Guest Ken Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi Chris, You bet! One's own personal Yahoo photo section is the way to go, especially if you have many of photos on just one particular topic: <http://photos.yahoo.com/GrandCanyonAdventure> Then those additional photo albums can be titled and linked in our group links section with little or none space taken from the group. God Bless and Happy Trails. Ken P.S. Yahoo will allow you many photo albums for the years to come. Pick those ID names early. <http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <chris@e...> wrote: > Yup, I un-moderate a couple other groups. It's a good idea to > keep photos on the small size and delete the full size image as > you go. 30MB is not a lot of space but if you are careful, it can be. > Some of us have used our yahoo ID photos section for additional > storage and provided a link when space gets tight. Or one could > create a geocities "sister" website with their personal galleries. > > Been there done that. . . Chris > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" > <thelandrunner@y...> wrote: > > Greetings Jen and Alex, > > > > Yep, it looks as if only the album owner and the group > > moderator/owner can access the Full Size photo versions. May > I make a > > group suggestion?: The creators of the photo albums should > go ahead > > and delete the Full Size versions of ALL their photos, since they > > cannot be viewed by the group members anyways. That will > save our > > group some MB space within our photos section since those > unviewable > > Full Size photos still uses up our alotted MB space and goes > against > > our 30MB total space limit. This being a fairly new group still, > our > > used up MB space is already at 60% (18.27MB out of 30MB). > This is > > still an ongoing problem on the other E-Groups because the > limit is > > already maxed out. Some folks in this E-Group will soon not be > able > > to create their own photo album because it won't be very long > before > > others will have already used up all our MB space. Thought > that I'd > > mention this before we actually reach our MB limit. At that time, > it > > might just jam up our photos section, and no one will be able > to > > access it. Of course, this is only a group suggestion. Q;) > > > > God Bless and Happy Trails. > > > > Ken > > > > <http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm> > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jenniferrt66" > > <jabremer66@a...> wrote: > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Frank P. > Maloney" > > > <frank.maloney@v...> wrote: > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > > > Thanks Jennifer, but I think Ken is right. I cannot see a link > > on > > > my > > > > page or in the source HTML. Alex, if you want to make this > > > available on > > > > the WWW but don't have a site, I would be happy to "host" > your > > map > > > on my > > > > Route 66 / Area 51 site. Just email it to me. Thanks all. > > > > > > > > Frank. > > > > > > Hi Ken and Frank! > > > > > > I'm sorry about the confusion! Evidently, as the co-owner of > the > > > list, I have different permissions....the link is active for me > and > > I > > > can see the large file. > > > > > > Anyway, that's a great idea to host that file, Frank! > > > > > > Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Since I haven't seen this anywhere else, it appears I have a scoop. http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/03/02...ing-a-lincoln-h ighway-book/ Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208%25...813112,00.html# San Bernardino County Sun Amboy changes hands Preservation top priority By Jim Steinberg Business Editor Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - The founder of the Juan Pollo restaurant chain has purchased historic Amboy, once a familiar stop for travelers along Route 66. Albert Okura said he'll focus on preservation and, eventually, restoration. "I don't see us making money there,' he said. And there will never be a Juan Pollo restaurant there, he said, because his chain wasn't around in Amboy's heyday in the 1950s. One of the first tasks Okura faces is restoring water to the town. Later, he will renovate restrooms and reopen the gas station and its adjacent convenience mart. "It's going to be hot up there soon, and people are going to need something to drink,' Okura said, adding that he plans to sell gasoline for virtually what it costs to bring it in. "I don't want people to think I'm trying to gouge them and get angry,' Okura said. Bob Lundy, founder of the nonprofit San Bernardino County Tourism Development Council, also known as Route 66 Tourism, said, "I knew the one person in the world who could do Amboy right was clearly was Albert.' In late March, Lundy called Okura to let him know that Amboy's owner was desperate to unload the property quickly. "Amboy is the centerpiece of the East Mojave. That is where the Twentynine Palms cutoff intersects the old Route 66,' Lundy said. "International visitors are the ones most passionate about Route 66. They love to discover Amboy because they have heard so much about it.' "It's about time that town got back to work,' said Tom Beeghly, manager of the National Chloride plant, which has been in Amboy for 55 years. Beeghly said he and a handful of National Chloride employees welcome the new owner. And he said National Chloride will make water available to Okura from the company's reverse osmosis plant until the new owner develops his own water source. National Chloride produces liquid calcium chloride for industrial uses. Okura, whose San Bernardino-based chain has 30 locations, paid $425,000 cash for the 690 acres that includes four houses, 20 motel rooms and eight motel cottages. The transaction is in escrow and is expected to close in early May, said Okura and Bonnie Barnes, granddaughter of Amboy's owner, Bessie Burris, 89, now an artist in Twentynine Palms. Other buyers would have paid more, but the family selling the town liked Okura and his plans. "He really wanted the town for the town. That was part of the decision,' Barnes said, speaking on behalf of her grandmother. Another potential buyer, Barnes said, was "a very famous person in Palm Springs' who wanted to buy the property for substantially more than Okura, but also anticipated carving out part of the town for a walled personal estate. "I wanted, and grandmother wanted, what was best for the town,' she said. Okura, a longtime preserver of history, tried to buy Amboy in 2003. Earlier that year, the town then owned by celebrity photographer Timothy White and his business partner, Walt Wilson had been on the auction site eBay with a listed value of $1.9 million. Late in 2003, Okura's longtime friend Danny Castro, who runs Okura's Route 66 museum in San Bernardino, told his friend about Amboy being for sale again. "I told him he had to buy it,' Castro said. Said Okura: "At the time, I had never heard of Amboy.' But Okura liked what he heard about the nearly unoccupied town, located about halfway between Barstow and Needles. Burris foreclosed on the property early this year. She and her late husband, Buster Burris, owned and operated Amboy for many years. With Robert Dunfee of ERA Regency Realtors as an adviser, Okura began his pursuit of Amboy. Originally, Okura and Dunfee negotiated with representatives of White and Wilson to acquire the property for $1.2 million. Then Okura said he broke off the talks to deal with some financial concerns in his Juan Pollo business. At that time, he anticipated that he would make another run for Amboy in a few years. Then a few weeks ago, Lundy called, and Okura jumped into action to buy Amboy. "He showed that he was interested and earnestly caring,' Barnes said. The rationale for buying Amboy is part of Okura's plan to move his business into the High Desert. "My main priority is to start building good will, because I plan to start building stores in the desert.' Okura is opening a store in Victorville in perhaps a month or two, and one will open on the Victorville/Adelanto line perhaps next year. "I want to get to Barstow, Needles, Laughlin, Las Vegas and Baker,' Okura said. "So people (in that area) can associate Juan Pollo with something good.' "I see the High Desert as the next future growth area for the next 20 years. Young people will be moving out there because it will be unaffordable everywhere else,' he said. Eventually, Okura wants to restore Amboy's motel cottages and rooms, plus four houses in the town. He envisions a museum in the lobby of the motel with memorabilia from Amboy, some of Burris' paintings and information about the Mojave Desert. He also wants to reopen the town's diner. Roy's Cafe has been closed for a long time and it will have to be brought up to code, which will be an expensive undertaking, Okura said. When asked how she feels about selling Amboy after all these years, Burris said, "I don't know. How am I supposed to feel?' Okura said that Amboy will remain in his company's portfolio forever. In January 1984, Okura opened his first Juan Pollo restaurant in Ontario, and opened his second one in San Bernardino in January 1986. The company moved its headquarters from Ontario to San Bernardino in 1988. The company has four restaurants in San Bernardino and a total of 425 employees throughout the four-county Southern California region it serves. Last year, Juan Pollo's sales were nearly $32 million as the company sold 3.25 million chickens, Okura said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Emily posted a long entry on the Route 66 News site that you all probably will find interesting on several levels: http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/the-art-of-cars/ Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest okydokey89 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi All, We are making a trip to the Smokies in late May and am soliciting any ideas of sights to see on or around the Blue Ridge parkway in western N.C. Thanks in advance, Jabba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Michalek Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 It's been many years, but I remember the town of Spivey's Corners, which is the hollering capital of the world. They host a hollering contest every year and crown a world champion. --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "okydokey89" <okydokey@a...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > We are making a trip to the Smokies in late May and am soliciting any > ideas of sights to see on or around the Blue Ridge parkway in western > N.C. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jabba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Maloney Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi - For many years I traveled the BRP via motorcycle. I picked up the Skyline Drive in Front Royal VA, then transferred to the BRP about 110 miles south. Loved it. May is the best month. Weather is cool but a bit wet (only a problem if you are two wheels). Students are still in school so it is not crowded. There are pamphlets indicating the various points of interest: peaks to climb, places to eat/stay (be sure to stop at Mabry Mill), historical sights, etc. If you want, privately send me your snail-mail address and I'll find a copy and wing it off to you. Frank. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest egyptianzipper@aol.com Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Just don't make the mistake I made in 1974. I drove it end to end in three days. And I did nothing but drive. The speed limit is 45, and in some places that's too fast. A week or ten days would be more like it. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Michalek Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@...> wrote: > > Emily posted a long entry on the Route 66 News site that you all > probably will find interesting on several levels: > > http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/the-art-of-cars/ > > Ron Warnick > Tulsa, OK > www.route66news.org It did interest me on a few levels. I'm anxiously awaiting that movie, as both an animation freak and a Macintosh freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Our Route 66 town suffered a big loss today; Johnnie Johnson, bluesman extrordinare, a father of Rock N' Roll, he who was monikered in Chuck Berry's song "Johnnie B Good" , passed away this date at the age of 80. He died of "natural causes"; his music will live forever...RIP, amigo....Tsingtao, Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Reynolds Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "okydokey89" <okydokey@a...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > We are making a trip to the Smokies in late May and am soliciting any > ideas of sights to see on or around the Blue Ridge parkway in western > N.C. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jabba One brief side trip I would recommend is to head down US 276 from Wagon Wheel Gap toward Brevard, NC. Looking Glass Falls is a great place for a dip:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 A guy who certainly left his musical mark. "Oh my that little country boy could play". Rock on! > -----Original Message----- > From: [mailto:rudkip@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:56 PM > To: ; AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Johnnie Johnson RIP > > > > Our Route 66 town suffered a big loss today; Johnnie Johnson, > bluesman extrordinare, a father of Rock N' Roll, he who was > monikered in Chuck Berry's song "Johnnie B Good" , passed away > this date at the age of 80. He died of "natural causes"; his > music will live forever...RIP, amigo....Tsingtao, Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Info on the death and life of Johnnie Johnson http://www.stltoday.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sundayjohn66 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote: > Made it to the wigwams in Cave City in the rain on Thursday. Give Ivan my best! (He probably doesn't remember me, because it's been a long time since we stayed there, but I hope to remedy that one of these weekends if we can ever shake free to sneak down there.) Emily Priddy Belleville, IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 San Bernardino County Sun - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 A real cross-country journey Man using Route 66 for run across U.S. By Kelly Rayburn, Staff Writer A couple of years removed from graduating from Fordham University in New York in 2001, Jonathan Williams applied to law school. He didn't get in.Unsure what to do with his future, the 25-year-old Williams started thinking seriously about something that had been a dream of his since high school: running across the country. A year later, he is passing through San Bernardino County on what could be described without a bit of hyperbole as the journey of a lifetime.He is not running for any particular cause or charity, but rather, he said, to embrace the type of freedom and athleticism he saw demonstrated on the silver screen by one of America's favorite movie characters, Tom Hanks' Forrest Gump. He plans to jog almost all of historic Route 66 before cutting across southern Illinois eastward toward his final destination: Newport, R.I. It will take roughly five and a half months, Williams said, with some days set aside for rest and sightseeing. He'll live with only the supplies he keeps in a backpack he pushes in a stroller for jogging.After starting Sunday in Newport Beach, Williams planned to pass through Fontana, Rialto and San Bernardino on Wednesday. The Mojave Desert, followed by Arizona, New Mexico and Texas come next. After only three days, Williams' muscles were already burning.Unloading his backpack from a minivan driven by Lucie McMurtie , who along with Kevin Hansel, served as Williams' tour guide Tuesday evening, Williams said, "The legs are definitely feeling it.'"Well, you've got a long way to go,' McMurtie said.McMurtie and Hansel, both officers for the California Historic Route 66 Association, took Williams to the Wigwam Motel, at 2728 W. Foothill Blvd., Rialto, a Route 66 landmark since 1949. It put Williams up free of charge Tuesday evening.Hansel and McMurtie have watched other joggers and cyclists pass through historic Route 66, though usually coming from the other direction. They offered the kind of advice only those who know and have traveled a road well could provide. They told him where to get a haircut in Seligman, Ariz., and where to get a slice of pie in Adrian, Texas. To help Williams avoid ridicule from locals in Oklahoma, they warned him that the town of Miami in that state is pronounced differently than the one in Florida. It was Route 66's lore that intrigued Williams as he searched for a pathway across the country."People along Route 66 are so fanatic about it,' he said.For Williams, the road ahead is fraught with uncertainty. It doesn't take long to realize he is an optimist, but after eating dinner at Cucas Mexican Restaurant in Rialto, Williams seemed momentarily caught up in all the things that could go wrong. His worries range from hitting hard rain, to enduring an injury, to being attacked by a bear or snake.Hearing his concerns, Hansel interrupted him. "You know what the single word for this trip is?' he said, "Fun.'"That is what I needed to hear,' Williams said. Asked minutes later whether he'd rather be in law school or running across the country, Williams didn't hesitate: He'd rather be on the road. Check out his website at http://www.runwillyrun.com/ if any of you can help, please give him a call at: 860-559-7376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 May 12, 2005 04:00 AM US Eastern Timezone Auto Club: Join Geocaching Treasure Hunt on Route 66 LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 12, 2005--During a cross-country map research trip this month and in June, the Automobile Club of Southern California will be hiding 12 caches for travelers to find at a variety of locations along Route 66 as part of a geocaching treasure hunt. Geocaching, a combination of "geo" for geography and "caching" for hiding a cache, is a 5-year-old high-tech scavenger hunt using handheld Global Positioning System (GPS) units. The units are used to hide and track down "geocaches," containers filled with goodies and sometimes valuable objects. In the geocaching world, hunting and finding the location of the containers at scenic sites also count as prizes. Geocache coordinates that Auto Club travel writer Dave Brackney and Auto Club staff photographer Todd Masinter get using GPS units while updating the Auto Club's Route 66 map, will be posted on the Auto Club's dedicated interactive Web page, www.aaa-calif.com/travel/promo/campaign/route66.asp. The Web page will track the 22-day map expedition. The Auto Club geocaches on the "Mother Road" could include Hertz rental car coupons, logo T-shirts, travel guides, children's games and automotive items, according to Auto Club Editorial Director John Austerman. There will also be several virtual scenic site caches as well, he added. The Web page also describes the Auto Club's historic contribution to the creation of Route 66, biographies of Brackney and Masinter, historic images from the Auto Club's Corporate Archives and photos from a previous Auto Club Route 66 road trip. Brackney and Masinter will begin their expedition in Chicago on May 17 and finish at the Santa Monica Pier, the western end point of Route 66, on June 7. Once the trip gets under way, the Web page will be transformed into a daily journal with entries and photos sent in electronically from the road. Progress will be tracked on an online map of the road. Members also can send in their own Route 66 memories and questions to the pair at Route66@aaa-calif.com. Hertz and Ford Motor Co. are sponsors of the vehicles that Auto Club representatives will traverse Route 66 in: a 2005 Ford Mustang coupe and Mustang GT convertible. The GPS units are courtesy of GPS manufacturer, Garmin®. Before the federal government took it over in 1927 and renamed it U.S. Route 66, the original transcontinental byway was called the National Old Trails Road. In 1914, the Auto Club signposted the multi-state roadway. Using shovels and sledgehammers, the Auto Club signposting crew installed 4,000 directional signs between Los Angeles and Kansas City, Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 By the by, Denny - Please point me to a place on your web site where I can find directions and info on one of your trips down the Blue Ridge Parkway. We're thinking of two-laning from St. Louis to that part of the country this spring or summer and doing a portion of the Parkway. Thanks....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote: > > Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like the > libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I think > contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that a try. > Good idea. > > Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from getting to > Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my jealousy > quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss gathering. I > may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my JQ from > boiling over. > > --Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@...] > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question > > > Denny, > > I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent > cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the > Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public > Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they > might be able to shed some light on this question. > > Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@...> > To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ; > <mailto:route-40@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question > > > I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's > 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few > pages > I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983 > "sequel". > I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books. > Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the > early > '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many > of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same > scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in > 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of > Stewart's book. > > Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken > "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had > some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway > "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots" > were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the > two > books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart > picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified > rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale > version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at > the > far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road. > > Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book, > could > you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a > retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no > indication > of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that > would > explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one > Stewart was talking about in his own text. > > --Denny > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I've actually only been on the Parkway once and that was a fairly short stretch at the north end. That drive is here: http://www.dennygibson.com/newkid/day04/index.htm There's a link there to the NPS BRP site or you can get there directly: http://www.nps.gov/blri/ I have been in the area around the Parkway's other end near the Smokies but not on it. The closest evidence I have is the end of day 1 and start of day 2 at http://www.dennygibson.com/ga122004/day02/index.htm Doing the whole thing with Skyline Drive included would be a most excellent adventure. It's on my wish list. BTW, all the trips, with what I considered highlights, are listed at http://www.dennygibson.com/triplist.php and, of course, you can always get there through the "Done Deeds" section of the site's home page. You can browse the highlights or search the page with your browser. Or you can search the whole site from its home page. --Denny > -----Original Message----- > From: brownwho63 [mailto:brownwho63@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:59 AM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question > > By the by, Denny - Please point me to a place on your web > site where I can find directions and info on one of your > trips down the Blue Ridge Parkway. We're thinking of > two-laning from St. Louis to that part of the country this > spring or summer and doing a portion of the Parkway. Thanks....Bliss > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> > wrote: > > > > Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like > the > > libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I > think > > contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that > a try. > > Good idea. > > > > Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from > getting to > > Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my > jealousy > > quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss > gathering. I > > may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my > JQ from > > boiling over. > > > > --Denny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@...] > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question > > > > > > Denny, > > > > I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the > apparent > > cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in > the > > Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public > > Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales > they > > might be able to shed some light on this question. > > > > Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June? > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@...> > > To: > <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ; > > <mailto:route-40@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question > > > > > > I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George > Stewart's > > 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after > a few > > pages > > I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's > 1983 > > "sequel". > > I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of > these books. > > Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took > in the > > early > > '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book > with many > > of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views > of the same > > scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching > them in > > 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with > a copy of > > Stewart's book. > > > > Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it > was taken > > "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his > description, I had > > some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a > highway > > "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, > those "dots" > > were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. > Comparing the > > two > > books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the > 1983 Stewart > > picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily > identified > > rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the > Vale > > version and a road is front and center to its left. But that > rock is at > > the > > far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road. > > > > Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart > book, > > could > > you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My > copy is a > > retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no > > indication > > of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no > comment that > > would > > explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost > certainly the one > > Stewart was talking about in his own text. > > > > --Denny > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. > Clemens, MI 48046 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via > e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest plyon66 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Missouri Historic Route 66 Scenic Byway Statewide Dedication May 5 in Springfield * MoDOT, District 8, Springfield -- Classic cars, Route 66 memorabilia and a keynote speech by author and U.S. Route 66 historian Susan Kelly Kirkpatrick will highlight the dedication of Historic Route 66 as a Missouri Scenic Byway at 11 a.m. Friday, May 5, in Springfield. The Route 66 Association of Missouri, in partnership with the Missouri Department of Transportation, will celebrate with a ribbon- cutting in Springfield. In the mid-1920s, as part of a nationwide grassroots movement for better roads, community leaders based in Springfield were among those who worked to have the planned highway run southwest between St. Louis and Joplin, through Springfield, and receive the "66" route designation. The May 5 event will be on an old strip of Route 66 pavement near the current southeast corner of Glenstone Avenue and Kearney Street. The intersection is a few blocks south of Interstate 44, whose construction in the 1950s and 1960s replaced Route 66, also known as The Mother Road and the Main Street of America. The ceremony will include the unveiling of a new blue and white "Historic Route 66 Byway" sign. The signs will be placed to guide travelers from all over the world to the many short segments of old Route 66 that remain as part of other state or local roads. The existing brown signs will be replaced. Those who attend May 5 will be asked to sign a guest book and share their Route 66 memories to help commemorate the celebration. The Route 66 Association will add these reminiscences to its collection of photos and memorabilia, some of which will be on display at the dedication. Kirkpatrick, editor of "Ozarks Magazine" and a former newspaper reporter, is author of "Route 66, The Highway & Its People." Her book traces the birth and development of Route 66, built between Chicago, Ill., and Santa Monica, Calif. She describes the interaction between the 2,500-mile long highway and the business promoters, farmers, shopkeepers, motel owners, truckers, bandits, adventurers and regular families who traveled or made a living along the road. Missouri maintained 300 miles of Route 66 between the Mississippi River at St. Louis and the Oklahoma state line near Joplin. In her remarks May 5, Kirkpatrick plans to highlight the relationship people had -- and many still have -- with Route 66 and its mystique. "Everybody has a Route 66 story," said Kirkpatrick, whether traveling the "the most famous road in the world" seeking work during the Great Depression, visiting a loved one in the military during World War II or vacationing in the 1950s. Also scheduled to speak May 5 is Tommy Pike of Springfield, President of the Route 66 Association of Missouri. Pike and his wife, Glenda, Editor of the Route 66 Association's "Show-Me Route 66" magazine, were among those who advocated for the state Scenic Byway designation for Route 66. The Route 66 group and MoDOT are pursuing national Scenic Byway designation. The strip of old Route 66 where the May 5 event will take place was a northbound-to-eastbound turn lane in the 1950s, Tommy Pike said. The intersection was a four-way stop. Glenstone Avenue carried north- south U.S. 65 through Springfield. Glenstone Avenue also carried Business U.S. 66 between Kearney Street and St. Louis (then Business U.S. 66 joined Business U.S. 60 and went west along St. Louis and College streets through downtown to Scenic Avenue before splitting up). Kearney Street carried U.S. 66 through traffic across the north edge of the city. Earlier in the highway's history, U.S. 66 followed what is now Route YY and Division Street east of Glenstone Avenue. The Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission voted Nov. 9, 2005, to designate Historic Route 66 as a Byway at the request of the Route 66 Association of Missouri and after many public meetings in communities along I-44. The last stretch of the old Route 66 nationwide was decommissioned in 1985. Under the Byways program, MoDOT works with local communities and groups to identify existing roadways that offer one or more intrinsic qualities that provide a basis for Byway designation: archaeological, cultural, historic, natural, recreational or scenic. This reimbursement program provides funding for improvements along Byways -- 80 percent paid with federal money and 20 percent local match. In the case of Route 66, the outdoor advertising that helped the highway develop as an economic lifeline remains an integral part of the Route 66 heritage. Commercial enticements, for products like Burma Shave and destinations like Meramec Caverns, appeared not only on billboards and, eventually, electrified signs but also on slanted barn roofs and weathered fence posts. The other roadways designated as state Byways in Missouri are: Little Dixie Highway of the Great River Road, northeast Missouri; Cliff Drive and Spirit of Kansas City, both in Kansas City; Crowley's Ridge, Dunklin County, and Stars and Stripes, Stoddard County, both in southeast Missouri; Old Trails Road and Santa Fe Trail, Lafayette County in central Missouri; and Ozark Mountain Highroad, Branson area, southwest Missouri. END (For more information, call MoDOT in Springfield at 417-895-7600 or toll-free at 1-888-ASK-MoDOT; or Tommy and Glenda Pike of the Route 66 Association of Missouri in Springfield at 417-865- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glenda-Tommy Pike Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Peter, Please be sure to include Schifferdecker Golf Course, right on 66 in Joplin, Missouri. Contact: Brad Belk, Executive Director, Joplin Museum Complex, PO BX 555, Joplin, MO 64802-0555, 417-623-1180. The Museum Complex is located in Schifferdecker Park and Brad is contact for all of it. joplinmuseum@sbcglobal.net This Course had their opening date in 1922. Our next Association magazine will have a feature article on it. -- There is also a golf course on 66 at Carthage, MO. It is Carthage Municipal Park and Golf Course (1937) but that is all the contact information I have. --In Springfield, Missouri there is the former Grandview Golf Course, now the Bill and Payne Stewart Golf Course (home of the Sterwarts) about 3/4 mile off 66at 1825 E Norton, 417-833-9962. Also, just west of Springfield is a newer course called Deer Lake Golf Course at 5544 W State Hwy 266, Springfield, MO 417-865-0717 or 417-859-4470. Hwy 266 is old 66. ---In Marshfield, Missouri is an old course also directly on 66 called Marshfield Country Club at Hwy CC (66) & Elm, 417-859-4470 Tommy Pike, President Route 66 Association of Missouri 417-865-1318 furyon66@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: jimconkle To: Finch, Peter Cc: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups. Com; route66@yahoogroups.com; ushwys@yahoogroups.com; Brad Nickson; David Clark; David Knudson; Dean Walker; Delbert & Ruth Trew; Dennis Karlstad; Emily Priddy; Glen Duncan; Guy Randall; Hank Hallmark; Jeff Myers; Jim Ross; John McEnulty; Johnny Miller; Kathy Anderson; Kathie Reece-McNeill; Michael Taylor; Ollie Schwallenstecker; Pat Bremer; Rick Schmigle; Steve Henthorn; Thomas Repp; Tom Potter; Tom Willis; Tommy Pike; Trond Moberg; ushwys@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/12/2005 6:49:09 PM Subject: RE: Golf along Route 66 Hi Peter, As we discussed on the phone today I am forwarding your request on to the Route 66 Community. They are the folks that will have this information already or can get it fast. Again let me say thanks from all of us involved with the road. Folks Peter is in need of this information just as soon as you can get it to him. Once again our beloved road is going to be the theme for another article, this time in the most respected Golf magazine in the world. I can assure you that this will open many more doors for us and in ways we could not get opened any other way. So please e-mail the information before Monday May 16th as they have a deadline to make. If they do not get the information by that time, they will be doing a scaled down article and we sure do not want that to happen. This information by the way goes to the writer who then puts the article together, so the more data/information that is given to him/her the better/longer/more detail the article will be. If you do not know the information ask someone that plays the game of golf. Peter will let us know when the article will run. For those of you that are PR smart you will be able to use the magazine article to get even more PR. Let me know if you need some advice on Public Relations as I am not only a member of PRSA, Public Relations Society of America but we won their top award in 2003, the Silver Anvil Award. James M Conkle Executive Director California Route 66 Preservation Foundation P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760 617 3991 cell 760 868 3320 760 868 8614 fax jim@cart66pf.org www.cart66pf.org -----Original Message----- From: Finch, Peter [mailto:Peter.Finch@golfdigest.com] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:39 PM To: jim@cart66pf.org Subject: Golf along Route 66 Jim -- It was great talking with you today. As we discussed, I'm a senior editor at Golf Digest, the largest golf publication in the U.S. with a circulation of 1.55 million. We are working on an "All-American" issue for later this summer. We thought it would be great to feature the best golf along Route 66, the All-American highway. I am hopeful you and your fellow Route 66 experts can lead us to the courses. Specifically, I am looking for any golf course (ideally 18 holes, but noteworthy nine-holers are OK too) within 15-30 minutes of Route 66. Please send the course names (and locations) to me at peter.finch@golfdigest.com. If I could hear back by Monday, May 16, it would be ideal. Thanks in advance and best regards, Pete Finch Golf Digest magazine --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thehinge@magpage.com> Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 That's a good thing that you're jealous about someone else's travel plans, Denny. Give you ideas for future conventions/trips, right? Heh, heh.... Matt Smallwood On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:43:46 -0400 "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote: > > > > Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) > Looks like the > libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar > inventory. I think > contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may > give that a try. > Good idea. > > Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me > from getting to > Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's > plans my jealousy > quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger > Moss gathering. I > may have to start deleting messages that mention either > to keep my JQ from > boiling over. > > --Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question > > > Denny, > > I have copies of both books also. I see what you > mean about the apparent > cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one > shown in the > Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from > the Omaha Public > Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch > with the Vales they > might be able to shed some light on this question. > > Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denny > Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com> > To: > <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > ; > <mailto:route-40@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture > question > > > I've been doing some arm chair traveling down > US-40 using George Stewart's > 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be > because after a few > pages > I find I just have to read the matching section in > the Vale's 1983 > "sequel". > I'm sure many group members are familiar with one > or both of these books. > Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures > that he took in the > early > '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a > "then & now" book with many > of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own > updated views of the same > scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and > am approaching them in > 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question > for anyone with a copy of > Stewart's book. > > Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and > Hogback". Stewart says it was taken > "about a dozen miles west of Denver". > When I read his description, I had > some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; > Particularly a highway > "dotted with cars". But, when I read the > Vales' description, those "dots" > were quite obvious in both pictures printed in > their book. Comparing the > two > books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart > picture and the 1983 Stewart > picture are different crops of the same > photograph. A readily identified > rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. > Same with the Vale > version and a road is front and center to its > left. But that rock is at > the > far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the > road. > > Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy > of the Stewart book, > could > you take a look and see what your picture #49 > looks like? My copy is a > retired library book that I bought used. It's a > hardcover with no > indication > of being a second or special printing. The Vale's > make no comment that > would > explain it and the picture they've reproduced is > almost certainly the one > Stewart was talking about in his own text. > > --Denny > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. > Clemens, MI 48046 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message > via e-mail, send it to: > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > Business finance course > > > Business to business finance > > > Small business finance > > > > > Business finance consultant > > > Business finance schools > > > Business finance schools > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! 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Guest Pat B. Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 My dad & I did a good portion of it in 1994. We set out on July 4th weekend, took US 30 through PA where we stopped in Gettysburg. That was a great experience itself. While we were touring the battlefields at Gettysburg NationalMilitary Park, we were at the site of Little Round Top where Col. Joshua Chamberlain's 20th Maine defended the hill against the charging Rebs. We were reading some of the info we had and we were at Little Round Top the same day and the same time of the day when they were defending it, some 131 years prior. We then departed G-burg and headed south and spent the night at Front Royal, VA, where Skyline Drive begins. That next day we drove Skyline and hooked up with the Blue Ridge Pkwy and drove it down into southern VA, ending up in Fancy Gap, I believe. We went home the next day, but it was one of those trips, though short, was one of my most memorable. Pat B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 More on the Lincoln Highway in Iowa - a writers reaction to the AP story: http://www.leesvilledailyleader.com/articl.../news/news6.txt ypsi-slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 A tribute to a major dude and not just in the world of blue highways, where he will be missed by all of us... ----- Original Message ----- From: <roncox@bellsouth.net> To: <>; <nilssam@lycos.com>; <risamuels@viterbo.edu>; <>; <reyoung68@yahoo.com>; <rodrebuck@yahoo.com>; <>; <peterahess@comcast.net>; <>; <wm1066@aol.com>; <isaacsmike@yahoo.com>; <>; <hulk181@comcast.net>; <reggio@comcast.net>; <>; <RosarioAlicea@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: In Memorium > Doug Pappas has died at 43. A sad loss for all of us who learned from his tireless and excellent writing on the business of baseball. I knew him as a friendly and helpful colleague who chaired the business of baseball committee in SABR, of which I'm a member. He will be missed. Here's a fitting tribute by Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus: > > Prospectus Today > Saying Goodbye > > > by Joe Sheehan > > Three days after first getting the news of it, the death of Doug Pappas seems no more real than it did on Friday. I know that denial is a stage of grief, but it's easy to get stuck there when you find your friend quoted in the paper, as Doug was in yesterday's Denver Post, the words from an interview conducted well before his passing. > That Doug would be sharing knowledge even after his death is appropriate. The man is gone, and we're all less for that loss, but what remains, what will remain, is his amazing work. From his efforts as part of the Society for American Baseball Research to his writing for Baseball Prospectus to his nascent Weblog, Doug spent much of his life sharing knowledge with others. Without fanfare, every day Doug made the world a little smarter, a little better, and did so for nothing more than the fact that he enjoyed it. > > I didn't know Doug as well as some of my friends did. Six months ago, I barely knew him at all, having shared just a few brief meetings along with many e-mail exchanges. Last December, though, Sophia and I had dinner with him in Yonkers. Now, I make a point of saying that Sophia was there, because I know a lot of people in baseball who make for awkward dinner partners when the subject moves outside our shared passion. That wasn't the case with Doug, who kept Sophia regaled with stories of his trips around the country, and who made such an impression on my wife in that meeting that she, too, was heartbroken upon hearing last week's news. > > Not long after that night, I saw Doug again, participating in two book signings with him in March, getting to meet his mother, Carolyn, at the first. I'm sure that Doug had given his mother countless reasons to be proud of him before that night, but I thought it was great that she was there to see him in that environment, dozens of people there to hear him speak and to get his autograph. He was tremendous in that setting, equal parts informative and entertaining, as natural with a microphone as we knew him to be with a keyboard. > > The last time I saw Doug was just after the second of those two events. After the signing, a number of BPers and attendees were off to some local establishment for beverages and ball talk, and I thought that Doug would join us. With a long trip back to Westchester, though, he declined, and headed to the nearest subway. I wish I'd been able to prevail upon him to come with us that night, because a few more people would have gotten to know him, to enjoy his personality, his wit, and his passion for that other baseball team in New York. > > I said this in introducing Doug at those signings, and I'll say it again here: of all the people I have worked with, I am most proud to have been able to work with Doug Pappas. His efforts to get at the truth of baseball's economic, labor and public policy issues were ceaseless, their impact lasting. That we were able to get Doug to write for Baseball Prospectus, that I was able to call him a colleague, is one of the most rewarding elements of my career. > > It wasn't just the caliber of his work, which of course was high. It was that he had the courage to stand up and say, "They're lying. This is the truth," and back it up with so much evidence that he could not be ignored. Doug had a permanent effect on the way baseball's off-field issues are covered. He made it right--no, he made it mandatory--to question the claims of baseball's authorities, and he did it in the face of opposition from some powerful people. When called on the carpet by Bud Selig, Doug calmly presented the facts and refused to be intimidated. > > Those who knew Doug remain in mourning, stunned at the loss of a friend at such a young age. A glance around the baseball community on the Web reveals the breadth of his impact, and the loss felt by so many people who perhaps only knew Doug through his writing. > > We're going to have to get past that, and when we do, we have to do the only thing we can do for Doug: carry on his work. Instead of one strong voice braying the truth about the business of baseball, let there be dozens. Instead of one Web site, let there be hundreds. Let's let the high example Doug Pappas set be the minimum standard we set for our work, so that skepticism about the game's business side isn't just warranted, but expected. Let's make it so that Doug's legacy isn't just the work he did, but the work yet to be done by the people who read him and learned from him. > > Doug showed us how. It's up to us to keep it going. > > Goodbye, my friend, and thank you. Now, it's our turn to make you proud. > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hello: The wonderful people in Clarksdale MS need our assistance...these folks have done a lot to bring their town back and sport as many reclamation projects as anyplace I know...I am trying to get a picture of the clock and an address to send donations, or you can contact James Butler at the link below....when I get more infoI will let you know...tsingtao Kip 10. HELP SAVE A CLARKSDALE ICON -- THE AM SOUTH BANK CLOCK... "Save the Clock... I am sure that you have all read about the clock by now. I will just give any of you that have not an update. The clock that has(had) hung at the corner of 3rd and yazoo since the late 30's has been removed. This all happened several weeks ago and this is how it happened. Donnie Rew called me one Friday afternoon at about 4 in a panic. He said that Custom Signs was there taking down the old clock. They were to remove the clock and were going to take it to their scrap pile in Batesville. Ronnie was of course very upset and they said if he could give them a location to put it they would drop it off on their way to Batesville. I had them put it on the Gin dock at Hopson. Ronnie and Gene Booth have had someone in Memphis look into repairing the old clock and the cost is going to be about $3900.00. The bank has agreed to pay to put the clock up and that is it. We need your help. The clock needs to be put back up and at least where it will light up. We hope that we can get the clock running as well , however , first things first , the $3900.00 will just be to get all the dents from the removal and the glass fixed. Once it is back up we hope to complete the repair and maintain it. Any help, or ideas would be great. We do not have much time as the bank has given a 2 week window in which to get the work done and put the clock back up. Thanks for your help!!!!!" -- James Butler, jbutler57@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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