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July 1, 2003

Pat,

I haven't looked at a map, but doesn't US 136 intersect US 66 in

Springfield, IL.?

I'm going to let Marian and Laurel know about your bridge there in Indy.

They are both on the planning committee for the 2004 event in Tulsa.

Jim R.

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> From: "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@earthlink.net>

> Subject: National Road

>

> Pat,

>

> Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never mind the

car race! That is great what the city has done with the bridge. There is a

group of 66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our cookbook pal Marian Clark,

working with the city of Tulsa to embrace the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the

same way. The good news is that with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to

Tulsa in 2004, there is now active discussion taking place about getting the

bridge ready for that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy

people in touch with the Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was

done there. If so, I can put you in touch with Marian.

>

> Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a regular

in American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the premier issue is fast

taking shape. Stay tuned . . .

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> Jim R.

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> Message: 2

> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 04:04:55 -0000

> From: "roadmaven <>" <roadmaven@aol.com>

> Subject: Re: National Road

>

> Jim,

> That's good to hear Tulsa is finally taking care of that treasure.

> Every time I've gone through Tulsa and passed the 11th St. bridge, I

> feared it would meet a dubious end.

> For a mid-size city, Indianapolis does have a lot of good road

> heritage, with six US highways. Unfortunately, not one of them go

> through the heart of the city anymore...they're all looped around the

> beltway interstate. But thanks to an old Standard Oil map predating

> the evil I's, I've been able to get a handle on the pathes all six

> took through the city. One was just down the street from our house,

> but I'm afraid US 136 doesn't light a fire under too many folks when

> it comes to highway lore. :-) Give our regards to the Ma Road!

>

> Pat

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@e...>

> wrote:

> > Pat,

> >

> > Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never

> mind the car race! That is great what the city has done with the

> bridge. There is a group of 66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our

> cookbook pal Marian Clark, working with the city of Tulsa to embrace

> the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the same way. The good news is that

> with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to Tulsa in 2004, there is

> now active discussion taking place about getting the bridge ready for

> that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy people in

> touch with the Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was done

> there. If so, I can put you in touch with Marian.

> >

> > Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a

> regular in American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the

> premier issue is fast taking shape. Stay tuned . . .

> >

> > Jim R.

> >

>

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July 1, 2003

Jim,

Actually US 136 intersects 66 right in front of the Dixie Trucker's Home in

McLean. US 36 intersects 66 on the south side of Springfield. Two other US

highways out of Indy intersect 66 as well: 40 somewhere around Collinsville, IL,

and 52 in Joliet.

Regards,

Pat

In a message dated 1/7/2003 8:38:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pathfinder66@earthlink.net writes:

> Pat,

>

> I haven't looked at a map, but doesn't US 136 intersect US 66 in

> Springfield, IL.?

>

> I'm going to let Marian and Laurel know about your bridge there in Indy.

> They are both on the planning committee for the 2004 event in Tulsa.

>

> Jim R.

July 2, 2003

Hello,

I now reside in Hollywood, California but am an Indiana native. In recent

years, I have been very pleased to see the work done to the downtown Canal of

which they have incorporated the bridge you described below. I highly

recommend setting aside at least an hour or two to wander along the canal

when any of you are in Indianapolis.

Also, I have always loved US-40 for the wonderful variety of antique shops as

well as the terrific resource of roadside motels still standing (though

primarily converted to residences or abandoned altogether these days).

Trevor Chowning

In a message dated 1/6/03 3:12:07 AM, AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< Subject: National Road Pics

Evening folks! We spent a nice day photographing some of the various

architecture in downtown Indianapolis Saturday. Among those were of US 40/The

National Road. Of interest to me was the old US 40 bridge that once carried

traffic across the White River on the near westside of downtown Indy. Built

in 1916, it was in service for nearly 70 years before being closed in the

early 1980's. At that time, US 40 was re-routed south to make way for the new

Indianapolis Zoo. Nearly half a mile of original National Road was wiped out

in favor of homes for monkeys and elephants. However, the bridge was kept

intact, but sat dormant for nearly 10 years before it was converted to an

immaculate pedestrian bridge complete with a grassy median and various pieces

of artwork. It is also part of a network of biking/jogging trails throughout

Indianapolis. There is an interpretive display on the west entrance of the

bridge detailing some of the various river crossings at this location

throughout history.

One thing that I'm going to look into is why there aren't any of the new

"Historic National Road" signs on the bridge that are now dotting the

landscape in Indiana from Richmond to Terre Haute. I'll try to get in touch

with the Indiana National Road Association to see what their stance is on

this. Seems only fitting they should have one at each end of the bridge,

instead of at the bridge south of the historic one. If you want to be

techinical about it, that new bridge and the re-routed alignment of

Washtington St. were never the National Road at all!

I've posted a few of the pics to our Photo Section at our website. Click on

the link here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/lst

I have them posted in the "National Road-Indianapolis" folder. Enjoy!

Pat Bremer

Speedway, IN

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July 3, 2003

Yesterday I invited you all to visit my website if you were interested

in getting a copy of the book - U. S. Forty Today. Well my domain

host, Catalog.com, lost three T-3 lines so my site has been down most

of the day. If you are still interested or curious please go to:

LincolnHighway.info

Secondly, Yahoo cut my access to all my groups because my e-mail

address was bouncing - what next??!! If you sent me an e-mail and

didn't get a reply by midnight tonight - please resend. Sorry for all

these problems.

yer pal,

ypsi-slim

July 3, 2003

July 5, 2003

Greetings,

I just returned from a driving trip to New Orleans from my home in Denver

(for the annual Jazz & Heritage Festival). I thought the group might be

interested in some of my thoughts on the trip. As always when on road

trips, my goal was to make the entire round trip using only U.S. highways

and, where possible, the earliest main alignment of each route (I generally

exclude the original section-line style alignments that were essentially

place-holders for the first alignments constructed as U.S. highways from the

late 20s to late 30s).

There is no single route that connects Denver and New Orleans -- the closest

is U.S. 287 which passes through Denver and Beaumont, TX. I chose to take a

longer route going to Louisiana and a more direct route on the return. I

left Denver on U.S. 87 and followed it to San Antonio, where I turned east

on U.S. 90 to New Orleans. On the return trip, I took U.S. 61 from New

Orleans to Baton Rouge, U.S. 190 west from Baton Rouge to the southern

terminus of U.S. 71, U.S. 71 from that point north to Shreveport, U.S. 80

from Shreveport to Fort Worth, and U.S. 287 from Fort Worth to Limon, CO.

Why Limon and not Denver? Well, I met my original goal for the trip with

the exception of the final 85 miles. It was late at night and a massive

thunderstorm was moving across the Colorado plains (an amazing sight to

witness). Much of U.S. 287 north of Limon is now dirt -- the pavement was

removed after the completion of I-70 nearby. The amount of water on the

road was such that getting stuck in the mud was a real possibility; thus

better judgment prevailed.

I thoroughly enjoyed the trip and the highlights were many, but I would say

that U.S. 90 between San Antonio and New Orleans is a wonderful route to

take. I followed the historic alignment and avoided all 4-lane sections

(except where the historic alignment has been incorporated as part of the

current 4-lane). The route through Houston was fascinating and can be

driven in its entirety except for a missing bridge over Buffalo Bayou (but

you can drive to each end of the former bridge). The sections in rural east

Texas and west Louisiana are largely still as they were when I-10 was first

completed -- still 2-lane and full of "old highway" feel, down to the

abandoned gas stations, motels, and cafes. Driving this route on a muggy

night under a Louisiana moon was a great experience. The original U.S. 90

bridge over the Sabine River (the LA/TX border) east of Orange, TX was

removed in the 50s; the replacement bridge is to the north and is now part

of I-10. The segment of old alignment on the Louisiana side of the river

that led to the old bridge is still intact and is a 4-5 mile route through

the bayou. It was amazing to be out in the middle of the bayous at night --

lots of swamp fog swirling about. Let's just say the bayous are NOT quiet

at night. The section of historic U.S. 90 from Lafayette into New Orleans

is one of America's great drives -- thru the historic Acadian homeland of

southern Louisiana, winding along bayous, bridging rivers, and threading

through the small towns and cities of Cajun country. If you ever go this

way, stay off of the current U.S. 90 four-lane (eventually to become part of

I-49) and take the historic alignment. There's no comparison.

Lots more to discuss but I'd be happy to describe my impressions of some of

the other routes on this trip for those with interest.

Cheers,

Rob Carnachan

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July 6, 2003

In this vein, I would highly recommend the book by William McKeen on U.S.

61--only read half of it but enjoyed the heck out of it so far....and if you

want to talk about a road that will take you across a cross section of

america...from smelt fries on lake superior to catfish in the delta, from

Bob Dylan to Muddy Waters, that road is Highway 61..."...the closest (road)

to the American soul is Robert Johnson and Elmore James' Highway 61, the

mroad of escape, the road from agriculture to industry, from the South to

the North, from the primitive to the civilized."...from Highway, Americas

Endless Dream...Tsingtao, Kip

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> You be right - in fact in many places the old roads,

> while a tad slower than the mindless travel on the

> interstates, are more comfortable and relaxing.

>

> I have friends in Decatur, IL, and on my trips to

> see my daughter in Memphis I often stop in there for a

> day or two visit. I've found either U S 40 or U S 36

> across Ohio into Indiana to Indianapolis, then 36 on

> to Decatur, to be a lot more relaxing. And what you

> sometimes trip over on the old roads - how many of you

> know about the Ernie Pyle (how many of you even know

> who he was??) museum about 1 mile or so north of 36 in

> Dana, IN - right on the IN/IL line?? Neat place to

> stop and visit and stretch the legs.

>

> Another good east/west road I've taken on my jaunts

> from Maine to Tennessee, after visiting my friends in

> Decatur, heading for New England is U S 24 across

> northern Indiana to Huntington - watch where you're

> going here, lots of one way in the wrong direction

> streets - then pick up 224 to U S 30 just to the west

> of Van Wert. If you are headed east about the only

> good way across Pennsy, is I-80, tho the old

> Pennsylvania Turnpike is not to bad once you get east

> of the I-76/I-70 mess. So word of caution here -

> don't follow 30 all the way to Mansfield - that last

> few miles is/was - they're working on it - heavily

> congested. One way around it is to go NE on OH 98 off

> 30 on the NE side of Bucyrus to 598 north to 224, then

> go east into Wadsworth and Akron on the interstate.

>

> I've also taken U S 79 out of/and into Memphis (real

> pretty drive up around Kentucky Lake) then 68 thru

> Bowling Green and Lexington to Maysville, KY, on the

> Ohio River. By the way, for those of you who have

> tried to get thru, around or even over, Lexington, KY,

> when I went thru there last Sept they have finally

> gotten their act together and bypassed the city with a

> major 4 lane interstate type bypass. You have to

> watch the signs, and the traffic is horrendous - read

> terrrible - esepcially the big rigs.

>

> And of course I've taken U S 51 many times between

> Decatur and Memphis - once you get into Tennessee it's

> 4 lane limited access from north of Dyersburg all the

> way into Memphis. Traffic doesn't start getting heavy

> until you get to Dyersburg, then mostly going thru the

> big towns of Dyersburg, Covington and pretty heavy

> going between Millington and Memphis.

>

> So happy cruising, wherever y'all go - THINK 2 LANE,

> and some of the old 2 lanes are now 4 lane. But still

> better than the interstate - not much traffic out

> there.

>

> Hudsonly,

> Alex B

>

> --- brownwho63 <wefly66@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven"

> > <roadmaven@a...>

> > wrote:

> > > Ahhhh...it's giving me the urge to make another

> > trip to 66 today

> > like

> > > we did last Saturday....a 3 1/2 hour drive just to

> > have a couple of

> > > Cozy Dogs (corndogs) in Springfield, IL. Can you

> > say Road Psycho???

> > >

> > Nothin' weird about cruisin' Route 66 or any other

> > U.S. two laner,

> > Pat. Our friends from the Chi area, John and Kathy,

> > once cruised '66

> > to Ted Drewes and back home again the same day just

> > to get a frozen

> > custard! (or "How a Sunday drive turned into a 12

> > hour trip on Route

> > 66" as Kathy is fond of saying.)

> >

> > Still Cruisin' Route 66,

> > Bliss

> >

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July 6, 2003

A bit of info on trekkin the blue highways into Edgar Lee Masters

world...Tsingtao, Kip

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To: Kip

Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:07 PM

Subject: SPOON RIVER DRIVE

Great Granddaddy Briney moved to Bloomfield from Astoria. Might be interesting

this fall

http://www.spoonriverdrive.org/

July 7, 2003

Yeah - our stay at the Wigwam Village was great. And saying the owner Ivan

John "gets it" somes it up very very well...!

Maybe some day soon I'll get my photos posted. I'm half-dead right now after

surviving the Catsup Bottle Summerfest yesterday. It was a blast! We actually

had all of the St. Louis TV stations here, a station from Cedar Rapids, and a

crew from Pittsburgh PBS shooting a documentary, and another one from

somewhere that I can't even remember... ugh... one of these times I may wise up

and

take a couple days off work AFTER the fest for some recovery time!!!

Thank you from the Catsup Bottle gang to "American Road" for mentioning us in

the premier issue!!

Okay... back to the grindstone...

-Mike

In a message dated 7/7/03 9:14:34 AM, adpoole@mchsi.com writes:

<< Pat-

My wife and I were down in the areas around Westphalia and Bedford

over the holiday-wonder how close we got to each other? LOL

I'm placing a couple of surprise photos in the album area-you'll

never guess what the photos are or where they were taken!! >>

July 7, 2003

Pat-

My wife and I were down in the areas around Westphalia and Bedford

over the holiday-wonder how close we got to each other? LOL

I'm placing a couple of surprise photos in the album area-you'll

never guess what the photos are or where they were taken!!

July 8, 2003

Pat,

Sounds like you had a great 4th. My wife and I spent some time with

an old friend and his wife in St Charles Missouri. We drove parts of

old 66. If I had more time I would have taken the pre 1932 route

through Carlinville. It was still a great trip. I took a few photos

and I'll try and post some by weeks end.

Allen

July 8, 2003

Anthony,

Any hints?

Allen

July 8, 2003

Tony,

Too bad we couldn't have hooked up while down there! We were

hanging around the Louisville area for the better part of Friday

afternoon.

OK, I'm with Allen...any hints on the pics?

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Poole" <adpoole@m...>

wrote:

> Pat-

>

> My wife and I were down in the areas around Westphalia and Bedford

> over the holiday-wonder how close we got to each other? LOL

>

> I'm placing a couple of surprise photos in the album area-you'll

> never guess what the photos are or where they were taken!!

July 8, 2003

Just herd on the radio that the Shoe House on the Lincoln highway

(us30)east of York Pa is for sale.The owner Ruth Miller 77 is to old

to take care of it.Jeff Meyer THE ORIGINAL ROADOLOGIST

July 8, 2003

Alert to all of you Chicago area roadies who are train buffs as well—

A historic piece of the elevated train system that crosses 66

(Jackson Blvd and Ogden Ave just west of Paulina Street), now known

as the Paulina Connector, is going to be replaced with a new

structure in preparation for the line to enter into service for the

first time since 1958. The thing was built in 1895 by the

Metropolitan West Side Elevated Railroad Company, and features

ornamental brackets at Jackson Boulevard (eastbound 66). Since 1958

it has only been used to transfer train cars from one passenger line

to another.

Here's a link to more info:

http://www.chicago-l.org/operations/lines/paulina.html

Make sure you scroll down to see the photo of the track where it

crosses 66 at Jackson and Ogden.

Dave Clark

Windy City Road Warrior

http://www.windycityroadwarrior.com

dave@windycityroadwarrior.com

312-432-1284

843 W. Adams Street #312

Chicago, IL 60607-3017

July 8, 2003

Hi A storie in todays Pantagraph about the Dixie.The Phoenix magement group

will keep the Hall fame and the name sotta thay will call it Dixie travel

plaza.Thanks Jeff Meyer

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From: rt66roadologist@comcast.net

To: rt66roadologist@comcast.net

Subject: Suggestion from jeff meyer

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:13:46 GMT

Hi jeff meyer,

jeff meyer stopped by Pantagraph.com

and suggested that you visit the following URL:

http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/080703/b...030807006.shtml

Pantagraph.com

http://www.pantagraph.com

July 8, 2003

I've been reading about some of the good places and not so good

places to stay that have been posted recently and decided to toss in

my 2 cents worth. Bear with me.

Tho most of my experiences have been interstate related, I can say

without much qualification that most of the motels/hotels I've stayed

at were pretty good.

Off I-84 on the Pennsy side of the NY/PA state line is the Best

Wester Inn at Hunts Landing. I've stayed there many times over the

past 15 years or so, and while the old girl is getting a little worn

around the edges I've always found the rooms clean and the beds

comfortable. And if you don't want to have dinner at the in house

resturant you can go just down the road to the Perkins Resturant.

I've stopped at several of these over the years and always had a good

meal.

My next stop is in Bloomsburg - there's an EconoLodge just off I-80

in back of the Columbia Mall (U S 11 runs thru Bloomsburg, so we'll

stay on the old road routes here). Other that an increase in room

rates this is another that looks nice on the outside, and is equally

nice inside - and right next door is another Perkins Resturant. From

the early 90's, when my wife and I stayed at the EconoLodge and at

Perkins, the food was always good and the prices resonable.

Still in PA, off I-76 in Bedford is another Best Western - if you

get a road front room, you'll literally step out of your room onto U S

30, and right around the corner is U S 220, which is rapidly turning

into I-90. I think I'll agree with this change. Tons of heavy trucks

use 220 as a cross-over between I-80 and I-76 - being a narrow 2 lane

road it could get hairy in there. The in-house resturant serves a

good meal and if you get the right table you can enjoy your meal while

watching the water fun in the swimming pool.

Just a note here - a little distance away, in Somerset, I stopped at

a Days Inn one time. Looked ok, but wasn't. First the clerk sent me

to a room that wasn't made up, then they didn't have a non-smoking

room, etc, etc. Things happen tho.

Sioux City, SD - north of U S 18 and east of U S 81. There's a

Motel 6 here, that from the outside doesn't look all that great, but

the rooms were clean and comfortable - so looks don't count here. And

right next door was a great resturant with reasonable prices and a

relaxing atmosphere. I stayed there on my way to Seattle in 2002 -

and on my way back. It's off I-29 and I-90.

Aberdeen, SD - Stopped on my way west, in 2002, on U S 12 at a

Ramada Inn - place is hugh. Nice looking on the outside and the lobby

was also very nice looking. Come to find out this is one of the

places you literally get a road map to your room (a guide would help)

and there are several business, including a bar and resturant in the

same building. Also included is a large swimming pool - indoor.

Which jacked the humidty index to around 95% in most of the building -

and my room was on the side away from the pool!!! Now, if you have

ever noticed, most motels have access to rooms from outside, along

balconies. Here, the balconies are enclosed - guess they're afraid

Dad is going to toss Mom over the 2nd story railing or something.

Well, enclosed isn't all that bad, really. However, every room along

that corridor has AC - there are corridors at each end leading around

to the swimming pool. Remember that 95% humidity I mentioned? The

AC units in all the rooms, and along my corridor there were about 30

rooms, all vent to the corridor, not the outside. Raised the temp to

about 125 and the humidity to around 175%. Even the rain forests in

the Amazon aren't that bad.

I didn't think much of Aberdeen either!!!

Now I've bent your ears long enough, but I have one more to mention.

Back in 1990 my son and I were headed to Memphis - he to visit his

half-sister while I went on to our Hudson club national meet in

Wichita. Somewhere in Vermont I lost a spring retainer in the right

front brake on the 1969 Rambler I was driving. A cotter key fixed

that. We took U S 20 west from Albany - stopping at a neat little

museum in an old house in Cherry Valley. We arrived in Syracuse

around 4 in the afternoon, early to stop, but we're tired, hot and a

little dirty from the car repairs. We stopped at this nice looking

multi-storied motel/hotel, and were quickly informed by a rather

snotty female clerk (yeah, Harry, I know there are also snotty male

clerks) that there was no room at the inn. First, and only time I've

stopped at 4pm, which I usually do, and there were no rooms left.

Hmmmmmm. Ok. Let's head west. We found a very nice little mom and

pop motel run by a couple either from Pakistan or India, courteous,

helpful and had very nice accomodations. I can't remember the name of

the town, but they had a great Italian resturant there, or the name of

the motel now - but I'd be sure to look for it next time I went thru

that area. Might remember it if I saw it.

So there you go - my little travelog. Happy traveling.

Hudsonly,

Alex B

July 8, 2003

Does anyone know where this diner was or is? Theres a photo in the

photo section under Anybody Know? This is a well traveled bunch. I

figured if anyone should know someone here should.

Thanks,

Allen

July 9, 2003

I had a little touch of 66 yesterday but most of it was spent 0n 89A from

Flagstaff to Wickenburg. More great road and scenery. Some pictures at

http:/www.dennygibson.com/ariz092003

July 10, 2003

Say what? West of Phoenix it looks like the only part of US 60 I didn't hit

last time is the 80 mile stretch between Wickenburg & I-10. The August loop

headed east on 60 to Eagar then finished up on 60 from Wickenburg. As it

turned out, even though I discussed various shortcuts, I did the loop pretty

much as described in message 724. I did skip stopping in Sedona (mostly

because it looked to me like a high class Gatlinburg with bigger mountains)

but kinda made up for it in Jerome. I guess there and Wickenburg were the

only towns where I spent much time on that leg and on the east side of

Phoenix Globe, Show Low, & Holbrook were the only places where I got in much

visiting. There are definitely some towns I wouldn't mind getting back to

but maybe some new ones first.

US 80 looks and sounds interesting. I'm assuming that you're thinking of

west bound - San Diego way. From the map (Delorme) it looks as if there

might be quite a bit of the old road still around. One approach to that

would be to wander west until I had just enough time left to catch the plane

then grab I-8 and scurry back.

Just from the map, I've picked out a loop through Tucson, Nogales, &

Tombstone with a swing that would bring me back through Globe. I think I

like your idea of US-80 better.

--Denny

P.S., Got the note on the reciprocal link and it looks good. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----

From: Ken [mailto:thelandrunner@yahoo.com]

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:41 AM

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Return to Phoenix

Greetings Denny,

No high clearance on vehicle, no blue road to Blue. There are no

bridges, which will require stream/river crossings.

Only 2-3 days Tri-Loop? Hmmmm. From Phoenix? Hmmmm.... Q:)

Done US 80 at all? How about the US60 loop west of Phoenix like I

suggested the first time. This time, stop in those towns, meet folks,

hear a story, get a postmark, take some pics, head back east to

Phoenix before the sun goes down.

Ken

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <mail@d...>

wrote:

> That "maybe" trip to Phoenix is now on so I'll probably have

another

> 2 or 3 days to roam and am looking for suggestions or comments.

>

> Ken, at the end of the Triangle Fish run, you hinted at "Blue" but

it

> had an if about an SUV in it. No SUV - just a rental car - so maybe

> that's not a choice. Curious to know what it is, though. Plus, I'm

> guessing you've got a couple of other Arizona routes up your sleeve.

>

> I've never been south of Phoenix so have thought of Tucson +

> Tombstone. Another thought of mine is Route 66 through Oatman with

a

> time dependent option of getting to Goffs. The amount of time

> available depends on how quickly success (or stonewall failure:-)

> comes on the job so a real plan will only appear at the last minute.

>

> Thoughts appreciated,

> Denny Gibson

> http://www.dennygibson.com

July 10, 2003

Last night I went to a screening of the new OmniMax film on the Lewis

& Clark expedition. Then I got home in time to watch all but the

first few minutes of Horatio's Drive. Am I antsy? You bet.

--Denny

July 10, 2003

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole <arizona66nms@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Jim-

>

> Yes, we did take some pics.....my mom will be sending the

duplicates out to me as soon as she gets them. I'll be sure to post

some of them. The pictures will be awesome....but still won't do

justice as to how beautiful it really is there. She took a picture

of my feet after we got back too....geez, wonder if I should post

that one? That picture could be a good warning of "things to not do"

while hiking....."Do not wear shoes that are too small or not broken

in." Geez, I can't stress enough how important that is. Although

don't worry.....I'll spare you having to view the sights of that

picture!

>

That was a hell of a story. Let Emily and I buy a beer or two

whenever we hook up. You've earned it.

Ron Warnick

Belleville, IL

July 10, 2003

Hey Ron!

Yeah.....one of these days we WILL meet up. Since I know I owe you guys a few

beers, and you're gonna buy me a few.....looks like whenever it is we do meet

up, we're gonna have a great night! ha ha!

Nicole

rwarn17588 <RWarn17588@aol.com> wrote: