Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 no no you have it totally wrong, if there is going to be any sweet stuff with peanut butter it has to be RASPBERRY JAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 H TJ, Sounds like you're from the Northeast somewhere. Here's a couple of nice gentle drives, right here in the state of Maine: Like route 109 from Wells to Center Sandwich, NH - this is a beautiful journey, and short enough for a day trip, up thru the mill town of Sanford, past Mousam Lake and across the NH/ME state line into Wakefield and Sanbornville finally passing thru the resort town of Wolfeboro on Lake Winnapausaukee and on to its end at Center Sandwich. As I say, a nice day trip - but better enjoyed if you have several days as there is much to see and do within a short distance of the original route. Then there's route 35 from Kennebunk, winding up thru a multitude of small towns, like Goodwins Mills, Hollis Center, Standish on up to the Sebago Lake region and North Windam, where it shares Route 302 west bound, itself a nice drive, but more upgraded than 35, finally ending at a Junction with U S 2 in Bethel. We tend to concentrate on the major interstate U S highways, such as 20, 30, 40, etc, but there are many, many local routes, such as 109 and 35, thruout the country that can qualify as "roads less traveled." So to all you roadies out there I say get out on a weekend and travel some of these local routes and tell us what you find. Welcome aboard, TJ. Hudsonly Alex B --- shunpiker15 <shunpiker15@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hullo, everyone. TJ here. > > I am glad to have found your group. Since I really, > really enjoy > traveling old roads -- for their scenic or historic > or cultural > appeal. > > Like Connecticut Route 146, which meanders > beautifully through salt > marshes just a couple of miles south of dreadful > I-95. And > Pennsylvania Route 897, which goes north-south > through Lancaster > County, a much more enjoyable axis there than the > busy east-west ones. > And the original Battle Road at Concord, Mass., > which goes through > lush woods and alongside old stone walls and past > 250-year old > buildings, all parallel to modern Route 2A. (Except > 2A does give us > Ralph Waldo Emerson's house and Louisa May Alcott's > house and, if you > look closely, Ephraim Bull's house -- he the gentle > farmer who > developed the Concord Grape so that we can have that > fine American > delicacy, peanut butter and jelly on white.) > > Would any of you care to take up this kind of > discussion? I'd love to > learn of other really appealing drives. > > Thanks! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dave, You said in your message you like to drive and see things, but earlier you mentioned the "actual road" rather than the roadside. The reasons why people enjoy taking road trips are diverse - those reasons are found not only on the road, but along the roadside - and with the people along the road. Some travelers enjoy roadside architecture of diners and motels and neon signs; some like the road food and don't care about the actual buildings; some like seeing small towns, going shopping, souvenir shops or antique stores (I like soda foundtains and confectioneries); others like going to attractions; some like talking about portland concrete or highway numbering systems. Some talk about preservation of buildings, roads and bridges. Some like feeling the road beneath them, the thumping of the seams in the road; maveuvering the curves; some like cities; some people like mountains, trees and streams; others like the desert. Many people enjoy meeting the people on the road who run roadside businesses. I have met many people and made many friends along the roadside, which is the best part to me. *Everyone's* stories, including yours, about their road trips are welcome, whether they are eloquently written, or in travelogue format, or whatever. If you don't like talk about the roadside, diners or motels, that's OK. No list or discussion is going to appeal to everyone, and you can choose to read only certain posts which are of interest to you. However, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't post about what they enjoy about road trips and I don't want any posts to be discouraged. Jennifer Bremer AR List Co-Host http://www.roadtripmemories.com --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/4/03 2:03:56 PM, jabremer66@a... writes: > > << > > 1. NO FLAMING! Flaming is any derogatory or insulting remark directed > > at another list member. >> > > dave here, just wondering...I don't suppose this means > we can insult the entire group...just wondering > > there has been little of interest to me lately here, lots of petty concerns... > but I did enjoy the latest from new member TJ titled backroading... > > He writes > > Would any of you care to take up this kind of discussion? I'd love to > > learn of other really appealing drives. > > He was referring to travelogues and descriptive road writing. > Well I would enjoy this, I get bored reading about some motel > or diner, people seem more interested in the roadside than in > the actual road, this is typical. > > The driving experience is not static and it is good to remember > that a road GOES somewhere. > > Now for what some may consider a group insult, I keep reading > about the 'dreadful interstate' and the 'boring superslab' > while I believe the modern freeway represents the pinnacle > of more than two thousand years of highway engineering. > (you can still drive on the original Via Appia) > > Maybe if I had to live in the midwest I would feel different > about miles of monotony but here in WA some of the best > views of the landscape are available from good old I-5... > > I watched them build the thing back in the 60s and have > tracked the modifications since, it is never boring. > > I don't suppose it just might be possible that the > bias towards two-lane roads is a bit narrow minded and > might betray a lack of imagination. (this rules out the > famous Hooker Cut on 66 by the way) Let's just say > everybody has their subjective likes and dislikes... > > I am a fan of ALL roads period, I love to drive and see things, if you > think this post is too insulting drop me from the list...sincerely, dave > > ps let's see more travelogues like from TJ and the Upper Peninsula > memories from Nicole recently, you can expect some from me too > (if I'm still on the list that is...) > > pps I have been collecting postcards actively for thirty years > and have accumulated thousands of road and highway images > and I don't mean roadside, I mean the road as in what you drive on. > This is partly why my spectrum of enthusiasm is wider than that > of the 'two-laners' and the 'roadsiders' and I make no apology for it. > > ppps the post a few weeks back that explained the realities > of real estate transactions with LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS > was quite entertaining and it was refreshing to read > something straightforward that did not mince words. > > pppps My friend the late Jack Carpentier (a great fan of the > Lincoln Highway who some of you may remember) once > described a certain stretch of interstate as 'magnificent,' > he was referring to the loops on Emigrant Hill east of > Pendleton OR. Jack was also cognizant of the fact that > the first freeways are definitely antiques now... > Anybody who has driven Arroyo Seco Pkwy can attest to this > and there are plenty of other examples. A friend who lived in > Pasadena when it was new said people called it 'the speedway' > which makes sense considering it was the only limited access > highway in the area at the time. > > final ps there are no boring roads, only boring people...down in flames, dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Welcome to the group! I agree - peanut butter and jelly on white is an underappreciated delicacy - and it's not just for kids! Jennifer Bremer AR List Co-Host http://www.roadtripmemories.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote: > no no you have it totally wrong, if there is going to > be any sweet stuff with peanut butter it has to be > > RASPBERRY JAM Actually, while I do like grape jelly, my favorite is raspberry preserves (with seeds)! Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 This is a general feeling of driving along a road, and it's something that is found on roads in many areas - I love roads with lots of hills and dips. You don't have to be going too fast, of course, but I like when you're going over a little hill and you get airborne for a second...an extra bonus is when you get that feeling like your stomach's in your throat! Kinda a throwback to when you were a little kid! Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Sometime in October Navigator and I packed our stuff, fired up Big Blue (mint '77 Monte Carlo 350 c.i. V8 that hardly ever sees the light of day), and cruised old '66 to Dwight, IL, one of my boyhood homes. We go there periodically so that I can walk the downtown streets and scratch that itch. Weird, I know, but I have fond memories of the town. After a couple of cold ones at the Rendevous in Dwight we walked to another saloon (can't recall the name) just up the street and, of course, had to explain to all present why we strangers were in their bar. Learned that the building had originally been a Ford dealership (I thought it had been a theater) and that the "shop" had actually been on the second floor; thus, the concrete ceiling. Vehicles were transported to the second floor via elevator because the ground floor had been the showroom. Fascinating stuff! Anyway, one of the ladies at the bar knows the family who currently resides in "my" old house and she gave me their names and phone number. Said they would probably be glad to give me a tour. Didn't have the heart, though, to call perfect strangers and ask if I could walk through their house....but I might someday. Had dinner in the Turtle Tap's dining room (one wall filled with murals of '66 and IL places and events) and for the first time ever had the evening special of all-you-can-eat fried chicken with hot spagetti on the side. Great combination and nearly as tasty as steak and spagetti. Navigator wanted to use a different route for the return trip so we headed west on IL 17 through Wenona and then stopped at Lacon on the Illinois River. Very nice park by the river bridge. So far we had seen miles and miles of flat IL farmland, but then, that's okay too. Heading west again we cruised through Wyoming and Toulon before turning south on 78. The landscape began to change to more hills as we went farther south. Stopped in a couple of burgs (can't recall their names) just so we could walk around the small downtown areas. Both had functioning movie theaters! Stopped in Havana in search of riverside lodging but found nothing. Very disappointing and we hit the road again on our quest for lodging because we wanted to spend the rest of the day sitting on a balcony overlooking the river. Alas, this was not to be. Cruised west on 136 and then turned south on 100, a fabulous narrow, scenic river road. Stopped in Beardstown, still searching for riverside lodging and were disappointed with the lack of same. Did visit the Elks Lodge, though, and again congratulated ourselves on how smart we are for having that worldwide lodge passport for less than forty bucks per year. We were only an hour from Pittsfield, our childhood home, so headed south and then west on old U.S. 36 to spend the night there. Stayed at the Green Acres Motel that was once owned by my aunt and uncle and where I used to cut grass for seventy-five cents per hour. Visited one of the local saloons, former site of a pool room where I misspent part of my youth, and struck up conversations with the locals and were soon playing "remember when" and "remember who." Lots of fun taking that particular time travel and comforting to once again be a "local" with roots. This is especially enjoyable if one is a former high school athlete because we are still REMEMBERED. Great for the ego! This is opposed to currently being anonymous in St. Louis County after having lived here for over 30 years. I like that too, however. It rained the next morning for a dreary return trip to St. Louis and got Big Blue dirty. Hate it when that happens. All in all, though, a very fun trip....Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shunpiker15 Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thanks to Dave and Alex and Jennifer for the kind words and the encouragement. You don't know how much I love this subject. Dave, coming from someone as cranky as you, the praise is a compliment of the highest kind. Alex, I am familiar with parts of the routes you describe. I have driven Wolfeboro to Center Sandwich on 109, with diversions here and there, like Castle in the Clouds. The Sandwiches are delightful. Here we go again with Sandwiches. Dave, you can pair peanut butter with raspberry jam or peach jam or -- what do I care? -- traffic jam. I mentioned Concord grapes 'cause of the old Ephraim Bull homestead on Mass. Route 2A. Anyway, back to your post, Alex. I have done the portion of Route 35 through the lovely Waterfords to Bethel. Ahh, the foothills of the White Mountains. I have a couple of other really good Maine roads to recommend: Route 219 between North Waterford and Wayne, and Route 32 from China Lake down to New Harbor. I have a fondness for Waldoboro, where five-masters were once built in its tiny harbor (!), and where you can spend delirious hours at the museum the Historical Society maintains, complete with one-room schoolhouse, Paul Revere bell, and scads of old Maine country artifacts kept with great devotion over the years by the volunteers. Fifty paces away from the museum is the original town pound, where stray animals were kept long, long ago. It is in absolutely beautiful condition. Made of great slabs of granite, balanced one atop another (without mortar) to form a pen 15' square. Poundkeepers were probably boys whose modest wages came from the fines they collected from the animals' owners. I know of two other extant pounds, both in New Hampshire. You could only stumble on them if you are backroading. New Harbor, where 32 ends, is just a few miles from Pemaquid Point, one of my favorite places ever ever ever. Pictures, anyone? Go here: http://www.lighthouse.cc/pemaquid/thumbs.html Regards to all. TJ (in really snowy New York). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shunpiker15 Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Oh, I forgot to mention that Waldoboro (Maine) -- cited in my post of four hours previous -- should be pronounced "Valdoboro," since it was settled by Germans. Who, before leaving their homeland, were told by the guy that sold them the deed to their piece of America, that they could move to Paradise. As Alex surely knows, Maine approaches Paradise for what? Three, four, maybe five months a year? It is otherwise downright COLD. Or, as Mainers see it, there are two seasons in Maine. Winter and July. Anyway, the denizens of Waldoboro have made the best of it. It is a beautiful place. Thanks, everyone. TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Pat, Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never mind the car race! That is great what the city has done with the bridge. There is a group of 66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our cookbook pal Marian Clark, working with the city of Tulsa to embrace the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the same way. The good news is that with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to Tulsa in 2004, there is now active discussion taking place about getting the bridge ready for that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy people in touch with the Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was done there. If so, I can put you in touch with Marian. Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a regular in American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the premier issue is fast taking shape. Stay tuned . . . Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Jim, That's good to hear Tulsa is finally taking care of that treasure. Every time I've gone through Tulsa and passed the 11th St. bridge, I feared it would meet a dubious end. For a mid-size city, Indianapolis does have a lot of good road heritage, with six US highways. Unfortunately, not one of them go through the heart of the city anymore...they're all looped around the beltway interstate. But thanks to an old Standard Oil map predating the evil I's, I've been able to get a handle on the pathes all six took through the city. One was just down the street from our house, but I'm afraid US 136 doesn't light a fire under too many folks when it comes to highway lore. :-) Give our regards to the Ma Road! Pat --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@e...> wrote: > Pat, > > Nice post. You live in a city with a lot of road history, never mind the car race! That is great what the city has done with the bridge. There is a group of 66ers here in Oklahoma, headed by our cookbook pal Marian Clark, working with the city of Tulsa to embrace the 1916 11th Street Bridge in the same way. The good news is that with the coming of the Steinbeck Awards to Tulsa in 2004, there is now active discussion taking place about getting the bridge ready for that event. It would be great if you could put the Indy people in touch with the Tulsa people so we Oklahomans can see how it was done there. If so, I can put you in touch with Marian. > > Speaking of the National Road, as most of you know, it will be a regular in American Road magazine. In fact, the lineup for the premier issue is fast taking shape. Stay tuned . . . > > Jim R. > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Is there a way to procure/purchase a copy of the picture of the Arch on the roadside photos.com website (my computer is a dinosaur, so the picture doesn't come out as clear as I would like)...it has changed a bit since 1992--especially the building behind it--would like to get a copy if possible...thank you, Kip Welborn ----- Original Message ----- From: DougP001@aol.com To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Digest Number 41 In a message dated 2/1/2003 5:16:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes: > > My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S. 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming > MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri Arkansas border is something to > behold and if I had a computer that could put the pic on line I would do > so! Delurking for a moment... Here's a shot of that arch from my site: <A HREF="http://roadsidephotos.com/old/1992-706a.jpg">http://roadsidephotos.com/old /1992-706a.jpg</A> roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of travelogues from my drives along the old roads. It will eventually have a lot more images, organized thematically -- I'm slowly working my way through over 7,000 photos and 5,000 postcards. Enjoy! - Doug Pappas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ypsislim Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 If anyone wants more info. about the U. S. 40 Today book I put up a one page website - go to: www.lincolnhighway.info slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 who cares about spam I want to hear about single slab cement concrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Brusca Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I've been wondering the same thing. Three other Yahoo groups to which I subscribe are relatively spam-free! Frank Brusca -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:mike@catsupbottle.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:21 AM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] What is it about American Road? What is it about the American Road yahoo group that it is getting all this awful spam? Please don't think I'm thinking it's anyone's fault or roadmaven responsibility to deal with it or anything... it's just interesting to me that I wonder why it's always American Road. I belong to probably a dozen or so Yahoo Groups and this is the only one that this keeps happening to. Any ideas? Catsup Bottle Mike Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Smith Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 It's bad luck, that's all. I am in 44 Yahoo! Groups, and while almost all of them are spam-free, that is because I tend to leave the groups that have excessive spam problems. In some cases, I create a new group to replace the spam-ridden ones, and I do my best to make sure the new group does not have the same problems. Actually, that is partly how I have come to be the owner of 10 Groups myself. Just my 2 cents... David Smith a.k.a. Bir'd'in --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:21:07 From: mike@catsupbottle.com To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Cc: What is it about the American Road yahoo group that it is getting all this awful spam? Please don't think I'm thinking it's anyone's fault or roadmaven responsibility to deal with it or anything... it's just interesting to me that I wonder why it's always American Road. I belong to probably a dozen or so Yahoo Groups and this is the only one that this keeps happening to. Any ideas? Catsup Bottle Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Piotrowski Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Pat Looking forward to hearing about your trip on your return. I, too, get to go on a bit of a road trip this weekend. Unfortunately, though, tonight we are superslabbing up to Sacramento on I-5. Hopefully on the return on Sunday I'll get to take 99 back. Depends on how late we actually get on the road to return. On another note, we went up 395 a couple of weeks ago to Bishop. We spent two nights in Lone Pine and went into Death Valley. Has anyone driven into Death Valley from the west? That approach road is deceptive. First, you cross the Owens Valley and then climb the first mountain range. Then you drop into the Panamint Valley before crossing the Panamint Mountains. All four grades are at least 7% and one is 9%! Unbelieveable. Fortunately, Heather (yes, my car has a name!) was able to make the climb. Surprisingly she liked the downhill even less. But even she would agree that it was well worth the hassles! Death Valley is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL destination, and one that we will surely get back to. (Yes, this was a blatant attempt to bring this group back on topic!) Scott Piotrowski, Director 66 Productions www.66productions.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ted Bachman Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Scott, I drove that road about 10 years ago.......thanks for the memory jog. One thing that comes to mind is the fabulous view from the scenic overlook on the east side of the valley. I recall sitting & staring at the valley, studying the details for a couple of hours. Fabulous!! Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Piotrowski To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Road Trips Pat Looking forward to hearing about your trip on your return. I, too, get to go on a bit of a road trip this weekend. Unfortunately, though, tonight we are superslabbing up to Sacramento on I-5. Hopefully on the return on Sunday I'll get to take 99 back. Depends on how late we actually get on the road to return. On another note, we went up 395 a couple of weeks ago to Bishop. We spent two nights in Lone Pine and went into Death Valley. Has anyone driven into Death Valley from the west? That approach road is deceptive. First, you cross the Owens Valley and then climb the first mountain range. Then you drop into the Panamint Valley before crossing the Panamint Mountains. All four grades are at least 7% and one is 9%! Unbelieveable. Fortunately, Heather (yes, my car has a name!) was able to make the climb. Surprisingly she liked the downhill even less. But even she would agree that it was well worth the hassles! Death Valley is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL destination, and one that we will surely get back to. (Yes, this was a blatant attempt to bring this group back on topic!) Scott Piotrowski, Director 66 Productions www.66productions.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jandk@livinggoldpress.com Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Yes I agree that drive into Death Valley is incredible, as is the National Park itself. Although I really wouldn't want to be there in August! If you ever have the opportunity go out the north way through Eureka Dunes, do it. Those are SOME DUNES. And I just love 395. Much of it still is a "two lane highway". The old highway section north of Bishop through Rock Creek, Sherwin Grade, and Toms Place is a beaut. Have fantasized about doing a 395 book but we have to finish up with 99 first. (The final volume in the RIbbon of Highway series will be back from the printer in a week). > On another note, we went up 395 a couple of weeks ago to Bishop. We > spent two nights in Lone Pine and went into Death Valley. Has anyone > driven into Death Valley from the west? That approach road is > deceptive. First, you cross the Owens Valley and then climb the > first mountain range. Then you drop into the Panamint Valley before > crossing the Panamint Mountains. All four grades are at least 7% and > one is 9%! Unbelieveable. Fortunately, Heather (yes, my car has a > name!) was able to make the climb. Surprisingly she liked the > downhill even less. But even she would agree that it was well worth > the hassles! Death Valley is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL destination, > and one that we will surely get back to. > > (Yes, this was a blatant attempt to bring this group back on topic!) > > Scott Piotrowski, Director > 66 Productions > www.66productions.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > >Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > >To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 >WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! >Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 >SUBSCRIPTION RATES: >1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 >(save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) >2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 >(save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > >For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > >To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: >AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: >AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 "Saturday, June 6 - The car is loaded - maybe a little crazy to drive cross-country in a 1937 Plymouth coupe, but then kids do the damndest things. Mom still isn't sure this is a good idea - after all I just turned 15 last Sept and Willy a month after. But our Dads say we can go so we'll be on the road in a few minutes. Got to get those last minute words of advice from the folks. Our plan, at the moment, is to start south on the Maine Turnpike to New Hampshire and then route 1 to Boston. From Boston we'll head west out to the mid-west on 20, probably tonight we'll spend the night somewhere in eastern New York. Eventually, in 3 or 4 days we should be on the Mother Road - Route 66 - all the way to California." That's the way it all started, 50 years ago today!! In recent years I've been over some of the roads we traveled on that trip west and back in the summer of '53. And it's sad to relate that it has all changed so much I don't recognize much of anything. Last September my daughter and I drove part of old 66 from Carthage to Springfield, MO. There was nothing I recognized. On one of my trips to see my daughter in Memphis, TN, we drove to Winona, MS, to see if we could locate where she spent her early years - driving down old U S 51 the only thing I could identify was the DeSoto County Court House in Hernando. It would be fun to have the money and the time to drive the route again - but would it really be fun?? I don't really think so - for one thing Willy wouldn't be with me and for another it has changed to much to mean anything. As I related earlier my mother put away all my "childhood" things in the nearest trash can when I left to go into the Navy in 1955 - and the photos I had and the journal I kept went with them. But we have the memory and on occasion someone will post a msg with something that stirs that memory - we will be content with that. Just to say we did it is an accomplishment. 15 years old and on the road for 3 months. What a summer!! Hudsonly, Alex B PS. It was about, oh, 10 years later, around 1963. I was, by then, in the Coast Guard after serving in the Navy for 4 years, and was stationed on a weather ship in Portland. Dad and I got to talking about this and that and the road trip came up. Dad, with a twinkle in his eye, said "How was it working for a week in that house of ill repute in Nevada?" (Willy was a pretty good piano player and I, at that time, had a pretty good voice - so we were hired for a week to play and sing for the, er, customers of the house. The local sheriff made damn sure the girls didn't go near us - oh darn. LOL) I almost fell thru the floor and wanted to know how he knew about it. It was then that I learned that Dad, being a ham radio nut, had been keeping track of Willy and me all the way across country thru his ham friends. He made sure we were being looked after, even if we didn't know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kevin Potter Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Scott, Haven't done much 'tripping' since our move to Castaic, Ca. However, we have started hitting some of the local roads: Lake Hughes Rd. A sparce but well maintained road. Drove this to Lake Elizabeth Rd & had lunch at Harley's Rock Inn. Val & I liked this place. We definitely drew a few looks since we weren't in 'Harley black' & drove up in a PT Cruiser. Still, I'd recommend stopping there. http://www.harleysrockinn.com/ Ridge Route Drove this to Templin Hwy. Sign on the Ridge Route north indicated rough road/closed. Then took Templin Hwy east to where it is barricaded. I guess I'd need an Adventure Pass to continue. I haven't found much on the web about where Templin Hwy continues thh barricade. Wrnt west on Templin to Hwy 99. Hwy 99 Just a short drive north of Templin Hwy to a barricade. Is this where Pyramid lake is & 99 is submerged? Hwy 138 & 58 Drove these on the way to Las Vegas. A good alternative to Hwy 14 & 138 to the I15. Hwy 58 at Mojave runs by an air field which the commercial airlines (& probably others) store aircraft. A lot of aircraft was sent there right after 9/11. On the south side is Edwards Air Force base. In one section where 58 is a 4 lane hwy is a lone 'Cafe' sign. I have not gotten out to look for any foundation or possibly it's old artifacts. I'm hoping you can answer my questions & add some info to the various locations I've mentioned. Kevin Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hi Scott! I hear ya about those grades. If you can, next time take CA 120 west from 395, and check out that GRADE going to Tuolumne Meadows. Going down is simply incredible! the landrunner --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Piotrowski" <rt66prods@y...> wrote: > .... All four grades are at least 7% and > one is 9%! Unbelieveable. Fortunately, Heather (yes, my car has a > name!) was able to make the climb. Surprisingly she liked the > downhill even less. But even she would agree that it was well worth > the hassles! Death Valley is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL destination, > and one that we will surely get back to. > > (Yes, this was a blatant attempt to bring this group back on topic!) > > Scott Piotrowski, Director > 66 Productions > www.66productions.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Kevin, Is that lone cafe sign on the north side of 58 about 6-8 miles east of Mojave? If so, the building was also there about 6 years ago or so. Don't know why all the effort to tear it down since it was the only thing out in that desert field. Maybe was an insurance liabilty thing. Still, the old sign looks cool to take a pic of with the desolate scenery in the background. I've driven that 14 and 138 section many times. These days, I prefer the 14, 138 (PearBlossum Hwy) and 18 route. Going through Littlerock and Pearblossum is always a treat. There's a number of great antique shops where one fellow has roadsigns for sale. (You'll see him on Ebay occaisionally). The open market there is chock full with a huge fruit and vegetable bounty. One other note too, last time I went through there last fall, Pearblossum had the cheapest petro that I found in California! God Bless and Happy Trails. the landrunner <http://www.postmarkart.com> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Potter" <oldroad@s...> wrote: > > > Drove these on the way to Las Vegas. A good alternative to Hwy > 14 & 138 to the I15. Hwy 58 at Mojave runs by an air field which > the commercial airlines (& probably others) store aircraft. A lot > of aircraft was sent there right after 9/11. On the south side is Edwards Air Force base. > > In one section where 58 is a 4 lane hwy is a lone 'Cafe' sign. > I have not gotten out to look for any foundation or possibly it's old artifacts. > > I'm hoping you can answer my questions & add some info to the various locations I've mentioned. > > Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dennis Steinert Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 You can check the road conditions in Angeles NF here: http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/conditions...ions-road.shtml I think the Ridge Route is open, that closed sign is always there. Going east on Templin Highway you used to be able to go to Castaic Lake, but it was closed at the request of the MWD to protect the power plant from vandalism. Likewise with the road up to the dam at Pyramid Lake. You used to be able to walk or ride a bicycle the remaining mile or so to the dam, but I haven't been there for some time, and the post 9/11 restrictions may have permanently closed that area. I used to take 58 when I would visit my dad when he lived in Vegas. I liked it better before the Barstow bypass was made. If you know where to turn, you can still travel the old road. It used to join 15 east of Barstow, allowing one to bypass the 15/40 junction. The kids and I would occasionally stop at the Idle Spurs steakhouse in Barstow on the way home, especially at sunset. - Dennis Sylmar, CA -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Potter [mailto:oldroad@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 14:04 To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Road Trips Scott, Haven't done much 'tripping' since our move to Castaic, Ca. However, we have started hitting some of the local roads: Lake Hughes Rd. A sparce but well maintained road. Drove this to Lake Elizabeth Rd & had lunch at Harley's Rock Inn. Val & I liked this place. We definitely drew a few looks since we weren't in 'Harley black' & drove up in a PT Cruiser. Still, I'd recommend stopping there. http://www.harleysrockinn.com/ Ridge Route Drove this to Templin Hwy. Sign on the Ridge Route north indicated rough road/closed. Then took Templin Hwy east to where it is barricaded. I guess I'd need an Adventure Pass to continue. I haven't found much on the web about where Templin Hwy continues thh barricade. Wrnt west on Templin to Hwy 99. Hwy 99 Just a short drive north of Templin Hwy to a barricade. Is this where Pyramid lake is & 99 is submerged? Hwy 138 & 58 Drove these on the way to Las Vegas. A good alternative to Hwy 14 & 138 to the I15. Hwy 58 at Mojave runs by an air field which the commercial airlines (& probably others) store aircraft. A lot of aircraft was sent there right after 9/11. On the south side is Edwards Air Force base. In one section where 58 is a 4 lane hwy is a lone 'Cafe' sign. I have not gotten out to look for any foundation or possibly it's old artifacts. I'm hoping you can answer my questions & add some info to the various locations I've mentioned. Kevin Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JEFF MEYER Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Hi in today today chicagosun-times there a story about the Lincoln Highway in travel By Dave Hoekstra.go to suntimes.com then to travel then drive-though americanna.Thanks Jeff Meyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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