Guest Denny Gibson Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 In a few years, there will be a new "oldest American automobile company. Oldsmobile, who currently holds that title, produced its last vehicle today. In addition to building the first American "production" car, it was Oldsmobile that supplied the name for what many consider the first rock & roll song - "Rocket 88". A sad day indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Hi all....We'll be hitting the road Thursday on a double secret covert operation in the Sooner State. Our computer access will be limited until our return Sunday evening. If you have any questions or comments regarding the American Road Yahoo Group, we'll get to it upon our return, unless computer access can be found along the road. Happy Trails! Pat Bremer American Road Yahoo Group Moderator [:-B] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Yesterday, I didn't have much to put on the site. But today ... whew. OK, here are the stories on Route66News.org: -- Long-closed Funks Grove general store set to reopen. -- Countdown poster for "Cars." -- Development of the Route 66 Bike Trail may be delayed. -- Photos of the storm-damaged 66 Liquors sign in Pacific, Mo. -- Our experience at the Trout Fishing in America show at the nearly-restored Coleman Theatre Beautiful in Miami, Okla. Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Gassmann Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 This message was posted on the "Roadside Fans" group by Catsup Bottle Buddy Glenn Wells. I thought I would pass it along to the entire Catsup bottle Group and others... FYI: Rick filmed the entire day with us during last year's Summerfest. It was a blast! By cooincidence, the national air date is July 11... the same day as Summerfest this year. So if PBS in St. Louis is showing it that evening, we'll need to drag Elvis off stage and roll out a big screen TV!!!! Mike ***************** I just saw an ad on the Pittsburgh PBS channel, for Rick Sebak's latest effort, a national show about programmatic buildings. The ad flashed the giant ketchup bottle, the shoe house in York, Pa, among others. It will be aired July 11 here. PBS has a page about this program at http://www.pbs.org/previews/unusual_buildings/ Not identified on the page: The woman appearing in the photo with Long Island's Big Duck is "Babs, the Duck Lady," whom I met on my visit in Summer 2003. Also worth noting: Bill Griffith, the cartoonist whose "Zippy the Pinhead" celebrates roadside oddities like virtually nothing else, will appear on the program. The "national" air date of this program is Sunday, July 11, but local PBS affiliates tinker with the schedule much more than other networks so it may not air on that date where you live. Definitely don't be shy about e-mailing your PBS station expressing your interest in the show and asking when it will air. (I still have not-fond memories of when my local PBS station kept me waiting several weeks beyond the national air date for "A Hot Dog Program.") Rick Sebak and Bill Griffith in the same program! What could be better? Glenn Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Over the weekend I followed this group's moderators on a mini-caravan that targeted Historic 66 but had a little US-40 on the front end and a little US-52 on the back. Some of what I saw is posted at http://www.dennygibson.com/ill052005 Now I'm going to take advantage of this opening to give some background on DennyGibson.com. Trip reports make up the bulk of the site with a page for each day of multi-day trips. Some trips get additional background information, some don't. The goal is to post each day's report at the end of the day so that it is sort of real-time with one day resolution. In practice, technical difficulties (computers ARE involved, you know) and schedule conflicts (e.g., sleeping) sometimes keep that from happening but that remains the ideal. After the trip ends, the reports just sit there in cyber space waiting for any interested (or unlucky) surfers. An index of completed trips is available at http://www.dennygibson.com/triplist.php For a few early trips, I used large chunks of my Outlook address book to send announcements to people and groups who I felt had at least a slight chance of being interested. I don't do that any more. I do post something about a trip to groups that I'm fairly confident have some interest. A Route 66 trip will get at least a completion message on Route 66 groups and a Corvette centric outing will get the same on some 'Vette related groups. Since this group is about all American Roads, or at least the interesting ones, I'll usually mention a trip here at some point. I do offer a couple of "opt in" mailing lists. One is just for trip announcements. Maybe just a completion; Maybe a start and end. It's low volume but will keep you from missing something no matter how boring. The other list has bursts of activity when a trip is in progress. It includes any announcements and also sends a message when each individual day is posted. List signups are at http://www.dennygibson.com/listmailer/?p=subscribe&id=1 or they can be reached from a link on the site's home page. If you do sign up, be sure to respond to the confirmation message. Opting out is just as easy. Except for some Google ads and affiliate links to my web host & domain registrar, there is nothing commercial going on here and even calling those commercial is a stretch. It's only a hobby so feel welcome to visit or ignore as you see fit. Thanks for the bandwidth and hope to see everyone on a road somewhere, Denny Gibson Cincinnati, OH www.DennyGibson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcba32 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 I've just recently become acquainted with a watercolor artist who, in his spare time, travels the highways of the U.S. looking for road side neon signs and bits of fading Americana to preserve in his paintings. If you're in the Pasadena area there is an artist reception at Tirage on June 5, 2004 from 5-8. Details at www.tirageart.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Reynolds Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 After reading Pat and Jennifer Bremer's latest web page updates, Susan and I were inspired to try our luck at following the West Mainline of the Dixie Highway from Chattanooga to Atlanta. In the process, we followed the approximate route of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign, and also the Great Locomotive Chase--The latter in reverse:) First of all, a big tip of the BabyBoomer bucket hat to R. Droz, without whose Dixie Highway web page ( http://www.us- highways.com/dixiehwy.htm ) I wouldn't have had a framework for our trip. And another to Mr. Bradley Putnam of Tunnel Hill, GA who was my tour guide through the W & A Railroad tunnel, and gave me some neat links to the Tunnel Hill Area. Once again, my pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob (Dixie Highway--West folder) We began our trip at the corner of Main and Market in downtown Chattanooga, where the Dixie Highway West (hereafter refered to as DHW) met the Tennessee Connector. Heading east on Main (US 41-76), we experienced the urban blight so prevalent in cities these days:( At the corner of Central, we found some bad news. The old Pure Oil station has been abandoned. It wouldn't take a lot to get it back up to par, but somebody has to care first:( <Old Gas Station 01, 02> Back when I was a kid, there was a triangular shaped foot long hot dog stand in the traffic island. It's long gone, but the hot dogs can still be bought at the new location on Central. <Main and Central, Chattanooga> Farther along, we passed the site of East Side Junior High, where I slogged through the 7th and 8th grades:) The school is long gone, so this 1962 snapshot will have to do <East Side Junior High>. One place I used to walk by every day on my way to East Side was Mosteller's Garage and Wrecking Service. The wrecked car on the roof makes for a graphic and rather grisly landmark <Mosteller's Garage>. At Dodds Avenue, 41-76 heads right, then turns left on Ringgold Road to pass through Missionary Ridge through the Bachman Tubes. We chose to go straight, then right on Old Ringgold Road, crossing the ridge instead. At the top, we made a short side trip north along Crest Road. This road runs pretty much the length of Missionary Ridge and has many good views of Chattanooga, as well as Civil War Monuments. What I love about this road is there are quite a few stretches that look pretty much the same as they did back in the 50's. The road still has its original cement paving and guard rails. <Missionary Ridge 01> We pulled into the Bragg Reservation, named for Confederate General Braxton Bragg, who got the worse end of the stick at the Battle of Missionary Ridge. This stretch of Crest Road has been bypassed as the road now drops into the cut made for I-24 back in the 60's. <Missionary Ridge 02> The most impressive thing here is the Illinois Monument <Missionary Ridge 03-05>. I remember being able to see it from my back yard when I was a kid. Long before my time there was an observation tower here. I remember my grandmother telling me about how my Uncle Wilbur climbed the tower at night back in 1910 with a telescope to get a good look at Halley's Comet. Back to Old Ringgold Road and down to the town of East Ridge. One note, there is no such ridge as East Ridge. When folks started moving to the suburbs back in the 50's, they generally talked of moving "east of the ridge", and the term stuck:) I took pictures of a few good signs here. <East Ridge 01, 03>. At the corner of Ringgold and Green's Lake Rd., there used to be a motel. Only the office building remains <East Ridge 02>. The units all looked like this, with the stone walls with scalloped tops. On into Georgia! It had been years since I drove this road and I was happy to see the the changes over the years weren't *too* radical. I guess most of the newer construction is around the I-75 interchanges:) Our next stop was Ringgold. Like most of the towns in this area, Ringgold's economy was tied in with the Western and Atlantic Railroad. So I wound up taking a number of depot pictures:) <Ringgold Train Station, Ringgold> There was a fairly good looking old gas station on the main drag, part of which was being used as a sub shop with a clever name:) <Old Gas Station 03, 04> We took a side trip north on GA 151 to connect with the Great Locomotive Chase ( http://ngeorgia.com/history/raiders.html ) and the famous locomotive The "General" ( http://ngeorgia.com/people/thegeneral.html ). We found the spot where the chase ended when Andrews' Raiders abandoned the General which had run out of wood <The General 01>. Returning to 41-76, we passed through Ringgold Gap in Taylor's Ridge. We stopped at a pulloff, commemorating the battle of Ringgold Gap. There was a map of Sherman's Atlanta Campaign there, showing how he followed the railroad south <Map of the Atlanta Campaign>. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether you consider Sherman to have been a great military tactician, or an arsonist:) Below Ringgold we found a sliver of old Dixie Highway. You hang a right on Bandy road, then a left on old Dixie Highway. It's only a couple of blocks long <Old Dixie Highway 01>. Next stop, Tunnel Hill. The W&A Railroad tunnel through Chetoogeta Mountain was one of the first in the south, being completed in 1850 <Tunnel Hill 01>. The General and its pursuers passed though here on the way to Ringgold. This was where I met Mr. Bradley Putnam, the guide who took me through the tunnel and told me lots of interesting history about the area <Tunnel Hill 03>. The State of Georgia deeded the tunnel and surrounding lands to the city of Tunnel Hill for an historic site. The tunnel was used for 78 years until the trains got so big they were getting stuck:) The present railroad tunnel was built just north of the original in 1928. The inside of the tunnel <Tunnel Hill 02> has been lighted and the tracks replaced with asphalt pavement. Much of the tunnel is native rock, but some places, especially the ceiling are lined with stone and bricks. Here are a couple of web sites Mr. Putman sent me. www.northga.net/whitfield/tunnel.html http://www.tunnelhillheritagecenter.com/ Enjoy! After leaving tunnel hill, we took the Old Chattanooga Road down to Rocky Face. This road is well maintained and goes through some nice residential areas <Old Dixie Highway 02>. Our last stop of the day was Dalton. The last time I was there I got royally lost, as the new bypass was a total surprise to me. We had better luck this time, thanks to DeLorme:) The best photo ops were right downtown, a bit off the old highway. A particular favorite of mine is this old movie theater, now being used as a church <Dalton 01>. Like so many southern towns, Dalton has a statue to a local Confederate hero downtown. I was approaching the statue from behind when I saw this plaque on the ground <Dalton 02>. "Hmmmmm", I thought, "could this be the General Electric I've heard about all my life?" Nope:) It was General Joseph Johnson who commanded the Confederate forces in Dalton <Dalton 03>. We also found at least one of the Dalton depots <Dalton 04>. One of my coworkers says there's another one, in better shape which has a restaurant. We'll look for that one next time. Since we only had the one day to road trip, we decided to stop here and return another weekend. We got on I-75 and headed home. To be continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich Rheingold Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 I seem to be having problems posting to my yahoo group us route 20 has anyone else had this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Here are a few impressions of the Oklahoma premiere of "Cars," along with a few photos I shot at the event. You'll find a couple of Route 66 heroes among the images. http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/06/05...emiere-of-cars/ Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> wrote: > Jim, > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic Route > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of awareness does > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route as an > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the latter would > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the roadbed > to current highway standards. > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the unequivocal goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. The Web site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say one thing, but his site and actions say another. Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Cars : A Detailed Look Movie Cars Posted By: Michael . . After taking moviegoers magically into the realm of toys, bugs, monsters, fish, and superheroes, the masterful storytellers and technical wizards at Pixar Animation Studios . . . http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_8900.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route" 66 signs all up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to have a book (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps are problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to show you where all the twists and turns are, much less the old alignments and patches of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done to mark the route should be the model for all the states...know that is not cheap and that the states along the route have other priorities but that's my dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or restatement of Route 66. Tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@yahoo.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66 > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> > wrote: > > Jim, > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic > Route > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of awareness > does > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route as an > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the latter > would > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the > roadbed > > to current highway standards. > > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the unequivocal > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. The Web > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > Ron Warnick > Tulsa, OK > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 For those of you who might have missed it, the Route 66 Association of Missouri will be holding their 15th annual Motor Tour September 10-12...the information is set forth below. Hope to see you! Thanks, Kip Welborn, cochair, Motor Tour Committee. September 10-12: The Route 66 Association of Missouri 15th Annual Motor Tour ("Trippin' to the Trolley"). Tour Commences in downtown St. Louis and ends in Carterville, MO (just east of Joplin/Webb City). Tour Registration starts at 4:00 p.m. Friday (9/10) at the Hampton Inn-Downtown (St. Louis). Sat (9/11): Poker Run to Bennett Spring State Park North of Lebanon; dinner and lodging at Bennett Spring State Park that night. Sun (9/12): Tour the Exotic Animal Paradise west of Marshfield; the Motor Tour ends with a picnic lunch in downtown Carterville, MO. An excellent chance to see the "Show Me State" with your fellow 66ers. Don't wait; register today! For more information contact Kip Welborn (314-853-7385; r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net) or Jane Dippel (314-843-7132; vestaon66@cs.com). Or visit our Website at www.Missouri66.org to download the registration form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 The St. Louis Post has done its part to connect the movie Cars with Route 66 and the towns in between: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertain.../story/5DBCD590 86A7CB0C8625718000324E36?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2C%22Route%22+AND+%2266%22 If you have trouble opening it up, go to www.STLtoday.com and in the site search box type in Route 66. Tsingtao Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Missouri '66 wouldn't be nearly as confusing if we could only *keep* the historic signs in place. Once stolen (and that's happening at an alarming rate) it takes MoDot years to replace them, if ever. They say that they do a "sweep" every three or four years to determine where signs need to be replaced but I can't believe that's a priority for them. For example, there are missing signs on 100, Manchester Road in Des Peres (westbound lanes), County AH east crossover (eastbound lane - stolen several years ago), County AH crossover (westbound), Stanton crossover (both east and westbound), and, I'm certain, more than I can currently recall. The only signs remaining at these sites are the directional arrows originally installed with the brown and white signs. We noticed recently, though, that some enterprising souls placed two separate Historic Route 66 stickers on the arrow just east of St. Clair. I suppose that some fool will steal that too. Have we reached the point where the shield just needs to painted on the road surface like we've seen in KS? Sigh....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn" <r.Welborn@w...> wrote: > There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route" 66 signs all > up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to have a book > (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps are > problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to show you > where all the twists and turns are, much less the old alignments and patches > of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done to mark the > route should be the model for all the states...know that is not cheap and > that the states along the route have other priorities but that's my > dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or restatement of Route > 66. Tsingtao, Kip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@y...> > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66 > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> > > wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic > > Route > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of awareness > > does > > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route as an > > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the latter > > would > > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the > > roadbed > > > to current highway standards. > > > > > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the unequivocal > > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. The Web > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say > > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > > > Ron Warnick > > Tulsa, OK > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285- 5434 > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > 98046-3168 > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via e-mail, send it > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fred M. Cain Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 I'm not sure that the brown and white "Historic" signs that Missouri, Illinois and a few other states have installed are truly considered to be full-fledged traffic control devices. They might be commorative in nature only. I have also wonder about the laws that deal with someone defacing or stealing a legal traffic control sign (Like a U.S. 71 shield, for example) and the historic brown and white markers. Would there be a difference? Does anybody know? Also, would there be a difference between the replacement rates when someone steals a sign like a U.S. 71 shield or an I-44 shield or even a speed limit sign, for that matter, and the historic markers? Again, I don't know. Does anyone else know? -Fred --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...> wrote: > Missouri '66 wouldn't be nearly as confusing if we could only *keep* > the historic signs in place. Once stolen (and that's happening at an > alarming rate) it takes MoDot years to replace them, if ever. They > say that they do a "sweep" every three or four years to determine > where signs need to be replaced but I can't believe that's a priority > for them. For example, there are missing signs on 100, Manchester > Road in Des Peres (westbound lanes), County AH east crossover > (eastbound lane - stolen several years ago), County AH crossover > (westbound), Stanton crossover (both east and westbound), and, I'm > certain, more than I can currently recall. The only signs remaining > at these sites are the directional arrows originally installed with > the brown and white signs. We noticed recently, though, that some > enterprising souls placed two separate Historic Route 66 stickers on > the arrow just east of St. Clair. I suppose that some fool will > steal that too. Have we reached the point where the shield just > needs to painted on the road surface like we've seen in KS? > Sigh....Bliss > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn" > <r.Welborn@w...> wrote: > > There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route" 66 > signs all > > up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to > have a book > > (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps are > > problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to > show you > > where all the twists and turns are, much less the old alignments > and patches > > of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done to > mark the > > route should be the model for all the states...know that is not > cheap and > > that the states along the route have other priorities but that's my > > dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or restatement > of Route > > 66. Tsingtao, Kip > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@y...> > > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66 > > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> > > > wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic > > > Route > > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of awareness > > > does > > > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route as > an > > > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the latter > > > would > > > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the > > > roadbed > > > > to current highway standards. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the > unequivocal > > > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. The > Web > > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say > > > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > > > > > Ron Warnick > > > Tulsa, OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877- 285- > 5434 > > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > > 98046-3168 > > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- > owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via e-mail, send it > > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rt66roadologist@comcast.net Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Fred aslong as it says 66 it will be stolen.Fer like some have said it time you hit the road and take a trip down(and get some kicks) the highway and see it as it is today befor you go any farther.Redeantion will NEVER happen.If it did the old road bed would be destoded in favor of a boring 2 or 4lane highway where then did this get us.Jeff Meyer -------------- Original message -------------- > I'm not sure that the brown and white "Historic" signs that > Missouri, Illinois and a few other states have installed are truly > considered to be full-fledged traffic control devices. They might > be commorative in nature only. > > I have also wonder about the laws that deal with someone defacing or > stealing a legal traffic control sign (Like a U.S. 71 shield, for > example) and the historic brown and white markers. Would there be a > difference? Does anybody know? > > Also, would there be a difference between the replacement rates when > someone steals a sign like a U.S. 71 shield or an I-44 shield or > even a speed limit sign, for that matter, and the historic markers? > > Again, I don't know. Does anyone else know? > > -Fred > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" > wrote: > > Missouri '66 wouldn't be nearly as confusing if we could only > *keep* > > the historic signs in place. Once stolen (and that's happening at > an > > alarming rate) it takes MoDot years to replace them, if ever. > They > > say that they do a "sweep" every three or four years to determine > > where signs need to be replaced but I can't believe that's a > priority > > for them. For example, there are missing signs on 100, Manchester > > Road in Des Peres (westbound lanes), County AH east crossover > > (eastbound lane - stolen several years ago), County AH crossover > > (westbound), Stanton crossover (both east and westbound), and, I'm > > certain, more than I can currently recall. The only signs > remaining > > at these sites are the directional arrows originally installed > with > > the brown and white signs. We noticed recently, though, that some > > enterprising souls placed two separate Historic Route 66 stickers > on > > the arrow just east of St. Clair. I suppose that some fool will > > steal that too. Have we reached the point where the shield just > > needs to painted on the road surface like we've seen in KS? > > Sigh....Bliss > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn" > > wrote: > > > There is no doubt that there needs to be more "historic route" > 66 > > signs all > > > up and down the route; in parts of Missouri and OK, you need to > > have a book > > > (Jim Ross for OK, Skip Curtis for MO) to find your way. Maps are > > > problematic because most I have seen are not detailed enough to > > show you > > > where all the twists and turns are, much less the old alignments > > and patches > > > of old roadbed you find along the way...What Illinois has done > to > > mark the > > > route should be the model for all the states...know that is not > > cheap and > > > that the states along the route have other priorities but that's > my > > > dream...I don't support any kind of recertification or > restatement > > of Route > > > 66. Tsingtao, Kip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "rwarn17588" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:41 AM > > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Reinventing Route 66 > > > > > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly > Historic > > > > Route > > > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of > awareness > > > > does > > > > > not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route > as > > an > > > > > official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the > latter > > > > would > > > > > certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the > > > > roadbed > > > > > to current highway standards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Landrunner, except that Fred's Web site states the > > unequivocal > > > > goal of reinstating U.S. 66, which includes the interstates. > The > > Web > > > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may > say > > > > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > > > > > > > Ron Warnick > > > > Tulsa, OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877- > 285- > > 5434 > > > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, > WA > > > 98046-3168 > > > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- > > owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via e-mail, send it > > > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Guest Fred M. Cain Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@y...> wrote: > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <thelandrunner@y...> > wrote: > > Jim, > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic > Route > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. > Yes, Landrunner, except... The Web > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > Ron Warnick > Tulsa, OK I want to see the designation "recommissioned" NOT reinstate the old roadway as a primary "federal" highway. It would be secondary in nature like U.S. 61 in southeastern Missouri. If what we really want to do is to limit traffic to preverve older pieces of pavement for all time, that's a worthy goal. If we want to direct MORE traffic onto the old road in order to improve the business chances of older businesses like the Boots Motel, then that is also a very worthy goal. Trouble is, I can see these two goals as being in conflict with each other, and quite frankly, I'm not sure how to address that. It seems to me that some kind of a compramise will need to be reached. I cannot see restaurants and motels along with roadside tourist places and the chambers of commerce that represent them as backing a preservation intiative that doesn't have a good piece of the pie for them. -Fred M. Cain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rt66roadologist@comcast.net Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Fred the problem is the interstate.Most pepole will still take it to get to one place or the other and WE would be left with a road that is updateed with the same amount of pepole on it that LOOK LIKE THE THE REST OF THE ROADS NO CARITOR.Jeff Meyer -------------- Original message -------------- > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" > wrote: > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" > > wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > > > Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic > > Route > > > 66, uniformly for the entire route. > > Yes, Landrunner, except... The Web > > site is called Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative. Fred may say > > one thing, but his site and actions say another. > > Ron Warnick > > Tulsa, OK > > I want to see the designation "recommissioned" NOT reinstate the old > roadway as a primary "federal" highway. It would be secondary in > nature like U.S. 61 in southeastern Missouri. > > If what we really want to do is to limit traffic to preverve older > pieces of pavement for all time, that's a worthy goal. If we want > to direct MORE traffic onto the old road in order to improve the > business chances of older businesses like the Boots Motel, then that > is also a very worthy goal. Trouble is, I can see these two goals > as being in conflict with each other, and quite frankly, I'm not > sure how to address that. It seems to me that some kind of a > compramise will need to be reached. > > I cannot see restaurants and motels along with roadside tourist > places and the chambers of commerce that represent them as backing a > preservation intiative that doesn't have a good piece of the pie for > them. > > -Fred M. Cain > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR > ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jennifer Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 > If what we really want to do is to limit traffic to preverve older > pieces of pavement for all time, that's a worthy goal. If we want > to direct MORE traffic onto the old road in order to improve the > business chances of older businesses like the Boots Motel, then that > is also a very worthy goal. Trouble is, I can see these two goals > as being in conflict with each other, and quite frankly, I'm not > sure how to address that. It seems to me that some kind of a > compramise will need to be reached. > > I cannot see restaurants and motels along with roadside tourist > places and the chambers of commerce that represent them as backing a > preservation intiative that doesn't have a good piece of the pie for > them. I think you explained yourself pretty well this time Fred. I see where you're heading with this, and I also see what everyone wants to avoid too. You're right, Fred. Saving the businesses by increasing traffic, *could* in turn, lose the roadbed itself. And what is more important? Personally, I think they both are important, and any plan that could do *both* would be the best of both worlds. If such a plan is possible...I think everyone else is right too, to keep the road preserved as much as possible, but increase traffic with Historic or Scenic byway designation. I think the positive things Fred is trying to accomplish are: - Increase awareness for Route 66 for the general public and hopefully encourage people to travel on Route 66 (rather than the interstate) and thus, support the businesses along the Route. Clearly, the businesses on Route 66 would have a tough time surviving solely from a small group of road warriors like us (of course, there's a lot more folks than just us traveling the Route!). It would be better if more people didn't think of road travel as travel on the monotonous interstate with periodic stops at the generic "travel plaza" and an overnight stay at the Ramada Inn at the interchange. - Accomplish increased awareness by Historic or Scenic designation, increased and consistent signage, directional turns. On that note, I see where you (Fred) want to have Route 66 designated as 66 again. Call it re-commissioned, whatever. But....as others have mentioned, if you get the federal government involved as a commissioned highway, you could be subjecting the road (itself) to be straightened, widened, whatever. We don't want that...just increased traffic so that the businesses will benefit. Of course, Ken's right, too...through the course of time, the road will need to be repaired anyway. But why hasten that process by getting the Federal government involved? I think that all the suggestions here have been good ones: get historic 66 on more maps where possible, increase signage...it's already on some parts of Mapquest and A LOT in Microsoft Streets and Trips. I'm curious though, (and this is a random thought for discussion, not an actual idea for anyone to do): what steps could be made to promote a journey on Route 66 and other U.S. Highways from a marketing standpoint - highway travel as a vacation destination in itself? I think American Road itself is an entire campaign to do just that, which is helpful. I know there's associations, American Road and Route 66 magazine, websites, etc...but they would have to be sought out by people who are interested in finding out more, and all that stuff preaches to the choir - we already love traveling old roads, so we seek out this information. I'm wondering how to reach out TO the "general public" on a national level about the pleasure of two lane road travel? Anytime anyone has a tourist destination or a product to sell, they advertise – push their product. Unfortunately, I know marketing firms and ad campaigns are expensive, but it would be an interesting "theory" (repeat, I said "theory") if all the associations (and/or Route 66 businesses all along the Route) could band together, and pool resources and hire a marketing firm to advertise Route 66 in magazines, television, radio like any other tourist destination or product. I know, of course, that you need some serious cash to do this and with the associations nonprofit, and businesses needing every dollar they can to survivie, that this isn't possible. But as I said, it would be an interesting idea to turn on the radio and hear an ad about Route 66, like you do with all the other tourist destinations. So, I'm next thinking about the tourism departments of the 8 states? I'm always hearing Michigan commercials, or seeing them on TV! States are always doing tourism commercials and they have the money to do it. I'll bet if the states did big ad campaigns and featured Route 66, that would help businesses. I'm sure Historic and scenic designation would help that too. The Illinois state travel guide had a section on Route 66 before. Anyway, this post was just some random thoughts I had. I think there's some good ideas kicking around, but between all the message boards that this tread is circulating on, it's all talk, no action. It's interesting reading, but if anything would ever get done, a group would have to be formed to create a specific plan of action, assemble a list of contacts, asiign tasks and start implementing some of these ideas (something like David Knudson's action team). Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Worley Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 I'm jealous!! But based on your website Larry I'm sure you will be bring back lots of spectacular photos.. On your way there, make reservations at the El Rancho in Gallup, NM -- you'll love it! Bob Worley Larry Kinsey <alf@mia.net> wrote: There are only 18 days remaining before Charlene and I depart on our great adventure to the Havasupai Reservation in the Grand Canyon. I am including our preliminary plans for the trip. We will be departing Kansas City after lunch on Friday, July 16th and taking US 56 to Great Bend, Kansas. On Saturday morning we will continue on to Dodge City where we will take US 283 South to catch US 54. We will continue on to Tucumari, NM. I have made reservations at the Blue Swallow. On Sunday we will continue west on Route 66 to Gallop, NM and will look for somewhere to stop for the night. On Monday we will tour the Painted Desert and the Petrified Forest and continue west to Peach Springs, AZ. We will be staying at the Haulapai Lodge that evening. Tuesday morning we will continue to Haulapai Hilltop where the Decent Team will proceed to hike to the Campgrounds approximately 10 miles into the Canyon. We will be camping for 4 wonderful nights under the stars and enjoying hikes in the area. On Saturday, July 24th we will depart the area by helicopter and when our gear arrives at the top, we will be driving to Winslow, AZ to spend a the night at the La Posada Hotel. We will depart then on Sunday morning to spend the next 2 days driving to get back to Kansas City. Larry Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mike shadman Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 DOT's donot care about 66 that much. It has to have a purpose, a real purpose for them to sink money in it. You can't save all of the old road bed or every little historic buliding. Be real, it cost to much money. You have to have a regular steady of commerce to help save a lot of 66. Preservation, Tours, Events,ect. are not going to save 66 alone. You have to have an open mind. 66 has alot of good history, but it does have a lot of bad history too! I would like to see old 66 come back as US Highway on some new and old alignments. To save 66 for future everbody has to comprisemise! Ken <thelandrunner@yahoo.com> wrote: Jim, Fred is supporting the signage of US66 and/or possibly Historic Route 66, uniformly for the entire route. This promotion of awareness does not necessarily need to be a campaign to reinstate the route as an official US highway. Of course as you've mentioned, the latter would certainly create destruction by the process of upgrading the roadbed to current highway standards. This process is slowly happening anyway, with no prejudice to any of our old historic two lane highways. Our very own new standard autos, trucks and increased amount of traffic alone will dictate that outcome. I agree with you about having as much roadbed as possible be listed on the National Historic Register, but the roadbed will still continue to age as time passes on, and those roadbeds will eventually need more repair... which just might lead back to the same beginning predicament of having the original road improved to todays standards. Just a thought. God Bless and Happy Trails. the landrunner <http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@e...> wrote: > Fred, > > While on the surface returning Route 66 to an official US highway might seem a worthy endeavor, it would bring destruction to the roadbed like we've only imagined in our worst nightmares. Though I am still confident this will never occur, if by some bureaucratic debacle it did, the first government mandate would be to bring every stretch of existing first generation paving up to standards, and I don't have to tell you what that means. > > Frankly, continuing with your crusade is potentially harmful to the future of the road. We have enough on our hands trying to keep transportation departments in check. The last thing we need are more battlefronts like US 281 Spur taking place from one end of the highway to the other. I don't want that and, frankly, I don't understand why you or anyone else would. > > Luckily, the complex mix of jurisdictions, federal highway policy, the present numbering scheme, the trend toward reducing the number of US highways in favor of Interstates and state highways (not a good thing, but that's another issue), and funding issues all but guarantee this will never happen. > > Sorry to be blunt, but you could do a lot more for Route 66 by redirecting your efforts toward getting as much surviving historic roadbed on the National Register as possible rather than following a path that can only lead to its destruction. I hope you will give this some thought. > > Jim R. > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fred M. Cain Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Thanks, Jennifer. I appreciate that. Why didn't I explain myself better before? I guess I'm just not all that articulate of a guy. I'm also not really all that smart nor do I claim to have all the answers for Route 66, but I still think there's at least a grain of truth in what I've been trying to say. For those who really believe that my ideas will only bring about their very worst fears, I can at least give them this consolation: There ain't NOTHIN' happenin' right away. And if a new U.S. Route designation is ever considered for 66, and this is VERY important, it will be absolutely critical that the state Route 66 Assoiciations sit down at the table with the DOT's and hammer out something that will be in the best interest of all concerned parties. No, you will never please everyone, but with compramise maybe they can try. If the DOT's just don't want to cooperate with the Associations - fine. We'll just take the cause directly to the citizens and let them turn up the heat. The DOT's certainly have to answer to somebody. At least I hope so. If some of my ideas do end up getting adapted and used, so much the better. If not, oh well. I can honestly say I tried. What more can I do? -Fred --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jabremer66@a...> wrote: > > If what we really want to do is to limit traffic to preverve older > > pieces of pavement for all time, that's a worthy goal. If we want > > to direct MORE traffic onto the old road in order to improve the > > business chances of older businesses like the Boots Motel, then > that > is also a very worthy goal. Trouble is, I can see these two > goals > as being in conflict with each other, and quite frankly, I'm > not > sure how to address that. It seems to me that some kind of a > > compramise will need to be reached. > > > > I cannot see restaurants and motels along with roadside tourist > > places and the chambers of commerce that represent them as backing > a > preservation intiative that doesn't have a good piece of the pie > for > > them. > > > I think you explained yourself pretty well this time Fred. I see > where you're heading with this, and I also see what everyone wants to > avoid too. You're right, Fred. Saving the businesses by increasing > traffic, *could* in turn, lose the roadbed itself. And what is more > important? Personally, I think they both are important, and any plan > that could do *both* would be the best of both worlds. If such a > plan is possible...I think everyone else is right too, to keep the > road preserved as much as possible, but increase traffic with > Historic or Scenic byway designation. > > I think the positive things Fred is trying to accomplish are: > > - Increase awareness for Route 66 for the general public and > hopefully encourage people to travel on Route 66 (rather than the > interstate) and thus, support the businesses along the Route. > Clearly, the businesses on Route 66 would have a tough time surviving > solely from a small group of road warriors like us (of course, > there's a lot more folks than just us traveling the Route!). It would > be better if more people didn't think of road travel as travel on the > monotonous interstate with periodic stops at the generic "travel > plaza" and an overnight stay at the Ramada Inn at the interchange. > - Accomplish increased awareness by Historic or Scenic > designation, increased and consistent signage, directional turns. > > On that note, I see where you (Fred) want to have Route 66 designated > as 66 again. Call it re-commissioned, whatever. But....as others > have mentioned, if you get the federal government involved as a > commissioned highway, you could be subjecting the road (itself) to be > straightened, widened, whatever. We don't want that...just increased > traffic so that the businesses will benefit. Of course, Ken's right, > too...through the course of time, the road will need to be repaired > anyway. But why hasten that process by getting the Federal > government involved? I think that all the suggestions here have been > good ones: get historic 66 on more maps where possible, increase > signage...it's already on some parts of Mapquest and A LOT in > Microsoft Streets and Trips. > > I'm curious though, (and this is a random thought for discussion, not > an actual idea for anyone to do): what steps could be made to promote > a journey on Route 66 and other U.S. Highways from a marketing > standpoint - highway travel as a vacation destination in itself? I > think American Road itself is an entire campaign to do just that, > which is helpful. I know there's associations, American Road and > Route 66 magazine, websites, etc...but they would have to be sought > out by people who are interested in finding out more, and all that > stuff preaches to the choir - we already love traveling old roads, so > we seek out this information. > > I'm wondering how to reach out TO the "general public" on a national > level about the pleasure of two lane road travel? Anytime anyone has > a tourist destination or a product to sell, they advertise – push > their product. Unfortunately, I know marketing firms and ad > campaigns are expensive, but it would be an interesting "theory" > (repeat, I said "theory") if all the associations (and/or Route 66 > businesses all along the Route) could band together, and pool > resources and hire a marketing firm to advertise Route 66 in > magazines, television, radio like any other tourist destination or > product. I know, of course, that you need some serious cash to do > this and with the associations nonprofit, and businesses needing > every dollar they can to survivie, that this isn't possible. But as > I said, it would be an interesting idea to turn on the radio and hear > an ad about Route 66, like you do with all the other tourist > destinations. > > So, I'm next thinking about the tourism departments of the 8 states? > I'm always hearing Michigan commercials, or seeing them on TV! States > are always doing tourism commercials and they have the money to do > it. I'll bet if the states did big ad campaigns and featured Route > 66, that would help businesses. I'm sure Historic and scenic > designation would help that too. The Illinois state travel guide had > a section on Route 66 before. > > Anyway, this post was just some random thoughts I had. I think > there's some good ideas kicking around, but between all the message > boards that this tread is circulating on, it's all talk, no action. > It's interesting reading, but if anything would ever get done, a > group would have to be formed to create a specific plan of action, > assemble a list of contacts, asiign tasks and start implementing some > of these ideas (something like David Knudson's action team). > > Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the AMERICAN_ROAD group: 1) I believe that every effort should be made to help ailing, historic businesses on old Route 66 by increasing leisure and recreational traffic on the old road even if aging and historic infrastructure needs have to be addressed. 2) I believe every effort should be made to hold traffic to current (2004) levels to preserve pavement and bridges even if it means that some motels and diners might have to go out of business. 3) I believe there should be less traffic on Route 66 to slow the deterioration process of historic pavements and bridges. I don't care about the businesses. 4) I don't care about either pavement or businesses, I just want to drive my car by myself and be left alone. o 1). Increase traffic to help businsesses o 2). Keep traffic levels the same even if businsses suffer o 3). Cut traffic to save of pavement and bridges o 4) Don't care either way To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROA...rveys?id=612818 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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