Guest Victoria Stone Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 My name is Victoria and I work for Oklahoma Today magazine. I'm trying to compile a fun list for our next issue - which is a Route 66 issue - of road or driving lingo. An example of something would be a "cowboy air conditioner" which is a bandana soaked in ice-cold water and tied around either your head or neck. Clever sayings or slang words, anything of this type. If anyone can think of anything please let me know. My editors would like about 30 and as of now I have about 2, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim conkle Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Hi Victoria, Good idea for a story and I am sure that you will get more then you need from this group. One is the word 'roadies' not to be confused with the young people that follow a rock star around. All of us that are in someway involved with old roads are called 'roadies'. Another is one that was used to describe dishwashers at the Greyhound bus depots along the roads. A 'pearl diver' I know this as one of my jobs when I was young was washing dishes, pots and pans at one of those establishments. I would appreciate knowing what your final list of lingo words looks like. Please share them with us. Thanks James M Conkle CEO Route 66 Preservation Foundation Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760 617 3991 760 868 8614 fax 760 868 3320 jimconkle@verizon.net www.cart66pf.org -----Original Message----- From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Victoria Stone Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:57 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Road and/or driving lingo My name is Victoria and I work for Oklahoma Today magazine. I'm trying to compile a fun list for our next issue - which is a Route 66 issue - of road or driving lingo. An example of something would be a "cowboy air conditioner" which is a bandana soaked in ice-cold water and tied around either your head or neck. Clever sayings or slang words, anything of this type. If anyone can think of anything please let me know. My editors would like about 30 and as of now I have about 2, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Business finance course Business to business finance Small business finance Business finance consultant Business finance schools Business finance schools ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "AMERICAN_ROAD" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 The Auto Club guys visited Laurel today. You go girl! http://www.aaa-calif.com/travel/promo/campaign/r66_day08.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Forrest Bone Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Tin Can Tourists Caravan Celebrating the Bicentennial Anniversary of the Historic National Road The Tin Can Tourists have been honored by the Six State Alliance of the Historic National Road by being chosen to participate in the Bicentennial Celebration. TCT in conjunction with the Six State Alliance have chosen 30 vintage trailers and motor coaches to travel the road from June 4-10, 2006 from mile marker zero in Cumberland, Maryland to its original terminus in Vandalia, Illinois. The selected RV’s will represent some of the industries premier manufactures from Airstream to Vagabond. Tow vehicles of similar vintage will tow many of the rigs. The Caravan will give people along the route a chance to see a rare Curtiss Aero Car towed by a custom International for the late 1930’s and a 1936 Bowlus Road Chief towed by a 1937 Buick Roadmaster as well as other fine examples of trailers and motor coaches from the 40’s 50’s and 60’s. The Historic National Road In 1806, an Act of Congress allocated funds for George Washington’s Dream of building an all-weather road across the Allegany Mountains and into the heart of the frontier. President Thomas Jefferson signed the bill into law and The National Road; the nation’s first federally funded interstate highway was born. The road would eventually stretch for more than 800 miles and cross six states from its beginning at Baltimore, Maryland to its termination at the Mississippi in East St. Louis, Illinois. Construction of the road began in 1811 at Cumberland, Maryland extending the already existing route from the seaport of Baltimore. It was know first as The Cumberland Road but has since been known by several names including The Great National Pike, The Old National Road and The National Trail. It took more than 25 years to complete as it crept across Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and eventually Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. Unlike many privately built roads of this era, this one was free to travel. By 1818, the road had reached Wheeling, then part of Virginia. West of Wheeling, the route continued on the path of Zane’s Trace, the first road in Ohio. An important aspect of The Historic National Road is the fact that many of the earlier Indian trails and colonial routes were interwoven into the road alignment, thus preserving their legacy. By the late 1830’s, a lack of funds halted construction at the Ohio and Indiana border. In 1939, it finally reached Vandalia, then the Illinois state capital and the western end of the road. It was later completed to East St. Louis, opening a link to the water route of the Mississippi. In the 1850’s, the increased popularity of railroads caused the road to go into decline. The National Road remained unimproved until the 1930’s, when it was paved and renamed “Route 40”. From 1950 to the 1970’s, a new limited-access highway system was constructed to parallel this famous old highway. Interstate Highways 68 and 70 became the main routes through this area. The age of high-speed travel had bypassed the history and charm of “Route 40”. Today, however, those interested in its preservation are rejuvenating this historic corridor. In 2000, this road was named a National Scenic Byway by the U.S. Federal Government and in 2002 it was designated an All American Road by the Federal Highway Administration and now is know as The Historic National Road. If you spend some time and travel this road today, you will be treated to countless quaint, cultural and Historic venues along this – “ road that built the nation”. Tin Can Tourists: A Brief History The Tin Can Tourists were organized at Desoto Park, Tampa, Florida, in 1919. They received the official state charter a year later. The groups stated objective was “to unite fraternally all autocampers”. Their guiding principles were clean camps, friendliness among campers, decent behavior and to secure plenty of clean, wholesome entertainment from those in camp. The group known for the soldered tin can on their radiator caps grew rapidly during the twenties and thirties. Members could be inducted fellow campers through an initiation process that taught the prospective member the secret handshake, sign, and password. After singing the official song “The More We Get Together” the trailerite was an official member of the Tin Can Tourists of the World. Summer reunions were held at various Midwest locations, with Traverse City, Michigan serving as a primary host city. The club spent winters at Desoto Park until 1924. Because locals grew tired of their park being over run with northerners, the park was closed a month early in March. The canners took the hint and moved the Winter Convention to Arcadia, where the community had built a municipal park especially for the Tin Can Tourists. By 1932, with, membership estimates ranging from 30,000 to 100,000, city Chambers of Commerce were actively pursuing TCT to choose their community for either Homecoming, Winter Convention or Going Home meets. The Winter Convention was the best attended and was an economic boon to the host community. Sarasota had its eye on the prize and lured the Convention away from Arcadia in 1932. The vote on the Winter Convention site was hotly contested. Many Canners were loyal to Arcadia, the town that wanted them after their ejection from Tampa. A 250 strong car caravan let by Sarasota’s mayor and other public officials, help swing the vote selecting Sarasota as the Winter Convention site for 1932. As a concession to those that favored Arcadia, it was designated as the official site for Homecoming festivities. In 1938, the mayor of Sarasota indicated that the national perception that Sarasota was a tin can tourist’s town was hurting the community and that he would not renew the Winter Convention contract. Tampa offered the canners a five-year deal to return to Tampa. It was accepted and the Winter Convention returned to specially built Municipal Park. The group faced membership declines due to combination of factors, (1) a schism with in the ranks and the formation of ATA, the Automobile Tourists Association, (2) an economic recession in 1939 that greatly diminished the number of trailer manufactures, and (3) the onset of World War II. Winter Convention photograph depict a much smaller group in 1948 at Tampa. The original groups “Swan Song” convention was held in Eustis, Florida in 1968. By the mid-70’s the club was no longer in existence in any form. In 1998, Forrest and Jeri Bone renewed the club as an all make and model vintage trailer and motor coach club. The renewal gathering was held at Camp Dearborn, Milford, Michigan. Twenty-one rigs attended the May Renewal Gathering. By the end of the year, fifty members were accepted as charter members of the renewed version of the Tin Can Tourists. The group has grown steadily, currently holding Annual Gatherings in Michigan, Florida, and regional rallies at various locations in the US. Recently Regional Representatives have been added to represent England, Japan and France. The new version of Tin Can Tourists is open to all. Its goal is to abide by the original group’s objectives and guiding principles as well as the promotion and preservation of vintage trailers and motor coaches through Gatherings and information exchange. For additional information concerning the Caravan or Tin Can Tourists membership inquiries, visit us at tincantourists.com or via email at f23bone@earthlink.net. For those without computer access, call Forrest or Jeri during the summer at 248-684-0393 or winter 941-748-1483. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest egyptianzipper@aol.com Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 In a message dated 5/25/05 10:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ebayjunkie@bellsouth.net writes: There's a Lee Highway in Northern Virginia, I think it's Route 7. Near DC, it's nothing to speak about, but I think it heads out toward the beginning of Skyline Drive...that's probably the Lee Highway the bluegrass song is about. =================================================================== Lee Highway was US Routes 29 and 211 in the Virginia suburbs of Washington. It's still called that, although US 211 is no longer signed as such east of Warrenton. In central and southwestern Virginia, Lee Highway is US Route 11. It's called that in many towns, and along rural stretches as well. So I assume Lee Highway started at the beginning of 211 in Arlington, followed it to New Market, and hung a left on 11. I don't recall seeing any references to Lee Highway on 11 south of Virginia. Tom Hoffman Pearisburg VA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Those "named" highways certainly did get confusing, didn't they? I can't speak to most of it, but you can learn a bit about the Old Spanish Trail at John Murphey's web site: www.drivetheost.com On another subject, I attended a workshop today in OKC hosted by the Park Service and ODOT. Among the featured speakers was Dan Marriott, preservation planner extrordinaire. Also in attendance were Washington, DC representatives from AASHTO and Federal Highway, Oklahoma SHPO, and a host of other transportation and preservation officials. A lot of the discussion centered on finding ways to strike a balance between preservation and highway construciton/maintenance. I thought it was a very productive meeting and left there feeling positive about the future of our historic roads. Regards, Jim Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parsa9 Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Does anyone know anything on the Lee Highway? I know there's a popular Bluegrass song about it. I also know that it went from New York to San Diego and then up to San Francisco via the Pacific Highway (or El Camino Real). I can't find any image of a highway marker, pole sign, or anything else. Does anyone have a auto trail guide, strip maps, or one of the old Auto Trails and Commerce guides with symbols? Parsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greg Laxton Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 There's a Lee Highway in Northern Virginia, I think it's Route 7. Near DC, it's nothing to speak about, but I think it heads out toward the beginning of Skyline Drive...that's probably the Lee Highway the bluegrass song is about. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: parsa9 To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Lee Highway Does anyone know anything on the Lee Highway? I know there's a popular Bluegrass song about it. I also know that it went from New York to San Diego and then up to San Francisco via the Pacific Highway (or El Camino Real). I can't find any image of a highway marker, pole sign, or anything else. Does anyone have a auto trail guide, strip maps, or one of the old Auto Trails and Commerce guides with symbols? Parsa Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 As we are on the subject of old roads, anybody got any info on the International Pavedway that ran between Michigan and I think Laredo TX...there is a map of it at the 66 museum in Lebanon, MO...it actually runs through St. Louis and down through my home town of Bloomfield, MO, hence the interest...Tsingtao Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Laxton" <ebayjunkie@bellsouth.net> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Lee Highway > There's a Lee Highway in Northern Virginia, I think it's Route 7. Near DC, it's nothing to speak about, but I think it heads out toward the beginning of Skyline Drive...that's probably the Lee Highway the bluegrass song is about. > > Greg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: parsa9 > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:13 PM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Lee Highway > > > > Does anyone know anything on the Lee Highway? > > I know there's a popular Bluegrass song about it. > > I also know that it went from New York to San Diego and then up to San Francisco via the > Pacific Highway (or El Camino Real). > > > I can't find any image of a highway marker, pole sign, or anything else. Does anyone have a > auto trail guide, strip maps, or one of the old Auto Trails and Commerce guides with > symbols? > > Parsa > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 A nice bit of well deserved PR. Hey, someday I might even get there when you're open:-) --Denny > -----Original Message----- > From: [mailto:Bakerhab@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:57 PM > To: ; route66news@yahoogroups.com; > american_road@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Laurel is featured in Day 8 AAA Story > > > The Auto Club guys visited Laurel today. You go girl! > > > http://www.aaa-calif.com/travel/promo/campaign/r66_day08.asp > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Remember that thank-you list to people on Route 66 at the end of the "Cars" film? Well, Pixar e-mailed me the list: http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/06/13...6-inspirations/ Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PJ Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 ~CamPing 06/20/2006~ [~CamPing 06/20/2006~] <http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog/slideshow.h...t2HU0hcawp19NDZ yTK> <http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog/slideshow.h...t2HU0hcawp19NDZ yTK> ...Next Trip... Tues, 20 June @ North Creek then onto Mt Rogers.. North Creek Campground <http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/gp/recreation/...rth_creek.shtml> ...Along the "BlueRidgePkway".. (From I-81 take exit 168 marked Arcadia. Follow VA 614 for 2.9 miles through Arcadia to FS 59. Turn left on FS 59. The campground is 2.4 miles on your right). Then onto Mt.Rogers <http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/mr/index.shtml> Recreation area, (36 38 30 / 81 44 08) & back to North Creek for 2 days... Msg me for dates & more info... http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/gp/recreation/...ed/north_creek/ index.shtml <http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/gp/recreation/...ped/north_creek /index.shtml> http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/mr/index.shtml <http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/mr/index.shtml> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 The 80th Anniversary Festival is in less than two weeks. THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER FOR THE WILL ROGERS AWARDS BANQUET HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO JUNE 20. ABSOLUTELY NO RESERVATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED AFTER THAT DATE. If you haven't already done so, please go to the website and make your Banquet reservations now. www.2006route66festival.com Check the website for additional registration information, or let me know if you have any questions. Registration is still open for the BBQ and the Egroup Breakfast, contact Ken or Mike. BBQ/Pool Party - Ken Turmel thelandrunner@yahoo.com E-group Breakfast - Mike Ward flyboy1946@hotmail.com Thanks, we're looking forward to seeing you in Albuquerque very soon. Helen Baker 818-705-3930 bakerhab at aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich Rheingold Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Name: Richard Palmer Title: Reporter Company: Route 20 Pulse Address: Richfield Springs, New York Telephone: 315-858-5858 FAX: Email: jpalme11@twcny.rr.com Comments Good news for Route 20 - it's now officially a 'Scenic Byway' By Richard Palmer A bill sponsored by Assemblyman Bill Magee (D-Nelson) that would designate State Route 20 from Duanesburg to LaFayette an official scenic byway has passed the Assembly – it has also previously passed the Senate. "There is no doubt that this segment of Route 20 is probably one of the most scenic stretches of road in New York State," Magee said. "The small villages, the farms, the open land and the old time feel of it simply make it an outstanding and touristy drive." The 123-mile corridor follows portions of United States Route 20 and Otsego County Route 54 from the intersection of Route 20 with Interstate 1-88 through Schenectady, Schoharie, Otsego, Herkimer, Oneida, Madison, and Onondaga counties to its intersection with Interstate 81. "I have lived right on Route 20 and have had a small business on Route 20 for 40 years and for the entire 15 years that I have served in the Assembly I have faithfully traveled Route 20 to and from Albany," Magee commented. "I can honestly say that there is not a day that goes by that I do not see something new that makes appreciate it even more." By becoming a duly designated scenic byway, the communities along Route 20 through which scenic byways pass including: increased economic benefits through promotion of tourism, improved traveler and community services, broadened appreciation of the State's historic and natural resources and support for managing and maintaining these resources. "This designation is good thing that will increase the historic stature of Route 20 while also providing the communities along it with some very real and very tangible economic and other benefits," Magee said. The bill was sponsored in the Senate by Senator James Seward (R-Milford). U.S. Route 20 in New York State is a 400-mile segment of a transcontinental route between Massachusetts and Oregon. Although its origins include Native American trails and early turnpikes, much of its present character was established with the rise of automobile travel early in this century. "In fact, it is our state's Route 66," said Tania Werbizky, director of technical and grant programs for the Preservation League of New York State. she said, "Most of U.S. Route 20 is a scenic two- lane road passing through some of New York's most productive agricultural lands. It is also 'Main Street, New York,' traveling through some of the state's most attractive and historic communities. Unfortunately, due to unplanned development and highway projects as well as changes in the tourist community and in farming practices, its beauty is always in jeopardy." She said village edges and farmland are giving way to strip development while downtowns struggle to compete with regional malls. Some communities have never recovered from the impact of the Thruway's opening in 1954-56. However, because the highway represents over 200 years of state history, its potential as a heritage corridor is especially great. In this designation, the Preservation League has focused on a segment of Route 20 that includes portions of New York's earliest state-chartered roads - the First and Third Great Western Turnpikes - as well as segments of highway developed in the 1930's in response to growing automobile travel. The segment of Route 20 between Albany and LaFayette represents the beauty and the challenges facing this entire historic transportation route in New York. In 1803, a road was completed from Cherry Valley to Cazenovia as the Third Great Western Turnpike. Beyond Cazenovia to LaFayette, the highway is a 1934 alignment that reflects technological advancements in road construction and car manufacturing that allowed a straighter road to pass over some of Route 20's steepest hills. Virtually every tourist and many historic and conservation groups have supported the Scenic Byway designation. They see this as the way Route 20 could regain its status as a major attraction and scenic automobile corridor, especially in the creation of a heritage tourism program. For many years Route 20 has been especially for bikers who welcome the challenge of its rugged terrain. ?Utica Saturday Globe, July 19, 1919 THE CHERRY VALLEY TURNPIKE ____ On of the Notable Old Highways of Another Day, the Channel of Commerce for Western New York Before the Erie Canal, a Road Whose Romance of Trade is Partly Revealed in the Old Taverns That Linger by the Wayside. By WALTER H. MAIN No, these weather-beaten old taverns along the Cherry Valley turnpike don't yield the sort of poetry we learned in the Tales of a Wayside Inn. These are wayside inns, but they tell of no Paul Revere, they have no Sicilian's Tale, no Saga of King Olaf. So far as legend reveals it, they had no Musician who used who used to sit dreamily beside the roaring fire, and draw sweet fancies from his violin. When you prowl through the damp, disused, deserted ballroom of one of these old taverns, and the wide boards creak beneath your tread, they stir up a different sort of story. The shades that you may disturb in the dark corners have a different sort of poetry about them, the rude poetry and romance with which time at length softens the harsh lines that fell to the pioneer. True, they tell you little than is fanciful but they tell you most cheerfully about the wonderful whisky that used to flow, about the barrels and barrels of it, about the loads that used to require six, eight or ten horse to haul the corn juice to Albany. A garrulous shade of the past will jeer out at you from the dim corner of the tap room in one of those old taverns, and with tears in his voice will drone out to you this take: The Days of Whiskey, Drovers and Teamsters. "Why, say, mister, you orter seen them loads of whiskey! I hearn tell about a dry spell that's hit the country, when nobody da'st have whiskey, ner much of anything else. I'm glad I ain't alive to suffer." Drawing a thin, withered hand over his parched lips, the shade drones on. "Why, mister, there uster be three 'stills up here at Cazenovy. Think of it! Three stills.' And that uster be real whisky, too! No such stuff as they've been sxellin' sence i ceased travelin' this 'ere rud" - he meant "road." "Up at Marcellus was another still. Oh, they was lots of stills out this way and they uster draw it all to Albany." "This was a great pike in them days," cackled the dry old shade from the dim corner of the tap room. "This was part of the Great Western Turnpike, straight road from Albany to Buffalo. The Cherry Valley part of it ran up through here to Syracuse. Albany To Syracuse that's it, straight's a ruler can draw the line, up through Schoharie county, through Sharon Springs - oh, it was a great old rud." If only you find a bottle of spirits to set before the dry old shade there in the corner of the tap room he would cackle on forever about the good old days of the drovers and teamsters. A tavern, you understand, springs up where there is a natural stopping place for teams - at the top of the hill, at the forks of a road at a watering place, at the natural end of a day's journey. No landlord would set up a caravansary at his own sweet will. He chooses some natural stopping place. The Old Stage Tavern at the top of the hill near Morrisville, owes its position to the fact that it was the natural place to stop and rest the team, and to "bait" the horses after a long pull up the hill from Nelson. Always teams were loaded going toward Albany. Trade From Transplanted Yankees. This string of taverns which you may see this day along the Cherry Valley turnpike, these weather-beaten old frame structures long since turned into farmhouses, those were the natural development from the overland trade which grew from the pioneering of the post-Revolutionary period. All western New York poured its traffic over this road. It was after we had made peace with Britain, after the peace was signed in 1783 that the great migration began out of Connecticut. Up through Albany came the great tide of migration. They followed the westward way. The hand that beckoned on the restless Yankees was always the prospect of bettering their condition. Already the Connecticut country was too thickly populated. The venturesome young fellows loaded their brides, their pots and kettles, their heritage of mahogany furniture and grandfathers' clocks into their ox-carts or into sleighs and set out, whistling a merry tune, with their axes over their shoulder. What the Dutch thought of those restless Yankees you may read in Washington Irving's Knickerbocker History of New York. He describes them as a long, lank, lean, hungry lot, crowded if any other family lived nearer than three miles, perpetually surrounded by a large squad of children, always clearing a patch in the woods, putting up a log cabin, dwelling thee a spell, and always moving on in a new wilderness, of such was the population composed which entered the Promised Land of central New York at the dawning of the 19th century. You may see their marks in the names of the towns, like Hartford, Canaan and the rest. You see the reflection of the old classical learning of the east and such names as Syracuse, Scipio, Marcellus, Virgil, Cato, Pompey. This was the sturdy population which took up the new land whose great market was Albany, where the sloops from New York drew up and were laden. This was the population that produced great harvests of grain, great droves of cattle, great hogsheads of whisky, hundreds and thousands of turkeys and hogs and it was the going of this produce to tidewater that made the Cherry Valley turnpike. Out of this traffic sprang the taverns that stand today over the memories of the past, while the present whirls by on rubber tires, unmindful of the commerce which used to toil slowly in a steady stream over this great highway. Three ancient hostelries within a few miles on the Cherry Valley turnpike are the old Stage Tavern, Tog Hill Tavern, and the Nelson Tavern. Tog Hill Tavern is a little way west from Morrisville. It was owned in its heyday by Granley Case, and great were the doings in its famous ballroom. The elite for miles around used to find their social pleasures there. It is said really to have been the abode of fashion in its day. Granley Case had two sons, John and Dwight, who sold the property in 1862 to Samuel L. Jones, who with his heirs has used it for a farmhouse. Three Coaches a Day. The old Stage Tavern at the top of the hill near Morrisville was one of the best known and most patronized in the days of the turnpike traffic. When you consider that in those days this was the great direct route east and west, and that three stagecoaches each way rolled over this turnpike each day, you may know something of what the trade must have been about at this great square frame building. While the four horses of each stage were being fed, or while they were being changed for other teams the wayfarers would unlumber themselves from the ponderous leather-springed stages and regaled themselves with mine host's dinner. Rather more pretentious than a tavern was the Exchange Hotel at Morrisville. The village was for well nigh a century the county seat of Madison County. The Court House is still standing in which the forensic leaders of the day used to try their oratorical powers on rustic juries. The jail is there yet where prisoners used to repine. They can still point out to you the iron weight which in its day jerked into eternity on the gallows many a criminal. They can point out to you a swamp not far away that escaped prisoners hid themselves. Abode of the Legal Lights. But as to the Exchange Hotel his was a palatial caravansary in its day. Here during court week the judicial and legal lights of the county, and sometimes from other sections, used to gather. Before the days of telephones litigants had to assemble in the open days of court and tarry until their case was called. Principals, attorneys and witnesses, all had to come to court, and wait and wait for days. While they waited they stayed at the Exchange Hotel. Within a year this structure has been razed but its picture has been preserved. It was a capacious, rambling old hotel, capped with a square cupola. On the walls of the cupola you might until a year have read names of legal lights of past generations. Most of these names are forgotten now, but in their day stood for all that was legally great in the legal profession. Local legend has it that nights and Sundays the gentlemen of the law were wont to assemble in the cupola to play poker. With the trap door shut, who could prove that they were not up there to view the scenery? Road Unfrequented for Years. Until the days of good roads and automobile, for three- quarters of a century, the Cherry Valley turnpike wound its way across the beautiful country in mid-New York. For not much more than a quarter century did its hey-day best as a channel of traffic. Then came the Erie canal, which from 1825 until the railroads pushed their way through, carried the produce of the great fertile hinterland to tidewater. From 1825 traffic began to dwindle over the pike, but it was a long time before it utterly ceased. The droves of turkeys, cattle and hogs, the great loads of produce and whisky kept moving over this well beaten track for years and years. Now comes the automobile and the highway comes into its own. Where once the commerce of a new century flowed to tidewater now go touring the grandchildren of those who made the old Cherry Valley turnpike famous. Now comes the day when men name roads after great Americans. Some would name the great western turnpike the Roosevelt highway. Leading westward, ever westward toward the setting sun, toward the land of promise, where Roosevelt never turned for his inspiration, stretches the old road. Those who travel it may look on the landmarks of the early days, when the country was new, when the vigor of the early settlers made New York the leading State in the Union, the landmarks of the old commerce, the landmarks by the side of the road, the taverns of the Cherry Valley turnpike. Historical Society) Cherry Valley Turnpike - the way of the pioneers By Richard Palmer The pioneers poured in from New England in droves after 1800 to settle this new land in upstate New York then known as the "Western Country," and one of the primary trails they followed was the Cherry Valley Turnpike. This road, which is more than 200 years old, is today's Route 20 from Albany to Cazenovia, and Route 92 from there to Manlius. Here it connected with the south branch of the Seneca Turnpike. Building such a lengthy road more than 70 miles long through the wilderness was a tremendous undertaking, requiring large sums of capital and manpower. Eventually, the promoters were able to secure both, but not without considerable effort and more than $100,000 in capital. The initial goal was to construct a highway from the old Revolutionary War frontier settlement of Cherry Valley, westward. The Third Great Western Turnpike Company was chartered by the State of New York Legislature in 1803, and was organized on Nov. 16th of that year. The name was derived from the fact that the First Great Western Turnpike was from Albany to Duanesburg and the Second Great Western was from there to Cherry Valley. Eventually, this system of roads was nicknamed the Cherry Valley Turnpike. (Later, this name was also applied to what is now Route 20 west of Cazenovia. This section, running to Skaneateles, was never a turnpike, but a system of local roads interconnected to extend Route 20 westward to Auburn in the 1930s. Due to the very hilly terrain, this was considered a great engineering achievement for its day). Benjamin Gilbert and Samuel Clemmons were formed as a committee to put the road under contract. Actual construction did not get underway for several years. The first section completed was 10 miles westward from Cherry Valley. It was accepted by a resolution passed by the board of directors on Aug. 4, 1808, and the first tollgate was constructed at Cherry Valley. Gates would be placed every 10 miles and rates of toll were established. The bridge over the west branch of the Unadilla River was contracted out to Samuel Rindge for $500, on Feb. 7, 1809. The greater part of the road appears to have been completed in December, 1809, as three more gates, including one at today's intersection of Routes 92 and 20, were ordered to be built. At a meeting held at the home of Uri Beach in Sangerfield, on Aug. 6, 1810, all seven gates for the 70 miles of the Third Great Western, were plotted and eventually built. The directors decided that wagons with tires of six or more inches in width would pass free of toll, because they kept the road packed down and reasonably free from ruts. In December, 1811, the first dividend of $12.50 per share was declared. The turnpike proved its worth and masses of people passed over it in a seemingly never- ending stream. It was not uncommon to see hundreds of covered wagons in a single day, drawn by powerful teams of horses. The road was also the impetus for opening up this region to commerce, the produce of farmers transported by heavy freight wagons to eastern markets. In all seasons, droves of cattle, sheep, hogs, geese, turkeys and other livestock shared the busy road with wagons loaded with grain, barreled beef and pork, potash and other products of the fields and forests of the western country. One long-forgotten contemporary historian wrote of this animated scene that the tide of commerce "went rolling on wheels or sliding on sleighs along its line; and through its wooded avenues and sunny clearings, over its log causeways and newly-graded hills, past its new wooden houses and log-cabins, there was a constant stream of busy life and travel." The War of 1812 brought a temporary check to emigrant travel. For about three years, government troops accompanied wagons loaded with munitions and war materials headed for the Niagara Frontier. Sangerfield historian Amos O. Osborn wrote in 1886: "Many of our older inhabitants yet remember when there was a public house at every mile or two on the road; and it was said that the odor of tar, a bucket of which was carried under every wagon, could be perceived all along the road to Albany." The mass of emigration and travel gave rise to spin-off business. At one time there was a inn for every mile or two of road where travelers, wagon and stagecoach teams could rest. Our historian wrote: "We have heard it said, that the odor of the tar with which the wheels were lubricated could be perceived in the air in still weather from here (Cazenovia) to Albany." There were wayside taverns (sometimes two or even three) at Manlius, Buelleville, Oran, Cazenovia, Nelson, Tog Hill, Morrisville, Pine Woods, Madison, Sangerfield, Bridgewater, West Winfield, several at Richfield Springs, Springfield, Cherry Valley, etc. Stagecoach travel first appeared on the road in the fall of 1814, operated by a group of proprietors loosely called the "Old Line Mail." An advertisement in the Cazenovia Pilot dated Oct. 12, 1814 shows state leaving Albany daily except Sunday for Cherry Valley at 5 a.m.; leave Cherry Valley Monday, Wednesday ad Friday at 4 p.m.; stop overnight at Richfield Springs, and leave thee at 5 a.m. Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Arrived in Manlius in time for dinner; stay overnight at Onondaga; and leave the next morning for the west daily. Another state left Cherry Valley at 4 p.m. Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday for Cooperstown; then a run from Cooperstown to Oxford on Friday. A similar schedule was kept eastbound. Each stage line also had their favorite stops. Uri Beach, a tavernkeeper in Sangerfield, was one of the proprietors. The advertisement stated: "The Proprietors of the Cherry-Valley line have formed a connection with the Utica and Canandaigua Company, at Manlius, and should that line be full, there is an Extra at Manlius for the express purpose of conveyance to any part of the line. Usual allowance of Baggage, 125 lbs. equal to a passenger; all surplus baggage to be paid for and at the risk of the owner." The westbound stages left Cande's Connecticut Coffee House on Court Street in Albany. Many also traveled in their own conveyances, or on chartered stagecoaches, so as to regulate their journey to stop at their favorite "watering hole" for the night. The wayside taverns of the day boasted little of elegance, but were comfortable, with their blazing fires, clean rooms, well-spread tables, and some degree of ease. There were also several different classes of inns. While many catered to travelers, others derived their incomes from the drovers and teamsters, who were a rougher lot of people. These were prosperous times. In 1816, the Third Great Western Turnpike Company paid its investors a seven percent dividend. The stock was considered a good investment. But this was only short-lived. With the opening of the parallel Erie Canal in 1825 there came a change, and the heavy freight business soon left the wagons and took to the boats. The Mohawk Valley then became the main corridor of commerce. The route over the hills via Cherry Valley and Cazenovia, however, continued to have considerable stagecoach and private conveyance travel. It was 13 miles shorter this way to Syracuse than through the Mohawk Valley. For years it remained the favorite route of the drovers. Cattle wended their slow way, "on the hoof" from Western pastures to eastern markets. Dividends continued to be paid, but in much lower amounts. But the benefits the stockholders derived from the existence of the road far exceeded what they could expect in the way of stock dividends. By the early 1840s, however, a network of railroads later to become the New York Central was completed across the state, gradually rendering the old turnpikes obsolete. The Cherry Valley route outlived most of its contemporaries, and it was not closed as a toll road until 1857. The road played an important role in the development of this country. Tolls collected on the road reached their highest point of $12,322 in 1815. They declined to $10,750 in 1818, and varied over the years from $4,420 to the last high of $5,700 in 1835. There was a sharp decline in 1836 after completion of the Utica & Schenectady Railroad. The railroads began to carry freight in a big way in the mid 1840s, removing the droves of cattle from the road. About that time a new wave of plank road construction began, primarily north and south, to connect to the railroads at Schenectady, Utica and Syracuse. By 1860, the old turnpike was little more than a memory, its maintenance having been turned over to local communities until it eventually became a state highway. It came back into its own with the advent of the automobile, and until the construction of the New York State Thruway in the 1950s, enjoyed a renaissance as the main east-west thoroughfare across the state. In spite of the New York State Thruway, the road still remains popular as travelers, wearied by monotonous Interstate highways, again take to the more scenic old roads. People who travel Route 20 have said they are glad they took the advice of friends and relatives and traveled this road across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest parsa9 Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 ** What would you like to see on a web site about American roads? I'm constructing a new website about auto trails, US highways, lost highways, etc. It will of course be more general and less of a personal page than my Route 66 page (Parsa's Virtual Route 66 Roadrip: http://ushighway66.com/ ). It will be a more professional and less artsy since it will be a more public web site. I know I want a web-based forum. What else would people find useful on such a website? What information and resources do you think are needed on the Internet? The more information I have from users, the more useful the site will hopefully be. Thanks, Parsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Oh well, it had to happen sometime...we were passing down Watson today and passed LaCasa Grande; alas, the sign is gone...I assume to its new benefactor, who will, I undersand, be putting the sign where the public can view it...doesn't make it much easier passing 8208 Watson Rd., St. Louis County, MO...for those of us who travel 66 in St. Louis, it is a sad day...Tsingtao, Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ine vandewiel Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Thank you for accepting me as a member. Since I live in the Netherlands, I will not frequently visit the US, but when I do I will certainly use the advices and info's I will get from your group. As a former exchange student, I still love the US and it's people as well as the fantastic nature. I have hitchhiked twice throughout the US together with my partner (when we were younger) and travelled another two times with a rented car. This site will certainly keep the memories alive! Greetings to y'all Inez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 In a message dated 7/25/5 2:28:54 AM, you wrote: <<I am not real knowlegable in this area but there is a fish place in Seattle called Ivor's (I believe it is on Puget Sound) which, if it is still there is very much worth experiencing...watching a bunch of people serve a bunch of people made it even more worthwhile! >> Dave in Seattle here, Ivar's is on Elliott Bay, Seattle's open or unprotected harbor on Puget Sound and marine gateway to Alaska. Yes, Ivar's Acres of Clams on Pier 54 is very much worth experiencing, I have eaten there all my life since the early 50s. Ivar Haglund was a local legend, there are plenty of stories about him. He always dressed like a ship captain with a blue cap and blue double breasted blazer with lots of brass buttons. Kip was no doubt writing about the popular takeout counter which was moved back from the sidewalk about fifteen feet in the 70s, before that it was right on the sidewalk and the crowds blocked foot traffic. When I was little I pulled myself up to the stainless steel counter to see what was going on. Once in a while Ivar himself might pop through the kitchen door (which had a round window like a porthole) to keep an eye on things. The menu was/is a variety of seafood but we always got fish and chips, deepfried Alaska cod and french fries with tartar sauce and ketchup extra. We usually ate in the car, a dark blue 1950 Ford Custom Six two door sedan which was parked across the street (Alaska Way) under the still new Alaska Way Viaduct, a double deck structure which carried US 99 above the waterfront. Later on the car was 1956 Chevy Bel Air cream and coppertone four door (with the trick gas filler behind the left taillight which pivoted down) then later a couple of Buicks, a 1962 Special and then the1963 LeSabre which I took out for spin this last Sunday. Also later on in the 60s Ivar's installed outdoor seating with overhead heating so when it's busy you might be in a group a several dozen greasy fingered diners. The way Ivar's serves a lot of food to a lot of people is like this, they run batches through the deep fryers so they take a whole bunch of fry orders at once and the individual customers settle up while the orders are cooking, the counterperson sets out some cardboard trays and adds the accessories like tartar and ketchup and drinks and so on (the menu board used to say men ordering more than one bowl of clam nectar must have permission from their wife) then when the food comes out of the fryer it goes right onto some other trays that the fry cook set out when they got the orders and away you go. In the old days every once in awhile a red star would be printed on the cash register receipt, sort of like a payout on a slot machine since this meant you that the food was free, I remember seeing this happen occasionally, they would ring a brass bell to celebrate, I don't know if they do this anymore, maybe someone 'out there' knows... If you order a regular fish and chips the counterperson yells out 'single!' to the fry cook, some time in the 80s I started ordering that way so now I ask for 'a single, two tartar, one ketchup.' The food is good as far as deep-fried food goes but it's the whole experience with the sights and sounds and smells that makes it special, being on saltwater where the traffic rumbles by overhead and large boat horns honk might put a whole new spin on your midwest frozen custard roadside parking lot dining experience. Though the takeout counter does lots of business Ivar's Acres of Clams is also a large midscale restaurant, linen, carpeting, fine wines, grilled salmon etc. We ate there a few times on special dressup occasions, kids were given crayons and a thick paper cutout of an oldstyle diving helmet that became a mask with a rubber band and eyeholes. But the quintessential Ivar's meal is alfresco on the pier where you can throw a french fry at a seagull who will catch it midair, the sitdown restaurant is indoor only but with fine views of the nearby fireboats and ferryboats. Ivar's remains a constant on the evolving waterfront, the old warehouses are long gone or converted to retail, now container cranes dominate the skyline as do the gargantuan cruise ships visiting on weekends between Alaska trips, upscale condos are spreading like a rash and it's all so damn nice that sometimes it makes me want to puke. The viaduct is an earthquake disaster waiting to happen, fifty years old and frail. Nowdays a good portion of the population has no idea who Ivar was since they are either too young or moved here from somewhere else like the midwest or California so they could be in a 'most livable' city, a curse. By the way Kip on my map about the only similarity between Ivar's and the frozen custard drive-in in St. Louis is their iconic status, maybe your comparison was in the volume of food they crank out, for what it's worth 99 is 66 inverted so they share that too. Happy Motoring, Dave P.S. and as Ivar often said, Keep Clam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mordechai Housman Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Burr" <hester_nec@yahoo.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Route 2 > Paul Bunyon, and Babe, are down Maine bred and born!!! > Despite the claims of other areas. In fact if you > look at a map of the coast of Maine you will find > Penobscot Bay down near Searsport/Stonington/Acadia NP > area. This bay, legend tells us, was formed by Pauls > baby cradle rocking on the waves of the Atlantic > Ocean. His mother used to put him in his cradle and > anchor it out to sea a bit to let the waves to the > rocking. The wash also formed the craggy coast line > you see today from Kittery to Eastport!!! > > Paul had to move further west after he cut most of > the trees in the state. Another legend has it he and > Babe were playing together one day and Babe started > pawing the earth and created Mt. Katahdin up in Baxter > State park. > > Have a great day, safe and happy travels. > > Hudsonly, > Alex B They also say that the Grand Canyon was formed when Paul was too tired to carry his axe, and dragged it along the ground a ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 I now live at the north edge of Cincinnati but grew up in Ansonia, OH, which is just a tad south of the towns you mention. I was aware very early of the frontier era history of the area (Anthony Wayne was a childhood hero) but the significance of canals and railroads in the area's past didn't register with me until I was an adult and had moved away. St. Marys, New Bremen, & Minster are all canal towns. There is a great bicycle museum in New Bremen. --Denny > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Zander [mailto:fr66ed@peoplepc.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:36 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Cross-Tipped Churches > > > Denny great pictures are u from this part of Ohio? My sister > lives in New Knoxville. Have been to Minster,New brehman,Maria > Stein,St Marys very picturesque area where all the farms are very > neat....... Fred > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denny Gibson > To: AMERICAN_ROAD > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:03 AM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Cross-Tipped Churches > > > In responding to Sarah's "any suggestions from Cleveland?" question, I > visited the Ohio Byways site ( http://www.ohiobyways.com/ ) and > was reminded > of this short byway near where my parents live. So yesterday, on a visit > "home", I followed the "Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches > Byway". Despite > growing up within 30 miles of the place, this was my first visit to the > convent at Maria Stein and my first view (I'm not Catholic) of > a collection > of religious relics of any size. > > Forty miles of flat Ohio farm land do not make for the most > scenic drive but > I did grab some pictures. They're at > http://www.dennygibson.com/oddment/crosstipped > > Denny Gibson > Cincinnati, OH > www.DennyGibson.com > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, > WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via > e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Business finance course Business to business > finance Small business finance > Business finance consultant Business finance schools > Business finance schools > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "AMERICAN_ROAD" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via > e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Thanks for the info. I'll look into these places just in case....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Price" <hdbillder@b...> wrote: > FYI, > The President Madison is a nice place to stay.As are any of the > numerous B and B's in Madison's Historic district > On the "Hill" you'll find your"normal" motels,Holidy Inn,Hampton Inn > Best Western etc.But if you can't get a room at the Broadway I > strongly suggest Cliffty Falls State Park Lodge. > See ya on the road > Bill Price > Lake Chickamauga TN.--- In > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <brownwho63@y...> wrote: > > Denny, being the cruiser that you are - where would you get lodging > > in Madison, IN if you were going to spend a couple of nights > there? > > I looked at the town's web site and saw there are park lodgings > > available. Are these the best? If so, which one? If not, see > > question one. We're visiting MI next month with local cruisin' > > friends and might possibly swing southeast to Madison on the return > > trip. Dunno, though - it looks like a long way from the top of IN > > to the bottom. Thanks.....Bliss > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> > > wrote: > > > Heck no. We don't have enough corners for everyone. Besides, if > we > > did that, > > > I'd probably still be sitting in some corner and wouldn't have > > noticed your > > > little goof. > > > > > > --Denny > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bill Price [mailto:hdbillder@b...] > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:21 AM > > > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: any suggestions from Cleveland? > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > Thank you for the correction. Of course you are right Brown > > County is > > > > west of Madison and the Belterra is east. A giant faux pas from > > me . > > > > I will now don the pointed hat and sit in the corner;) > > > > Bill Price > > > > Lake Chickamauga TN > > > > -- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Love the Broadway (keep meaning to stay there overnight > > sometime) > > > > but think > > > > > you ought to head west from there if you want to get to Brown > > Co. > > > > and east > > > > > to find Belterra;-) On that Madison->Belterra drive, stop at > > Cuz's > > > > in Vevay > > > > > for a Strohs. > > > > > > > > > > --Denny > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bill Price [mailto:hdbillder@b...] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:58 AM > > > > > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: any suggestions from Cleveland? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarah and who ever is looking for a destination > > > > > > Yes! I have a great suggestion for you especially if you > like > > > > > > antiques,bar-b-que and the blues(as in music)and if your > > vacation > > > > > > happens over the week end of Aug 19th/20th.Head to the > > > > > > Indiana/Kentucky state line on US Hwy 421 and the Ohio > > River,about > > > > > > half way between Cincinnati and Louisville,to the town of > > Madison > > > > > > Indiana. > > > > > > Madison is an antique freak's heaven.The largest historical > > > > district > > > > > > in Indiana.Hundreds of 19th century restored/preserved > > > > homes.Madison > > > > > > didn't suffer thru"urban renewal",so most of the downtown > > area > > > > > > remained intact thru preservation. > > > > > > Madison is the home of the Madison Regatta for unlimited > > > > hydroplanes > > > > > > and the Miss Madison hydroplane.The movie "Madison",that was > > > > released > > > > > > earlier this year,starring James Caviezel,is about the Miss > > > > Madison > > > > > > and the town winning the Championship in 1972. > > > > > > And for the 19th and 20th of Aug.it's home > > to "Ribberfest".One > > > > > > highlight of this event is the"Indiana State BBQ > Championship > > > > > > Cook > > > > > > Off"—the only Kansas City Barbeque Society (KCBS) qualifier > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > state of Indiana.The KCBS is the world's largest > > organization of > > > > > > barbeque enthusiasts and sanctions more contests than any > > other > > > > > > association. > > > > > > There is live blues scheduled on both days. The talent the > > past > > > > three > > > > > > years has been top notch and this year will be no exception. > > > > > > http://www.madisonribberfest.com for more info > > on "Ribberfest". > > > > > > To meet the locals stop at the Historic Broadway Hotel and > > > > Tavern.It > > > > > > was opened in 1834 and has never been closed.It sports a > > great > > > > > > restaurant.And if you are so inclined,some of the best adult > > > > > > beverages to be found. www.historicbroadwayhotel.com is > > their web > > > > > > site. > > > > > > Now for site seeing.Drive east out of Madison for about 90 > > > > minutes to > > > > > > the Brown Hills of Indiana in Brown County.There is a tiny > > area > > > > about > > > > > > 10 miles down State Road 135 called Story,a must see and > the > > best > > > > > > breakfast I have ever had anywhere at the Story > > > > Inn ,www.storyinn.com > > > > > > for more info.Also in Brown County,the Brown County Winery > > at Gnaw > > > > > > Bone(yup that the towns name)and the artist's community of > > > > Nashville > > > > > > IN.There are many shops and eateries in Nashville so if you > > go > > > > there > > > > > > expect to spend some time. > > > > > > If you like gaming,just 25 miles to the west of Madison,on > > the > > > > > > Indiana side of the Ohio River,is the Belterra Casino and > > Resort. > > > > > > There are many historic towns and parks within a 100 mile > > radius > > > > from > > > > > > Madison that space and time won't allow me to list.So you > > can head > > > > > > out in any direction you like and something will grab you. > > > > > > My wife and I go to Madison at least 4 times a year.We love > > it as > > > > you > > > > > > can probably guess.We never tire of walking thru the > historic > > > > > > district and looking at the homes and architecture.All the > > > > friends we > > > > > > have taken with us there have returned. They all love it. > > > > > > More info about lodging,etc. is available at this site > > > > > > http://www.visitmadison.org/ > > > > > > Hope to see you at the Broadway for Ribberfest.Ask for me > > there > > > > they > > > > > > know who I am > > > > > > Bill Price > > > > > > Chattanooga TN > > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "sarhosa" > > <sarhosa@y...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi there. I have a week of vacation in August and want > to > > take > > > > a > > > > > > road > > > > > > > trip (solo...me, myself & I....all by myself), but I have > > no > > > > idea > > > > > > where > > > > > > > to go, what to see etc. I was thinking maybe south, but > > am open > > > > > > for > > > > > > > any direction. Anyone have any advice? I'm in > Cleveland, > > Ohio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Sarah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > > > > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > > > > 98046-3168 > > > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- > > owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via > > > > e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Guest beckyrepp Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Geoff, You might want to check out the article on US 2 in the Spring 2005 issue of AMERICAN ROAD. There are lots of great places along this route--Michigan's Mackinac Bridge, the Big Fish Supper club in Bena, Minnesota; two statues of Paul Bunyan (one in Bangor, Maine and one in Bemidji, MN), the Barber Ship in Bonners Ferry, Idaho . . . and so many more great stops. Becky Repp becky@mockturtlepress.com --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> wrote: > U. S. 2 begins in, in the east on the Canadian border > at Houlton, Maine and runs west to Rouses Point, NY. > The Western begining is in Sault Ste. Marie, MI where > it co-signs, today with I-75 south to St. Ignace and > heads west from there to Everett, WA. > > See U. S. Highways - From U S 1 to (U S 830) at: > http://www.us-highways.com/ > > Hudsonly, > Alex B > > > > --- Denny Gibson <denny@d...> wrote: > > > Actually they ran out of land. Looks like it gets > > squeezed out by the Great > > Lakes in NY and reappears in the MI upper peninsula > > when things get a little > > roomier. This may help: > > http://www.us-highways.com/us2.htm > > > > http://www.us-highways.com/ is a great source for > > this sort of thing. > > > > The route that someone mentioned in Ohio is a state > > route. > > > > Denny Gibson > > Cincinnati, OH > > www.DennyGibson.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Geoff Brandy [mailto:mrhernia@y...] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:15 AM > > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Route 2 > > > > > > > > > Did you know that there are two US Route 2's? One > > in Washington State > > > and One in upstate New York. Does anyone know why? > > Did they run out of > > > numbers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: > > http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE > > TOLL-FREE > > > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box > > 3168, Lynnwood, WA > > > 98046-3168 > > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a > > message via > > > e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: > > http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE > > TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, > > Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a > > message via e-mail, send it to: > > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, > but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 I believe there's a statue of Ivar, sitting on a bench feeding seagulls, in front of the original restaurant. Maybe some of that new population will learn a little about him from that. I have also tried (and enjoyed) one of the more "normal" Ivar's restaurants - the Salmon House - on the north edge of lake Union. --Denny > -----Original Message----- > From: [mailto:drivewdave@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:02 AM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Keep Clam > > In a message dated 7/25/5 2:28:54 AM, you wrote: > > <<I am not real knowlegable in this area but there is a fish > place in Seattle > > called Ivor's (I believe it is on Puget Sound) which, if it > is still there > > is very much worth experiencing...watching a bunch of people > serve a bunch of people made it even more worthwhile! >> > > Dave in Seattle here, Ivar's is on Elliott Bay, Seattle's > open or unprotected harbor on Puget Sound and marine gateway > to Alaska. > > Yes, Ivar's Acres of Clams on Pier 54 is very much worth > experiencing, I have eaten there all my life since the early > 50s. Ivar Haglund was a local legend, there are plenty of > stories about him. He always dressed like a ship captain with > a blue cap and blue double breasted blazer with lots of brass > buttons. Kip was no doubt writing about the popular takeout > counter which was moved back from the sidewalk about fifteen > feet in the 70s, before that it was right on the sidewalk and > the crowds blocked foot traffic. When I was little I pulled > myself up to the stainless steel counter to see what was > going on. Once in a while Ivar himself might pop through the > kitchen door (which had a round window like a porthole) to > keep an eye on things. > > The menu was/is a variety of seafood but we always got fish > and chips, deepfried Alaska cod and french fries with tartar > sauce and ketchup extra. > We usually ate in the car, a dark blue 1950 Ford Custom Six > two door sedan which was parked across the street (Alaska > Way) under the still new Alaska Way Viaduct, a double deck > structure which carried US 99 above the waterfront. Later on > the car was 1956 Chevy Bel Air cream and coppertone four door > (with the trick gas filler behind the left taillight which > pivoted down) then later a couple of Buicks, a 1962 Special > and then the1963 LeSabre which I took out for spin this last > Sunday. Also later on in the 60s Ivar's installed outdoor > seating with overhead heating so when it's busy you might be > in a group a several dozen greasy fingered diners. > > The way Ivar's serves a lot of food to a lot of people is > like this, they run batches through the deep fryers so they > take a whole bunch of fry orders at once and the individual > customers settle up while the orders are cooking, the > counterperson sets out some cardboard trays and adds the > accessories like tartar and ketchup and drinks and so on (the > menu board used to say men ordering more than one bowl of > clam nectar must have permission from their wife) then when > the food comes out of the fryer it goes right onto some other > trays that the fry cook set out when they got the orders and > away you go. > > In the old days every once in awhile a red star would be > printed on the cash register receipt, sort of like a payout > on a slot machine since this meant you that the food was > free, I remember seeing this happen occasionally, they would > ring a brass bell to celebrate, I don't know if they do this > anymore, maybe someone 'out there' knows... > > If you order a regular fish and chips the counterperson yells > out 'single!' to the fry cook, some time in the 80s I started > ordering that way so now I ask for 'a single, two tartar, one > ketchup.' The food is good as far as deep-fried food goes but > it's the whole experience with the sights and sounds and > smells that makes it special, being on saltwater where the > traffic rumbles by overhead and large boat horns honk might > put a whole new spin on your midwest frozen custard roadside > parking lot dining experience. > > Though the takeout counter does lots of business Ivar's Acres > of Clams is also a large midscale restaurant, linen, > carpeting, fine wines, grilled salmon etc. > We ate there a few times on special dressup occasions, kids > were given crayons and a thick paper cutout of an oldstyle > diving helmet that became a mask with a rubber band and eyeholes. > > But the quintessential Ivar's meal is alfresco on the pier > where you can throw a french fry at a seagull who will catch > it midair, the sitdown restaurant is indoor only but with > fine views of the nearby fireboats and ferryboats. > > Ivar's remains a constant on the evolving waterfront, the old > warehouses are long gone or converted to retail, now > container cranes dominate the skyline as do the gargantuan > cruise ships visiting on weekends between Alaska trips, > upscale condos are spreading like a rash and it's all so damn > nice that sometimes it makes me want to puke. The viaduct is > an earthquake disaster waiting to happen, fifty years old and > frail. Nowdays a good portion of the population has no idea > who Ivar was since they are either too young or moved here > from somewhere else like the midwest or California so they > could be in a 'most livable' city, a curse. > > By the way Kip on my map about the only similarity between > Ivar's and the frozen custard drive-in in St. Louis is their > iconic status, maybe your comparison was in the volume of > food they crank out, for what it's worth 99 is 66 inverted so > they share that too. > > > > Happy Motoring, Dave > > P.S. and as Ivar often said, Keep Clam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest beckyrepp Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hi, You are absolutely correct--that 101 is filled with beautiful scenery along Oregon's coast. We've traveled it MANY times. The lighthouse tour can begin at the very northern tip of Oregon's coast with a tour of the Lightship Columbia and the adjacent musuem in Astoria, OR. Many of the Lighthouses are open to the public--some have tours. Two of the lighthouses in Newport, OR are featured in the Autumn 2004 issue of AMERICAN ROAD. Some of the lighthouses on the coast you can really only get photographs of, but all are spectacular in their own way. My favorite, is probably Terrible Tilly--(Tillimook Lighthouse)--a few miles off the coast. Bring your binoculars. Be sure to stop at Mo's (there are 5 Mo's locations along the OR coast) for some of the BEST chowder on the West coast--many superstars travel to Oregon just to satisfy cravings for the stuff. The Pig-N-Pancake is an Oregon specialty, too. You'll find a Pig-N-Pancake in Seaside, Oregon. Best breakfasts--but, be prepared to wait in line on Sunday mornings! Stop in at Flashback (a nostalgia gift shop and soda fountain) in Seaside, too. Tell Marjorie and Gary that we said hello. An absolute MUST in Seaside is the Aquarium--constructed in 1924 as the Seaside Baths and Natatorium. Tell Keith--the manager that we sent you. FYI, there's an article on Seaside, OR in the US 101 department in the Spring 2004 issue of AMERICAN ROAD. In Washington, there are so many great places I have a hard time knowing where to start. If you are traveling 101 in Washington you will undoubtedly want to spend time on the Olympic Peninsula. I recommend taking a ferry from Edmonds to Kingston--on a clear day you'll get some of the most spectacular views of the Olympics (there are many clear days in the Summer--winter, however, is another matter!). When you disembark from the ferry you'll need to take Washington Hwy 104 to US 101. At the intersection of US 101 and Washington 20 you will come to Burger Heaven (actually namd Fat Smitty's). Arrive HUNGRY. This is one of the biggest and best burgers you'll find. We have yet to find one that we like better. Tell Smitty that you heard about him from AMERICAN ROAD (there's an article on his place in Summer 2003 issue--which we no longer have copies of). If you are interested in reading it-let me know and we'll figure something out. I know there is an article coming up in the next issue on Sol Duc Falls--which is probably too late for your trip--but, it is definitely a MUST SEE. Don't just go to the mineral pools--be sure to take the hike out to the actual falls--they are beautiful--especially when the sun hits them just right and a rainbow forms. There are many more places to see -- and I could go on and on. Let me know if you are interested in more info. Becky becky@mockturtlepress.com --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "ken" <stokerk@t...> wrote: > Bill's advice is very GOOD! > > Also, If you happen to find yourself on hwy 101 along the coast line of the Pacific Ocean. There is alot of beautiful scenery there. > My favorite section was from Florence Or. to the south with the light houses etc., At times the road is very winding & alot of fun to drive on. > I drove this route with a semi tractor trailer making deliveries through out the western half of Oregon. I pulled over at several places so I could walk to the edge of the cliff along the road. My first stop was like Whoa! It was about 700 or more feet straight down to the pounding waves on the rocks below. > If there is no misty fog over the water of the ocean, The sunsets are just breath taking, especialy when the sun meets the water on the horizon! > > As Bill had stated, There is alot to see out there! My advice would be, Don't try to cram everything all on one trip unless you have the time. Just take it easy & enjoy your trip. > Besides,......That'll give you another reason for another trip,.....wink, wink....Right? Ha Ha Ha! > I'll be headed out that way with my wife & friends within the next two years for another trip! Can't wait! > > "Happy Trails" > > Ken, Wi. > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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