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  1. Denny - Maybe we'll even need another Vespa! (or at least a side car) Dave - Thanks so much! Every time we're out by Spencer (which is quite a bit), we talk about how much fun that day was with you. And I agree with Jim, great shot with the roll film! It really did seem to retain the color. I hope the stuff Fuji makes now will hold up as well. Looking at GoogleMaps, the schoolhouse seems to still be standing in Richmond. There's a good chance that we'll be headed that way prior to the 66 trip. If so, I'll try to grab a shot from the same angle (using a Polaroid, of course).
  2. Hi folks! I usually post in the Yellowstone Trail forum, but my original old road love is, of course, Route 66. I wanted to tell you a bit about a project that my gal Sarah and I are doing this summer and how you can get involved. In June we'll be traveling from Seattle to Central Pennsylvania (mostly along US 2 and 6) to get married where we grew up. For our honeymoon, we'll be leaving almost immediately for Route 66. We'll be start from Chicago around June 25. Over the next two-three weeks, we'll be documenting the Mother Road using vintage Polaroid cameras. These relics are 30 to 50 years old, and yet, Fuji still makes film for them! But this isn't really the fun part. We don't plan on keeping these photos. Instead, as part of our project funded via Kickstarter.com, we're mailing them to people who support us. You can read all about the project here. Basically, we want to show people how amazing Route 66 actually is through the use of vintage Polaroid cameras. In the days of digital photography, sharing pictures means emailing or posting computer images. Actual film-made photographs exposed onto paper are all but gone. Maybe this will serve as a bit of a reminder that, like the Mother Road, film photography is still alive, though perhaps a bit rare. This will be my fifth time across Route 66, though the last time I did it was in 2008 and I was on a Vespa. Sarah has done bits of it before, but this will be her first full adventure. Oddly enough, the idea of Route 66 as a honeymoon was her idea! For those who support us, we'll be sending the photos in screen printed, hand canceled envelopes from various small towns along the road. Also, we'll be blogging along the way and updating our Facebook page (both of which are usually about travels in the Pacific Northwest). So, if you care to give a bit of support, that's great! Thanks! Eric
  3. The turkey tracks are one of my favorite Route 66 stops. They've been there since the original concrete was poured. The reason they are pointed out, however, is because of one understandably proud (and lucky) fellow. http://route66news.com/2010/07/14/making-tracks/ It's a testiment to the cement, is it not?
  4. Thanks! We're ridiculously excited about this. Honestly, we're more excited about this than the actually wedding. We're pretty awesome.
  5. I'll be taking a two-day quick trip across Washington traveling as much as possible upon the old Yellowstone Trail. Unlike other old roads that I've traveled (Route 66, etc), there's no guide book to tell me to "turn left at crappy dirt road and hope for the best." So I had to gather some common sense, maps, hearsay, luck and prayers and map it out myself. I think I done good. But certainly not perfect. Not by a long shot. Here are links to how I'll be driving it with a little explanation along the way. Again, much of this is speculation. I could be wrong on a good many things. If I am and you have another idea, please correct me. I'm not anything close to an expert on this, I'm just having fun. These are my *driving* directions. I'm trying to drive upon every available section of the YT. Obviously, with some sections that's not possible. Each link will go to a map on GoogleMaps. Seattle to Fall City (early more northerly alignment according to 1917 & 1924 Blue Books and others) *YT used 4th Ave, south to Jackson, but you can no longer go that way - used 2nd instead. *YT used 19th Ave north from Jackson, but it's now a park. Used 18th and Yessler to bypass back to 19th. *YT crossed Lake Washington via a Ferry from Madison Ave to Kirkwood Way (at Marina Park, Kirkwood). You can see how I detoured. *I'm pretty sure I'm wrong from Kirkland to Redmond. Help! *The use of the famous "brick road" is a bit of a mystery. The 1924 alignment definitely used it, but the 1917 alignment, which is almost identical to the 1924 alignment, did not. Seattle to Fall City (later more southerly alignment - post 1925ish) *This is mostly based upon Hobb's 1926 map/guide. There's very little to go on, so much of this is speculation. The only road I know for sure is Rainier Ave. Any help would be helpful. There was an even earlier alignment through Seattle, but the routing from the 1916 Blue Book makes no sense when compared with modern Seattle. Fall City to east of Cle Elum (updated 04.30.09) *The routing around Snoqualmie is from the 1917 Blue Book. The 1924 alignment entered Snoqualmie via WA 202, took a left at River ST and a right on Park Street, meeting up with the 1917 YT. *Also, the routing around Snoqualmie Falls as shown on the map is from 1917. By 1924, the YT used modern 202. *Since much of the YT after Exit 34 of I90 is buried under the interstate, I've marked places where I believe there to be old sections of the road. Most of these are side-trips and not "through" roads. *From Exit 54 to 71 - Most of the old YT is still out there. It's marked on my maps (thanks John!) *Exit 70 is a bit confusing. You exit, cross I90, left on Sparks, left on NFD 4828 (crossing I90 again) and right on the frontage RD. There's an old bridge and I'm betting the frontage road was old something, but it now seems doubtful that it was YT. If you retrace your route, but instead of getting back on I90, you cross it and continue on Lake Easton RD to Easton, reentering I90 at exit 71 (though not before following Railroad Street till it dead ends), you are traveling on a continuation of whatever road that bridge was on. seems doubtful now that it was YT. *Exit 74 - Nelson Siding Road was not YT. *The routing through and around Cle Elum matches up with Hobbs Guide and matches the mileage of the 1924 Blue Book exactly (yay!!) *YT never used WA 10. And if you want to get REALLY technical, it never used WA 970. Though you have to do a little driving on 970, it's only because the original road no longer exists. You can see what I mean at the eastern terminus of this section of my mapping. From here, the YT divided. Taking modern US 97 South took you on the older alignment. Taking US 97 North took you on the newer alignment. I'll be taking the older alignment east and the newer alignment west, on my return trip. East of Cle Elum to Zillah *In Ellensburg, it's very clear that YT came into town on Dry Creek RD/15th, which curved right to meet Main. That curve can't be done now, so a short detour of Water & 14th Street to Main is necessary. *The routing of everything after Ellensburg is 100% pure speculation. I really have no idea. I'm just guessing. If anyone has any details, help me out. *I've got a big hunch that US 12 through Sawyer and Flint wasn't the YT, but I'm not sure where it was. *Going into Zillah, I'm pretty sure YT did the right angle thing. I love that. Zillah to Walla Walla *After Granger, I'm not sure why I think YT was on Outlook RD and not Gap RD. Maybe it was both, maybe it was neither. Any ideas? *The Routing south of Sunnyside is a totally mystery to me. I "know" that YT used the Grandview Pavement RD, but not sure how it got there. Thankfully after Grandview, there's a road called Old Inland Empire Hwy. I'm hoping that's YT as well. *The routing through West Richland and Richland feels a bit wrong. But I don't know what else it could be. *Though unmarked on my map (Google wouldn't let me add another destination), opposite Dodd RD after Burbank seems to be an old section of road. It's just a small stretch and was probably either where the bridge crossed or where the water rose after being dammed somewhere. *I've also got some confusion about the roads west of Reese. Which was YT? *The routing through Walla Walla is pure speculation. Walla Walla to Colfax *Between Delaney and Dodge, I think YT was just north of US 12. I doubt most of it is drivable. *Before Central Ferry, the YT used to cross at a ferry just upstream (north). I think it should be accessible via Hastings Hill RD. I'm sort of confused about this and I'm doubting I'll figure it out anytime soon. *In Wilcox, I'll turn south onto Wilcox RD and follow it and Penawawa RD as far as I can, hopefully to the river where the ferry crossed to Hastings Hill RD. I'll then return the way I came. I'll take a right on Musgrave RD, which I (for some reason) believe to be YT after they cut off the Penawawa ferry. *There is some speculation (by me) that Wilcox was cut off at some point. If that's so, then I bet they used Colfax Airport RD to go into Colfax. Dave has mentioned that there are old road graters along this road. I'm not really convinced that the airport road was ever YT, but I'll check out the graters anyway! Colfax to State Line, ID *Into the Cashup (which is a really fun town name), YT when into it from the south on Cashup Flat RD. For some reason, Googlemaps won't let me do that. *Around Rosalia, there's the original YT arrow on a RR overpass. I don't know if it's on 195 or old 195 (assuming "old"). That would determine where the YT was. *Going into Spokane from the south, I'm a bit confused. My best guess is what I have. My second best guess (and the one I wish it were) is, starting just west of Hangman Valley Golf Course and just west of 195 at Hatch RD. It would loop back to 195 and then turn off right again just south of Campion Park. From there, Hatch RD to High Drive to Cedar ST to Walnut or Maple and then to Sprague (which you can't take east anymore). *The Hobb's Guide is for the later, northern alignment, so it's no help here at all (till later, of course, where it helps quite a bit). *On my map, I use 3rd Ave because Sprague is a one way street. I move to it when it becomes both ways. *I'm fairly certain of the Appleway alignment just east of Spokane. I do believe that it wasn't always this - there was a slightly more northern alignment, but I don't know which came first (or if I'm even correct). The Way Back! (The later, northern alignment) State Line, ID to Creston *First, I have pretty much zero idea about this routing into Spokane. It would be nifty, but I don't believe I have any real proof of this. Or maybe I did and now I forget. I do know that it *was* as good road at the time. *Ignore the weird little loop thing when Wellesely Ave meets Trent RD/290. GoogleMaps insists that I can't enter 290 without making a weird little loop. I assume they're wrong and so should you. *I don't know how the YT got to Sprague Ave. But according to Hobb's Guide (1926), it did. The Routing through Spokane (from Sprague > west) is almost like Hobb's. You can't do it anymore due to the interstate. Hobb's has it: Sprague > Riverside > 1st > Cannon > 6th > Lindeke. Today, you have to travel: Sprague > Riverside > 1st > Cannon > W Sunset Blvd. Here, 6th Ave is covered by I90's exits 279 and 280. Lindeke is partially covered/moved, etc. The routing on my map is as close as you can get (though it wouldn't surprise me if modern day Rosamond Ave was used). *At Deep Creek, there's an old section called Old Sunset Highway. I wanted to put this on the routing too, but Google wouldn't let me use another destination point. *Alexander Road comes up quite a lot in this part of Washington. Anyone know what it was? *Mapping the north is easy because "Old Sunset Hwy," etc still exist. I just assume that this was also YT. Creston to Monitor (Updated 05.12.09) *There are TONS of zig-zaggy wild speculations here! I have reasons for all of them, but pretty well zero proof. *Just after Coulee City and right after crossing the dam, to the left, right before WA 17, there's an "unknown road" that I believe is how the original YT meets US 2. *The old section between G RD SE (yes, that's a road name) and F RD SE is probably *not* drivable. I saw it and was tempted to take the sedan over it, but ehh. I could do it in a scooter though. And will. You can see the old road pretty well from US 2 though. *The Sulpher Springs loop might very well be not accessible. I couldn't find it when I drove it before. *The road up over Moses Coulee (just after Sulpher Spring loop) may or may not be private property. The ground on either side of the road is owned by some hunting group. It's not very well marked and if they really wanted to keep people out, they'd gate it. I don't know how much land they own or if any of the road is private property. As always, tread very lightly and use your head. *Just west of Waterville, the old road used a different alignment to make the climb. Google says that there's still a road there, but I'm doubting that it will head all the way back to US 2. I'll find out. *The original bridge from East Wenatchee to Wenatchee went from 9th Ave (in East Wenatchee) to Bridge ST (in Wenatchee). *I'd love to know why Badger Mountain RD wasn't used. *East of Monitor, I really have no idea. Maybe it was Lower Monitor RD, maybe it was Easy Street the whole way. Who knows? Monitor to Cle Elum *The weird loop thing just after Monitor is intentional. I'm not sure where the YT was here. Wherever it was, US 2 cuts it apart. I'm pretty sure you can't drive it like it was. I do the loop thing to drive as much as possible. *According to Hobbs, the YT was on the south side of the Wenatchee River. US 2 is on the north. *Dryden was on YT, but you have to loop around it to drive it. It probably crossed the river to Motel Street and connected back to US 2. While there, please visit Dead Man's Hill RD. It overlooks Dryden and is really beautiful. *You can see on my map, that I pretty well follow US 97 over Blewett Pass. There's a big bulge sticking out to the east. I have a hard time believing this is the original road. NDF 7320 to 9715 is a good assumption for the original road. Also, 7320 > 200 > 113 > 9714 (or some combination thereof) might be correct also. *Some sources claim that Liberty was on the YT. But I'm not sure how it all fits in here. I'm betting Dave knows. And that's it! Everything else has been covered. Again, these are my speculations. If you have other ideas, let me know. I'll change the maps and mark when they were updated. I'd like to keep this as a work-in-progress. At least until there is some official book/site, etc about it. -Eric
  6. I agree with Denny - definitely start in Joliet. It's a great town. 300 miles a day on average is pretty good and it will allow you to hit the small towns through Illinois and Missouri. If it were just me, I'd skip the larger cities (St. Louis, both Springfields, Tulsa, OKC, etc). They're nice to explore, but are HUGE time eaters. Seek out the old, rural alignments and just enjoy yourself. -Eric
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    A Rare Section Of Original Pavement On Us99/ Pacific Highway

    Thanks Mike and Dave! The Old 99 in Washington site is amazing and helpful and basically a labyrinth that could wrap me up for days upon days. I agree with Dave, please share the other sections. I live in Everett, and so getting to the ones near Burlington is actually pretty easy. I've driven most of the old alignments between here and Bellingham, so there's a chance I know the roads and have just missed it - the cement here is darker than back east. Why is that? -Eric
  8. Hi folks, it's been awhile since I've been here - a lot going on in life. However, I was recently watching the HBO series Boardwalk Empire, which is set in the 1920s. In it, a few mobsters meet on a concrete highway near a beach. Now, the series is set in Atlantic City and the special effects folks did an amazing job at recreating the look of the town. There is, however, one scene in the final episode of season one that has me hopeful of its reality. Here are a couple of pics. Like I said, I have no idea if the road is real. It somewhat reminds me of the Old Pacific Highway near Wedderburn in Oregon, though the screenshots are clearly east coast. More than likely, it's CGI, but if an old stretch of original concrete exists next to a beach, I'd sure love to see it. Thanks, Eric
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    I saw that too! I wasn't 100% sure it was the same exact road, but if it was, that kind of breaks my heart. But it says quite a bit about their special effects team. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    The range finders are so much fun. The 250 (or 100) are both great. Keep the rollers clean and your shots will turn out even better than you'd expect. Sometimes they turn out almost too good. Most of what we'll shoot on our 66 trip will be with 250s and 100s.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Hi Jim! The Big Swinger 3000 is, I think, my favorite of the pack film cameras (maybe after the 250). The single element lens pulls off some wonderful shots. I absolutely love it. I just wish they would have made a single element camera that could take color film. I don't usually shoot B&W. I've got six or seven pack film cameras. I can't believe I somehow missed out on this. Some of my shots from the BS3k are here. I checked out your blog and I'll start following. Your collection is fairly amazing. Mine, here, is smaller (and missing all of the Polaroids that I now have). I think I've gotten a few others since then. They're all 120. I like big negatives, I guess. -Eric
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    There's something to be said about straying way off topic. Thanks!
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Dave - Thanks! These are "as shot" sort of. It's sort of long to explain, but they're "reclaimed negatives." Basically, when you take a picture with Polaroid packfilm, you peel off the photo and throw away the back. But the back is actually the negative. If you clean it off (which includes bleach), you've got yourself a rather large negative. The weirdness of it is in the color shifts. I love it. I've been taking a LOT of film shots lately (everything on my flickr page is shot from film - mostly 120). I've even started processing my own - it's a lot cheaper. I've done 25 or so rolls thus far. I don't have a dark room, but I don't need one, since I'm only processing the film, I'm not making prints. The jist of the Route 66 project is taking Polaroids and mailing them to people who want us to mail them Polaroids. We keep the backs (the negatives) and they get the originals. We'll have different themes and packages for people to choose from and will even do custom shots. But all that's in the future. Mike - And thank you! What I love about shooting film (Polaroids included) is how the other-worldly aspect somehow perfectly captures the moment in a way that digital (or "normal" film photography) simply doesn't. This is especially true in the desert or in really small towns. The places that already feel surreal can be perfectly captured using certain kinds of film that portray that surreality. The colors may be off, the contrast is wacky and maybe some stuff is blurred, but, while that's obviously not how it looked, it's precisely how it felt. And that is wonderful. I can't wait to get out there again.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Hi Mike! We've played around with Impossible Project's stuff and were just not impressed with the quality. It's great that they're trying to do it. It's exciting. But it might just be impossible to perfect it. We use colorpack Land cameras. They're the kind that you peel the photo off the negative. No powder or stuff to coat. Fuji still inexplicably makes the film and we can get it at our local camera store (Glazier's in Seattle). We're having tons of fun with it. You can see some of my work with it here. As for Route 66, there's no better way of seeing it than on two wheels. I did that (on a Vespa, no less) in 2008. Spent three months on the road and about a month on 66. I've done it three full times and still haven't seen everything. You're completely right, it would probably take a year. But then, things change so much, you'd have to start all over again. Before you know it, you'd be a hippie painting murals or something. Dave, thanks so much! We're really excited about the honeymoon. Since we're getting married in Pennsylvania, we're not nearly as excited about that. Planning a wedding from 3,000 miles away is a really bad idea, which we're going to do anyway. The pay off will be worth it.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    If the road is CGI, they more than likely just lifted it from a real concrete road (or at least used it as their source). Such a shame though. I really wanted this to be real. Ohh well. And absolutely we still have it! Wouldn't give that up. We could definitely get a good photo of it for you. Really weird that the map included Spencer, but I guess that was the only "town" between Coulee City and Waterville (or was there another just east of there?). Since we explored Spenser, we've been out to the coulees quite a lot. We'll always check out old alignments, etc., but I've become obsessed with the geological history out there. Sarah covered our last outing on her blog. Check it out if you like. There's a bit of old US 2 alignments, but mostly just horrible back roads and glacial erratics. I love it! And speaking of Sarah, we're getting married in June. Heading to Pennsylvania for the wedding and then doing a three (plus) week, cross country Route 66 honeymoon. We'll be capturing the whole thing on old Polaroid cameras. The Route 66 idea was hers - I swear! I'm kind of a lucky guy.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Oh I am! This is really interesting. Looking on Google Earth, I can't find where the road would be. It's really possible that they're two shots stitched together with CGI. But that road looks real. And beautiful. You know my love for old concrete!
  17. I first visited Promontory, the site of the Golden Spike Park commemorating the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad, in 2008. While there, I was told by a park ranger that the old Central Pacific grade could be followed for nearly 100 miles west of Promontory. Being a huge rail buff, I was excited, but figured that I'd never get to do it. Thankfully, I was wrong. My gal Sarah and I decided to visit a couple of friends in Salt Lake City. She, as usual, left the trip planning to me. Bless her heart. And her Toyota Yaris. Though I posted a bit about it in my blog, I'll recap here. We started from Seattle, hitting a few fun spots along the way. The most fun was Emigrant Hill near Route 30 in Oregon. I've not been able to find out if it was actually part of the Oregon Trail, but I believe it was originally US Route 30. Quite a bit of fun. You can see photos from that here. We made it to Twin Falls, ID the first day, visiting the canyon and the Evel Knievel jump site on the morning of the next. After accidentally blowing by an old alignment of Route 30, we dipped south, past City of Rocks on Lynn Road. This seemed to be some sort of emigrant trail called the California Trail, but it was kind of hard to tell. Anyway, we entered Utah on a dirt road, which is quite fitting. Every trip with me somehow involves trains, old highways, the civil war and dirt roads. I'm pretty good at hitting all four. We were in Sarah's new Yaris and the dirt was piling up. She was a little nervous. The road was rutted here and there, but otherwise fine. Finding where the Central Pacific RR trail starts was difficult. It's not well marked and I completely failed at doing my research. Turns out, it's five miles off Utah State Route 30 near Lucin, which is just a name, not a town. We arrived with about a quarter tank of gas. This was bad news. According to the GPS, the nearest gas station was 45 miles away on I-80 via dirt roads. Using my intuition, I decided two things. First, we needed gas and water. Second, gas was closer than 45 miles away. We hit State Route 30 again, headed south and into Nevada, which we had already been to in looking for the old rail bed. Twenty miles later, we found Montello, a town with an interesting history and thankfully a gas station. We filled up, got some water and headed back to the rail bed. From here, I could describe the next 90 or so miles, but wouldn't do it justice. The photos can't do it as much as it deserves, but they are much better than words. For that, I direct you here. We traveled the old railroad grade as much of the way as possible, even getting a bit lost during a detour. I was trying to get to the Golden Spike Park before it closed. I failed, but we had a bunch of fun. There's not much out there. Some old town sites with a LOT of debris, and just open land. It's beautiful and dangerous. If anything went wrong, you were stuck there for awhile. We saw no cars the entire five or six hours that it took us. Two ATVs zoomed past us, but that's it. We faced a decision concerning a very large mud puddle that engulfed the entire road. To go through it meant that we stood a good chance of getting stuck. Without cell reception, getting stuck meant walking 30 miles to get to a phone (at least). Turning around would mean driving 60 miles and then 150ish to get to Salt Lake City. Also, it would be a huge bummer. Since it was her car, I let Sarah decide what to do. She suggested we take the little thing off roading. We did and made it. There's a video of that with the photos. You'll see. That night, we made it to our friends' house and to some wonderful veg Chinese food. Salt Lake City! The next day, we went back to the Golden Spike Park, saw the reenactment of the ceremony (which was cheesy and quaint all at the same time - but hey, they have two working steam engines, so I let it slip). We also stopped at the Spiral Jetty, which needs to be seen to be believed. Also, more veg food in SLC. We also visited Temple Square. Pics of that are here. The following day was mostly US 50 through Nevada. I've done it before, but it's always wonderful. You can see such things here. The highlight for me was the stop in Ely to see a working steam railroad machine shop. I was in heaven. I might do a separate post about that in the LH forum. We shall see. -Eric
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    Old Central Pacific Rr Trail In Utah

    I'll admit, when I saw the Grand Canyon in 2006 (the only time), I just wasn't impressed. Seriously. The first time I saw it, sure, I was awestruck. But after about five minutes, it was just a big hole in the ground. I'm not sure what that says about me. In my defense, the trip was incredibly strange. It was a crosscountry, Route 66 trip that my girlfriend at the time and I had been planning for about a year. Two weeks before we left, she broke up with me, leaving for another guy. We decided that it would still be okay to make the 7000ish mile trip. We were wrong. Sort of. I mean, we did get a crosscountry trek out of it.
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    Old Central Pacific Rr Trail In Utah

    Not boring at all, I love this kind of stuff. And that area is simply beautiful.
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    Old Central Pacific Rr Trail In Utah

    I've actually been through Big Water, but missed the museum AND the polygamists! But since then, I've found that Big Water is sort of the "good" polygamists (as opposed to the ones making the headlines). They even seem to have the support of NOW (National Organization for Women). They seem to be working to decriminalize it and making the community healthy and not so culty, even allowing openly gay couples. When he died, their leader and town mayor listed his occupation as "pirate" on his death certificate. It's still not for me, but hey, good for them, at least they seem to be having fun with it. Big Water used to be called by another name and was featured in Edward Abbey's book Monkey Wrench Gang.
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    Ruts Of First Transcontinental Auto Trips

    Dave, Well, now you've got my attention. I've had a thing for Goodale's Cutoff of the Oregon Trail since riding through Craters of the Moon in 2008. I've got a feeling that the road you're talking about will include at least some of that old trail. Not sure if we'll be able to join you, but it will be on my to-do list, for sure. -Eric
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    Old Central Pacific Rr Trail In Utah

    Dave - Which road used to be part of the PPOO? Sarah and I (and just me, by myself) have taken a lot of chances that could have easily turned bad. We try to assess the risks before going down that road, but often it's a game of "don't think about it." So far, we have survived. For example, when we were on the old RR bed, I decided that it would be a bad place to take the Vespa. Now, I am itching to do it. Same goes for La Bajada near Santa Fe. I'll look for the Oregon maps that you posted, could be fun. I like to know exactly where things happened/existed. The "nearby this location" stuff that most historical markers provide is just frustrating. That said, the OT main branch through Idaho is very well marked. MGA- Studying the Civil War has led to an interest in the Pony Express trail, as well. I accidentally followed a bit of it in Nevada in 2008, past Fort Churchill. We passed a few markers in Utah this past trip, too. Thanks for the info on the Donner Party. Hastings Cutoff does jog the memory, but it's always hard to think of where things are when you're there in person. I've heard that the FLDS-filled Police force in Hilldale/Colorado City have been replaced by nonFLDS members now. Since the raid in Texas, things seem to have calmed down there a bit. Though with the Warren Jeffs trial coming up next month, who knows. There's another Utah community that caught my eye. I was planning on taking Old Route 6 & 50 through western Utah and came across the town of EskDale. Residents are followers of the Aaronic Order, which is kind of a spin off of LDS (though they don't practice plural marriage). I've always been interested in intentional communities (even lived on one for a bit). This one has a bunch of fun old photos. One caught my eye: In the older pics, they appear to be wearing the FLDS style dress, but in the more modern pics, they look like normal folks. I guess I digressed from talking about highways a bit.
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    Old Central Pacific Rr Trail In Utah

    Thanks! So the California Trail that we were on (or near) was the same one used by the Donners? Neat. I've been a huge Oregon Trail fan for years, but haven't had a lot of time to check out original alignments (aside from a few in Idaho and near Walla Walla). Most markers and signs just say that the Oregon Trail was "somewhere near here," which is pretty useless to an obsessive roadie. Oh, I definitely recommend doing the abandoned RR bed in a high clearance AWD. But when in a pinch, apparently a Toyota Yaris will do. Next time, it'll be on my Vespa (with a LOT of extra gas). The Grand Canyon trip sounds like something I will end up doing. And visiting Colorado City/Hilldale is actually on my list of things to do. I've become kind of obsessed with the FLDS lately (in a research sort of way, I mean - one gal is enough for me, thanks). I had a similar mud puddle (lake) experience on the Vespa in Texas on an old Route 66 alignment west of Amarillo. A storm was coming up, so I couldn't turn back, but going forward meant getting stuck in Texas mud, which mean that I would be a resident of Texas for an indefinite amount of time. Luckily, some pushing, pulling, cursing and praying got me out of it. I'd do it again though. Obviously.
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Dave, Oh we're still road tripping, hitting old alignments and dirt roads as much as possible. I'll do a little write about about the Utah trip, it was quite a bit of fun. Very interesting about the 7th Kansas Cav. I'm about four months ahead of the sesquicentennial, so Quantrill is just starting to get active, having just left Price after Lexington. In doing the CWDG, I'm finding that I can still talk about and research old roads. My favorite, by far, is the Wire Road through Missouri, which somehow connected to the Overland Stage route through New Mexico. I've been following Denny via Twitter and am mostly jealous. Would be great to meet up. Your discovery sound fairly delightful. Sarah and I were looking for some place to go. It's possible. -Eric
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    Is This Concrete Highway Real?

    Hi Dave! I've been crazily working on a Civil War project that takes up WAY more time than I thought it would. I spend about three hours a day writing and researching for the Civil War Daily Gazette, a blog that covers the CW one day at a time, 150 years later. Quite a bit of fun. But alas, I have no free time. For the next four years. That said, I *did* just return from a run to Utah/Nevada and hit some of the Lincoln Highway as well as the 100 mile stretch of the abandoned Central Pacific RR bed west of Promontory/Golden Spike. I should do a bit of a post about it, even though it's not really a highway in the traditional sense. As for the screencaps above, the shooting was mostly in and around New York. I've been up and down the Jersey shore, but have never seen anything like this. One possibility is that the road is real, but the ocean is fake/CGI'd in. Actually, that's quite probable. The grass on either side of the road isn't really specific to anywhere in particular. It could be a stretch of Route 66 concrete in Califoria for all I can tell. Sarah and I recently did the Cascade Loop, with a stop by Spencer. We also hit Washing State Route 11 (Old Pacific Highway) and have done a couple of alignments of the PH up to Bellingham. When will we hear about what you're researching? Odd bits of road still thrill me to no end. Can't wait! -Eric
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