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Dave and all, are you ready for a good laugh?

 

 

 

I, too, remember those days of having my sister as a back seat companion on

 

early cross-country roadtrips.

 

 

 

Do you think our parents could have used the "Portable Automobile Partition"

 

back then? This thing is too funny.

 

http://www.bpmlegal.com/w6260903.html

 

 

 

I love the dejected look of the probable "instigator" child (that would have

 

been me!) on the right, after having been supremely thwarted by the device.

 

There's also a weird truth to the attorney's comment at the end, "Now, can it

 

come in an opaque version, so he can't look at me?"

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, those were the days,

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

D Gardner <dgardner1@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Hi Jim and all...

 

 

 

When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me into the back of

 

their Ford Country-Squire station wagon...

 

 

 

 

 

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Raleigh, North Carolina, USA, Earth

 

 

 

"He rode the fast lane on the road to nowhere."

 

-- Tagline for the film, Five Easy Pieces

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And some people wonder why we love the old roads. That is where some of our

 

best memories come from. We had to use our imaginations and the old standard

 

form of play the 'make believe'. How many wars did we win, ladies in

 

distress we saved and places we visited in our minds. My grandchildren know

 

all about Disneyland and video games they never play 'kick the can', 'hide &

 

go seek' or 'steel the bacon' . Their minds might be faster but not their

 

bodies and they don't dream like we used to.

 

 

 

We used to think we were flying high if we got to first base with a girl.

 

Now days the kids want to hit a home run with every girl they meet.

 

 

 

Yes you can bring back the good old days anytime you want.

 

 

 

James M Conkle

 

CEO

 

Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760 617 3991

 

760 868 8614 fax

 

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www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Stumbled over this website... and it applies

 

to our Travels!

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jim and all...

 

 

 

When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me into the back of

 

their Ford Country-Squire station wagon and drag the family across

 

the US from New Mexico over to Pennsylvania, New Jersey (to visit

 

grandparents and aunts, uncles, cousins), then over to Montana (to

 

visit friends) and then back down to New Mexico....

 

 

 

So... in the days before too many Interstates, we'd see things like

 

the giant Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox in Bimidji, MN; the Black

 

Hills in the Dakotas; lots of "Mystery Spots"; Stuckey's Running

 

Indian "rest-stops"; Howard Johnson's; and so on.

 

 

 

I remember staying at a strange motel before flying overseas--it was

 

on the El Camino Real in Milbrae, CA (what's sort of the 101 freeway

 

now)... This motel was done up in the "traditional Spanish Colonial

 

Style"--with the adobe-look and red-tile roof... it had a *raised

 

swimming pool*... and if one took the stairway with the neon sign

 

advertising a restaurant down below, you'd come across a restaurant

 

designed to look like a Spanish Galleon's interior... with all the

 

nautical-style fixtures... The restaurant and bar had a large window

 

across from the bar that looked into the swimming pool... so you

 

could see the swimmers just messing around and some folks doing

 

the "aquatic ballet" stuff.

 

 

 

That pool made an impression on me as a kid... I still remember

 

eating my cheeseburger and watching the underwater antics of the

 

folks in the pool.

 

 

 

Ah... to be on the *road* again!

 

 

 

Dave Gardner, CCNA, CDLP

 

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

 

Pacific Consultants Group

 

793 S Tracy Blvd 131

 

Tracy CA 95376

 

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wrote:

 

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> Hi Dave,

 

>

 

> Thanks for sharing this with us, it is a different web site then

 

we normally

 

> see.

 

>

 

> James M Conkle

 

> CEO

 

> Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

> Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors

 

> P O Box 290066

 

> Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

> 760 617 3991

 

> 760 868 8614 fax

 

> 760 868 3320

 

> jimconkle@...

 

> www.cart66pf.org

 

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> Wow!... I remember *trekking* across America and

 

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Welcome,

 

 

 

I am working on a postcard for the LHA Nat'l

 

conference in Ely, NV this summer and find a

 

need for a high resolution image of a drawing

 

of a standard LH sign, and a US 50 shield

 

shaped sign. Can anyone help? I need a

 

400-600 dpi tiff, or maybe just someone with

 

advanced PhotoShop skills. Thanks.

 

 

 

The University of Reno, Special Collections Dept.

 

of the University Libraries has a wonderful on-line

 

photo archive/exhibit called "Just Passin' Through -

 

The Lincoln and Victory Highways in Nevada."

 

It features photographs of Reno’s Transcontinental

 

Highways Exposition of 1927 celebrating the

 

completion of the roads. Check it out at:

 

http://xrl.us/fsw7

 

 

 

VisitNebraska tourist site is now featuring a

 

Lincoln Highway scenic byway, and offers

 

extensive links for 9 central NE cities. Check it

 

out at:

 

http://xrl.us/fs72

 

 

 

An article on FortWayne.com about Lincoln's

 

continuing importance on the occasion of the

 

140th anniversary of his assassination:

 

http://xrl.us/fsw9

 

 

 

The Red Caboose motel in Paradise, PA

 

(Lancaster County) where each motel room is

 

an actual train caboose: (Is this on US 30?)

 

http://xrl.us/fsxa

 

 

 

From PittsburghLive.com - Exhibit highlights

 

Ligonier's travel history:

 

http://xrl.us/fsxe

 

 

 

LHA member and Indiana artist Mary Ann

 

Michna will be exhibiting a series of paintings at the

 

Zane Grey/National Road Museum inspired by

 

traveling Route 40 the National Road. Her recent

 

body of Acrylic and mixed media paintings

 

explores the concept of motion by expressing the

 

way it feels to be moving through familiar, American

 

hi-way landscapes. Mary Ann began painting road

 

landscapes three years ago when she commuted from

 

a job in Indianapolis to her studio in Downtown Terre

 

Haute, Indiana. Ms. Michna has an MFA from Pratt

 

Institute in New York and has exhibited her work

 

locally and nationally for over 30 years. Route 40 the

 

National Road Recent Paintings will be on exhibit at

 

the Zane Grey/National Road Museum from July 8,

 

2005 through labor day September 5, 2005.

 

An opening reception for the artist will be held on

 

Friday July 8 from 7-9pm.

 

 

 

From the LA Times:

 

California's history of highway innovation

 

 

 

 

 

If the car is king in California, then the state's vast

 

highway system is its realm. Millions are spent each

 

year on improvements, such as adding carpool lanes

 

and shoring up bridges to withstand earthquakes. A

 

recent innovation is numbered exit signs, which the

 

federal government called for nationwide in 1971.

 

California is the last state to comply.

 

 

 

History of California's highways

 

 

 

1769 - El Camino Real becomes Spanish Colonial

 

California's first road, linking Catholic missions from

 

San Diego to San Francisco.

 

 

 

1895-96 - Three state Bureau of Highways officials

 

visit every county. Their report lays the foundation for

 

today's freeway network. The Lake Tahoe Wagon

 

Road becomes the first state highway.

 

 

 

1913 - The hard-surfaced Lincoln Highway opens,

 

linking the east and west coasts.

 

 

 

1926 - By the time federal highway numbering is

 

ordered, the California auto clubs have pioneered

 

posting of signs. They post federal and, later, state road

 

signs over the next 20 years.

 

 

 

1936 - The San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge opens

 

during the Great Depression. It is followed a year later

 

by the Golden Gate Bridge.

 

 

 

1940 - The six-mile Arroyo Seco Parkway becomes

 

California's first freeway, a divided highway with limited

 

access. It is now the Pasadena Freeway.

 

 

 

1946 - Bobby Troup writes a song urging people to

 

"get your kicks on Route 66," a New Deal road between

 

Chicago and Los Angeles. Route 66 is also "The Mother

 

Road" in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" and a

 

popular 1960-64 TV series.

 

 

 

1971 - Sylmar earthquake damage prompts Caltrans to

 

implement new bridge design criteria and begin a seismic

 

safety retrofitting program for thousands of bridges.

 

 

 

1970s - Carpool lanes are introduced to relieve

 

congestion and pollution.

 

 

 

2002 - California announces a plan to install more than

 

23,000 numbered exit signs on 92 routes in the state by

 

early 2008. (As of March 1, only 2,727 signs had been

 

posted.)

 

 

 

New exit signs - Motorists can use the numbered exits

 

to determine their direction of travel on freeways. Sign

 

numbers increase from south to north and from west to

 

east.

 

 

 

Mileage - The number measures how many miles that

 

exit is from the beginning of the route.

 

 

 

Some things to watch - When the system is completed,

 

each ramp will have as many as three numbered signs. But

 

the center divider and carpool lanes will not have

 

exit-number signs.

 

 

 

Confusing numbers - Sometimes the exit number is the

 

same as the freeway number. On a portion of the Garden

 

Grove Freeway, drivers encounter Exit 22, which is the

 

same number as the state highway.

 

 

 

Letters follow numbers - Multiple exits within a short

 

distance will have numbers and letters. The exit letters

 

also ascend from south to north and from west to east.

 

 

 

Pesky details - * Drivers need to pass at least two exits to

 

determine in which direction they are headed, and it helps

 

if they have a general idea of where the freeway starts in

 

relation to their location. * Exits at the junction of two

 

freeways may not be numbered. Don't look for a number

 

on the Pico Blvd. ramp between the I-110 and I-10, or

 

the Wardlow Road ramp between the I-710 and the 405.

 

 

 

Sources: Caltrans, http://www.lincolnhighwayassoc.org ,

 

, http://www.national66.com ,

 

http://www.cahighways.org , Tahoe National Forest, Historic

 

Photos and Maps of California Highways, ESRI. Graphics

 

reporting by Cheryl Brownstein-Santiago, Paul Duginski and

 

Ross Toro Los Angeles Times

 

 

 

 

 

LHA members report:

 

 

 

Joyce Ausberger writes:

 

The LHA museum in Missouri Valley was to be

 

added on to the Iowa Welcome Center-Museum

 

many years ago. We helped Tim write the ISTEA

 

grant for it. They were awarded over $300,000

 

but had to come up with a 30 percent match. They

 

weren't sure they could do that and were worried

 

that they would be bypassed by the 4 lane hwy 30.

 

They have since been assured they won't move the

 

road by their place. (There is a small possibility they

 

will have another lane added below this one lane some

 

day) Anyway, the director, Kathy Dirks, at our State

 

meeting yesterday announced things were looking

 

good again for this project.

 

 

 

J. R. Manning writes:

 

I was wondering if you know anything about this

 

brochure "Drive the Lincoln System of Highways

 

including US 30, US 91 US 40" and it was published

 

by the Norman Udevitz Advertising Agency, Cheyenne,

 

Wyoming in 1957. It unfolds to 8 panels, it is printed on

 

a buff color heavy stock, probably 80 pound offset. The

 

primary color is a seafoam green with black text. There

 

are B&W photos on the brochure, including a log Pony

 

Express station in Gothenburg, NE, a ski lift in Reno, the

 

arch in Reno, Fremont street in Las Vegas, Sioux dancers

 

in tribal dress in Cheyenne, and the bluffs from Green

 

River, Wyoming. The map stretches across six panels and

 

shows the LH from Aurora to San Francisco, with

 

connecting highways. (It shows US 30 going all the way to

 

Portland and US 91 going from SLC to Los Angeles. The

 

map is illustrated with little caricatures of travelers,

 

cowboys, kids, corn, etc. I find it interesting that as late as

 

1957, this was still called "The Lincoln System" .......

 

[ Editor's note - this was apparently a US highway tourist

 

association in the '50s. I have a small sticker for this

 

showing a US outline map with the routes. A similar folder

 

was on ebay this week - http://xrl.us/fs8j ]

 

 

 

J. R. continues..... I just got back from DeWitt Iowa,

 

where the Iowa chapter met last Saturday. We took a bus

 

tour, thanks to Jeff and Annette LaFollete, of the Calamus

 

pony truss bridge and the original 1913 LH berm through

 

the woods near the Wapsipicon river crossing. It was a

 

great day...we even got to see a house (unexpectedly) in

 

Calamus that was a canopy gas station in the LH days.

 

One of seven tourist cabins is still in the back yard, the

 

parquet floor that was the floor of the cafe is still there (it's

 

a living room today) and the lift is still in the garage floor.

 

Bob Ausberger even got the guy to let us into his basement

 

to see the original air compressor. It's a big ol' tank with a

 

huge GE motor driving a big one cylinder compressor. It's

 

much quieter than the modern compressors I've used. It's

 

right across the highway from Elmer Kettleson's home and

 

LH concrete marker.

 

 

 

Ebay Auctions:

 

 

 

A postcard of the Leno Dinner House in Reno went for

 

$30.99

 

http://xrl.us/fs8n

 

 

 

A real photo postcard of the O. L. D. (Omaha-Lincoln-

 

Denver Highway, now U. S. 6) Filling Station in Sutton,

 

NE went for $52.17:

 

http://xrl.us/fs8q

 

 

 

An ex-library copy of Effie Gladding's Across The

 

Continent by The Lincoln Highway wet for $130.38:

 

http://xrl.us/fs8s

 

 

 

A rare real photo postcard of postcard photographer/

 

publisher Burton Frasher's car and wife out west in the

 

winter went for $130.27:

 

http://xrl.us/fs8t

 

 

 

A real photo postcard of the Silver Fork Inn on US 50

 

in Lake Tahoe went for $29:

 

http://xrl.us/fs8w

 

 

 

A pot metal and celluloid 1907 AAA Auto Tour

 

Entrant Badge went for $510:

 

http://xrl.us/fs8x

 

 

 

A black and white printed postcard of the Lincoln

 

Highway in Hellam, PA went for $34.33:

 

http://xrl.us/fs82

 

 

 

A black and white printed postcard of the Linwood

 

Grove Restaurant on the LH in New Brunswick, NJ

 

went for $53.85:

 

http://xrl.us/fs84

 

 

 

A radiator badge from the Iowa Good Roads Assoc.

 

went for $32.99:

 

http://xrl.us/fs85

 

 

 

A Blair Bridge Lincoln Highway advertising

 

thermometer failed to meet it's reserve after bidding

 

stopped at $306.99

 

http://xrl.us/fs86

 

 

 

A brochure of Rt. 66's Whitt's Court in Tulsa, OK

 

went for $49.00:

 

http://xrl.us/fs87

 

 

 

A 1910 real photo postcard featuring a great Jetter's

 

Beer sign in Omaha went for $130.39:

 

http://xrl.us/fs89

 

 

 

A black and white printed postcard of the LH Seedling

 

Mile in Kearney, NE went for $79.99:

 

http://xrl.us/fs9a

 

 

 

A 1956 black and white printed postcard of the bus

 

stop, snack bar and lounge in Bucyrus, OH went for

 

$36.56:

 

http://xrl.us/fs9b

 

 

 

Vol. 1 No. 1 of the 1921 Theodore Roosevelt Inter-

 

National Highway Magazine went for $64.88:

 

http://xrl.us/fs9e

 

 

 

See you in Upper Sandusky, OH next week-end, and

 

in Plymouth, IN the following weekend.

 

Regards,

 

ypsi-slim

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Guest Alex Burr

Try a cross-country trip, say from Maine to Ohio with

 

TWO sisters in the car - both older. Jeeeezzzze

 

Louise.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

 

 

--- John Sullivan <xploreusa@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Dave and all, are you ready for a good laugh?

 

>

 

> I, too, remember those days of having my sister as

 

> a back seat companion on early cross-country

 

> roadtrips.

 

>

 

> Do you think our parents could have used the

 

> "Portable Automobile Partition" back then? This

 

> thing is too funny.

 

> http://www.bpmlegal.com/w6260903.html

 

>

 

> I love the dejected look of the probable

 

> "instigator" child (that would have been me!) on the

 

> right, after having been supremely thwarted by the

 

> device. There's also a weird truth to the attorney's

 

> comment at the end, "Now, can it come in an opaque

 

> version, so he can't look at me?"

 

>

 

>

 

> Ah, those were the days,

 

>

 

> John

 

>

 

>

 

> D Gardner <dgardner1@comcast.net> wrote:

 

> Hi Jim and all...

 

>

 

> When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me

 

> into the back of

 

> their Ford Country-Squire station wagon...

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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> Raleigh, North Carolina, USA, Earth

 

>

 

> "He rode the fast lane on the road to nowhere."

 

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http://www.kendrick.org/shields-up/

 

 

 

http://www.kurumi.com/

 

 

 

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Very sad. . . I will forever remember the NJ-FL trip in the back

 

seat of Dad's 63 Olds. . . if the car exists there are probably still

 

Cheerios hidden inside. . . .

 

 

 

Oldsmobile through the years

 

http://www.usatoday.com/gallery/olds/frame.htm

 

 

 

The Beetle through the years -

 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/gallery/beetle/frame.htm

 

 

 

Gallery Index

 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/_photo-gallery-index.htm

 

 

 

More car buff stuff on my site here -

 

http://www.experiencenascar.com/chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

<denny@d...> wrote:

 

> In a few years, there will be a new "oldest American

 

automobile company.

 

> Oldsmobile, who currently holds that title, produced its last

 

vehicle today.

 

> In addition to building the first American "production" car, it was

 

> Oldsmobile that supplied the name for what many consider the

 

first rock &

 

> roll song - "Rocket 88".

 

>

 

> A sad day indeed.

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In a message dated 5/30/2004 8:08:19 AM Central Daylight Time,

 

denny@dennygibson.com writes:

 

 

 

 

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus

 

 

 

So glad you enjoyed your Route 6 adventure, Denny. You had the added

 

attraction of seeing how some of those little towns were celebrating the

 

Memorial

 

Day weekend. Reading your journal sure made me wish I'd been there!

 

 

 

Laurel

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Guest WILEYOTTER@AOL.COM

I am really glad you're enjoying the ride and am happy that our

 

recommendations are working out..

 

Keep us informed on the rest of the trip and I am really enjoying your

 

journal and pics of it..

 

 

 

Don

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Guest Denny Gibson

Due to some great advice, I spent Saturday viewing the sites of US 6 in

 

western Pennsylvania. Saturday & Sunday up at:

 

 

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks to some great advice, I spent Saturday enjoying the sites along US 6

 

in western Pennsylnania. Friday & Saturday up at:

 

 

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus

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Guest Alex Burr

Hey Denny - great trip. Enjoyed reading your

 

travelogue. I got to get out that way on one of my

 

trips for sure.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

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My kind of traveling. One of my favorite roads is US-41 which

 

passes fairly close by my place in McHenry County, Illinois. I hope

 

to take it in its entirety some day from Lake Superior to Miami,

 

Florida. I did not know it was part of the Dixie. I'll be looking

 

forward to reading your postings.

 

 

 

Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reynolds"

 

<roustabout@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> After reading Pat and Jennifer Bremer's latest web page

 

updates,

 

> Susan and I were inspired to try our luck at following the West

 

> Mainline of the Dixie Highway from Chattanooga to Atlanta. In the

 

> process, we followed the approximate route of Sherman's Atlanta

 

> Campaign, and also the Great Locomotive Chase--The latter in

 

reverse:

 

 

 

> First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R.

 

Droz,

 

> without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us-

 

> highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for

 

our

 

> trip. And another to Mr. Bradley Putnam of Tunnel Hill, GA who

 

was

 

> my tour guide through the W & A Railroad tunnel, and gave me some

 

> neat links to the Tunnel Hill Area.

 

>

 

> Once again, my pictures are at

 

> http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob (Dixie Highway--

 

West

 

> folder)

 

>

 

> We began our trip at the corner of Main and Market in

 

downtown

 

> Chattanooga, where the Dixie Highway West (hereafter refered to as

 

> DHW) met the Tennessee Connector. Heading east on Main (US 41-

 

76),

 

> we experienced the urban blight so prevalent in cities these days:(

 

>

 

> At the corner of Central, we found some bad news. The old

 

Pure

 

> Oil station has been abandoned. It wouldn't take a lot to get it

 

> back up to par, but somebody has to care first:( <Old Gas Station

 

01,

 

> 02> Back when I was a kid, there was a triangular shaped foot

 

long

 

> hot dog stand in the traffic island. It's long gone, but the hot

 

> dogs can still be bought at the new location on Central. <Main and

 

> Central, Chattanooga>

 

>

 

> Farther along, we passed the site of East Side Junior High,

 

> where I slogged through the 7th and 8th grades:) The school is

 

long

 

> gone, so this 1962 snapshot will have to do <East Side Junior

 

High>.

 

>

 

> One place I used to walk by every day on my way to East Side

 

was

 

> Mosteller's Garage and Wrecking Service. The wrecked car on the

 

roof

 

> makes for a graphic and rather grisly landmark <Mosteller's

 

Garage>.

 

>

 

> At Dodds Avenue, 41-76 heads right, then turns left on

 

Ringgold

 

> Road to pass through Missionary Ridge through the Bachman Tubes.

 

We

 

> chose to go straight, then right on Old Ringgold Road, crossing

 

the

 

> ridge instead. At the top, we made a short side trip north along

 

> Crest Road. This road runs pretty much the length of Missionary

 

> Ridge and has many good views of Chattanooga, as well as Civil War

 

> Monuments. What I love about this road is there are quite a few

 

> stretches that look pretty much the same as they did back in the

 

> 50's. The road still has its original cement paving and guard

 

> rails. <Missionary Ridge 01>

 

>

 

> We pulled into the Bragg Reservation, named for Confederate

 

> General Braxton Bragg, who got the worse end of the stick at the

 

> Battle of Missionary Ridge. This stretch of Crest Road has been

 

> bypassed as the road now drops into the cut made for I-24 back in

 

the

 

> 60's. <Missionary Ridge 02>

 

>

 

> The most impressive thing here is the Illinois Monument

 

> <Missionary Ridge 03-05>. I remember being able to see it from my

 

> back yard when I was a kid. Long before my time there was an

 

> observation tower here. I remember my grandmother telling me

 

about

 

> how my Uncle Wilbur climbed the tower at night back in 1910 with a

 

> telescope to get a good look at Halley's Comet.

 

>

 

> Back to Old Ringgold Road and down to the town of East

 

Ridge.

 

> One note, there is no such ridge as East Ridge. When folks

 

started

 

> moving to the suburbs back in the 50's, they generally talked of

 

> moving "east of the ridge", and the term stuck:) I took pictures

 

of

 

> a few good signs here. <East Ridge 01, 03>. At the corner of

 

> Ringgold and Green's Lake Rd., there used to be a motel. Only the

 

> office building remains <East Ridge 02>. The units all looked

 

like

 

> this, with the stone walls with scalloped tops.

 

>

 

> On into Georgia! It had been years since I drove this road

 

and

 

> I was happy to see the the changes over the years weren't *too*

 

> radical. I guess most of the newer construction is around the I-

 

75

 

> interchanges:) Our next stop was Ringgold. Like most of the

 

towns

 

> in this area, Ringgold's economy was tied in with the Western and

 

> Atlantic Railroad. So I wound up taking a number of depot

 

pictures:)

 

> <Ringgold Train Station, Ringgold> There was a fairly good

 

looking

 

> old gas station on the main drag, part of which was being used as

 

a

 

> sub shop with a clever name:) <Old Gas Station 03, 04>

 

>

 

> We took a side trip north on GA 151 to connect with the Great

 

> Locomotive Chase ( http://ngeorgia.com/history/raiders.html ) and

 

> the famous locomotive The "General" (

 

> http://ngeorgia.com/people/thegeneral.html ). We found the spot

 

> where the chase ended when Andrews' Raiders abandoned the General

 

> which had run out of wood <The General 01>.

 

>

 

> Returning to 41-76, we passed through Ringgold Gap in

 

Taylor's

 

> Ridge. We stopped at a pulloff, commemorating the battle of

 

Ringgold

 

> Gap. There was a map of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign there, showing

 

> how he followed the railroad south <Map of the Atlanta Campaign>.

 

I

 

> guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to

 

whether

 

> you consider Sherman to have been a great military tactician, or

 

an

 

> arsonist:)

 

>

 

> Below Ringgold we found a sliver of old Dixie Highway. You

 

hang

 

> a right on Bandy road, then a left on old Dixie Highway. It's

 

only a

 

> couple of blocks long <Old Dixie Highway 01>.

 

>

 

> Next stop, Tunnel Hill. The W&A Railroad tunnel through

 

> Chetoogeta Mountain was one of the first in the south, being

 

> completed in 1850 <Tunnel Hill 01>. The General and its pursuers

 

> passed though here on the way to Ringgold.

 

>

 

> This was where I met Mr. Bradley Putnam, the guide who took

 

me

 

> through the tunnel and told me lots of interesting history about

 

the

 

> area <Tunnel Hill 03>. The State of Georgia deeded the tunnel and

 

> surrounding lands to the city of Tunnel Hill for an historic

 

site.

 

> The tunnel was used for 78 years until the trains got so big they

 

> were getting stuck:) The present railroad tunnel was built just

 

> north of the original in 1928.

 

>

 

> The inside of the tunnel <Tunnel Hill 02> has been lighted and

 

> the tracks replaced with asphalt pavement. Much of the tunnel is

 

> native rock, but some places, especially the ceiling are lined

 

with

 

> stone and bricks.

 

>

 

> Here are a couple of web sites Mr. Putman sent me.

 

>

 

> www.northga.net/whitfield/tunnel.html

 

>

 

> http://www.tunnelhillheritagecenter.com/

 

>

 

> Enjoy!

 

>

 

> After leaving tunnel hill, we took the Old Chattanooga Road

 

down

 

> to Rocky Face. This road is well maintained and goes through some

 

> nice residential areas <Old Dixie Highway 02>.

 

>

 

> Our last stop of the day was Dalton. The last time I was

 

there

 

> I got royally lost, as the new bypass was a total surprise to me.

 

We

 

> had better luck this time, thanks to DeLorme:) The best photo ops

 

> were right downtown, a bit off the old highway. A particular

 

> favorite of mine is this old movie theater, now being used as a

 

> church <Dalton 01>.

 

>

 

> Like so many southern towns, Dalton has a statue to a local

 

> Confederate hero downtown. I was approaching the statue from

 

behind

 

> when I saw this plaque on the ground <Dalton 02>. "Hmmmmm", I

 

> thought, "could this be the General Electric I've heard about all

 

my

 

> life?:)" Nope:) It was General Joseph Johnson who commanded the

 

> Confederate forces in Dalton <Dalton 03>.

 

>

 

> We also found at least one of the Dalton depots <Dalton 04>.

 

> One of my coworkers says there's another one, in better shape

 

which

 

> has a restaurant. We'll look for that one next time.

 

>

 

> Since we only had the one day to road trip, we decided to stop

 

> here and return another weekend. We got on I-75 and headed home.

 

>

 

>

 

> To be continued...

 

>

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In an article in

 

the April 27th Iowa State Daily, Shannon Sanders, discussed a

 

proposed 15 day roadtrip in which she and friends will visit many

 

interesting sites. This is the student newspaper of Iowa Sate

 

University, located right on the old Lincoln Highway.

 

 

 

I really like to see younger people getting interested in non-

 

interstate trips, where the destination is not the only thing, but,

 

rather, the journey is just as important.

 

 

 

She went into a discussion as to how to prepare for such a trip,

 

then gave her trip intinerary. She is going to the states of

 

Nebraska, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri.

 

 

 

Intended stops in Nebraska will be at Ted and Wally's at Omaha's Old

 

Market, the world's largest porch swing at Hebron, the home of Kool

 

Aid in Hasting's, and Nebraska's only lighthouse at Minatare Lake.

 

 

 

She'll also be visiting the "Shining" hotel in Estes Park, Co., the

 

Four Corners and Mesa Verde National Park, the Taos Pueblo,

 

Wonderland in Amarillo, Tx., the Oklahoma City Memorial, and a final

 

stop in Kansas City, before returning home.

 

 

 

Sounds like a great trip to me.

 

 

 

Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog

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Hi All,

 

I found this article in the Chicago Sun Times Thursday, I know it's late but

 

thought the info would be ineresting.

 

Pendleton, Ind

 

A 50 mile long yard sale is expected to draw crowds of bargain hunters to a

 

stretch of Indiana 38 this weekend.

 

The sale, in it's third year, runs between the central Indiana cities of

 

Noblesville and New Castle.

 

' You never know what you ae going to find at the sale," said Jerry

 

Burmeister, one of the sale's organizers, 'Everybody is searching for that

 

bargain--

 

and they are out there."

 

In the Madison County community of Pendleton, town officials rent booths

 

along sidewalks and use the money to pay for downtown improvements.

 

Homeowners along the route are being encouraged to host their own outdoor

 

rummage sales.

 

"We're hoping it gets bigger and better every year," Burmeister said.

 

The yard sale will run from 8:am to 6:pm Friday and Saturday and from 1:pm

 

tto 5:pm Sunday.

 

m The sale is modeled after a similar event billed as the "World's Longest

 

yard Sale." which extends 450 miles from Covington, Ky to Gadsden, Ala.

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote:

 

> Over the weekend I followed this group's moderators on a mini-caravan

 

that

 

> targeted Historic 66 but had a little US-40 on the front end and a

 

little

 

> US-52 on the back. Some of what I saw is posted at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/ill052005

 

 

 

Excellent reporting! True, the ride on 52 isn't the most inspiring, but

 

there are a few notable photo opps I'd like to take one of these days.

 

There's what appears to be a little jail cell in the town park of

 

either Iriquois or Donovan (can't think which), and that railroad

 

trestle that crosses 52 at an angle north of Sheldon. Kankakee has the

 

old railroad bridge crossing the Kankakee River as well. But hey, I'll

 

still pay homage to an old US highway whether there's a sight to see or

 

not. Boring roads need lovin' too. :-)

 

 

 

Pat B.

 

Speedway, IN

 

http://roadtripmemories.com

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reynolds" <roustabout@...>

 

wrote:

 

 

 

> First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz,

 

> without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us-

 

> highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our

 

> trip.

 

 

 

Great report, Bob! I too found the Dixie Highway page via RVD's website

 

last year. I discovered the DH-W alignment is 2 blocks south of me.

 

 

 

RVD should be commended for the work he's put into his entire us-

 

highways.com web site. No other site comes close to it for information

 

on federal highways and auto trails of the past. Job well done!

 

 

 

Pat B.

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Guest Jennifer

Denny,

 

 

 

I thoroughly enjoyed your trip reports! I wish I had a laptop so I

 

could get the updates done so fast too. It takes me some time even

 

after I get home, with so many overdue household projects and such.

 

 

 

So, seeing your trip reports was fun!

 

 

 

Glad you made the trip! :)

 

 

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...>

 

wrote:

 

> Over the weekend I followed this group's moderators on a mini-

 

caravan that

 

> targeted Historic 66 but had a little US-40 on the front end and a

 

little

 

> US-52 on the back. Some of what I saw is posted at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/ill052005

 

>

 

> Now I'm going to take advantage of this opening to give some

 

background on

 

> DennyGibson.com. Trip reports make up the bulk of the site with a

 

page for

 

> each day of multi-day trips. Some trips get additional background

 

> information, some don't. The goal is to post each day's report at

 

the end of

 

> the day so that it is sort of real-time with one day resolution. In

 

> practice, technical difficulties (computers ARE involved, you know)

 

and

 

> schedule conflicts (e.g., sleeping) sometimes keep that from

 

happening but

 

> that remains the ideal. After the trip ends, the reports just sit

 

there in

 

> cyber space waiting for any interested (or unlucky) surfers. An

 

index of

 

> completed trips is available at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/triplist.php

 

>

 

> For a few early trips, I used large chunks of my Outlook address

 

book to

 

> send announcements to people and groups who I felt had at least a

 

slight

 

> chance of being interested. I don't do that any more. I do post

 

something

 

> about a trip to groups that I'm fairly confident have some

 

interest. A Route

 

> 66 trip will get at least a completion message on Route 66 groups

 

and a

 

> Corvette centric outing will get the same on some 'Vette related

 

groups.

 

> Since this group is about all American Roads, or at least the

 

interesting

 

> ones, I'll usually mention a trip here at some point. I do offer a

 

couple of

 

> "opt in" mailing lists. One is just for trip announcements. Maybe

 

just a

 

> completion; Maybe a start and end. It's low volume but will keep

 

you from

 

> missing something no matter how boring. The other list has bursts of

 

> activity when a trip is in progress. It includes any announcements

 

and also

 

> sends a message when each individual day is posted. List signups

 

are at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/listmailer/?p=subscribe&id=1

 

> or they can be reached from a link on the site's home page. If you

 

do sign

 

> up, be sure to respond to the confirmation message. Opting out is

 

just as

 

> easy.

 

>

 

> Except for some Google ads and affiliate links to my web host &

 

domain

 

> registrar, there is nothing commercial going on here and even

 

calling those

 

> commercial is a stretch. It's only a hobby so feel welcome to visit

 

or

 

> ignore as you see fit.

 

>

 

> Thanks for the bandwidth and hope to see everyone on a road

 

somewhere,

 

> Denny Gibson

 

> Cincinnati, OH

 

> www.DennyGibson.com

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

Over the weekend, I met up with my family at a really neat winery about 15 miles

 

outside Ste. Genevieve, MO (app 65 miles South of St. Louis) It is called the

 

Cave Winery and Vinyards...it gives you an opportunity to enjoy some good

 

Missouri wine and enjoy a nice picnic in a Cave (not a tiny hole in the wall;

 

the entry made me think of pics of folks cruising into Meramec Caverns in the

 

day when you parked there)! It also overlooks some beautiful foliage which

 

would be great during the fall. You can find out more about the place at

 

www.cavevinyard.com. For folks trekking 66 through St. Louis it is a nice

 

diversion; there are a few other wineries close by, and Ste. Genevieve is a

 

great place to make a base camp...highly recommended! Tsingtao, Kip

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Guest Denny Gibson

Good stuff there, Bob. I drove US-41 from Atlanta to Chattanooga about a

 

year and a half ago and know I went through Tunnel Hill & Ringgold but I was

 

unaware of the General connection and entirely missed things like that cool

 

tunnel. But I'll get it next time;-)

 

 

 

And I'd like to join you & Pat in noting the great work Robert Droz has

 

done. I believe that, except for Google & eBay, I probably visit that site

 

more than any other. What an astounding amount of information.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Bob Reynolds [mailto:roustabout@starband.net]

 

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:14 PM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Dixie Dreamin'--The Great Locomotive Chase--Day

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

After reading Pat and Jennifer Bremer's latest web page updates,

 

Susan and I were inspired to try our luck at following the West

 

Mainline of the Dixie Highway from Chattanooga to Atlanta. In the

 

process, we followed the approximate route of Sherman's Atlanta

 

Campaign, and also the Great Locomotive Chase--The latter in reverse:)

 

 

 

First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz,

 

without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us-

 

highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our

 

trip. And another to Mr. Bradley Putnam of Tunnel Hill, GA who was

 

my tour guide through the W & A Railroad tunnel, and gave me some

 

neat links to the Tunnel Hill Area.

 

 

 

Once again, my pictures are at

 

http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob (Dixie Highway--West

 

folder)

 

 

 

We began our trip at the corner of Main and Market in downtown

 

Chattanooga, where the Dixie Highway West (hereafter refered to as

 

DHW) met the Tennessee Connector. Heading east on Main (US 41-76),

 

we experienced the urban blight so prevalent in cities these days:(

 

 

 

At the corner of Central, we found some bad news. The old Pure

 

Oil station has been abandoned. It wouldn't take a lot to get it

 

back up to par, but somebody has to care first:( <Old Gas Station 01,

 

02> Back when I was a kid, there was a triangular shaped foot long

 

hot dog stand in the traffic island. It's long gone, but the hot

 

dogs can still be bought at the new location on Central. <Main and

 

Central, Chattanooga>

 

 

 

Farther along, we passed the site of East Side Junior High,

 

where I slogged through the 7th and 8th grades:) The school is long

 

gone, so this 1962 snapshot will have to do <East Side Junior High>.

 

 

 

One place I used to walk by every day on my way to East Side was

 

Mosteller's Garage and Wrecking Service. The wrecked car on the roof

 

makes for a graphic and rather grisly landmark <Mosteller's Garage>.

 

 

 

At Dodds Avenue, 41-76 heads right, then turns left on Ringgold

 

Road to pass through Missionary Ridge through the Bachman Tubes. We

 

chose to go straight, then right on Old Ringgold Road, crossing the

 

ridge instead. At the top, we made a short side trip north along

 

Crest Road. This road runs pretty much the length of Missionary

 

Ridge and has many good views of Chattanooga, as well as Civil War

 

Monuments. What I love about this road is there are quite a few

 

stretches that look pretty much the same as they did back in the

 

50's. The road still has its original cement paving and guard

 

rails. <Missionary Ridge 01>

 

 

 

We pulled into the Bragg Reservation, named for Confederate

 

General Braxton Bragg, who got the worse end of the stick at the

 

Battle of Missionary Ridge. This stretch of Crest Road has been

 

bypassed as the road now drops into the cut made for I-24 back in the

 

60's. <Missionary Ridge 02>

 

 

 

The most impressive thing here is the Illinois Monument

 

<Missionary Ridge 03-05>. I remember being able to see it from my

 

back yard when I was a kid. Long before my time there was an

 

observation tower here. I remember my grandmother telling me about

 

how my Uncle Wilbur climbed the tower at night back in 1910 with a

 

telescope to get a good look at Halley's Comet.

 

 

 

Back to Old Ringgold Road and down to the town of East Ridge.

 

One note, there is no such ridge as East Ridge. When folks started

 

moving to the suburbs back in the 50's, they generally talked of

 

moving "east of the ridge", and the term stuck:) I took pictures of

 

a few good signs here. <East Ridge 01, 03>. At the corner of

 

Ringgold and Green's Lake Rd., there used to be a motel. Only the

 

office building remains <East Ridge 02>. The units all looked like

 

this, with the stone walls with scalloped tops.

 

 

 

On into Georgia! It had been years since I drove this road and

 

I was happy to see the the changes over the years weren't *too*

 

radical. I guess most of the newer construction is around the I-75

 

interchanges:) Our next stop was Ringgold. Like most of the towns

 

in this area, Ringgold's economy was tied in with the Western and

 

Atlantic Railroad. So I wound up taking a number of depot pictures:)

 

<Ringgold Train Station, Ringgold> There was a fairly good looking

 

old gas station on the main drag, part of which was being used as a

 

sub shop with a clever name:) <Old Gas Station 03, 04>

 

 

 

We took a side trip north on GA 151 to connect with the Great

 

Locomotive Chase ( http://ngeorgia.com/history/raiders.html ) and

 

the famous locomotive The "General" (

 

http://ngeorgia.com/people/thegeneral.html ). We found the spot

 

where the chase ended when Andrews' Raiders abandoned the General

 

which had run out of wood <The General 01>.

 

 

 

Returning to 41-76, we passed through Ringgold Gap in Taylor's

 

Ridge. We stopped at a pulloff, commemorating the battle of Ringgold

 

Gap. There was a map of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign there, showing

 

how he followed the railroad south <Map of the Atlanta Campaign>. I

 

guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether

 

you consider Sherman to have been a great military tactician, or an

 

arsonist:)

 

 

 

Below Ringgold we found a sliver of old Dixie Highway. You hang

 

a right on Bandy road, then a left on old Dixie Highway. It's only a

 

couple of blocks long <Old Dixie Highway 01>.

 

 

 

Next stop, Tunnel Hill. The W&A Railroad tunnel through

 

Chetoogeta Mountain was one of the first in the south, being

 

completed in 1850 <Tunnel Hill 01>. The General and its pursuers

 

passed though here on the way to Ringgold.

 

 

 

This was where I met Mr. Bradley Putnam, the guide who took me

 

through the tunnel and told me lots of interesting history about the

 

area <Tunnel Hill 03>. The State of Georgia deeded the tunnel and

 

surrounding lands to the city of Tunnel Hill for an historic site.

 

The tunnel was used for 78 years until the trains got so big they

 

were getting stuck:) The present railroad tunnel was built just

 

north of the original in 1928.

 

 

 

The inside of the tunnel <Tunnel Hill 02> has been lighted and

 

the tracks replaced with asphalt pavement. Much of the tunnel is

 

native rock, but some places, especially the ceiling are lined with

 

stone and bricks.

 

 

 

Here are a couple of web sites Mr. Putman sent me.

 

 

 

www.northga.net/whitfield/tunnel.html

 

 

 

http://www.tunnelhillheritagecenter.com/

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

After leaving tunnel hill, we took the Old Chattanooga Road down

 

to Rocky Face. This road is well maintained and goes through some

 

nice residential areas <Old Dixie Highway 02>.

 

 

 

Our last stop of the day was Dalton. The last time I was there

 

I got royally lost, as the new bypass was a total surprise to me. We

 

had better luck this time, thanks to DeLorme:) The best photo ops

 

were right downtown, a bit off the old highway. A particular

 

favorite of mine is this old movie theater, now being used as a

 

church <Dalton 01>.

 

 

 

Like so many southern towns, Dalton has a statue to a local

 

Confederate hero downtown. I was approaching the statue from behind

 

when I saw this plaque on the ground <Dalton 02>. "Hmmmmm", I

 

thought, "could this be the General Electric I've heard about all my

 

life?:)" Nope:) It was General Joseph Johnson who commanded the

 

Confederate forces in Dalton <Dalton 03>.

 

 

 

We also found at least one of the Dalton depots <Dalton 04>.

 

One of my coworkers says there's another one, in better shape which

 

has a restaurant. We'll look for that one next time.

 

 

 

Since we only had the one day to road trip, we decided to stop

 

here and return another weekend. We got on I-75 and headed home.

 

 

 

 

 

To be continued...

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

My apologies...I just tried to pull up www.cavevinyards.com and got one of those

 

"this message cannot be displayed" deals...if you do a search under "Ste.

 

Genevieve Wineries" you will get a map that has all the wineries around Ste.

 

Genevieve including the Cave Winery/vinyards...if you have questions let me

 

know...tsingtao, Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

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Cc: Briney Welborn

 

Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:27 PM

 

Subject: [route66] The Cave Winery (slightly OT)

 

 

 

 

 

Over the weekend, I met up with my family at a really neat winery about 15

 

miles outside Ste. Genevieve, MO (app 65 miles South of St. Louis) It is called

 

the Cave Winery and Vinyards...it gives you an opportunity to enjoy some good

 

Missouri wine and enjoy a nice picnic in a Cave (not a tiny hole in the wall;

 

the entry made me think of pics of folks cruising into Meramec Caverns in the

 

day when you parked there)! It also overlooks some beautiful foliage which

 

would be great during the fall. You can find out more about the place at

 

www.cavevinyard.com. For folks trekking 66 through St. Louis it is a nice

 

diversion; there are a few other wineries close by, and Ste. Genevieve is a

 

great place to make a base camp...highly recommended! Tsingtao, Kip

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest John Mateyko

We ran Texas 281 from Wichita Falls to Mineral Wells. Saw the Baker

 

Hotel which by all means should be blown to pieces. Then to what use

 

to be Camp Walters of which parts if a minimin security Texas prison

 

and the rest of which is industrial cheap stuff and the rest ought to

 

be fire bombed. On to an entirably terrible Easter Sunday meal in

 

Clairette, TX. Missed going onto Hico, turned westbound on some road

 

and the dining establishment is about a mile on the left. Worst food

 

being served with the gravy on the bottom side of a chicken fried

 

steak, cold french fried, dirty floor and poor service.

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Guest Russell S. Rein

The correct URL is: www.cavevineyards.com

 

Kip forgot the e after vin

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:46:55 -0500 "Rudyard Welborn"

 

<r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net> writes:

 

> My apologies...I just tried to pull up www.cavevinyards.com and got

 

> one of those "this message cannot be displayed" deals...if you do a

 

> search under "Ste. Genevieve Wineries" you will get a map that has

 

> all the wineries around Ste. Genevieve including the Cave

 

> Winery/vinyards...if you have questions let me know...tsingtao, Kip

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Rudyard Welborn

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Guest Dorothy Thompson

Hi everyone...I haven't posted for awhile, but I'll be back on the road again in

 

September and I was wondering if you could help me with something. I plan on

 

flying to Las Vegas, then taking a rental car to the California border which is

 

on route 15. I plan on staying on that route, hopefully, all the way to Burbank

 

(plans aren't concrete yet), but if I decide not to go that far, is there

 

anything on route 15 other than vast stretches of road? I've looked at it on

 

the map and there are a few towns along the way, but in those few towns, are

 

there any souvenir shops or other things to do? Thanks so much for any help you

 

can give me. ;o)

 

 

 

Incidentally, vast stretches of road sounds awfully good being as I'll get to

 

see my homeland again, but I was just curious as to what kind of shops or things

 

to do they might have along the way.

 

 

 

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Each county in Missouri paid MoDot $80 per brown and white historic

 

66 sign. These were installed at strategic locations as suggested by

 

the Route 66 Association of Missouri. The initial sign purchases

 

were in perpetuity and MoDot agreed to replace any of the original

 

signs that turn up missing at no additional cost. Replacements,

 

however, are only made periodically and as a result some signs have

 

been "down" longer than they were "up." Don't know how this works in

 

the other seven states, nor do I have any idea about replacement cost

 

for interstate or U.S. highway signs. I am confident, though, that

 

theft and possession of any MoDot-installed highway sign is illegal,

 

with one type of sign carrying no more penalty than another -- with

 

the possible exception of stop signs and similar warning

 

signs....Bliss

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Fred M. Cain" <fredmcain@b...>

 

wrote:

 

> I'm not sure that the brown and white "Historic" signs that

 

> Missouri, Illinois and a few other states have installed are truly

 

> considered to be full-fledged traffic control devices. They might

 

> be commorative in nature only.

 

>

 

> I have also wonder about the laws that deal with someone defacing

 

or

 

> stealing a legal traffic control sign (Like a U.S. 71 shield, for

 

> example) and the historic brown and white markers. Would there be

 

a

 

> difference? Does anybody know?

 

>

 

> Also, would there be a difference between the replacement rates

 

when

 

> someone steals a sign like a U.S. 71 shield or an I-44 shield or

 

> even a speed limit sign, for that matter, and the historic markers?

 

>

 

> Again, I don't know. Does anyone else know?

 

>

 

> -Fred

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...>

 

> wrote:

 

> > Missouri '66 wouldn't be nearly as confusing if we could only

 

> *keep*

 

> > the historic signs in place. Once stolen (and that's happening

 

at

 

> an

 

> > alarming rate) it takes MoDot years to replace them, if ever.

 

> They

 

> > say that they do a "sweep" every three or four years to determine

 

> > where signs need to be replaced but I can't believe that's a

 

> priority

 

> > for them. For example, there are missing signs on 100,

 

Manchester

 

> > Road in Des Peres (westbound lanes), County AH east crossover

 

> > (eastbound lane - stolen several years ago), County AH crossover

 

> > (westbound), Stanton crossover (both east and westbound), and,

 

I'm

 

> > certain, more than I can currently recall. The only signs

 

> remaining

 

> > at these sites are the directional arrows originally installed

 

> with

 

> > the brown and white signs. We noticed recently, though, that

 

some

 

> > enterprising souls placed two separate Historic Route 66 stickers

 

> on

 

> > the arrow just east of St. Clair. I suppose that some fool will

 

> > steal that too. Have we reached the point where the shield just

 

> > needs to painted on the road surface like we've seen in KS?

 

> > Sigh....Bliss

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn"

 

> > <r.Welborn@w...> wrote:

 

> > > There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route"

 

> 66

 

> > signs all

 

> > > up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to

 

> > have a book

 

> > > (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps

 

are

 

> > > problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to

 

> > show you

 

> > > where all the twists and turns are, much less the old

 

alignments

 

> > and patches

 

> > > of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done

 

> to

 

> > mark the

 

> > > route should be the model for all the states...know that is not

 

> > cheap and

 

> > > that the states along the route have other priorities but

 

that's

 

> my

 

> > > dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or

 

> restatement

 

> > of Route

 

> > > 66. Tsingtao, Kip

 

> > > ----- Original Message -----

 

> > > From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@y...>

 

> > > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM

 

> > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken"

 

> <thelandrunner@y...>

 

> > > > wrote:

 

> > > > > Jim,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly

 

> Historic

 

> > > > Route

 

> > > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of

 

> awareness

 

> > > > does

 

> > > > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the

 

route

 

> as

 

> > an

 

> > > > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the

 

> latter

 

> > > > would

 

> > > > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the

 

> > > > roadbed

 

> > > > > to current highway standards.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the

 

> > unequivocal

 

> > > > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates.

 

> The

 

> > Web

 

> > > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may

 

> say

 

> > > > one thing, but his site and actions say another.

 

> > > >

 

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Dear Group Members,

 

 

 

A few people have tried to hurt me by claiming that I really don't know

 

anything because "I haven't even been on 66 in decades by my own

 

admission". At least I think that's what was said. At first I wasn't even

 

going to respond to this because I saw it as an unkind, hurting slam rather

 

than a rational arguement. But as the rumor spread, I changed my mind.

 

Here it goes.

 

 

 

Actually, I don't believe I ever really said anything exactly like that.

 

When asked by someone off-list when I was on 66 last I think I said

 

something like "It's been a while; longer than I'd like. I have financial

 

and personal obligations whereby I can't just get up and go right now".

 

 

 

In a different paragraph, I did relate that I was fortunate enough to have

 

traveled with my family across the country on 66 in 1965. We went from East

 

St. Louis to Flagstaff on our way from New York to Tucson. It was truly a

 

trip that changed my life. Somehow these two different trains of thought

 

got twisted around and translated into the false fact that I haven't seen

 

Route 66 since 1965. Not so.

 

 

 

I don't pretend to know any more than the next guy or some of the younger

 

folks in our group that are an important part of this great movement. I'm

 

just another guy, that's all. But I do feel that my experiences on 66 as a

 

kid give me a somewhat different perspective than those who didn't see it.

 

There was something truly magic about leaving a newly-completed, God

 

forsaken section of Interstate Highway behind and watching the super-slab

 

funnel back down into two-lane and seeing a wonderful, beautiful sight: A

 

U.S. 66 shield with a reassuring "WEST" banner on top. It was like, "Oh

 

thank God. We survived that hell and are back on the right road again

 

now". I can't explain this. You kinda had to be there.

 

 

 

What if I could just drop everything like I've been told, get out and drive

 

the Route tomorrow and be gone for two weeks? Would that change my

 

perspective? Maybe. But I doubt it because from all the info and input

 

I've received, I feel like I already have a pretty good idea what's out

 

there.

 

 

 

But here's an even greater question: What if the experience did *NOT*

 

change my viewpoint but only tended to solidfy it? Would that then make any

 

difference to those of you who hate me and have a vendetta against me? Once

 

again, maybe, but I seriously doubt it.

 

 

 

The future of Route 66 is doomed if we can't find a way to all get along and

 

work together. I'm not the only one who has said that. Every single one of

 

you has something to offer. Every single one of you is very, very

 

important. Please, let's keep that in mind.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Fred M. Cain,

 

U.S. Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative

 

http://www.bringbackroute66.com

 

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