Before you get to Nevada MO. (WB of course) the winding is history but for true 2 laners it is a must see. We were in Holcomb in 1966 when the incident was only about 8 years old and was still a topic of conversation. Last April we did it again and it seemed the world class feed lots and packing house were the main tourist attractions. And of course US 50. The prime portion of 54 is actually the 125 miles from Vaughn down to Tularosa. Narrow road, heavy truck traffic, and pretty country. Think US 66 from Kingman to Seligman, until they widened it in the middle 60's. Hope you have a great time, Dave in Fortuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Brusca Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Sorry about the cross posting. I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well, mostly Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE Five, or THE Fifteen. THE Whatever! I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to highways this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in Hollywood! Frank Brusca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Carnachan Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Frank, I don't know that I have any sort of authoritative source on this issue, but I do have some ideas. Perhaps others can provide something more objective and less subjective. As a Los Angeles native who has also lived in the Bay Area, I think I can fairly safely say that the phenomenon you refer to is limited to Southern Californians in general and residents of Greater Los Angeles in particular. You'll rarely hear any Northern California natives refer to their freeways as "THE 80" or "THE 101". It's usually us Southern California transplants that do that. My theory is this: when freeways were first being built and opened in the Los Angeles metro area in the 1940s through 1960s, they were generally the first to be built in the state and they were assigned names before they were assigned numbers -- the Santa Monica Freeway, Golden State Freeway, and Santa Ana Freeway were identified as the "names" of these new highways rather than the U.S. 99 or U.S. 101 freeways. I've asked my parents about this, both of whom were also born and raised in Los Angeles and San Diego and were first learning to drive during the years the first freeways were being opened. They knew U.S. 99 as being San Fernando Road and U.S. 101 being Whittier Boulevard; the freeways were given the non-numeric names in order to distinguish them from the surface street routings. No matter that the highway numbers were eventually shifted over to the freeways -- the names stuck. To this day, my parents generally refer to these highways by their non-numeric names -- THE Santa Ana Freeway (not just "Santa Ana Freeway"). I think that because most Los Angeles area residents of that generation first became accustomed to using the article "THE" before the freeway name, they have carried this over as they have gradually adopted the numeric reference so that it is no longer just "I-5" but "THE 5". Though freeways in Northern California also were given names ("Bayshore Freeway", "Nimitz Freeway"), they were first known and referred to by their numbers ("US 101 Bypass") and so the non-numeric name never really caught on with the general public. Plus, CalTrans (or the Division of Highways as it was then known) actually placed the non-numeric name on the big green signs in Southern California; they did not do this to my knowledge in Northern California. This had to have helped to encourage widespread adoption of the non-numeric reference names. This is only my theory, but I think it's a fairly sound one. For the record, when I'm visiting home, I refer to freeways as "THE 5" or "THE 405"; when I lived in the Bay Area or now in my home in Denver, they are just "I-80" or "I-25". Just peer pressure I suppose! Cheers, Rob Carnachan ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Brusca To: ; AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ; LincolnHighway@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [route-40] Highway Nicknames Sorry about the cross posting. I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well, mostly Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE Five, or THE Fifteen. THE Whatever! I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to highways this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in Hollywood! Frank Brusca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Smith Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 When you write "THE" in all capitals like that, I can't help but imagine the word "THE" just above the intersate shield (in place of "EAST" or "TO") and it's a really funny idea! Nice imagery to make fun of SoCal'ers. By the way, I think they do that up in Ontario too. I.e., The 401, The 407, and The QEW. David Smith a.k.a. Bir'din -- On Sat, 10 May 2003 21:05:18 Rob Carnachan wrote: >Frank, > >I don't know that I have any sort of authoritative source on this issue, but I do have some ideas. Perhaps others can provide something more objective and less subjective. As a Los Angeles native who has also lived in the Bay Area, I think I can fairly safely say that the phenomenon you refer to is limited to Southern Californians in general and residents of Greater Los Angeles in particular. You'll rarely hear any Northern California natives refer to their freeways as "THE 80" or "THE 101". It's usually us Southern California transplants that do that. > >My theory is this: when freeways were first being built and opened in the Los Angeles metro area in the 1940s through 1960s, they were generally the first to be built in the state and they were assigned names before they were assigned numbers -- the Santa Monica Freeway, Golden State Freeway, and Santa Ana Freeway were identified as the "names" of these new highways rather than the U.S. 99 or U.S. 101 freeways. I've asked my parents about this, both of whom were also born and raised in Los Angeles and San Diego and were first learning to drive during the years the first freeways were being opened. They knew U.S. 99 as being San Fernando Road and U.S. 101 being Whittier Boulevard; the freeways were given the non-numeric names in order to distinguish them from the surface street routings. No matter that the highway numbers were eventually shifted over to the freeways -- the names stuck. To this day, my parents generally refer to these highways by their non-numeric names -- T HE Santa Ana Freeway (not just "Santa Ana Freeway"). > >I think that because most Los Angeles area residents of that generation first became accustomed to using the article "THE" before the freeway name, they have carried this over as they have gradually adopted the numeric reference so that it is no longer just "I-5" but "THE 5". Though freeways in Northern California also were given names ("Bayshore Freeway", "Nimitz Freeway"), they were first known and referred to by their numbers ("US 101 Bypass") and so the non-numeric name never really caught on with the general public. Plus, CalTrans (or the Division of Highways as it was then known) actually placed the non-numeric name on the big green signs in Southern California; they did not do this to my knowledge in Northern California. This had to have helped to encourage widespread adoption of the non-numeric reference names. > >This is only my theory, but I think it's a fairly sound one. For the record, when I'm visiting home, I refer to freeways as "THE 5" or "THE 405"; when I lived in the Bay Area or now in my home in Denver, they are just "I-80" or "I-25". Just peer pressure I suppose! > >Cheers, >Rob Carnachan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank Brusca > To: ; AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ; LincolnHighway@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM > Subject: [route-40] Highway Nicknames > > > Sorry about the cross posting. > > > > I need an authoritative source that explains how Californians (well, mostly Californians) refer to the Interstates as THE Eighty, or THE Five, or THE Fifteen. THE Whatever! > > > > I thought it kind of interesting that Texan Larry McMurtry refers to highways this way in his book Roads - shows he's spent some time in Hollywood! > > > > Frank Brusca > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Hunter Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 I just happened across the web site for American Road Magazine and was intrigued. Besides covering a subject that is near and dear to my heart the site is very nicely done. In 1962 I traveled out west from Corpus Christi, Texas with my family. During that trip we traveled a part of the "Mother Road", Route 66 through parts of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Since that time I have been hooked on travel and history and the mystique of historic American highways. I am currently looking to establish good working relationships with publications that can use my stock photographs on a regular basis as well as provide assignments. I have been a full-time freelance photographer since 1984 and can work with any format from 35mm to 4x5, though I generally prefer 35mm unless an assignment requires otherwise. My work covers a wide range of subjects, from historical and archeological sites to landscapes, scenics, and nature. It also includes some of the wonderful people that make New Mexico such an interesting place to live. I would like to request a copy of your photographers guidelines and rates if available. Please include my name and address on your available photographers list and to your mailing list for any photographic want lists that you may send out. I would very much like the opportunity to submit any stock photographs I may have that would fit your needs for upcoming articles in American Road Magazine and again, I am also available for assignments. Additional information, as well as a small selection of my work can be found online at http://www.jimhunter.com Sincerely, Jim Hunter Photography Assignment - Stock - Fine Art 6300 Prairie Sage, NW Albuquerque, NM 87120 505-898-9039 http://www.jimhunter.com jim@jimhunter.com Remember, images are the primary vehicle of communicating in our culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest airfrogusmc Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Hey everyone, I just put a couple of new images in a folder marked "Allen More stuff". I took these on my 4th of July road trip to St Louis. The photo of the Tropics is so typical of whats happening today. Corporations are squeezing out the small family owned businesses. Last time I went through Lincoln the Tropics was closed but it seems to have reopened. When I was young my parents had good friends that lived in St Louis and we would always stop at the Tropics on the way down from Chicago. Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich Rheingold Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 This was sent to me on our regular website.( During September, a group of four of us will be making a trip fromBoston to Newport, Oregon. The journey will be chronicled at www.seatosea2003.org with daily updates. The Website is still under construction, but by D-day (Aug. 30th) it should be up and running.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 you dont happen to be related to the beer producing Rheingolds (of " Miss Rheingold" fame) do you? If so, 1) my brother was extremely disappointed when I could not find any of the family product when I was out there last year...2) from personal experience, U.S. 20 trekking across NY is one of the coolest drives any roadie could ever hope to take (I will spell it wrong, but we stayed in a town called Skaneatlas on the finger lakes and stayed at a really excellent roadside motel--The Whispering Winds, I believe it was--outside of town.)...3) Rheingold's competition, Genessee, has an excellent billboard on top of a building in Auburn NY, and across the street from that is a diner--the Hunter Dineraunt--which is an original straight out of the factory diner from 1950 that looks just like it did 50 years ago and preps a breakfast that is worth coming back for...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Rheingold" <elmerave@hotmail.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Article about route 20 from Syracuse New Times Cover Story --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- A Road Runs Through It Route 20 reveals unexpected treasures to those who take their time Photos by Michael Davis Text by J.T. Hall --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- In many ways, and in many places, a trip across New York state on Route 20 remains a journey into the past. This old federal highway, which spans the continent--it is one-third again as long as its more celebrated cousin, Route 66--enters New York in obscurity from Massachusetts at New Lebanon and exits quietly into the northwestern spur of Pennsylvania, more than 340 miles to the west, at Ripley. Some of the places along the way are well-known; Albany and Buffalo lie near either end, and a few Erie Canal-era towns like Auburn, Seneca Falls, Geneva and Canandaigua have made their own mark on history. Yet much smaller, obscure hamlets are the rule. Silver Creek, Pavilion Center, Bloomfield and Avon (pronounced Aaa-von) to the west, and West Winfield, Richfield Springs, Leesville and Esperance to the east characterize a largely rural highway bypassed by the hum of commerce and development. Route 20 originated in 1799 when the New York State Legislature, in the interest of emigration and commerce, commissioned private companies to develop turnpikes, for which the companies were permitted to charge tolls. In Central New York, the Cherry Valley Turnpike connected Albany first to Cherry Valley and then, at the initiative of Cazenovia's John Lincklaen, to Cazenovia and Manlius. To the west, the Seneca Turnpike proceeded to Skaneateles. This patchwork system eventually bisected the state, and a surge of traffic followed. Route 20 carried emigrants in covered wagons, drovers following herds, and freight in utility rigs. The traffic ebbed, however, when the Erie Canal opened in 1825, offering easier, safer travel. By 1859, the state had bought out all of the original turnpike companies, eliminating tolls. After the Civil War, a wave of improvements ensued, making routes like the Cherry Valley Turnpike easier to traverse. Route 20 languished, however, while the east-west corridor to the north--the Mohawk Valley, the Erie Canal and the railroad routes--saw industrial development. The advent of automobile travel brought new life to the old road after 1915, spurring road improvements and commercial development aimed at travelers. As with its earlier prosperity, however, Route 20 would once again see its lifeblood drawn off by a better option to the north. When the New York State Thruway opened in the mid- 1950s, the road to the south began yet another decline. Today Route 20 is an amalgam of the past and the present, a worn anachronism at one turn, an enduring symbol of vitality at the next. Buffalo's Rich Stadium looms near one terminus, Albany's Empire State Plaza at the other. And somewhere along the road connecting them are fallow fields regenerating into forests, farm stands spilling over with bountiful harvests, post-and-beam barns on their last legs and prosperous farms with "Dairy of Distinction" laurels postered out front. Travelers also find forlorn roadside cabins whose last guests departed a generation ago, a giant teepee full of knickknacks, quaint lakeside villages favored by the rich and famous, dead farm equipment, fast-food joints, real diners and lots of open space. The road may have gone north, but after more than 200 years, Route 20 remains what it must have been at the beginning: a fascinating drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Back to the Find out about Rway Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Copyright A© 2000, Rway Communications a division of RAS, Inc. Syracuse New Times content is Copyright 2000 by A. Zimmer Ltd., used by permission. It's not our fault! Please read this disclaimer. Send feedback to snt@syracusenewtimes.com Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 The good folks at Shady Jacks in Villa Ridge, MO who have agreed to store the Arch Motel sign, are having a preregistration party for the Bikers for Babes ride to support the March of Dimes. the Preregistration event will take place on Saturday October 11, between 12 p.m and 6 p.m at Shady Jacks, 3417 highway O in Villa Ridge...there will be a silent auction at Shady Jacks as well as live music, food and fun! For St. Louis participants, the actual Bikers for Babes motorcycle ride commences from Union Station in St. Louis on October 12 at 11:45 a.m with a registration and breakfast beginning at 8:00 a.m. A complimentary Lunch from Hard Rock Cafe wil be served to all participants after the ride... For more information call Shady Jacks at 636-451-4644 or the March of Dimes at 314-646-0017. As friends of the March of Dimes and friends of our beloved highway, they deserve our support. Thanks, Kip Welborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Worley Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Online at: http://www.txcn.com/travel/stories/100503d...otes.19352.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hit the highway for one heck of a garage sale 06:37 PM CDT on Friday, October 3, 2003 From Staff and Wire Reports / The Dallas Morning News U.S. Highway 80 may one day be celebrated as another legendary "mother road," complete with the nostalgic magnetism currently associated with Route 66. To get things rolling, 22 towns from Grand Prairie to Calhoun, La., are hosting the second annual Historic U.S. 80 Hi-Way Sale & Cruise Oct. 9-12 and Oct. 16-19. It's touted as a 200-mile garage sale, perhaps the second longest in the nation. Owners of classic and special-interest vehicles also are planning shows and cruises along the route. Highway 80 stretches more than 2,400 miles from near Savannah, Ga., to San Diego. Interstate highways such as I-20 have siphoned off long-distance traffic. Contact: 903-234-1820; www.us80.com. Wood artists share their love of mesquite The Mesquite Art Festival, celebrating the beauty of wood from what some consider a nuisance tree, will bring artists and patrons to Fredericksburg Oct. 10-12. Whether you love hand-carved wooden objects, prefer your mesquite in a barbecue grill or haven't a clue what a mesquite tree looks like, the event aims to please. Sixty-five artists will show and sell their work in a juried exhibit in Fredericksburg's historic downtown Marktplatz. Items made from mesquite will range from furniture to sculptures to Christmas ornaments. And, yes, there will be barbecue cooked over mesquite to capture the wood's other distinction, its smoking flavor. Contact: 830-997-8515; www.texasmesquiteassn.org. Bluegrass festival benefits historic site The Jack's Creek Bluegrass Festival will be Oct. 10-11 at the Confederate Reunion Grounds State Historic Site near Mexia, south of Dallas. The event features regional and national bands such as White House Harmony, No Strings Attached, the Coleman Brothers and the Tennessee Gentlemen. Proceeds will benefit the park. Contact: 254-562-5751; www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/confed. Good old days return to Stephenville Stephenville is turning back the calendar to the 1800s for By-Gone Days on the Bosque, a celebration of the Erath County town's settlers to be held Oct. 11 at the downtown village museum. Among the guests and presenters is Bill Marquis of Denton County, who is believed to have the world's largest collection of barbed wire. Trick-roper Burt Hairgrove will perform, while a woodcarver, a dollhouse maker, an antique tool collector and button collectors will have displays. Quilt expert Sharon Newman of Lubbock will show and discuss historic quilts. Other activities include a campfire lunch; frontier crafts and blacksmithing demonstrations; and bluegrass, fiddle and barbershop music. Contact: 254-968-5275. Stephenville is southwest of Fort Worth. Pack your shovel and head for Mount Ida The 17th annual World Championship Quartz Crystal Dig will be Oct. 9-11 at Mount Ida, Ark. It attracts diggers from across the nation. The contest occurs in conjunction with the annual Quartz, Quiltz and Craftz Festival Oct. 10-12. Mount Ida, billed as the "Quartz Crystal Capital of the World," has many mining locations. Contestants are given a choice of mines each day. Using only hand tools, they search for outstanding crystals. Judges determine a dollar value for each miner's entries, and a winner is determined using these figures. Also in town is Ocus Stanley and Son's Mineral Museum. Contact: 870-867-2723; www.mtidachamber.com. Area information: www.arkansas.com/outdoors_sports/crystals/crys tals.asp. Mount Ida is about 35 miles west of Hot Springs. Marfa art foundation schedules open house The Chinati Foundation, a contemporary art museum in Marfa, will have its annual open house Oct. 11-12. It includes an exhibit and talk by artists Claes Oldenburg and Coosje van Bruggen. The festivities includes meals, museum talks, readings, music and more. The museum, founded by artist Donald Judd, specializes in the presentation of permanent large-scale installations, with an emphasis on works in which art and the landscape are linked. Many of the pieces are outdoors or in scattered buildings. Contact: 432-729-4362; www.chinati.org. Are straw men taking over Chappell Hill? Hundreds of scarecrows will appear in Chappell Hill and the surrounding southeast Texas area Oct. 11-12 for the 26th annual Scarecrow Festival. Locals really get into the spirit of competition to see who can top one another from year to year to win the prizes. Downtown, the festival will heat up with about 250 arts and crafts booths, music, food, children's activities, live scarecrows, hayrides and tours. Contact: 1-888-273-6426; www.brenhamtexas.com. Jefferson looks at things that go bump in the night The northeast Texas town of Jefferson is full of mystery, suspense and scares this month as several activities are planned for Halloween. And with the right timing, you could do all of them during the same weekend. • While not technically a Halloween event, the third annual Texas Bigfoot Conference on Oct. 18 offers a daylong slate of speakers who will discuss the history of sightings of the illusive giant apelike creatures. Sponsored by the Texas Bigfoot Research Center in Dallas, it begins at 11 a.m. at the First United Methodist Church of Jefferson. Contact: 1-877-529-5550; www.texasbigfoot.com. • Ghost Walk outings are offered at 8 p.m. each Friday and Saturday. For 12 and older. Contact: 1-800-299-1593; www.historicjefferson.com/ghostwalk. • The Jefferson & Cypress Bayou Railway and the Krewe of Hebe are offering "Runaway Fright Train" rides at 7:30 and 9 p.m. each Friday and Saturday through Nov. 1. and on Oct. 30. Think of it as a haunted house in motion. The narrow-gauge steam railway trip along Big Cypress Bayou takes about 40 minutes. Not recommended for younger than 12. Contact: 903-665-6400; www.jeffer sonrailway.com. Area information: 1-888-467-3529; www.jefferson-texas.com. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Emily and I are taking a trip to Carthage, Mo., to discuss the Boots Motel in front of the city council at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. We're going to request a spot on the agenda, but even if that doesn't happen, we'll speak our piece during the regular public forum part of the meeting. There's going to be another city council meeting at 7:30 Tuesday, Nov. 25, that we -- and hopefully some other prominent Route 66 folks we're going to contact -- will attend. By then, we'll probably know who the new owner of the Boots will be; the closing date on the sale is set for Nov. 21. City Hall is at 326 Grant St., which is about two blocks south and four blocks east of the Boots Motel. In summary, we're going to try to convey the historical and tourism value of the Boots Motel and inform the city that it has the authority within its own ordinances to preserve the motel and urge them to use it. If you all want to come to the meeting Wednesday and Nov. 25 and give speak out that you want the Boots Motel to be preserved, by all means do so. We'll give out more details of the Wednesday meeting and the Nov. 25 meeting as they become available. Here's a good link to the City of Carthage's Web site if you need more info: http://www.carthage-mo.gov Ron Warnick www.friendsofthemotherroad.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Pappas" <DOUGP001@A...> wrote: > See http://ydr.com/story/main/15455/ . > > The garage, which has been in the same family since 1921, may be torn > down for yet another convenience store with self-service gas pumps. > > Let's see if we can stop it. > > Doug Pappas > New York director, Lincoln Highway Association My best advice is: you and all your friends raise hell at the city council meetings or whatever government agency will be involved in this. Don't let the station go down without a fight. Ron Warnick Belleville, IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest laurelrk66@aol.com Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 In a message dated 11/10/2003 2:47:04 AM Central Standard Time, sundayjohn66@aol.com writes: > One hour to slab from Afton to Carthage ... I get the hint, Emily. And of course I'll be there, barring anything unforseen. But take the slab? Surely you jest! :-) Laurel Afton Station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sundayjohn66 Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 I know it's short notice, but I think we can round up a pretty good crew for this meeting. After all, according to Mapquest, it takes ... Two hours and five minutes to superslab from Tulsa to Carthage ... One hour to slab from Afton to Carthage ... One hour and 12 minutes to slab from Springfield, Mo., to Carthage ... Half an hour to slab from Joplin to Carthage ... Three hours and 37 minutes to slab from OKC to Carthage ... Four hours and 20 minutes to slab from St. Louis to Carthage ... Four hours and 39 minutes to slab from Belleville to Carthage ... and Scott Piotrowski, if you called in sick Tuesday, it's only 23 hours and 26 minutes from La-La Land to Carthage. And if y'all need me to sweeten the deal ... the after-City-Council party will be just an hour and 53 minutes from Carthage, at the beautiful Munger Moss in Lebanon. If you were waiting for a good excuse to spend one more night at the Munger Moss before winter spoils the fun, this is it. First round's on me. Emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chetnichols@aol.com Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Just remember...the deal is still "open" up and until....closing....bring your checkbook. If I win the lotto....I'll loan you the money... Chet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Sorry for the spammer that showed up this weekend folks. Unfortunately these things will happen. We were out on the road & didn't find out about it until late Sunday night. We had a very good weekend on the road. We aquired (and ultimately consumed) some exceptional fudge (anyone ever have peanut butter & jelly fudge??) in Madison Saturday morning. It was back on the road to Jeffersonville, IN to check out Schimpff's Confectionery. Had a chocolate Coke (Cherry for the Mrs.) and got a few more high cal goodies for the trip. Finally made it to Cave City late in the afternoon to get some good dusk photos at Wigwam Village #2. Fortunately we had a good blue sky to work with. Later we had an hour long talk with owner Ivan John covering everything from preservation to his "calling" for purchasing the Wigwams. We even had a perfect sky to view the lunar eclipse in a clear Kentucky sky outside our wigwam. After dining on some fine KY BBQ, we called it a night. Sunday morn we had another lengthy talk with Ivan and started our way home. I encourage EVERYONE to plan a trip to this place. Ivan's an absolute gentleman who understands and respects the historic property he has. There's plenty of caves to explore in the are as well. He's open til the end of November, so there's still time for a weekend trip folks! ;-) But he'll reopen in March. (www.wigwamvillage.com) Pat Bremer AR List Co-Host Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicole Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Hi Denny! Glad I could offer a bit of information to you, for whatever it's worth! Those are my favorite Route 66 stomping grounds.....so I'll be sure to keep everyone posted of any new ongoings at Cool Springs Camp. (I wonder if they have electricity yet!?) One of these Sundays I'm gonna have to get there and let everyone know. Viva la Black Mountains and Route 66! Nicole Denny Gibson <mail@dennygibson.com> wrote: Mention of activity east of Oatman caught my attention and a search for Cool Spring Camp turned up some pictures of a place that I'm somewhat familiar with but didn't even suspect had a name. In 1999, it was my indecision about stopping at this very building that was partly the cause of what I've called "falling into a canyon". I had to finish the west bound trip in a rental and without actually getting to Oatman. This past June I stopped (carefully!) and realized that someone had been quite busy even though no one was there. I left a note and hoped I might hear something about the reconstruction. Your message was the first I've heard that work continues and the having a name lead me to a little history about the place. Now I'll know to keep an eye out for news of Cool Spring Camp. --Denny --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 In addition, a letter outlining the "historic, cultural and architectural significance of the Boots Motel" that define it as a historical landmark will be sent out, hopefully to be received by the Board prior to the meeting. Between that, Emily and Ron, and whoever else can attend the meeting in Carthage, we can serve as a reminder that the City of Carthage does have the power to do something about this...Tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "rwarn17588" <RWarn17588@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] We'll be in Carthage to discuss Boots Motel > Emily and I are taking a trip to Carthage, Mo., to discuss the Boots > Motel in front of the city council at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. We're going > to request a spot on the agenda, but even if that doesn't happen, we'll > speak our piece during the regular public forum part of the meeting. > > There's going to be another city council meeting at 7:30 Tuesday, Nov. > 25, that we -- and hopefully some other prominent Route 66 folks we're > going to contact -- will attend. By then, we'll probably know who the > new owner of the Boots will be; the closing date on the sale is set for > Nov. 21. > > City Hall is at 326 Grant St., which is about two blocks south and four > blocks east of the Boots Motel. > > In summary, we're going to try to convey the historical and tourism > value of the Boots Motel and inform the city that it has the authority > within its own ordinances to preserve the motel and urge them to use > it. > > If you all want to come to the meeting Wednesday and Nov. 25 and give > speak out that you want the Boots Motel to be preserved, by all means > do so. We'll give out more details of the Wednesday meeting and the > Nov. 25 meeting as they become available. > > Here's a good link to the City of Carthage's Web site if you need more > info: http://www.carthage-mo.gov > > Ron Warnick > www.friendsofthemotherroad.org > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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