Guest John Sullivan Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dave and all, are you ready for a good laugh? I, too, remember those days of having my sister as a back seat companion on early cross-country roadtrips. Do you think our parents could have used the "Portable Automobile Partition" back then? This thing is too funny. http://www.bpmlegal.com/w6260903.html I love the dejected look of the probable "instigator" child (that would have been me!) on the right, after having been supremely thwarted by the device. There's also a weird truth to the attorney's comment at the end, "Now, can it come in an opaque version, so he can't look at me?" Ah, those were the days, John D Gardner <dgardner1@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Jim and all... When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me into the back of their Ford Country-Squire station wagon... ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` John M. Sullivan Raleigh, North Carolina, USA, Earth "He rode the fast lane on the road to nowhere." -- Tagline for the film, Five Easy Pieces . --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim conkle Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 And some people wonder why we love the old roads. That is where some of our best memories come from. We had to use our imaginations and the old standard form of play the 'make believe'. How many wars did we win, ladies in distress we saved and places we visited in our minds. My grandchildren know all about Disneyland and video games they never play 'kick the can', 'hide & go seek' or 'steel the bacon' . Their minds might be faster but not their bodies and they don't dream like we used to. We used to think we were flying high if we got to first base with a girl. Now days the kids want to hit a home run with every girl they meet. Yes you can bring back the good old days anytime you want. James M Conkle CEO Route 66 Preservation Foundation Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760 617 3991 760 868 8614 fax 760 868 3320 jimconkle@verizon.net www.cart66pf.org -----Original Message---- From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of D Gardner Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:34 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Stumbled over this website... and it applies to our Travels! Hi Jim and all... When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me into the back of their Ford Country-Squire station wagon and drag the family across the US from New Mexico over to Pennsylvania, New Jersey (to visit grandparents and aunts, uncles, cousins), then over to Montana (to visit friends) and then back down to New Mexico.... So... in the days before too many Interstates, we'd see things like the giant Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox in Bimidji, MN; the Black Hills in the Dakotas; lots of "Mystery Spots"; Stuckey's Running Indian "rest-stops"; Howard Johnson's; and so on. I remember staying at a strange motel before flying overseas--it was on the El Camino Real in Milbrae, CA (what's sort of the 101 freeway now)... This motel was done up in the "traditional Spanish Colonial Style"--with the adobe-look and red-tile roof... it had a *raised swimming pool*... and if one took the stairway with the neon sign advertising a restaurant down below, you'd come across a restaurant designed to look like a Spanish Galleon's interior... with all the nautical-style fixtures... The restaurant and bar had a large window across from the bar that looked into the swimming pool... so you could see the swimmers just messing around and some folks doing the "aquatic ballet" stuff. That pool made an impression on me as a kid... I still remember eating my cheeseburger and watching the underwater antics of the folks in the pool. Ah... to be on the *road* again! Dave Gardner, CCNA, CDLP Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor Pacific Consultants Group 793 S Tracy Blvd 131 Tracy CA 95376 http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/davidgardner --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jim conkle" <jimconkle@...> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Thanks for sharing this with us, it is a different web site then we normally > see. > > James M Conkle > CEO > Route 66 Preservation Foundation > Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors > P O Box 290066 > Phelan, CA 92329-0066 > 760 617 3991 > 760 868 8614 fax > 760 868 3320 > jimconkle@... > www.cart66pf.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of D Gardner > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:57 AM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Stumbled over this website... and it applies to > our Travels! > > > > Wow!... 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Guest Russell S. Rein Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Welcome, I am working on a postcard for the LHA Nat'l conference in Ely, NV this summer and find a need for a high resolution image of a drawing of a standard LH sign, and a US 50 shield shaped sign. Can anyone help? I need a 400-600 dpi tiff, or maybe just someone with advanced PhotoShop skills. Thanks. The University of Reno, Special Collections Dept. of the University Libraries has a wonderful on-line photo archive/exhibit called "Just Passin' Through - The Lincoln and Victory Highways in Nevada." It features photographs of Reno’s Transcontinental Highways Exposition of 1927 celebrating the completion of the roads. Check it out at: http://xrl.us/fsw7 VisitNebraska tourist site is now featuring a Lincoln Highway scenic byway, and offers extensive links for 9 central NE cities. Check it out at: http://xrl.us/fs72 An article on FortWayne.com about Lincoln's continuing importance on the occasion of the 140th anniversary of his assassination: http://xrl.us/fsw9 The Red Caboose motel in Paradise, PA (Lancaster County) where each motel room is an actual train caboose: (Is this on US 30?) http://xrl.us/fsxa From PittsburghLive.com - Exhibit highlights Ligonier's travel history: http://xrl.us/fsxe LHA member and Indiana artist Mary Ann Michna will be exhibiting a series of paintings at the Zane Grey/National Road Museum inspired by traveling Route 40 the National Road. Her recent body of Acrylic and mixed media paintings explores the concept of motion by expressing the way it feels to be moving through familiar, American hi-way landscapes. Mary Ann began painting road landscapes three years ago when she commuted from a job in Indianapolis to her studio in Downtown Terre Haute, Indiana. Ms. Michna has an MFA from Pratt Institute in New York and has exhibited her work locally and nationally for over 30 years. Route 40 the National Road Recent Paintings will be on exhibit at the Zane Grey/National Road Museum from July 8, 2005 through labor day September 5, 2005. An opening reception for the artist will be held on Friday July 8 from 7-9pm. From the LA Times: California's history of highway innovation If the car is king in California, then the state's vast highway system is its realm. Millions are spent each year on improvements, such as adding carpool lanes and shoring up bridges to withstand earthquakes. A recent innovation is numbered exit signs, which the federal government called for nationwide in 1971. California is the last state to comply. History of California's highways 1769 - El Camino Real becomes Spanish Colonial California's first road, linking Catholic missions from San Diego to San Francisco. 1895-96 - Three state Bureau of Highways officials visit every county. Their report lays the foundation for today's freeway network. The Lake Tahoe Wagon Road becomes the first state highway. 1913 - The hard-surfaced Lincoln Highway opens, linking the east and west coasts. 1926 - By the time federal highway numbering is ordered, the California auto clubs have pioneered posting of signs. They post federal and, later, state road signs over the next 20 years. 1936 - The San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge opens during the Great Depression. It is followed a year later by the Golden Gate Bridge. 1940 - The six-mile Arroyo Seco Parkway becomes California's first freeway, a divided highway with limited access. It is now the Pasadena Freeway. 1946 - Bobby Troup writes a song urging people to "get your kicks on Route 66," a New Deal road between Chicago and Los Angeles. Route 66 is also "The Mother Road" in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" and a popular 1960-64 TV series. 1971 - Sylmar earthquake damage prompts Caltrans to implement new bridge design criteria and begin a seismic safety retrofitting program for thousands of bridges. 1970s - Carpool lanes are introduced to relieve congestion and pollution. 2002 - California announces a plan to install more than 23,000 numbered exit signs on 92 routes in the state by early 2008. (As of March 1, only 2,727 signs had been posted.) New exit signs - Motorists can use the numbered exits to determine their direction of travel on freeways. Sign numbers increase from south to north and from west to east. Mileage - The number measures how many miles that exit is from the beginning of the route. Some things to watch - When the system is completed, each ramp will have as many as three numbered signs. But the center divider and carpool lanes will not have exit-number signs. Confusing numbers - Sometimes the exit number is the same as the freeway number. On a portion of the Garden Grove Freeway, drivers encounter Exit 22, which is the same number as the state highway. Letters follow numbers - Multiple exits within a short distance will have numbers and letters. The exit letters also ascend from south to north and from west to east. Pesky details - * Drivers need to pass at least two exits to determine in which direction they are headed, and it helps if they have a general idea of where the freeway starts in relation to their location. * Exits at the junction of two freeways may not be numbered. Don't look for a number on the Pico Blvd. ramp between the I-110 and I-10, or the Wardlow Road ramp between the I-710 and the 405. Sources: Caltrans, http://www.lincolnhighwayassoc.org , , http://www.national66.com , http://www.cahighways.org , Tahoe National Forest, Historic Photos and Maps of California Highways, ESRI. Graphics reporting by Cheryl Brownstein-Santiago, Paul Duginski and Ross Toro Los Angeles Times LHA members report: Joyce Ausberger writes: The LHA museum in Missouri Valley was to be added on to the Iowa Welcome Center-Museum many years ago. We helped Tim write the ISTEA grant for it. They were awarded over $300,000 but had to come up with a 30 percent match. They weren't sure they could do that and were worried that they would be bypassed by the 4 lane hwy 30. They have since been assured they won't move the road by their place. (There is a small possibility they will have another lane added below this one lane some day) Anyway, the director, Kathy Dirks, at our State meeting yesterday announced things were looking good again for this project. J. R. Manning writes: I was wondering if you know anything about this brochure "Drive the Lincoln System of Highways including US 30, US 91 US 40" and it was published by the Norman Udevitz Advertising Agency, Cheyenne, Wyoming in 1957. It unfolds to 8 panels, it is printed on a buff color heavy stock, probably 80 pound offset. The primary color is a seafoam green with black text. There are B&W photos on the brochure, including a log Pony Express station in Gothenburg, NE, a ski lift in Reno, the arch in Reno, Fremont street in Las Vegas, Sioux dancers in tribal dress in Cheyenne, and the bluffs from Green River, Wyoming. The map stretches across six panels and shows the LH from Aurora to San Francisco, with connecting highways. (It shows US 30 going all the way to Portland and US 91 going from SLC to Los Angeles. The map is illustrated with little caricatures of travelers, cowboys, kids, corn, etc. I find it interesting that as late as 1957, this was still called "The Lincoln System" ....... [ Editor's note - this was apparently a US highway tourist association in the '50s. I have a small sticker for this showing a US outline map with the routes. A similar folder was on ebay this week - http://xrl.us/fs8j ] J. R. continues..... I just got back from DeWitt Iowa, where the Iowa chapter met last Saturday. We took a bus tour, thanks to Jeff and Annette LaFollete, of the Calamus pony truss bridge and the original 1913 LH berm through the woods near the Wapsipicon river crossing. It was a great day...we even got to see a house (unexpectedly) in Calamus that was a canopy gas station in the LH days. One of seven tourist cabins is still in the back yard, the parquet floor that was the floor of the cafe is still there (it's a living room today) and the lift is still in the garage floor. Bob Ausberger even got the guy to let us into his basement to see the original air compressor. It's a big ol' tank with a huge GE motor driving a big one cylinder compressor. It's much quieter than the modern compressors I've used. It's right across the highway from Elmer Kettleson's home and LH concrete marker. Ebay Auctions: A postcard of the Leno Dinner House in Reno went for $30.99 http://xrl.us/fs8n A real photo postcard of the O. L. D. (Omaha-Lincoln- Denver Highway, now U. S. 6) Filling Station in Sutton, NE went for $52.17: http://xrl.us/fs8q An ex-library copy of Effie Gladding's Across The Continent by The Lincoln Highway wet for $130.38: http://xrl.us/fs8s A rare real photo postcard of postcard photographer/ publisher Burton Frasher's car and wife out west in the winter went for $130.27: http://xrl.us/fs8t A real photo postcard of the Silver Fork Inn on US 50 in Lake Tahoe went for $29: http://xrl.us/fs8w A pot metal and celluloid 1907 AAA Auto Tour Entrant Badge went for $510: http://xrl.us/fs8x A black and white printed postcard of the Lincoln Highway in Hellam, PA went for $34.33: http://xrl.us/fs82 A black and white printed postcard of the Linwood Grove Restaurant on the LH in New Brunswick, NJ went for $53.85: http://xrl.us/fs84 A radiator badge from the Iowa Good Roads Assoc. went for $32.99: http://xrl.us/fs85 A Blair Bridge Lincoln Highway advertising thermometer failed to meet it's reserve after bidding stopped at $306.99 http://xrl.us/fs86 A brochure of Rt. 66's Whitt's Court in Tulsa, OK went for $49.00: http://xrl.us/fs87 A 1910 real photo postcard featuring a great Jetter's Beer sign in Omaha went for $130.39: http://xrl.us/fs89 A black and white printed postcard of the LH Seedling Mile in Kearney, NE went for $79.99: http://xrl.us/fs9a A 1956 black and white printed postcard of the bus stop, snack bar and lounge in Bucyrus, OH went for $36.56: http://xrl.us/fs9b Vol. 1 No. 1 of the 1921 Theodore Roosevelt Inter- National Highway Magazine went for $64.88: http://xrl.us/fs9e See you in Upper Sandusky, OH next week-end, and in Plymouth, IN the following weekend. 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Guest Alex Burr Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Try a cross-country trip, say from Maine to Ohio with TWO sisters in the car - both older. Jeeeezzzze Louise. Hudsonly, Alex B --- John Sullivan <xploreusa@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dave and all, are you ready for a good laugh? > > I, too, remember those days of having my sister as > a back seat companion on early cross-country > roadtrips. > > Do you think our parents could have used the > "Portable Automobile Partition" back then? This > thing is too funny. > http://www.bpmlegal.com/w6260903.html > > I love the dejected look of the probable > "instigator" child (that would have been me!) on the > right, after having been supremely thwarted by the > device. There's also a weird truth to the attorney's > comment at the end, "Now, can it come in an opaque > version, so he can't look at me?" > > > Ah, those were the days, > > John > > > D Gardner <dgardner1@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Jim and all... > > When I was a kid, my folks would toss my sis and me > into the back of > their Ford Country-Squire station wagon... > > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > John M. Sullivan > Raleigh, North Carolina, USA, Earth > > "He rode the fast lane on the road to nowhere." > -- Tagline for the film, Five Easy Pieces > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone > Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R. Droz Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 US highway shield images: http://www.kendrick.org/shields-up/ http://www.kurumi.com/ -- ___________________________________________________________ Happy Motoring! _._._._.____~__ Robert V. Droz ( us98@earthlink.net ) [____________][___ U.S. Highways : From US 1 to (US 830) [________/____[_|__ http://www.us-highways.com/ ()() ()() () Route Logs - Standard Oil - Highway Makeover - Pics - Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Very sad. . . I will forever remember the NJ-FL trip in the back seat of Dad's 63 Olds. . . if the car exists there are probably still Cheerios hidden inside. . . . Oldsmobile through the years http://www.usatoday.com/gallery/olds/frame.htm The Beetle through the years - http://www.usatoday.com/money/gallery/beetle/frame.htm Gallery Index http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/_photo-gallery-index.htm More car buff stuff on my site here - http://www.experiencenascar.com/chris --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote: > In a few years, there will be a new "oldest American automobile company. > Oldsmobile, who currently holds that title, produced its last vehicle today. > In addition to building the first American "production" car, it was > Oldsmobile that supplied the name for what many consider the first rock & > roll song - "Rocket 88". > > A sad day indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest laurelrk66@aol.com Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 In a message dated 5/30/2004 8:08:19 AM Central Daylight Time, denny@dennygibson.com writes: > http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus So glad you enjoyed your Route 6 adventure, Denny. You had the added attraction of seeing how some of those little towns were celebrating the Memorial Day weekend. Reading your journal sure made me wish I'd been there! Laurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILEYOTTER@AOL.COM Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I am really glad you're enjoying the ride and am happy that our recommendations are working out.. Keep us informed on the rest of the trip and I am really enjoying your journal and pics of it.. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Thanks to some great advice, I spent Saturday enjoying the sites along US 6 in western Pennsylnania. Friday & Saturday up at: http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Due to some great advice, I spent Saturday viewing the sites of US 6 in western Pennsylvania. Saturday & Sunday up at: http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus Thanks to some great advice, I spent Saturday enjoying the sites along US 6 in western Pennsylnania. Friday & Saturday up at: http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hey Denny - great trip. Enjoyed reading your travelogue. I got to get out that way on one of my trips for sure. Hudsonly, Alex B --- Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to some great advice, I spent Saturday > enjoying the sites along US 6 > in western Pennsylnania. Friday & Saturday up at: > > http://www.dennygibson.com/rt6plus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roaddog_rt66 Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 My kind of traveling. One of my favorite roads is US-41 which passes fairly close by my place in McHenry County, Illinois. I hope to take it in its entirety some day from Lake Superior to Miami, Florida. I did not know it was part of the Dixie. I'll be looking forward to reading your postings. Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reynolds" <roustabout@...> wrote: > > After reading Pat and Jennifer Bremer's latest web page updates, > Susan and I were inspired to try our luck at following the West > Mainline of the Dixie Highway from Chattanooga to Atlanta. In the > process, we followed the approximate route of Sherman's Atlanta > Campaign, and also the Great Locomotive Chase--The latter in reverse: > First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz, > without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us- > highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our > trip. And another to Mr. Bradley Putnam of Tunnel Hill, GA who was > my tour guide through the W & A Railroad tunnel, and gave me some > neat links to the Tunnel Hill Area. > > Once again, my pictures are at > http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob (Dixie Highway-- West > folder) > > We began our trip at the corner of Main and Market in downtown > Chattanooga, where the Dixie Highway West (hereafter refered to as > DHW) met the Tennessee Connector. Heading east on Main (US 41- 76), > we experienced the urban blight so prevalent in cities these days:( > > At the corner of Central, we found some bad news. The old Pure > Oil station has been abandoned. It wouldn't take a lot to get it > back up to par, but somebody has to care first:( <Old Gas Station 01, > 02> Back when I was a kid, there was a triangular shaped foot long > hot dog stand in the traffic island. It's long gone, but the hot > dogs can still be bought at the new location on Central. <Main and > Central, Chattanooga> > > Farther along, we passed the site of East Side Junior High, > where I slogged through the 7th and 8th grades:) The school is long > gone, so this 1962 snapshot will have to do <East Side Junior High>. > > One place I used to walk by every day on my way to East Side was > Mosteller's Garage and Wrecking Service. The wrecked car on the roof > makes for a graphic and rather grisly landmark <Mosteller's Garage>. > > At Dodds Avenue, 41-76 heads right, then turns left on Ringgold > Road to pass through Missionary Ridge through the Bachman Tubes. We > chose to go straight, then right on Old Ringgold Road, crossing the > ridge instead. At the top, we made a short side trip north along > Crest Road. This road runs pretty much the length of Missionary > Ridge and has many good views of Chattanooga, as well as Civil War > Monuments. What I love about this road is there are quite a few > stretches that look pretty much the same as they did back in the > 50's. The road still has its original cement paving and guard > rails. <Missionary Ridge 01> > > We pulled into the Bragg Reservation, named for Confederate > General Braxton Bragg, who got the worse end of the stick at the > Battle of Missionary Ridge. This stretch of Crest Road has been > bypassed as the road now drops into the cut made for I-24 back in the > 60's. <Missionary Ridge 02> > > The most impressive thing here is the Illinois Monument > <Missionary Ridge 03-05>. I remember being able to see it from my > back yard when I was a kid. Long before my time there was an > observation tower here. I remember my grandmother telling me about > how my Uncle Wilbur climbed the tower at night back in 1910 with a > telescope to get a good look at Halley's Comet. > > Back to Old Ringgold Road and down to the town of East Ridge. > One note, there is no such ridge as East Ridge. When folks started > moving to the suburbs back in the 50's, they generally talked of > moving "east of the ridge", and the term stuck:) I took pictures of > a few good signs here. <East Ridge 01, 03>. At the corner of > Ringgold and Green's Lake Rd., there used to be a motel. Only the > office building remains <East Ridge 02>. The units all looked like > this, with the stone walls with scalloped tops. > > On into Georgia! It had been years since I drove this road and > I was happy to see the the changes over the years weren't *too* > radical. I guess most of the newer construction is around the I- 75 > interchanges:) Our next stop was Ringgold. Like most of the towns > in this area, Ringgold's economy was tied in with the Western and > Atlantic Railroad. So I wound up taking a number of depot pictures:) > <Ringgold Train Station, Ringgold> There was a fairly good looking > old gas station on the main drag, part of which was being used as a > sub shop with a clever name:) <Old Gas Station 03, 04> > > We took a side trip north on GA 151 to connect with the Great > Locomotive Chase ( http://ngeorgia.com/history/raiders.html ) and > the famous locomotive The "General" ( > http://ngeorgia.com/people/thegeneral.html ). We found the spot > where the chase ended when Andrews' Raiders abandoned the General > which had run out of wood <The General 01>. > > Returning to 41-76, we passed through Ringgold Gap in Taylor's > Ridge. We stopped at a pulloff, commemorating the battle of Ringgold > Gap. There was a map of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign there, showing > how he followed the railroad south <Map of the Atlanta Campaign>. I > guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether > you consider Sherman to have been a great military tactician, or an > arsonist:) > > Below Ringgold we found a sliver of old Dixie Highway. You hang > a right on Bandy road, then a left on old Dixie Highway. It's only a > couple of blocks long <Old Dixie Highway 01>. > > Next stop, Tunnel Hill. The W&A Railroad tunnel through > Chetoogeta Mountain was one of the first in the south, being > completed in 1850 <Tunnel Hill 01>. The General and its pursuers > passed though here on the way to Ringgold. > > This was where I met Mr. Bradley Putnam, the guide who took me > through the tunnel and told me lots of interesting history about the > area <Tunnel Hill 03>. The State of Georgia deeded the tunnel and > surrounding lands to the city of Tunnel Hill for an historic site. > The tunnel was used for 78 years until the trains got so big they > were getting stuck:) The present railroad tunnel was built just > north of the original in 1928. > > The inside of the tunnel <Tunnel Hill 02> has been lighted and > the tracks replaced with asphalt pavement. Much of the tunnel is > native rock, but some places, especially the ceiling are lined with > stone and bricks. > > Here are a couple of web sites Mr. Putman sent me. > > www.northga.net/whitfield/tunnel.html > > http://www.tunnelhillheritagecenter.com/ > > Enjoy! > > After leaving tunnel hill, we took the Old Chattanooga Road down > to Rocky Face. This road is well maintained and goes through some > nice residential areas <Old Dixie Highway 02>. > > Our last stop of the day was Dalton. The last time I was there > I got royally lost, as the new bypass was a total surprise to me. We > had better luck this time, thanks to DeLorme:) The best photo ops > were right downtown, a bit off the old highway. A particular > favorite of mine is this old movie theater, now being used as a > church <Dalton 01>. > > Like so many southern towns, Dalton has a statue to a local > Confederate hero downtown. I was approaching the statue from behind > when I saw this plaque on the ground <Dalton 02>. "Hmmmmm", I > thought, "could this be the General Electric I've heard about all my > life?" Nope:) It was General Joseph Johnson who commanded the > Confederate forces in Dalton <Dalton 03>. > > We also found at least one of the Dalton depots <Dalton 04>. > One of my coworkers says there's another one, in better shape which > has a restaurant. We'll look for that one next time. > > Since we only had the one day to road trip, we decided to stop > here and return another weekend. We got on I-75 and headed home. > > > To be continued... > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roaddog_rt66 Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 In an article in the April 27th Iowa State Daily, Shannon Sanders, discussed a proposed 15 day roadtrip in which she and friends will visit many interesting sites. This is the student newspaper of Iowa Sate University, located right on the old Lincoln Highway. I really like to see younger people getting interested in non- interstate trips, where the destination is not the only thing, but, rather, the journey is just as important. She went into a discussion as to how to prepare for such a trip, then gave her trip intinerary. She is going to the states of Nebraska, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri. Intended stops in Nebraska will be at Ted and Wally's at Omaha's Old Market, the world's largest porch swing at Hebron, the home of Kool Aid in Hasting's, and Nebraska's only lighthouse at Minatare Lake. She'll also be visiting the "Shining" hotel in Estes Park, Co., the Four Corners and Mesa Verde National Park, the Taos Pueblo, Wonderland in Amarillo, Tx., the Oklahoma City Memorial, and a final stop in Kansas City, before returning home. Sounds like a great trip to me. Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lulupic66@aol.com Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi All, I found this article in the Chicago Sun Times Thursday, I know it's late but thought the info would be ineresting. Pendleton, Ind A 50 mile long yard sale is expected to draw crowds of bargain hunters to a stretch of Indiana 38 this weekend. The sale, in it's third year, runs between the central Indiana cities of Noblesville and New Castle. ' You never know what you ae going to find at the sale," said Jerry Burmeister, one of the sale's organizers, 'Everybody is searching for that bargain-- and they are out there." In the Madison County community of Pendleton, town officials rent booths along sidewalks and use the money to pay for downtown improvements. Homeowners along the route are being encouraged to host their own outdoor rummage sales. "We're hoping it gets bigger and better every year," Burmeister said. The yard sale will run from 8:am to 6:pm Friday and Saturday and from 1:pm tto 5:pm Sunday. m The sale is modeled after a similar event billed as the "World's Longest yard Sale." which extends 450 miles from Covington, Ky to Gadsden, Ala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote: > Over the weekend I followed this group's moderators on a mini-caravan that > targeted Historic 66 but had a little US-40 on the front end and a little > US-52 on the back. Some of what I saw is posted at > http://www.dennygibson.com/ill052005 Excellent reporting! True, the ride on 52 isn't the most inspiring, but there are a few notable photo opps I'd like to take one of these days. There's what appears to be a little jail cell in the town park of either Iriquois or Donovan (can't think which), and that railroad trestle that crosses 52 at an angle north of Sheldon. Kankakee has the old railroad bridge crossing the Kankakee River as well. But hey, I'll still pay homage to an old US highway whether there's a sight to see or not. Boring roads need lovin' too. :-) Pat B. Speedway, IN http://roadtripmemories.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reynolds" <roustabout@...> wrote: > First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz, > without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us- > highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our > trip. Great report, Bob! I too found the Dixie Highway page via RVD's website last year. I discovered the DH-W alignment is 2 blocks south of me. RVD should be commended for the work he's put into his entire us- highways.com web site. No other site comes close to it for information on federal highways and auto trails of the past. Job well done! Pat B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jennifer Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Denny, I thoroughly enjoyed your trip reports! I wish I had a laptop so I could get the updates done so fast too. It takes me some time even after I get home, with so many overdue household projects and such. So, seeing your trip reports was fun! Glad you made the trip! Jennifer --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote: > Over the weekend I followed this group's moderators on a mini- caravan that > targeted Historic 66 but had a little US-40 on the front end and a little > US-52 on the back. Some of what I saw is posted at > http://www.dennygibson.com/ill052005 > > Now I'm going to take advantage of this opening to give some background on > DennyGibson.com. Trip reports make up the bulk of the site with a page for > each day of multi-day trips. Some trips get additional background > information, some don't. The goal is to post each day's report at the end of > the day so that it is sort of real-time with one day resolution. In > practice, technical difficulties (computers ARE involved, you know) and > schedule conflicts (e.g., sleeping) sometimes keep that from happening but > that remains the ideal. After the trip ends, the reports just sit there in > cyber space waiting for any interested (or unlucky) surfers. An index of > completed trips is available at > http://www.dennygibson.com/triplist.php > > For a few early trips, I used large chunks of my Outlook address book to > send announcements to people and groups who I felt had at least a slight > chance of being interested. I don't do that any more. I do post something > about a trip to groups that I'm fairly confident have some interest. A Route > 66 trip will get at least a completion message on Route 66 groups and a > Corvette centric outing will get the same on some 'Vette related groups. > Since this group is about all American Roads, or at least the interesting > ones, I'll usually mention a trip here at some point. I do offer a couple of > "opt in" mailing lists. One is just for trip announcements. Maybe just a > completion; Maybe a start and end. It's low volume but will keep you from > missing something no matter how boring. The other list has bursts of > activity when a trip is in progress. It includes any announcements and also > sends a message when each individual day is posted. List signups are at > http://www.dennygibson.com/listmailer/?p=subscribe&id=1 > or they can be reached from a link on the site's home page. If you do sign > up, be sure to respond to the confirmation message. Opting out is just as > easy. > > Except for some Google ads and affiliate links to my web host & domain > registrar, there is nothing commercial going on here and even calling those > commercial is a stretch. It's only a hobby so feel welcome to visit or > ignore as you see fit. > > Thanks for the bandwidth and hope to see everyone on a road somewhere, > Denny Gibson > Cincinnati, OH > www.DennyGibson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Over the weekend, I met up with my family at a really neat winery about 15 miles outside Ste. Genevieve, MO (app 65 miles South of St. Louis) It is called the Cave Winery and Vinyards...it gives you an opportunity to enjoy some good Missouri wine and enjoy a nice picnic in a Cave (not a tiny hole in the wall; the entry made me think of pics of folks cruising into Meramec Caverns in the day when you parked there)! It also overlooks some beautiful foliage which would be great during the fall. You can find out more about the place at www.cavevinyard.com. For folks trekking 66 through St. Louis it is a nice diversion; there are a few other wineries close by, and Ste. Genevieve is a great place to make a base camp...highly recommended! Tsingtao, Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Good stuff there, Bob. I drove US-41 from Atlanta to Chattanooga about a year and a half ago and know I went through Tunnel Hill & Ringgold but I was unaware of the General connection and entirely missed things like that cool tunnel. But I'll get it next time;-) And I'd like to join you & Pat in noting the great work Robert Droz has done. I believe that, except for Google & eBay, I probably visit that site more than any other. What an astounding amount of information. --Denny -----Original Message----- From: Bob Reynolds [mailto:roustabout@starband.net] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:14 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Dixie Dreamin'--The Great Locomotive Chase--Day 1 After reading Pat and Jennifer Bremer's latest web page updates, Susan and I were inspired to try our luck at following the West Mainline of the Dixie Highway from Chattanooga to Atlanta. In the process, we followed the approximate route of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign, and also the Great Locomotive Chase--The latter in reverse:) First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz, without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us- highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our trip. And another to Mr. Bradley Putnam of Tunnel Hill, GA who was my tour guide through the W & A Railroad tunnel, and gave me some neat links to the Tunnel Hill Area. Once again, my pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob (Dixie Highway--West folder) We began our trip at the corner of Main and Market in downtown Chattanooga, where the Dixie Highway West (hereafter refered to as DHW) met the Tennessee Connector. Heading east on Main (US 41-76), we experienced the urban blight so prevalent in cities these days:( At the corner of Central, we found some bad news. The old Pure Oil station has been abandoned. It wouldn't take a lot to get it back up to par, but somebody has to care first:( <Old Gas Station 01, 02> Back when I was a kid, there was a triangular shaped foot long hot dog stand in the traffic island. It's long gone, but the hot dogs can still be bought at the new location on Central. <Main and Central, Chattanooga> Farther along, we passed the site of East Side Junior High, where I slogged through the 7th and 8th grades:) The school is long gone, so this 1962 snapshot will have to do <East Side Junior High>. One place I used to walk by every day on my way to East Side was Mosteller's Garage and Wrecking Service. The wrecked car on the roof makes for a graphic and rather grisly landmark <Mosteller's Garage>. At Dodds Avenue, 41-76 heads right, then turns left on Ringgold Road to pass through Missionary Ridge through the Bachman Tubes. We chose to go straight, then right on Old Ringgold Road, crossing the ridge instead. At the top, we made a short side trip north along Crest Road. This road runs pretty much the length of Missionary Ridge and has many good views of Chattanooga, as well as Civil War Monuments. What I love about this road is there are quite a few stretches that look pretty much the same as they did back in the 50's. The road still has its original cement paving and guard rails. <Missionary Ridge 01> We pulled into the Bragg Reservation, named for Confederate General Braxton Bragg, who got the worse end of the stick at the Battle of Missionary Ridge. This stretch of Crest Road has been bypassed as the road now drops into the cut made for I-24 back in the 60's. <Missionary Ridge 02> The most impressive thing here is the Illinois Monument <Missionary Ridge 03-05>. I remember being able to see it from my back yard when I was a kid. Long before my time there was an observation tower here. I remember my grandmother telling me about how my Uncle Wilbur climbed the tower at night back in 1910 with a telescope to get a good look at Halley's Comet. Back to Old Ringgold Road and down to the town of East Ridge. One note, there is no such ridge as East Ridge. When folks started moving to the suburbs back in the 50's, they generally talked of moving "east of the ridge", and the term stuck:) I took pictures of a few good signs here. <East Ridge 01, 03>. At the corner of Ringgold and Green's Lake Rd., there used to be a motel. Only the office building remains <East Ridge 02>. The units all looked like this, with the stone walls with scalloped tops. On into Georgia! It had been years since I drove this road and I was happy to see the the changes over the years weren't *too* radical. I guess most of the newer construction is around the I-75 interchanges:) Our next stop was Ringgold. Like most of the towns in this area, Ringgold's economy was tied in with the Western and Atlantic Railroad. So I wound up taking a number of depot pictures:) <Ringgold Train Station, Ringgold> There was a fairly good looking old gas station on the main drag, part of which was being used as a sub shop with a clever name:) <Old Gas Station 03, 04> We took a side trip north on GA 151 to connect with the Great Locomotive Chase ( http://ngeorgia.com/history/raiders.html ) and the famous locomotive The "General" ( http://ngeorgia.com/people/thegeneral.html ). We found the spot where the chase ended when Andrews' Raiders abandoned the General which had run out of wood <The General 01>. Returning to 41-76, we passed through Ringgold Gap in Taylor's Ridge. We stopped at a pulloff, commemorating the battle of Ringgold Gap. There was a map of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign there, showing how he followed the railroad south <Map of the Atlanta Campaign>. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether you consider Sherman to have been a great military tactician, or an arsonist:) Below Ringgold we found a sliver of old Dixie Highway. You hang a right on Bandy road, then a left on old Dixie Highway. It's only a couple of blocks long <Old Dixie Highway 01>. Next stop, Tunnel Hill. The W&A Railroad tunnel through Chetoogeta Mountain was one of the first in the south, being completed in 1850 <Tunnel Hill 01>. The General and its pursuers passed though here on the way to Ringgold. This was where I met Mr. Bradley Putnam, the guide who took me through the tunnel and told me lots of interesting history about the area <Tunnel Hill 03>. The State of Georgia deeded the tunnel and surrounding lands to the city of Tunnel Hill for an historic site. The tunnel was used for 78 years until the trains got so big they were getting stuck:) The present railroad tunnel was built just north of the original in 1928. The inside of the tunnel <Tunnel Hill 02> has been lighted and the tracks replaced with asphalt pavement. Much of the tunnel is native rock, but some places, especially the ceiling are lined with stone and bricks. Here are a couple of web sites Mr. Putman sent me. www.northga.net/whitfield/tunnel.html http://www.tunnelhillheritagecenter.com/ Enjoy! After leaving tunnel hill, we took the Old Chattanooga Road down to Rocky Face. This road is well maintained and goes through some nice residential areas <Old Dixie Highway 02>. Our last stop of the day was Dalton. The last time I was there I got royally lost, as the new bypass was a total surprise to me. We had better luck this time, thanks to DeLorme:) The best photo ops were right downtown, a bit off the old highway. A particular favorite of mine is this old movie theater, now being used as a church <Dalton 01>. Like so many southern towns, Dalton has a statue to a local Confederate hero downtown. I was approaching the statue from behind when I saw this plaque on the ground <Dalton 02>. "Hmmmmm", I thought, "could this be the General Electric I've heard about all my life?" Nope:) It was General Joseph Johnson who commanded the Confederate forces in Dalton <Dalton 03>. We also found at least one of the Dalton depots <Dalton 04>. One of my coworkers says there's another one, in better shape which has a restaurant. We'll look for that one next time. Since we only had the one day to road trip, we decided to stop here and return another weekend. We got on I-75 and headed home. To be continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 My apologies...I just tried to pull up www.cavevinyards.com and got one of those "this message cannot be displayed" deals...if you do a search under "Ste. Genevieve Wineries" you will get a map that has all the wineries around Ste. Genevieve including the Cave Winery/vinyards...if you have questions let me know...tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: Rudyard Welborn To: ; AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ; ushwys@yahoogroups.com Cc: Briney Welborn Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: [route66] The Cave Winery (slightly OT) Over the weekend, I met up with my family at a really neat winery about 15 miles outside Ste. Genevieve, MO (app 65 miles South of St. Louis) It is called the Cave Winery and Vinyards...it gives you an opportunity to enjoy some good Missouri wine and enjoy a nice picnic in a Cave (not a tiny hole in the wall; the entry made me think of pics of folks cruising into Meramec Caverns in the day when you parked there)! It also overlooks some beautiful foliage which would be great during the fall. You can find out more about the place at www.cavevinyard.com. For folks trekking 66 through St. Louis it is a nice diversion; there are a few other wineries close by, and Ste. Genevieve is a great place to make a base camp...highly recommended! Tsingtao, Kip Get your kicks on the Route 66 Mailing List! You can find our homepage at- http://www.fullcirclepros.com/66/index.htm Questions about this list - "route66-owner@yahoogroups.com" To Subscribe - send an eMail to "route66-subscribe@yahoogroups.com" TO UNSUBSCRIBE - send an eMail to "route66-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/route66/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: route66-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Mateyko Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 We ran Texas 281 from Wichita Falls to Mineral Wells. Saw the Baker Hotel which by all means should be blown to pieces. Then to what use to be Camp Walters of which parts if a minimin security Texas prison and the rest of which is industrial cheap stuff and the rest ought to be fire bombed. On to an entirably terrible Easter Sunday meal in Clairette, TX. Missed going onto Hico, turned westbound on some road and the dining establishment is about a mile on the left. Worst food being served with the gravy on the bottom side of a chicken fried steak, cold french fried, dirty floor and poor service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 The correct URL is: www.cavevineyards.com Kip forgot the e after vin ypsi-slim On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:46:55 -0500 "Rudyard Welborn" <r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net> writes: > My apologies...I just tried to pull up www.cavevinyards.com and got > one of those "this message cannot be displayed" deals...if you do a > search under "Ste. Genevieve Wineries" you will get a map that has > all the wineries around Ste. Genevieve including the Cave > Winery/vinyards...if you have questions let me know...tsingtao, Kip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rudyard Welborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dorothy Thompson Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Hi everyone...I haven't posted for awhile, but I'll be back on the road again in September and I was wondering if you could help me with something. I plan on flying to Las Vegas, then taking a rental car to the California border which is on route 15. I plan on staying on that route, hopefully, all the way to Burbank (plans aren't concrete yet), but if I decide not to go that far, is there anything on route 15 other than vast stretches of road? I've looked at it on the map and there are a few towns along the way, but in those few towns, are there any souvenir shops or other things to do? Thanks so much for any help you can give me. ;o) Incidentally, vast stretches of road sounds awfully good being as I'll get to see my homeland again, but I was just curious as to what kind of shops or things to do they might have along the way. Dorothy http://www.overthehillchick.blogspot.com The Soul Mate Queen FREE E-BOOK "101 Facts You Never Knew About Soul Mates" http://www.soulmatequeen.com http://www.overthehillchick.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Each county in Missouri paid MoDot $80 per brown and white historic 66 sign. These were installed at strategic locations as suggested by the Route 66 Association of Missouri. The initial sign purchases were in perpetuity and MoDot agreed to replace any of the original signs that turn up missing at no additional cost. Replacements, however, are only made periodically and as a result some signs have been "down" longer than they were "up." Don't know how this works in the other seven states, nor do I have any idea about replacement cost for interstate or U.S. highway signs. I am confident, though, that theft and possession of any MoDot-installed highway sign is illegal, with one type of sign carrying no more penalty than another -- with the possible exception of stop signs and similar warning signs....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Fred M. Cain" <fredmcain@b...> wrote: > I'm not sure that the brown and white "Historic" signs that > Missouri, Illinois and a few other states have installed are truly > considered to be full-fledged traffic control devices. They might > be commorative in nature only. > > I have also wonder about the laws that deal with someone defacing or > stealing a legal traffic control sign (Like a U.S. 71 shield, for > example) and the historic brown and white markers. Would there be a > difference? Does anybody know? > > Also, would there be a difference between the replacement rates when > someone steals a sign like a U.S. 71 shield or an I-44 shield or > even a speed limit sign, for that matter, and the historic markers? > > Again, I don't know. Does anyone else know? > > -Fred > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...> > wrote: > > Missouri '66 wouldn't be nearly as confusing if we could only > *keep* > > the historic signs in place. Once stolen (and that's happening at > an > > alarming rate) it takes MoDot years to replace them, if ever. > They > > say that they do a "sweep" every three or four years to determine > > where signs need to be replaced but I can't believe that's a > priority > > for them. For example, there are missing signs on 100, Manchester > > Road in Des Peres (westbound lanes), County AH east crossover > > (eastbound lane - stolen several years ago), County AH crossover > > (westbound), Stanton crossover (both east and westbound), and, I'm > > certain, more than I can currently recall. The only signs > remaining > > at these sites are the directional arrows originally installed > with > > the brown and white signs. We noticed recently, though, that some > > enterprising souls placed two separate Historic Route 66 stickers > on > > the arrow just east of St. Clair. I suppose that some fool will > > steal that too. Have we reached the point where the shield just > > needs to painted on the road surface like we've seen in KS? > > Sigh....Bliss > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn" > > <r.Welborn@w...> wrote: > > > There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route" > 66 > > signs all > > > up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to > > have a book > > > (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps are > > > problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to > > show you > > > where all the twists and turns are, much less the old alignments > > and patches > > > of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done > to > > mark the > > > route should be the model for all the states...know that is not > > cheap and > > > that the states along the route have other priorities but that's > my > > > dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or > restatement > > of Route > > > 66. Tsingtao, Kip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@y...> > > > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM > > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66 > > > > > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" > <thelandrunner@y...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly > Historic > > > > Route > > > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of > awareness > > > > does > > > > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route > as > > an > > > > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the > latter > > > > would > > > > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the > > > > roadbed > > > > > to current highway standards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the > > unequivocal > > > > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. > The > > Web > > > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may > say > > > > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > > > > > > > Ron Warnick > > > > Tulsa, OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877- > 285- > > 5434 > > > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, > WA > > > 98046-3168 > > > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- > > owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via e-mail, send it > > > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Guest BringBackRoute66.com Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Group Members, A few people have tried to hurt me by claiming that I really don't know anything because "I haven't even been on 66 in decades by my own admission". At least I think that's what was said. At first I wasn't even going to respond to this because I saw it as an unkind, hurting slam rather than a rational arguement. But as the rumor spread, I changed my mind. Here it goes. Actually, I don't believe I ever really said anything exactly like that. When asked by someone off-list when I was on 66 last I think I said something like "It's been a while; longer than I'd like. I have financial and personal obligations whereby I can't just get up and go right now". In a different paragraph, I did relate that I was fortunate enough to have traveled with my family across the country on 66 in 1965. We went from East St. Louis to Flagstaff on our way from New York to Tucson. It was truly a trip that changed my life. Somehow these two different trains of thought got twisted around and translated into the false fact that I haven't seen Route 66 since 1965. Not so. I don't pretend to know any more than the next guy or some of the younger folks in our group that are an important part of this great movement. I'm just another guy, that's all. But I do feel that my experiences on 66 as a kid give me a somewhat different perspective than those who didn't see it. There was something truly magic about leaving a newly-completed, God forsaken section of Interstate Highway behind and watching the super-slab funnel back down into two-lane and seeing a wonderful, beautiful sight: A U.S. 66 shield with a reassuring "WEST" banner on top. It was like, "Oh thank God. We survived that hell and are back on the right road again now". I can't explain this. You kinda had to be there. What if I could just drop everything like I've been told, get out and drive the Route tomorrow and be gone for two weeks? Would that change my perspective? Maybe. But I doubt it because from all the info and input I've received, I feel like I already have a pretty good idea what's out there. But here's an even greater question: What if the experience did *NOT* change my viewpoint but only tended to solidfy it? Would that then make any difference to those of you who hate me and have a vendetta against me? Once again, maybe, but I seriously doubt it. The future of Route 66 is doomed if we can't find a way to all get along and work together. I'm not the only one who has said that. Every single one of you has something to offer. Every single one of you is very, very important. Please, let's keep that in mind. Sincerely, Fred M. Cain, U.S. Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative http://www.bringbackroute66.com ***************************************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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