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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...>

 

wrote:

 

> US 62 didn't mean much to me couple of months ago. Then, in May, I

 

drove a

 

> stretch that crosses the OH-PA border and a stretch in KY about a

 

month

 

> later. Those were both very enjoyable drives and caused me to look

 

into just

 

> where this highway goes. Another business trip to Pennsylvania

 

gets me

 

> within striking distance of its eastern end so I'm heading for

 

Niagara Falls

 

> with plans to follow about a third of the route. Even though I've

 

only

 

> touched 62 briefly, I've been on my own time since noon yesterday

 

so I'm

 

> thinking the trip has started. Stuff leading US 62 is up at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/rt62east with more to follow.

 

 

 

 

 

>

 

>Thanks, Denny. I always enjoy your travelogues, especially with

 

all the good photos you take. I admire your efforts to update your

 

trip logs as often as feasable (unlike a certain road warrior whom I

 

shall not name who went to Chattanooga a couple of months ago and

 

*still* hasn't done his write up:)

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> I thought you all might find this interesting reading. A guy from

 

> England I met only on the Internet is driving a 1963 Buick Riviera all

 

> over the USA, primarily on back roads and such. (We have been in

 

> contact because I, too, own a '63 Riviera and he seeks mechanical

 

> advice from me at times.)

 

>

 

> He started his journey in February, took a break in April/May and then

 

> returned to continue the trip. He is keeping a Travelog of his

 

> journey online:

 

>

 

> http://www.ealees.com/roadtrip/index.html

 

>

 

> It is interesting to read the observations and perspective about the

 

> USA from a person from another country. You may also get some ideas of

 

> places to go, things to see from him.

 

>

 

> Jim

 

 

 

A 63 Riviera is a great car to see America in. They are a bit "thirsty"

 

though.

 

If he has time, the San Juan Skyway route in SW Colorado is not to be misssed.

 

Run from Ouray, to Teluride, to Silverton, to Durango. Then ride the narrow

 

gauge

 

steam railroad in Durango.

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Hey Dave,

 

 

 

I enjoyed your article and appreciate your research. Perhaps gas

 

stations didn't need to

 

advertise in the Yellow Pages, as a local business, unless they did AAA

 

towing or such.

 

 

 

It is pretty easy to do a deed search. The local assessment authority -

 

be it a city, township,

 

and/or the county, usually tracks the last deed of record in their tax

 

file. This is public info.

 

and you can usually get the "liber and page" from them with a phone call.

 

Then you go to

 

the Register of Deeds and look up the liber and page which is usually a

 

Warranty Deed

 

where Al Smith sold the property to Thomas Murphy. Then you can do a

 

name search on

 

Al Smith to work backwards in time on the property. In Detroit - Wayne

 

County - most

 

of the property at the Register of Deeds starts with British Land Grants.

 

 

 

Keep up the good work!!

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:49:25 -0000 "David G. Clark"

 

<olympia66@netzero.net> writes:

 

I just wanted to let anyone with an interest know that I was able to

 

do some research this last Saturday and the Chicago Public Library

 

concerning the Castle Car Wash at 3801 W. Ogden. For those that do not

 

know, this building is on Chicago's west side, on the alignment that

 

was Illinois routes 4 and 18 and US routes 66, 32, and 34. This was a

 

major auto throughway in its day, and the transient traffic supported

 

literally dozens of automobile-related businesses. What we now know as

 

the Castle Car Wash was built in 1925 as a filling station. My

 

research on Saturday was to determine the names of the businesses that

 

operated out of that building over the years as reflected in yellow

 

pages telephone directory listings. I have posted up on my website as

 

to the results of this research. The update is apended to the article

 

I had previously posted about the Castle:

 

 

 

http://www.windycityroadwarrior.com/Stories/Stories.html

 

 

 

We are attempting to insure that this building is saved, since it is

 

one of the few remaining structures from this area's highway past.

 

 

 

Dave Clark

 

Windy City Road Warrior

 

http://www.windycityroadwarrior.com

 

dave@windycityroadwarrior.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Wow - Chicken In the Rough lives on in Michigan!! This is also still

 

served at Haab's

 

in Ypsilanti, MI!!

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:38:54 -0000 "beckyrepp"

 

<becky@mockturtlepress.com> writes:

 

Hi.

 

 

 

I saw that John had questions re: things to see/do in Michigan.

 

 

 

If you have time, check out M-25 in Michigan--around the Michigan Thumb

 

area. Lots of great places--including the Powers Diner in Port Huron on

 

the

 

cover of the Summer issue of American Road. Port Huron also has the Palms

 

 

 

Krystal Bar and Restaurant still serving the famous "Chicken in the

 

Rough!"

 

Lexington is another great stop--be sure to visit the vintage General

 

Store

 

downtown. You might want to check out the Summer 05 issue (the current

 

issue) of American Road as it has a feature article on M-25 around the

 

Thumb.

 

 

 

Safe Travels,

 

Becky Repp

 

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Guest Russell S. Rein

I'm sure you can find some more info. on the web but I believe this was

 

started

 

by Beverly's Restaurant in Oklahoma City. The logo was a chicken playing

 

golf.

 

It is more of a franchised meal rather than a restaurant per se. I

 

believe it consists

 

of 1/2 fried unjointed chicket with those thin french fires and biscuits

 

and honey.

 

It was served in or came with a little tin-litho'd bucket. There are lot

 

of Chicken

 

in the Rough collectibles including postcards, matches, menus, paper

 

placemats,

 

and logo'd china and flatware. Try running a search on ebay.

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:30:07 EDT egyptianzipper@aol.com writes:

 

In a message dated 7/11/05 2:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

becky@mockturtlepress.com writes:

 

Port Huron also has the Palms

 

Krystal Bar and Restaurant still serving the famous "Chicken in the

 

Rough!"

 

====================================================================

 

Please tell me what Chicken in the Rough is. There used to be a

 

restaurant in

 

Front Royal VA that advertised it on a big neon sign.

 

 

 

Tom Hoffman

 

Pearisburg VA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It's really GREAT fried chicken! Check out this link for the details and the

 

history.

 

 

 

http://www.chickenintherough.com/History.html..

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

:-)Becky

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, egyptianzipper@a... wrote:

 

> In a message dated 7/11/05 2:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

> becky@m... writes:

 

> Port Huron also has the Palms

 

> Krystal Bar and Restaurant still serving the famous "Chicken in the Rough!"

 

> ==========================================================

 

==========

 

> Please tell me what Chicken in the Rough is. There used to be a restaurant

 

in

 

> Front Royal VA that advertised it on a big neon sign.

 

>

 

> Tom Hoffman

 

> Pearisburg VA

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Guest Toshio Koshimizu

Last June, my wife and I drove from Detroit to Seattle passing through 10

 

states,

 

 

 

MI, IN, IL, WI, MN, SD, ND, MT, ID and WA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In MI, we visited 2 Auto Museums. In ID, we saw Covered Bridges in Parke

 

County

 

 

 

and visited home of my friends. They provided us with Indianapolis

 

sightseeing tour.

 

 

 

In WI we drove US14 and US12 from Madison to Eau Claire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From MN to WA, we traveled tracing ?EThe Yellowstone Trail?E route.

 

We

 

sometimes

 

 

 

drove less changed rough dirt roads, such as CR7, 146St. and 458 Av. near

 

Marvin (SD),

 

 

 

Rt. 3110 near McLaughlin (SD), CR320 going Ismay (MT), Old Yellowstone Trail

 

near

 

 

 

Willow Creek (MT).

 

 

 

We found old Yellowstone Trail Markers at Haynes (ND) and Snoqualmie Pass

 

(WA).

 

 

 

We met many nice and kind people during our trip. Every we met welcomed us

 

warmly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was really wonderful journey. We enjoyed driving American two-lane

 

highways,

 

 

 

US Highways, State Highways, County Roads and some backroads.

 

 

 

We created two slideshows of this trip. URLs are as follows. Please give me

 

your

 

 

 

comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part-1: Antique Cars On Parade & Route 66

 

 

 

http://www.isao-net.com/slide/americanroads1/index.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part-2: Driving The Yellowstone Trail Today

 

 

 

http://www.isao-net.com/slide/americanroads2/index.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Toshio Koshimizu,

 

 

 

Yokohama Japan

 

 

 

e-mail: t-koshi@nona.dti.ne.jp

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Guest Denny Gibson

What a great travelblog. I started at the beginning, followed along through

 

Nashville, then skipped ahead to get up to date. I'll try to follow along

 

(within a day or three) from here on. Plus I need to find time to catch up

 

on the big chunk in between.

 

 

 

I couldn't find an address but I assume you are in contact with Jon. If so,

 

could you ask him for any good leads on a '63 Elf?

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: turning2the_right [mailto:turning2the_right@yahoo.com]

 

> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:58 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US Road Trip in a '63 Riviera

 

>

 

>

 

> I thought you all might find this interesting reading. A guy from

 

> England I met only on the Internet is driving a 1963 Buick Riviera all

 

> over the USA, primarily on back roads and such. (We have been in

 

> contact because I, too, own a '63 Riviera and he seeks mechanical

 

> advice from me at times.)

 

>

 

> He started his journey in February, took a break in April/May and then

 

> returned to continue the trip. He is keeping a Travelog of his

 

> journey online:

 

>

 

> http://www.ealees.com/roadtrip/index.html

 

>

 

> It is interesting to read the observations and perspective about the

 

> USA from a person from another country. You may also get some ideas of

 

> places to go, things to see from him.

 

>

 

> Jim

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One of my favorite spots on US 20 in Ohio is Angola. . . Luv the statue and

 

round-a-bout. It's beautiful at night--saw it last night on the way back from

 

the

 

Catsup Bottle Festival in Collinsville.

 

 

 

Re: the Amish Byway--it is going to be covered in the Autum issue of

 

American Road (due out on store shelves in September)--which would be just

 

in time for your trip.

 

 

 

One other consideration in Northern Ohio--the Lincoln Highway. The routing

 

is detailed by Gregory Franzwa in the Vol 2 #2 of American Road--it follows

 

these roads at one point or another: SR 267, US 30, SR 172, US 250, US 42 (I

 

might have left off one or two!). Anyway, if you decide to follow the LH, check

 

out the 1837 Spread Eagle Tavern in Hanoverton!

 

 

 

Becky

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "morningglory1955" <

 

morningglory1955@y...> wrote:

 

> Hi, Ann:

 

>

 

> Yes, there are some routes that run close to the Lake Erie shore:

 

> US 6 west from Cleveland, and US 20 and state route 531 east

 

> of the city. You can pick up PA route 5 from there if you want to

 

> continue east. Some parts of these routes are picturesque,

 

> others not as much so, but they give you a better "old road" feel

 

> than Ohio 2 or the turnpike.

 

>

 

> South of Cleveland, you might consider a trip to Holmes County,

 

> which is Amish country. Lots of wonderful scenery and things to

 

> do in the various towns (we especially love Lehman's Hardware,

 

> in Kidron--they have a website if you want to check them out).

 

> Holmes County would be especially beautiful in autumn. As

 

> might be expected, though, very few open businesses on

 

> Sunday.

 

>

 

> A good reference book might be the One Tank Trips series by

 

> Neil Zurcher. Entertaining to read, and he understands the

 

> concept of "off the beaten path" very well.

 

>

 

> Alyce

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We have a plan to go to Bardstown next month and definitely plan to stay at

 

the Wigwam in Cave City! Looks awesome! Tsingtao Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Jennifer" <jabremer66@aol.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:39 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Wigwam Village (Was Re: Interesting places in SC,

 

KY, and TN)

 

 

 

 

 

> >> If you're venturing further west, Mammoth Cave is cool and you can

 

> stay at the Wigwam hotel.<<

 

>

 

> I echo Patsy's thoughts on the Wigwam Village - it's very cool to

 

> sleep in a Wigwam! I took a bunch of photos of the motel back in

 

> November 2003 for an article Pat and I wrote for American Road which

 

> appeared in an issue in Spring 2004.

 

>

 

> http://www.roadtripmemories.com/trips/wigwamvillage2.htm

 

>

 

> As Pat reported earlier, there is a new owner, a young man and his

 

> uncle who have been lifelong residents of the area. He indicated his

 

> desire to maintain the standards of the motel which the previous

 

> owner, Ivan John, started with his clean up after purchasing it. He

 

> also indicated that they are booked up for the next three weeks, so it

 

> would be a good idea to place a call to them in advance to make sure

 

> they have availability.

 

>

 

> http://www.wigwamvillage.com/

 

>

 

> He also said they are working on creating a new and improved website,

 

> so that gave us comfort, because we doubted they'd do all that stuff,

 

> including a new website, just to let the place go downhill.

 

>

 

> Jennifer

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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Jim & group,

 

 

 

I've only had time to read a few brief sections of this travel log &

 

I think that it very Awesome!!! It's just as good as reading a

 

realy good book with all of the pics. info etc.

 

My wife & I are new to the group & am looking forward to reading &

 

learning from everyone as well as joining in on the fun!

 

I use to work & live on the road & have traveled all of the lower 48

 

states & DC as well as most of Canada many times over.

 

 

 

From what I've seen so far, This group seems to be the best all

 

around!

 

Looking forward to more of the groups journeys/stories etc. when

 

I/we get more time!

 

 

 

Until then,............"Happy Trails"

 

 

 

Ken & Brenda, from Southeastern WI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "turning2the_right"

 

<turning2the_right@y...> wrote:

 

> I thought you all might find this interesting reading. A guy from

 

> England I met only on the Internet is driving a 1963 Buick Riviera

 

all

 

> over the USA, primarily on back roads and such. (We have been in

 

> contact because I, too, own a '63 Riviera and he seeks mechanical

 

> advice from me at times.)

 

>

 

> He started his journey in February, took a break in April/May and

 

then

 

> returned to continue the trip. He is keeping a Travelog of his

 

> journey online:

 

>

 

> http://www.ealees.com/roadtrip/index.html

 

>

 

> It is interesting to read the observations and perspective about

 

the

 

> USA from a person from another country. You may also get some

 

ideas of

 

> places to go, things to see from him.

 

>

 

> Jim

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Guest Russell S. Rein

I really enjoyed your Yellowstone Trail slide show. Your dedication to

 

find and

 

drive the old road, and stay off those Interstates is admirable. US 2

 

in the West,

 

in part, also carried the old Theodore Roosevelt International Highway.

 

 

 

regards,

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:36:44 +0900 "Toshio Koshimizu"

 

<t-koshi@nona.dti.ne.jp> writes:

 

Last June, my wife and I drove from Detroit to Seattle passing through 10

 

states,

 

 

 

MI, IN, IL, WI, MN, SD, ND, MT, ID and WA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In MI, we visited 2 Auto Museums. In ID, we saw Covered Bridges in Parke

 

County

 

 

 

and visited home of my friends. They provided us with Indianapolis

 

sightseeing tour.

 

 

 

In WI we drove US14 and US12 from Madison to Eau Claire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From MN to WA, we traveled tracing gThe Yellowstone Trailh route. We

 

sometimes

 

 

 

drove less changed rough dirt roads, such as CR7, 146St. and 458 Av. near

 

Marvin (SD),

 

 

 

Rt. 3110 near McLaughlin (SD), CR320 going Ismay (MT), Old Yellowstone

 

Trail

 

near

 

 

 

Willow Creek (MT).

 

 

 

We found old Yellowstone Trail Markers at Haynes (ND) and Snoqualmie Pass

 

(WA).

 

 

 

We met many nice and kind people during our trip. Every we met welcomed

 

us

 

warmly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was really wonderful journey. We enjoyed driving American two-lane

 

highways,

 

 

 

US Highways, State Highways, County Roads and some backroads.

 

 

 

We created two slideshows of this trip. URLs are as follows. Please give

 

me

 

your

 

 

 

comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part-1: Antique Cars On Parade & Route 66

 

 

 

http://www.isao-net.com/slide/americanroads1/index.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part-2: Driving The Yellowstone Trail Today

 

 

 

http://www.isao-net.com/slide/americanroads2/index.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Toshio Koshimizu,

 

 

 

Yokohama Japan

 

 

 

e-mail: t-koshi@nona.dti.ne.jp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

 

 

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Russell:

 

 

 

Thanks for your comments. I will keep your info about deed search for

 

future reference. I've never done it before, so thanks. In this case,

 

Phil Thomason has done most of that already. I need to fill in the

 

gaps of the businesses that operated in the building.

 

 

 

You are right, this local gas station may not have seen the need for a

 

yellow pages ad in the 1960s, and so I will be checking the white

 

pages for a "Murphy John J" at 3801 W. Ogden Ave. to see what I find.

 

If its not there, then I will have to come up with another plan.

 

Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a "criss-cross" directory for

 

Chicago available for the 1960s at any of the local libraries I have

 

tried so far--Not the Chicago Historical Society, or the Newberry, nor

 

the Chicago Public Library. I have a few more University Libraries to

 

check.

 

 

 

I am also doing a Freeom of Information Act request for all building

 

permits and building violations for the property and the adjacent

 

vacant lot. The vacant lot is related, which I discovered today, and

 

which will be my next update to the website!

 

 

 

It's interesting that your deed records in Detroit go back to the

 

British Land Grants. The oldest records in Chicago WOULD be Northwest

 

Ordinace records from the U.S. Government, from the early 19th

 

century. There may be some of this in existence from State and Federal

 

records, but most anything that was domiciled in Chicago burned up in

 

the Chicago Fire of 1871.

 

 

 

Dave Clark

 

Windy City Road Warrior

 

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<Ypsi-slim@j...> wrote:

 

> Hey Dave,

 

>

 

> I enjoyed your article and appreciate your research. Perhaps gas

 

> stations didn't need to

 

> advertise in the Yellow Pages, as a local business, unless they did AAA

 

> towing or such.

 

>

 

> It is pretty easy to do a deed search. The local assessment authority -

 

> be it a city, township,

 

> and/or the county, usually tracks the last deed of record in their tax

 

> file. This is public info.

 

> and you can usually get the "liber and page" from them with a phone

 

call.

 

> Then you go to

 

> the Register of Deeds and look up the liber and page which is usually a

 

> Warranty Deed

 

> where Al Smith sold the property to Thomas Murphy. Then you can do a

 

> name search on

 

> Al Smith to work backwards in time on the property. In Detroit - Wayne

 

> County - most

 

> of the property at the Register of Deeds starts with British Land

 

Grants.

 

>

 

> Keep up the good work!!

 

>

 

> slim

 

>

 

> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:49:25 -0000 "David G. Clark"

 

> <olympia66@n...> writes:

 

> I just wanted to let anyone with an interest know that I was able to

 

> do some research this last Saturday and the Chicago Public Library

 

> concerning the Castle Car Wash at 3801 W. Ogden. For those that do not

 

> know, this building is on Chicago's west side, on the alignment that

 

> was Illinois routes 4 and 18 and US routes 66, 32, and 34. This was a

 

> major auto throughway in its day, and the transient traffic supported

 

> literally dozens of automobile-related businesses. What we now know as

 

> the Castle Car Wash was built in 1925 as a filling station. My

 

> research on Saturday was to determine the names of the businesses that

 

> operated out of that building over the years as reflected in yellow

 

> pages telephone directory listings. I have posted up on my website as

 

> to the results of this research. The update is apended to the article

 

> I had previously posted about the Castle:

 

>

 

> http://www.windycityroadwarrior.com/Stories/Stories.html

 

>

 

> We are attempting to insure that this building is saved, since it is

 

> one of the few remaining structures from this area's highway past.

 

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Can anyone be of assistance with this query? Tsingtao, Kip

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Route 66 State Park

 

To: rudkip@sbcglobal.net

 

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:19 PM

 

Subject: query from a Mrs. Falkenrath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kip,

 

 

 

Hi! I hope all is well.

 

I received a call from a Mrs. Mary Falkenrath from Rolla.

 

Her father, Earl Jones, owned a business on 66 in the 50's called the Jones'

 

Brothers Service Station. He was also connected to a place called the J & J

 

Restaurant and Truck Stop in Jerome. She is looking for pics and memorabilia

 

from these places. From what she indicated one or the other was near the Beacon

 

Motel. She asked for various sources and help in possibly locating this

 

information, and I gave your name to her and the Friends of the Mother Road.

 

Could you possibly call her? Her phone is 573-341-2436. I also gave her Tommy

 

Pike's name, and told her to try looking in the local paper from that era, as

 

well as to check with the local Historical Society. I am also looking through

 

our collections. Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

Michelle Neubauer

 

Route 66 State Park

 

97 N Outer Rd., Suite 1

 

Eureka, Mo., 63025

 

P636-938-7198

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

We Buckeyes are always willing to take in a stray town or two but Indiana

 

might not be ready to give up Angola just yet. Just teasing, Becky. I bet it

 

looked like Ohio after driving from Collinsville. It's been a loooooooong

 

time since I was there but I do have some pleasant memories. Maybe I can get

 

back there sometime.

 

 

 

Regarding the Lincoln Highway in Ohio, I'll grab this opening to mention

 

Mike Buettner's excellent guide at:

 

http://www.lincolnhighwayoh.com/preface.html . History, directions, and

 

maps.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: beckyrepp [mailto:becky@mockturtlepress.com]

 

> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:41 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Ohio

 

>

 

>

 

> One of my favorite spots on US 20 in Ohio is Angola. . . Luv

 

> the statue and

 

> round-a-bout. It's beautiful at night--saw it last night on the

 

> way back from the

 

> Catsup Bottle Festival in Collinsville.

 

>

 

> Re: the Amish Byway--it is going to be covered in the Autum issue of

 

> American Road (due out on store shelves in September)--which

 

> would be just

 

> in time for your trip.

 

>

 

> One other consideration in Northern Ohio--the Lincoln Highway.

 

> The routing

 

> is detailed by Gregory Franzwa in the Vol 2 #2 of American

 

> Road--it follows

 

> these roads at one point or another: SR 267, US 30, SR 172, US

 

> 250, US 42 (I

 

> might have left off one or two!). Anyway, if you decide to follow

 

> the LH, check

 

> out the 1837 Spread Eagle Tavern in Hanoverton!

 

>

 

> Becky

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Hi everybody this is my first post, glad to be here I LOVE THE ROAD!!!

 

I've taken many road trips, being from Chicago I have a choice to go

 

any which way. I would have to say my favorite Road Trip was last

 

fall. My best friend and I picked three different directions to go out

 

of a baseball cap. We picked the Northeast. We left the Thursday

 

before Columbus Day weekend and the fall colors were just about in

 

full bloom, which we were told was kinda early for that time of the

 

year. Here is our route.

 

 

 

Night 1: Chicago I-90 tollway all the way to Canastota, NY. This took

 

about 10 hours in all, not bad. When we woke up and pulled out of the

 

hotel parking lot, we discovered that this was the town where the

 

Boxing Hall of Fame was!!!!

 

 

 

Night 2: I-90 to Utica, NY. Highway 12/28 North to Blue Mountain Lake,

 

NY. This stretch was very scenic and right around Woodgate, NY you

 

enter Adirondack NP. Highway 30 North to Tupper Lake, NY (about 35

 

miles)Highway 3 east to Saranac Lake, NY....Highway 86 east to Lake

 

Placid, NY. This was a beautiful town, we ate breakfast here and did

 

some souvenir shopping. From there we took Highway 73 East to Keene,

 

NY then headed north on Highway 9N until we reached Port Kent, NY

 

where we took the ferry across Lake Champlain into Burlington, VT. Not

 

many places to stay there, and the town all in all was expensive. We

 

ended up paying $225 for a Marriott right on the lake.

 

 

 

I have to go to bed, I will post the rest of this trip tomorrow if you

 

guys want.

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Some controversey about the ebay Lincoln Highway marker

 

medallion and a correction:

 

 

 

Norman Root, the State of California Director of the Lincoln

 

Highway Association, and Bob Dieterich, the State Chapter

 

President both contacted me about the medallion sale on ebay.

 

 

 

First - a location correction: Norman pointed out that this

 

marker would not have been located at the junction of the two

 

Lincoln Highway Routes (Pioneer Trail and Truckee Route).

 

Instead it was from the the Junction of Greenback Lane and

 

Folson-Auburn Road. This would on the NE side of the

 

American River - just NE of Folsom. Delorme mapping

 

still notates the bridge over the river as Greenback.

 

 

 

Secondly - actions were taken to try to stop the auction and

 

recover the medallion for Folsom - Here's what Norman has

 

to say,

 

 

 

"Bob,- Nancy Percy of the Folsom Preservation Committee

 

notified me that the Committee, the Folsom Historical Society

 

and the Folsom Public Works Department all pressured the

 

City Attorney to file charges against the eBay seller. However,

 

no one around seemed to have any memory or knowledge of

 

the marker. Therefore, the City Attorney could not establish

 

that the marker had been stolen from the City. It could have

 

been "rescued" earlier when Greenback Lane was under

 

County jursdiction, in which case the City would have

 

never owned it."

 

 

 

I applaud their attempts. The seller was apparently not very

 

nice about the whole issue, and neither the seller or buyer have

 

replied to my requests for contact. The fact that the seller almost

 

bragged about recently destroying a marker to get at the

 

medallion makes it worse.

 

 

 

Maybe issues like this will lead to the Lincoln Highway

 

Association discussing the whole issue of the private ownership

 

of the markers. In 1934 Gael Hoag, the Field Secretary of

 

the Lincoln Highway Association (and yes there still was some

 

LHA activity after 1928) wrote letters to the Governors of the

 

12 Lincoln Highway states with markers (never had any New

 

York), and asked them to protect the markers.

 

 

 

What happened .........over the years the right of ways came

 

under local jurisdiction, road worker when working on the LH

 

pitched the markers, or stored them in their storage sheds, or

 

buried them as concrete scrap. In other state with lots of markers

 

people would just yank 'em out with rope, throw 'em in their truck

 

and take 'em home! People just forgot their importance, and any

 

chain of concern with the local municipality or state was broken.

 

 

 

I challenge all LHA members with markers to donate them back

 

to the LHA to be re-erected on or near an original site in a manner

 

that they can be protected, like they did in Warsaw, IN. You can

 

take a big tax deduction at the same time you are preserving

 

history. Remember the markers were supposed to represent a

 

permanent marking of the actual route of the Lincoln Highway.

 

 

 

Ok, I'm stepping off my, not soap-box, my Lincoln Highway

 

cigar box.

 

 

 

A page about the 1919 Transcontinental Motor Convoy on the

 

Lincoln Highway:

 

http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/1919.htm

 

 

 

Utah markers along their historic trails:

 

http://xrl.us/cijr

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote:

 

> What a great travelblog. I started at the beginning, followed along

 

through

 

> Nashville, then skipped ahead to get up to date. I'll try to follow

 

along

 

> (within a day or three) from here on. Plus I need to find time to

 

catch up

 

> on the big chunk in between.

 

 

 

Yes, it does take some time to read it all. I've been reading it from

 

the start. He updates it every 2 or 3 days, as he finds motels with

 

Internet access (and as he has time).

 

 

 

>

 

> I couldn't find an address but I assume you are in contact with Jon.

 

If so,

 

> could you ask him for any good leads on a '63 Elf?

 

 

 

Sure! LOL

 

Jim

 

 

 

>

 

> Denny Gibson

 

> Cincinnati, OH

 

> www.DennyGibson.com

 

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I'm not sure that all of the Trace can be matched with modern routes.

 

Between Wheeling & Zanesville, most of it became the National Road then

 

US-40 and US-22 roughly follows it out of Zanesville but beyond that I can't

 

say. Frank Brusca's US-40 site has this

 

http://www.route40.net/history/zane.shtml

 

 

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: [mailto:egyptianzipper@aol.com]

 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:42 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Ohio River

 

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>

 

> In a message dated 8/10/05 8:45:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

> denny@dennygibson.com writes:

 

> Maysville, on the KY side, is

 

> where the area's first "road", Zane's Trace, ended

 

> =====================================================================

 

> Would that be what is now US 68?

 

>

 

> Tom Hoffman

 

> Pearisburg VA

 

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Was it you or the bridge? As I said, that bridge has been known to move--it

 

is not the most stable of structures; I am amazed that it has lasted as long

 

as it has! Tsingtao, Kip

 

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Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Those old metal bridges!

 

 

 

 

 

> I crossed the Mississippi River today on the US 60 and was freaking out

 

the

 

> whole time. Normally I like old bridges, but for some reason I was

 

shaking.

 

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Hi Bill,

 

 

 

That is an excellent idea, and we actually thought of that. However,

 

we only thought of it at 4:00 AM the morning we left! LOL We had so

 

much to think about for this trip, dealing with the list while we

 

were away slipped our minds. Normally, we would have thought of that

 

and assigned a moderator sooner.

 

 

 

We hope that there weren't too many problems while we were away. Pat

 

removed some spam and deleted the new member who posted it. The list

 

is now back to its former status: All new members must be approved

 

by Pat or myself, and all new members' posts are moderated for a day

 

or two.

 

 

 

Jennifer Bremer

 

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My search on Google was actually something like "camping Marietta

 

Muskingum" or something like that. It was kind of weird. And

 

somehow that site ended up popping up first on the list. I started

 

reading it and was like, "Woah, this could be a cool trip for some

 

American Road-ers." Me, well, I'm not a water person, personally.

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski

 

Director, 66 Productions

 

Moderator, Historic Roads Preservation

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <thehinge@m...> wrote:

 

> That looks like an excellent road site about the Ohio River

 

> scenic byway, Scott. I'm going to check that out myself.

 

> And under the domain name mathtutorchicago.com....that

 

> would have been tough to find in a search engine when

 

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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:20:38 -0000

 

> "Scott Piotrowski" <rt66prods@y...> wrote:

 

> > I went to Marietta College and can say that the entire

 

> > city is

 

> > wonderful. It's a beautiful area, with a wonderful old

 

> > downtown and

 

> > many quaint old shops. I walk across the Muskingum River

 

> > on the old

 

> > railroad bridge is a must. A visit to the Mound Cemetery

 

> > (I won't

 

> > tell you how many times I was there around midnight!) is

 

> > a must.

 

> > I've heard good things about the Maritime Museum, but I

 

> > don't think

 

> > I ever went. Depending on when you are going, there is a

 

> > Sternwheel

 

> > Festival every year in early September, I believe, that

 

> > is quite

 

> > interesting and entertaining for the entire family.

 

> >

 

> > As for campgrounds in the area, Wolf Run State Park is 28

 

> > miles

 

> > north of Marietta, near Caldwell, just off of I-77. I

 

> > thought that

 

> > there was a campground just north of Marietta along the

 

> > Muskingum

 

> > River, but I couldn't find it in a quick internet search.

 

> > You might

 

> > wish to contact the Chamber of Commerce, though, and ask

 

> > them.

 

> >

 

> > While searching for that campground along the Muskingum,

 

> > I did find

 

> > this link, which I find pretty interesting:

 

> > http://mathtutorchicago.com/ohioriverexpedition/?p=13

 

> >

 

> > Scott Piotrowski

 

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> > good

 

> > > campgrounds (tenting) or any attractions along the way

 

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Denny

 

I grew up in Willoughby. My dad grew up half in Cleveland (near

 

West Side) and half in Ashtabula. My mom, well, she's a hillbilly

 

(I use that term affectionately everyone, so no one get upset with

 

it!) having grown up in Weston, WV. I spent a lot of time in the

 

summers growing up on the road back and forth between Willoughby and

 

Weston (and other parts of West Virginia), and was pretty happy to

 

discover Marietta College when my school searching began. It has a

 

great education program, and that is what I was originally studying.

 

 

 

But I digress from the "American Roads" topics here. The Mound is a

 

wonderful, albeit solemn, stop. Our late night excursions there (by

 

the way, it is officially illegal to enter the cemetery after a set

 

hour) were primarily for solitude and quiet.

 

 

 

Yes, the maritime museum is the one you mention below, the Campus

 

Martius Museum. I'd also recommend Blennerhassett Island, but

 

that's only on word-of-mouth, having never actually gotten there

 

myself. For a good place to eat (it's all coming back to me now,

 

those college days!) head across the River (not on the interstate,

 

but on the other road, which I fail to remember what it is) into

 

Williamstown, WV. Just across the road is an Italian restaurant

 

that is pretty darn good. It's on the left, at the light, after

 

crossing the bridge.

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski (a Buckeye by birth, but a Californian at heart!)

 

Director, 66 Productions

 

Moderator, Historic Roads Preservation

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...>

 

wrote:

 

> Hey, Scott, I knew there was something about you I liked; Must be

 

that

 

> Buckeye background;-) I expect great CA pointers from you but now

 

you're

 

> turning me on to stuff in my home state. I've never been to Mound

 

Cemetery

 

> but have put it on my list.

 

>

 

> I assume that the Maritime Museum you mention is the Ohio River

 

Museum. I've

 

> been there and recommend it but, according to their website (

 

> http://www.ohiohistory.org/places/ohriver/ ), it's only open on

 

weekends. Of

 

> course, Marietta is a most interesting and historic town all the

 

time.

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Hi all...

 

 

 

For those of you that were aware of it (or to inform those who

 

weren't!), Pat and I went to Atlanta on Saturday 8/14 so I could have

 

surgery with an endometriosis specialist, of whom there's only about

 

25 in the country.

 

 

 

For more on endometriosis, a chronic, incurable and debilitating

 

disease affecting about 15% of all women, click here:

 

http://www.centerforendo.com/QandA.htm I ask that you share this

 

website with any women you know so you will be aware of the symptoms

 

of this disease. The majority of doctors are sadly misinformed about

 

this disease and the treatment options. I am on a personal mission

 

to make more people aware of this disease, obtain a proper diagnosis

 

and obtain the right treatment and hopefully live as pain-free a life

 

as possible!

 

 

 

I'd been through 1 extremely unsuccessful surgery which left me WORSE

 

off! But after doing some research, I found an excellent surgical

 

treatment with high success rates. Being that true specialists in

 

this disease are rare (there's only around 25 in the country and none

 

are in my HMO network), I was afraid I would be stuck with the

 

current drug and surgical treatments ordinary doctors provide (which

 

are NOT promising and surprisingly more harmful than helpful).

 

However, after pursuing the issue, I learned that I could fight my

 

HMO to get the right treatment with a specialist in endometriosis. I

 

fought for 5 months with calls, faxes, and tons of documentation - I

 

jumped through a bunch of hoops by seeing various in network docs,

 

second opinion, tests, etc...but I finally prevailed. They approved

 

me at 100% to go to an out of network specialist. So, I had the

 

surgery last Wednesday and the doctor said I have about a 95% chance

 

of no further problems!! Time will tell, since I am still healing

 

from surgery and am still feeling fairly out of it. I'll be

 

recovering for at least a couple more weeks.

 

 

 

If you, or anyone you know has any symptoms on the website listed

 

above and would like to know more, please feel free to e-mail me any

 

time. I would be glad to help, since I cannot sit by and let women

 

suffer in pain with poor treatment options.

 

 

 

Off to go back to rest....

 

 

 

Jennifer Bremer

 

http://www.roadtripmemories.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, laurelrk66@a... wrote:

 

> Pat Bremer just typed out a very short text message on Jen's cell

 

phone to

 

> let me know that she is out of surgery, which lasted three hours,

 

and all is

 

> well. The outlook is very good. He asked me to pass the word to

 

all their

 

> roadie friends. I'm always happy to pass along that kind of news!

 

>

 

> Laurel Kane

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Guest David Backlin

According to James Baughn's Midwest Places site, the bridge is functionally

 

obsolete with a sufficiency rating: 43.90 .

 

 

 

Maybe it WAS the bridge ... or maybe it was both of us ;)

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: <rudkip@sbcglobal.net>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:58 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Those old metal bridges!

 

 

 

 

 

> Was it you or the bridge? As I said, that bridge has been known to

 

> move--it

 

> is not the most stable of structures; I am amazed that it has lasted as

 

> long

 

> as it has! Tsingtao, Kip

 

>

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