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Fred,

 

 

 

In Kennebunkport (in Dock Square - where EVERYTHING

 

is) there is Allison's Resturant. Pretty good food

 

there; just before you cross the bridge to Dock Square

 

on your right is Barkleys - where the Bush Family

 

dines!!

 

 

 

Tons of shops in the Dock Square area. Turn right

 

out of Dock Square (Don't go up the hill) and you're

 

on Ocean Avenue. A couple of twists and you can take

 

a ride in a horse drawn carriage, if it's there.

 

 

 

Further down Ocean Avenue, about 3/4 of mile, on the

 

right, just after the Nonantum Hotel (one of the old

 

timers!!) is a little museum, which might be

 

interesting - even tho I live here I've never stopped

 

by. Parking across the street.

 

 

 

Keep following Ocean Avenue and you'll pass the big

 

Colony Hotel on your left and as you continue you'll

 

find the Atwater Estate and St. Anne's Church on the

 

right. Keep on going and you'll find the Bush summer

 

estate at Walkers Point. You can proceed just beyond

 

and turn around, or continue on and eventually you'll

 

end up back in Dock Square.

 

 

 

Oh, a little hint - parking!!!! About the same

 

today as it was in 1800 or so - not much. There is a

 

pay lot in Dock Square behind Allisons, but that's

 

usually full. You can go up the hill from Dock

 

Square, turn left at the T onto North Street, and go

 

out a little bit to a parking lot by the fire station.

 

Bit of a walk, but the walks are shaded and the

 

houses magnificant.

 

 

 

Welcome to the Kennebunks - enjoy your stay.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex Burr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Fred Hazlehurst <fhazlehurst@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Well, we just returned from a few sweltering days in

 

> Beantown. Lots of cold drinks & ice cream later and

 

> we're back in Jersey with a "cool" 90 degree day. We

 

> got to Durgin Park for Yankee Pot Roast dinner &

 

> Tia's for lobster & chowda' (& a cold beer!) lunch

 

> and both places were great. Thanks for the

 

> recommendations. Couldn't get into Union Oyster

 

> House as they were packed with a 1-1/2 hour wait for

 

> dinner after the Duck Tour, also didn't get to a Sox

 

> game as the games were all sold out. Planned to take

 

> the Fenway tour yesterday but they had a 1 P.M. game

 

> so couldn't take the tour. Maybe next time for both,

 

> but after walking Boston in July, I think our next

 

> visit will be in May or September!

 

> Next month up to Kennebunkport & Boothbay for

 

> another dose of cholesterol.

 

> Thanks again for the suggestions,

 

> Fred

 

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> Melanie M Guerra <dreambigarts@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

> Sounds like Durgin Park. Honestly, I haven't been to

 

> Durgin Park in years because the food quality has

 

> been (in my brutal opinion) lousy. It's great for

 

> atmosphere, though, and I love sitting at the long

 

> tables with strangers. Tia's is on Long Wharf,

 

> across from Quincy Market. You sit outside near the

 

> marina...if they try to seat you on the highway

 

> side, ask to move! :) I know Tia's as a hotspot for

 

> happy hour, so I had never actually EATEN there

 

> until yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised. I would

 

> suggest it for lunch if you'd like to avoid the

 

> drinking crowd.

 

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> Fred Hazlehurst <fhazlehurst@yahoo.com> wrote:Thank

 

> you Melanie. We'll try to get to Tias on our visit.

 

> Last time we were in Boston we went to a casual,

 

> family style eatery on the 2nd floor in Quincy

 

> Market but I can't remember the name. Seems to me

 

> they were noted for their home style Pot Roast with

 

> all the fixings. You sit at a long table with other

 

> parties of diners. If you're familiar with the place

 

> I'm thinking of can you tell me the name?

 

> Fred

 

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> Melanie M Guerra <dreambigarts@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

> mmmm. i live in boston & just had chowder yesterday

 

> (for the 1st time in a long time, if you can believe

 

> it!). we decided to try it at tia's at the marriot

 

> long wharf & were very pleasantly surprised! creamy

 

> & delicious. my arteries were crying :) can't

 

> recommend a place by name in maine...we tend to get

 

> our lobster steamed for us at the grocery store here

 

> in boston & eat it at home w/ corn & beer. :) we're

 

> spoiled & tend not to order lobster out! if you're

 

> staying somewhere near a big-chain grocery store,

 

> you could have them steam for you...or better yet,

 

> have them steam it, bring it home, take it out of

 

> the shell & put it on the grill. YUM. of course,

 

> depends on where you're staying & the amenities you

 

> have. :) have fun! melanie

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> wrote:

 

> Hi Brian,

 

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> Oh, ye of little faith!!!!!

 

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> Just outside of Alma, Arkansas, on the east side on

 

> S 64 there are Burma Shave signs. I have the thought

 

> in my head that they are private, something somebody

 

> made and placed on their property. But, Burma Shave

 

> signs are Burma Shave signs.

 

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Well, I am under 2 hours from Alma..I'll try to check it out.

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Stidham" <actionsub@g...>

 

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> I work at Alton Square...and I'd have to agree with you.

 

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> I grew up in what is now Fairview Heights. (side note: Fairview

 

Hts. incorporated in order to get its own post office so the mailing

 

addresses weren't East St. Louis.) I remember when St. Clair Sq. was

 

beginning to open up.

 

>

 

> And the metro area can almost be like two different worlds in

 

itself. The Madison County part around Alton is more like a

 

riverfront city that has sprawled outwards, and seems to have more in

 

common with central Illinois. The St. Clair County part (with the

 

exception of E. St. Louis) takes on more of the character of the old

 

German settlements in its architecture and city layouts, and tends to

 

be somewhat of the northern edge of the Southern Illinois region.

 

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> I think it's the variety that makes the metro-east St. Louis region

 

so interesting.

 

 

 

I agree. And Metro-East IS growing..I couldn't believe Glen Carbon /

 

Edwardsville when I passed through it last...it is a shopping mecca

 

now!

 

 

 

If I had to work in the St. Louis area, I'd move to metro-east for

 

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I work at Alton Square...and I'd have to agree with you.

 

 

 

I grew up in what is now Fairview Heights. (side note: Fairview Hts.

 

incorporated in order to get its own post office so the mailing addresses

 

weren't East St. Louis.) I remember when St. Clair Sq. was beginning to open

 

up.

 

 

 

And the metro area can almost be like two different worlds in itself. The

 

Madison County part around Alton is more like a riverfront city that has

 

sprawled outwards, and seems to have more in common with central Illinois. The

 

St. Clair County part (with the exception of E. St. Louis) takes on more of the

 

character of the old German settlements in its architecture and city layouts,

 

and tends to be somewhat of the northern edge of the Southern Illinois region.

 

 

 

I think it's the variety that makes the metro-east St. Louis region so

 

interesting.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

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To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:39 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Illinois neat St. Louis (Was: Re: Newbie)

 

 

 

 

 

As I said before, that entire area of

 

Illinois is so nice and unique. It often gets a bad rap due to East

 

St. Louis.

 

 

 

I still believe the best mall in the metro area is St. Clair Square.

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Hi, We just got home from South Dakota and Wyoming. We left home Saturday

 

morning. It was such a nice day. The first night we stayed in Kodaka,SD 99

 

degrees and sunny. It was 71 miles from Rapids City. That interstate driving

 

scares me. We went to interstate 90 in Albert Lea,MN. It was 70 miles an hour.

 

When we got over in South Dakota it was 75 mph. My kind of traveling is small

 

highways and slower pace. It is a long way across South Dakota. From Kadoka went

 

to Rapids City.The wind was so bad. We saw one semi blown into the ditch. We

 

drove our little car and the wind even hit it. It was cooler weather and we put

 

the heater on a while in the car in the morning. It stayed nice all day long

 

with temps. at 72 degrees. Just perfect. We went to Devils Tower in Wyoming. It

 

was so huge. I couldn't believe how huge it was. Has anyone been there before?

 

We went to Spearfish, Deadwood- mostly gambling there, Sturgis, Sturgis is

 

getting ready for all the motorcycles. Some were already there. We went to Mt.

 

Rushmore- a great park, Reptile Gardens- they put on real interesting shows

 

about snakes, alligators, birds and even farm animals., Custer State Park- the

 

little burros came to get treats from the travelers, Black Hills- a nice drive

 

through, Keystone- great shopping and helicopters rides, Piedmont- forest fire

 

there, Wall- Wall Drug and the Badlands-We enjoyed the drive through the

 

Badlands. They were very pretty. We stopped on our way back at Kadoka at a cafe

 

that used to be a gas station. All the ranchers come to eat there, so thought we

 

would try it. They had great food and were so friendly there. We stopped at Al's

 

Oasis in Chamberland- took more pictures and shopping, The Missouri River goes

 

through there. There were boats out on the water. It was 101 degrees and sunny

 

while we were there. Mitchell- was our last night to stay at. We went to the

 

Corn Palace and Lake Mitchell. We really enjoyed our trip. It went way to fast.

 

A week isn't long enough time. There are lots more things to see and do . We

 

drove over 1800 miles. Maybe next year we can go to North Dakota and some other

 

western states again. Maybe Charlie will retire next year. Jan and Charlie

 

PS: We went to Missouri and Arkansas for our 40th Wedding Anniversary in Feb. We

 

enjoy going there every year too.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Melanie M Guerra

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Guest Phil Grierson

I would just like to say "Thanks!" to all of you who have sent me

 

postcards so far from around the country. I really enjoy adding them

 

to my collection.

 

 

 

Phil Grierson

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Guest Denny Gibson

My son is passing through that area now and I'm starting to consider a trip

 

there for next year. My initial thoughts are to cover just about the same

 

area as you did. Seems like there are a significant number of attractions in

 

a relatively small area (after the drive halfway across the country:-),

 

 

 

Since you didn't comment on Corvettes in Spearfish, you must have just

 

missed the Black Hills Corvette Classic. It was July 13-16 and there should

 

have been a few hundred 'Vettes running around the area.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Charlie and Jan [mailto:cchase@alpinecom.net]

 

> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:24 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] We are back

 

>

 

> Hi, We just got home from South Dakota and Wyoming. We left

 

> home Saturday morning. It was such a nice day. The first

 

> night we stayed in Kodaka,SD 99 degrees and sunny. It was 71

 

> miles from Rapids City. That interstate driving scares me. We

 

> went to interstate 90 in Albert Lea,MN. It was 70 miles an

 

> hour. When we got over in South Dakota it was 75 mph. My

 

> kind of traveling is small highways and slower pace. It is a

 

> long way across South Dakota. From Kadoka went to Rapids

 

> City.The wind was so bad. We saw one semi blown into the

 

> ditch. We drove our little car and the wind even hit it. It

 

> was cooler weather and we put the heater on a while in the

 

> car in the morning. It stayed nice all day long with temps.

 

> at 72 degrees. Just perfect. We went to Devils Tower in

 

> Wyoming. It was so huge. I couldn't believe how huge it was.

 

> Has anyone been there before? We went to Spearfish,

 

> Deadwood- mostly gambling there, Sturgis, Sturgis is getting

 

> ready for all the motorcycles. Some were already there. We

 

> went to Mt. Rushmore- a great park, Reptile Gardens- they put

 

> on real interesting shows about snakes, alligators, birds and

 

> even farm animals., Custer State Park- the little burros came

 

> to get treats from the travelers, Black Hills- a nice drive

 

> through, Keystone- great shopping and helicopters rides,

 

> Piedmont- forest fire there, Wall- Wall Drug and the

 

> Badlands-We enjoyed the drive through the Badlands. They were

 

> very pretty. We stopped on our way back at Kadoka at a cafe

 

> that used to be a gas station. All the ranchers come to eat

 

> there, so thought we would try it. They had great food and

 

> were so friendly there. We stopped at Al's Oasis in

 

> Chamberland- took more pictures and shopping, The Missouri

 

> River goes through there. There were boats out on the water.

 

> It was 101 degrees and sunny while we were there. Mitchell-

 

> was our last night to stay at. We went to the Corn Palace and

 

> Lake Mitchell. We really enjoyed our trip. It went way to

 

> fast. A week isn't long enough time. There are lots more

 

> things to see and do . We drove over 1800 miles. Maybe next

 

> year we can go to North Dakota and some other western states

 

> again. Maybe Charlie will retire next year. Jan and Charlie

 

> PS: We went to Missouri and Arkansas for our 40th Wedding

 

> Anniversary in Feb. We enjoy going there every year too.

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Melanie M Guerra

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Hi Alex,

 

Thanks for the recommendations, we'll try to get to those places on

 

our visit. Actually, on our last trip up your way, when Bubba was the

 

prez, we dined with George,Sr & Barbara at Barnacle Bill's (I think

 

that's the name) in Ogunquit! We didn't really "dine" with them as we

 

were seated outside on the patio when they arrived. Barbara by auto

 

and George came in his boat a little later with his Secret Service

 

entourage and they were seated in the dining room. They were

 

celebrating someone's birthday as I recall. We did get to shake hands

 

and chat for a minute so it was a special day for us. Perhaps we'll

 

have a chance to relive the moment at Barkley's.

 

I do remember the parking shortage in the area so your tip about the

 

fire house will probably be helpful, thank you.

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...>

 

wrote:

 

> Fred,

 

>

 

> In Kennebunkport (in Dock Square - where EVERYTHING

 

> is) there is Allison's Resturant. Pretty good food

 

> there; just before you cross the bridge to Dock Square

 

> on your right is Barkleys - where the Bush Family

 

> dines!!

 

>

 

> Tons of shops in the Dock Square area. Turn right

 

> out of Dock Square (Don't go up the hill) and you're

 

> on Ocean Avenue. A couple of twists and you can take

 

> a ride in a horse drawn carriage, if it's there.

 

>

 

> Further down Ocean Avenue, about 3/4 of mile, on the

 

> right, just after the Nonantum Hotel (one of the old

 

> timers!!) is a little museum, which might be

 

> interesting - even tho I live here I've never stopped

 

> by. Parking across the street.

 

>

 

> Keep following Ocean Avenue and you'll pass the big

 

> Colony Hotel on your left and as you continue you'll

 

> find the Atwater Estate and St. Anne's Church on the

 

> right. Keep on going and you'll find the Bush summer

 

> estate at Walkers Point. You can proceed just beyond

 

> and turn around, or continue on and eventually you'll

 

> end up back in Dock Square.

 

>

 

> Oh, a little hint - parking!!!! About the same

 

> today as it was in 1800 or so - not much. There is a

 

> pay lot in Dock Square behind Allisons, but that's

 

> usually full. You can go up the hill from Dock

 

> Square, turn left at the T onto North Street, and go

 

> out a little bit to a parking lot by the fire station.

 

> Bit of a walk, but the walks are shaded and the

 

> houses magnificant.

 

>

 

> Welcome to the Kennebunks - enjoy your stay.

 

>

 

> Hudsonly,

 

> Alex Burr

 

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Melanie,

 

Check out Alex Burr's replies to my Boston for Chowda' post. He's got

 

some great ideas for southern, coastal Maine (Down East, right

 

Alex?). Not too far up but a terrific area for good food, good sites

 

and very friendly folks.

 

BTW-if you didn't see my follow-up post, we really enjoyed Tia's &

 

Durgin Park. The Chowda' & steamed lobster were very good as you

 

suggested. We did have lunch inside though as it was Super hot

 

outside and we wanted to cool off in their A.C..

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Melanie M Guerra

 

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> hey everyone...i've got a few days all to myself next week...i'm

 

thinking i'll take a trip up from boston...to?? i'm thinking about

 

maine, probably along the coast. don't feel liek portland, don't know

 

if i'll make it to acadia...anyone have some ideas? places to stay?

 

kin dof want to do this one on the cheap, but it doesn't have to be

 

the no-tell motel...i want to be comfy! :) thanks..melanie

 

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One attraction I did forget to mention is the

 

Trolley Museum, just down the road in Arundel. Go

 

north out of Kennebunk, over the river and after that

 

it's the 2nd traffic light by the big flea market on

 

your right (and that's something else to stop and

 

wander around at.) Turn right onto the Log Cabin Road

 

(on your left is the flea market - on your right is

 

where the Log Cabin tourist cabins and Log Cabin

 

Ballroom used to be - now there's an antique shop

 

there).

 

 

 

Anyway, the Seashore Trolley Museum is about 2, 3

 

miles down on your left - across the B&M railroad

 

tracks. And, yes, they have a web site:

 

http://www.trolleymuseum.org/

 

 

 

This is an oldie - been around since 1939. Lots of

 

interesting things to see and do.

 

 

 

Safe Traveling

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

 

 

--- fhazlehurst <fhazlehurst@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Melanie,

 

> Check out Alex Burr's replies to my Boston for

 

> Chowda' post. He's got

 

> some great ideas for southern, coastal Maine (Down

 

> East, right

 

> Alex?). Not too far up but a terrific area for good

 

> food, good sites

 

> and very friendly folks.

 

> BTW-if you didn't see my follow-up post, we really

 

> enjoyed Tia's &

 

> Durgin Park. The Chowda' & steamed lobster were very

 

> good as you

 

> suggested. We did have lunch inside though as it was

 

> Super hot

 

> outside and we wanted to cool off in their A.C..

 

> Fred

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Melanie M

 

> Guerra

 

> <dreambigarts@y...> wrote:

 

> > hey everyone...i've got a few days all to myself

 

> next week...i'm

 

> thinking i'll take a trip up from boston...to?? i'm

 

> thinking about

 

> maine, probably along the coast. don't feel liek

 

> portland, don't know

 

> if i'll make it to acadia...anyone have some ideas?

 

> places to stay?

 

> kin dof want to do this one on the cheap, but it

 

> doesn't have to be

 

> the no-tell motel...i want to be comfy! :)

 

> thanks..melanie

 

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Newbie here, wishing to share s memory or two of old 66. I remember

 

in the early '50's driving through Missouri for miles looking

 

at the red and black diamond shaped signs that announced "Pete's Cafe"

 

in Columbia, MO. Our juices were flowing in hopes of a scrumptious

 

meal at Pete's. As Betty davis would say, "This place is a dump,

 

what a dump." It was, too, but Pete's Cafe provided my family with

 

a source of laughter for many years to follow. I drove by Pete's

 

Cafe for many years and always stopped---------usually for just a

 

coke----never to eat.

 

 

 

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Hi Jennifer,

 

 

 

Well I tell ya what! This is one of the first sites that I/we have been on that

 

I/we havn't read any hostile postings towards others.

 

I belong to several railroad & other groups where at times can get very ugly

 

with nit picking & arguments. Some of the members seem to think that they are

 

higher & mightier (better/too good) than others.

 

 

 

Your/Our group is sure a breath of fresh air with everbody's great wisdom, It

 

sure is alot of fun reading & learning of everyone's journeys/stories/&

 

Information! We've been to all lower 48, DC & most of Canada many times over &

 

am still finding out new & neat places to go to with things to see & do!

 

 

 

Thank You Jennifer!

 

For having such a fun & enjoyable site! My wife & I have only been at this

 

group site for a little over a week now & just love it!

 

 

 

"Happy Trails"

 

 

 

Ken & Brenda, Wisconsin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Good morning!

 

 

 

Since we are having such a steady influx of new members due to our

 

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welcome to our new members!

 

 

 

Glad to see so many members who have pulled up a chair in our virtual

 

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Guest Jennifer

Hi there!

 

 

 

Glad to know you're comfortable here, and you are most welcome! Our

 

golden rule is respect and civility...we're all here to have a good

 

time and share information, and we have successfully (IMHO) fostered

 

that atmosphere. My husband Pat and I, as co-moderators, are

 

actively involved in keeping the list fun and friendly, free of any

 

conflict or hostility. Of course, that doesn't mean we don't

 

welcome respectful discussion and debate! But for the most part, we

 

have not needed to intervene in any flame wars or whatever - as most

 

people on message boards know all too well, nasty flame wars can

 

exist, and there are always folks who exist just to provoke and

 

aggravate others. We have had good success so far in that we have

 

not really had to deal with too much, if any, of that; but if it

 

happens, we would take appropriate action for the good of the list

 

and to maintain the friendly atmosphere here.

 

 

 

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> Hi Jennifer,

 

>

 

> Well I tell ya what! This is one of the first sites that I/we

 

have been on that I/we havn't read any hostile postings towards

 

others.

 

> I belong to several railroad & other groups where at times can get

 

very ugly with nit picking & arguments. Some of the members seem to

 

think that they are higher & mightier (better/too good) than others.

 

>

 

> Your/Our group is sure a breath of fresh air with everbody's great

 

wisdom, It sure is alot of fun reading & learning of everyone's

 

journeys/stories/& Information! We've been to all lower 48, DC &

 

most of Canada many times over & am still finding out new & neat

 

places to go to with things to see & do!

 

>

 

> Thank You Jennifer!

 

> For having such a fun & enjoyable site! My wife & I have only

 

been at this group site for a little over a week now & just love it!

 

>

 

> "Happy Trails"

 

>

 

> Ken & Brenda, Wisconsin.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Jennifer

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:36 AM

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Welcome new members!

 

>

 

>

 

> Good morning!

 

>

 

> Since we are having such a steady influx of new members due to

 

our

 

> listing on the Yahoo groups page, I wanted to again wish a warm

 

> welcome to our new members!

 

>

 

> Glad to see so many members who have pulled up a chair in our

 

virtual

 

> diner and are swapping road stories and information!

 

>

 

> Jennifer Bremer

 

> American Road Yahoo Group Moderator

 

>

 

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>

 

>

 

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Hi Brian,

 

 

 

There are some Burma Shave signs (not original, though) in Illinois on

 

Route 66, but I'm not 100% sure where. My husband Pat thinks they are

 

somewhere near Gardner or that area.

 

 

 

Pat and I have a very cool set of Burma Shave signs made for us for

 

our wedding by fellow list member Emily: http://tinyurl.com/dgdtl

 

 

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Brian and Kerri Wolters"

 

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> Hi..I am expecting not but are there any ORIGINAL Burma Shave signs

 

> still up somewhere in the US?

 

>

 

> I did see replicas of them advertising Reminisce Magazine and it was

 

> basically in the middle of nowhere. Kind of cool!

 

>

 

> Brian

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I believe you're thinking of the set at Godley (part of "greater Gardner").

 

 

 

"Does your husband Misbehave? Grunt and grumble, rant and rave? Shoot the

 

brute some Burma-Shave."

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Jennifer [mailto:jabremer66@aol.com]

 

> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:19 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Burma Shave Signs

 

>

 

>

 

> Hi Brian,

 

>

 

> There are some Burma Shave signs (not original, though) in Illinois on

 

> Route 66, but I'm not 100% sure where. My husband Pat thinks they are

 

> somewhere near Gardner or that area.

 

>

 

> Pat and I have a very cool set of Burma Shave signs made for us for

 

> our wedding by fellow list member Emily: http://tinyurl.com/dgdtl

 

>

 

> Jennifer

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Brian and Kerri Wolters"

 

> <brianwolters@c...> wrote:

 

> > Hi..I am expecting not but are there any ORIGINAL Burma Shave signs

 

> > still up somewhere in the US?

 

> >

 

> > I did see replicas of them advertising Reminisce Magazine and it was

 

> > basically in the middle of nowhere. Kind of cool!

 

> >

 

> > Brian

 

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My husband and I have done the Blue Ridge Parkway many times. It's a

 

great ride. We've also done the Dragon and plan to do it again in

 

August. (We've done these trips on our Harleys)

 

We've also ridden up (and down) Mount Washington on our Harleys. It

 

was a great time.... scary, especially when a car stops on the hill in

 

front of you! We were lucky. It was 50 degrees at the top.

 

Anyone want to know some great riding roads in Vermont and New

 

Hampshire just e mail me and I'll be happy to send you some great

 

routes.

 

Nittah

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Hi there. I have a week of vacation in August and want to take a road

 

trip (solo...me, myself & I....all by myself), but I have no idea where

 

to go, what to see etc. I was thinking maybe south, but am open for

 

any direction. Anyone have any advice? I'm in Cleveland, Ohio.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

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Charlie, Jan & Group,

 

 

 

Did you happen to stop by the Pioneer Auto Museum in Murdo SD.? It's just off of

 

I-90 to the northwest of the exit.

 

We stopped by there one evening to eat but didn't have time to go through the

 

museum.

 

Back when we stopped a few years ago, The restaurant was in kind of 50's

 

setting. At least that's how I felt about it.

 

They also have a large store inside with the restaurant that has 50's & 60's

 

type memorabelia (in reproduction).

 

 

 

We got there when the buffet was closing, The owner went out of his way to keep

 

it open for us & offered to make more of some of the items that were gone. We

 

happily turned that offer down. It was realy good food! He even gave us a

 

discount on the food because it would have just gone to waste if we hadn't

 

stopped.

 

He was a very, very kind gentleman, He even visited & chatted with us for a

 

while.

 

 

 

We'll be making this a regular stop from now on when we venture out that way

 

again!

 

 

 

Also, There is an 1880's museum near if I remember right,.....Stamford SD.

 

They have alot of the props/ pictures/ info.from the movie film called "Dances

 

With Wolves" They also have the wagons & mules Jim & Jake there too. They use

 

to have one of the horses that played Cisco's double too. But wasn't there on

 

our last visit!

 

 

 

PS; Another Historic site to visit would be Wounded Knee! No comercialism

 

attractions here,

 

When we visited the grave & massacare site, We met a Native American there at a

 

trading post/table selling what he himself had made, Very good quality if I may

 

add! We visited for a better part of an hour learning from his words of wisdom

 

of this site! I'm pretty bad when it comes to names, But if I remember

 

correctly, His name was Standing Bear or something like that.

 

From what I remember, He travels to Sweeden in the winter months as a teacher.

 

We felt very sad looking at the names & the graves after finding out the truth

 

of this event!.........But am very glad that we stopped by! This is one site

 

that we hope never perishes! Some of the graves were decorated with eagle &

 

other feathers as well as with other Native American ornaments.

 

 

 

 

 

Just thought I'd ask & mention these few places.

 

 

 

Ken & Brenda

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:24 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] We are back

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, We just got home from South Dakota and Wyoming. We left home Saturday

 

morning. It was such a nice day. The first night we stayed in Kodaka,SD 99

 

degrees and sunny. It was 71 miles from Rapids City. That interstate driving

 

scares me. We went to interstate 90 in Albert Lea,MN. It was 70 miles an hour.

 

When we got over in South Dakota it was 75 mph. My kind of traveling is small

 

highways and slower pace. It is a long way across South Dakota. From Kadoka went

 

to Rapids City.The wind was so bad. We saw one semi blown into the ditch. We

 

drove our little car and the wind even hit it. It was cooler weather and we put

 

the heater on a while in the car in the morning. It stayed nice all day long

 

with temps. at 72 degrees. Just perfect. We went to Devils Tower in Wyoming. It

 

was so huge. I couldn't believe how huge it was. Has anyone been there before?

 

We went to Spearfish, Deadwood- mostly gambling there, Sturgis, Sturgis is

 

getting ready for all the motorcycles. Some were already there. We went to Mt.

 

Rushmore- a great park, Reptile Gardens- they put on real interesting shows

 

about snakes, alligators, birds and even farm animals., Custer State Park- the

 

little burros came to get treats from the travelers, Black Hills- a nice drive

 

through, Keystone- great shopping and helicopters rides, Piedmont- forest fire

 

there, Wall- Wall Drug and the Badlands-We enjoyed the drive through the

 

Badlands. They were very pretty. We stopped on our way back at Kadoka at a cafe

 

that used to be a gas station. All the ranchers come to eat there, so thought we

 

would try it. They had great food and were so friendly there. We stopped at Al's

 

Oasis in Chamberland- took more pictures and shopping, The Missouri River goes

 

through there. There were boats out on the water. It was 101 degrees and sunny

 

while we were there. Mitchell- was our last night to stay at. We went to the

 

Corn Palace and Lake Mitchell. We really enjoyed our trip. It went way to fast.

 

A week isn't long enough time. There are lots more things to see and do . We

 

drove over 1800 miles. Maybe next year we can go to North Dakota and some other

 

western states again. Maybe Charlie will retire next year. Jan and Charlie

 

PS: We went to Missouri and Arkansas for our 40th Wedding Anniversary in Feb.

 

We enjoy going there every year too.

 

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> Assuming that the actual New Rome municipality is no

 

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> blob, was it

 

> annexed into an adjacent city (ie, Columbus), etc?

 

 

 

Remind me in a month to tell you, (I'm moving back to

 

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the area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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We got to see lots of corvettes. When we stopped at a gift shop they were

 

telling how many corvetteswere there. One man said he thought over 400 were

 

still there when we got out there. We got there on the 17th. We saw a lot of

 

the same year cars. Only a few older ones. Jan

 

----- Original Message -----

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:53 PM

 

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My son is passing through that area now and I'm starting to consider a trip

 

there for next year. My initial thoughts are to cover just about the same

 

area as you did. Seems like there are a significant number of attractions in

 

a relatively small area (after the drive halfway across the country:-),

 

 

 

Since you didn't comment on Corvettes in Spearfish, you must have just

 

missed the Black Hills Corvette Classic. It was July 13-16 and there should

 

have been a few hundred 'Vettes running around the area.

 

 

 

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> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Charlie and Jan [mailto:cchase@alpinecom.net]

 

> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:24 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] We are back

 

>

 

> Hi, We just got home from South Dakota and Wyoming. We left

 

> home Saturday morning. It was such a nice day. The first

 

> night we stayed in Kodaka,SD 99 degrees and sunny. It was 71

 

> miles from Rapids City. That interstate driving scares me. We

 

> went to interstate 90 in Albert Lea,MN. It was 70 miles an

 

> hour. When we got over in South Dakota it was 75 mph. My

 

> kind of traveling is small highways and slower pace. It is a

 

> long way across South Dakota. From Kadoka went to Rapids

 

> City.The wind was so bad. We saw one semi blown into the

 

> ditch. We drove our little car and the wind even hit it. It

 

> was cooler weather and we put the heater on a while in the

 

> car in the morning. It stayed nice all day long with temps.

 

> at 72 degrees. Just perfect. We went to Devils Tower in

 

> Wyoming. It was so huge. I couldn't believe how huge it was.

 

> Has anyone been there before? We went to Spearfish,

 

> Deadwood- mostly gambling there, Sturgis, Sturgis is getting

 

> ready for all the motorcycles. Some were already there. We

 

> went to Mt. Rushmore- a great park, Reptile Gardens- they put

 

> on real interesting shows about snakes, alligators, birds and

 

> even farm animals., Custer State Park- the little burros came

 

> to get treats from the travelers, Black Hills- a nice drive

 

> through, Keystone- great shopping and helicopters rides,

 

> Piedmont- forest fire there, Wall- Wall Drug and the

 

> Badlands-We enjoyed the drive through the Badlands. They were

 

> very pretty. We stopped on our way back at Kadoka at a cafe

 

> that used to be a gas station. All the ranchers come to eat

 

> there, so thought we would try it. They had great food and

 

> were so friendly there. We stopped at Al's Oasis in

 

> Chamberland- took more pictures and shopping, The Missouri

 

> River goes through there. There were boats out on the water.

 

> It was 101 degrees and sunny while we were there. Mitchell-

 

> was our last night to stay at. We went to the Corn Palace and

 

> Lake Mitchell. We really enjoyed our trip. It went way to

 

> fast. A week isn't long enough time. There are lots more

 

> things to see and do . We drove over 1800 miles. Maybe next

 

> year we can go to North Dakota and some other western states

 

> again. Maybe Charlie will retire next year. Jan and Charlie

 

> PS: We went to Missouri and Arkansas for our 40th Wedding

 

> Anniversary in Feb. We enjoy going there every year too.

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

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Yes, we went to the Pioneer Auto Museum. It was very interesting. We ate at the

 

restaurant too. We seen the 1880 Western town, but we haven't been to Wounded

 

Knee. There are so many things to see we didn't have time to do them all. We are

 

looking forward to go again next year. I should keep a list of the ones we need

 

to stop at, but then by that time I would have lost the list. I am not to

 

organized. Jan

 

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Charlie, Jan & Group,

 

 

 

Did you happen to stop by the Pioneer Auto Museum in Murdo SD.? It's just off

 

of I-90 to the northwest of the exit.

 

We stopped by there one evening to eat but didn't have time to go through the

 

museum.

 

Back when we stopped a few years ago, The restaurant was in kind of 50's

 

setting. At least that's how I felt about it.

 

They also have a large store inside with the restaurant that has 50's & 60's

 

type memorabelia (in reproduction).

 

 

 

We got there when the buffet was closing, The owner went out of his way to

 

keep it open for us & offered to make more of some of the items that were gone.

 

We happily turned that offer down. It was realy good food! He even gave us a

 

discount on the food because it would have just gone to waste if we hadn't

 

stopped.

 

He was a very, very kind gentleman, He even visited & chatted with us for a

 

while.

 

 

 

We'll be making this a regular stop from now on when we venture out that way

 

again!

 

 

 

Also, There is an 1880's museum near if I remember right,.....Stamford SD.

 

They have alot of the props/ pictures/ info.from the movie film called "Dances

 

With Wolves" They also have the wagons & mules Jim & Jake there too. They use

 

to have one of the horses that played Cisco's double too. But wasn't there on

 

our last visit!

 

 

 

PS; Another Historic site to visit would be Wounded Knee! No comercialism

 

attractions here,

 

When we visited the grave & massacare site, We met a Native American there at

 

a trading post/table selling what he himself had made, Very good quality if I

 

may add! We visited for a better part of an hour learning from his words of

 

wisdom of this site! I'm pretty bad when it comes to names, But if I remember

 

correctly, His name was Standing Bear or something like that.

 

From what I remember, He travels to Sweeden in the winter months as a teacher.

 

We felt very sad looking at the names & the graves after finding out the truth

 

of this event!.........But am very glad that we stopped by! This is one site

 

that we hope never perishes! Some of the graves were decorated with eagle &

 

other feathers as well as with other Native American ornaments.

 

 

 

 

 

Just thought I'd ask & mention these few places.

 

 

 

Ken & Brenda

 

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highways and slower pace. It is a long way across South Dakota. From Kadoka went

 

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drove our little car and the wind even hit it. It was cooler weather and we put

 

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with temps. at 72 degrees. Just perfect. We went to Devils Tower in Wyoming. It

 

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Badlands. They were very pretty. We stopped on our way back at Kadoka at a cafe

 

that used to be a gas station. All the ranchers come to eat there, so thought we

 

would try it. They had great food and were so friendly there. We stopped at Al's

 

Oasis in Chamberland- took more pictures and shopping, The Missouri River goes

 

through there. There were boats out on the water. It was 101 degrees and sunny

 

while we were there. Mitchell- was our last night to stay at. We went to the

 

Corn Palace and Lake Mitchell. We really enjoyed our trip. It went way to fast.

 

A week isn't long enough time. There are lots more things to see and do . We

 

drove over 1800 miles. Maybe next year we can go to North Dakota and some other

 

western states again. Maybe Charlie will retire next year. Jan and Charlie

 

PS: We went to Missouri and Arkansas for our 40th Wedding Anniversary in

 

Feb. We enjoy going there every year too.

 

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Guest goldenstatehighways

Hello:

 

 

 

Next month a friend & I will be taking a roadtrip from Bishop,

 

California to Salt Lake City, Utah driving along the following us

 

routes 6,50,89,old 91,40,189 always looking out for old alignments of

 

each route.

 

 

 

I need some suggestions on some old alignments to look out for.

 

 

 

I have a question for anyone who remembers us 40 pre freeway from I-80

 

to Jordanville res. was NB or SB the old highway? Also the road

 

leading up to the dam I belive to be old us 40?

 

 

 

Any old alignment from exit 130 to 148 on I-80.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Joel

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Guest Mark Kasprowicz

Alex and all,

 

First a quick intro as this is my first post here. My wife and I live

 

in England but try to get over to the States as much as we can which

 

at present is for around nine or ten weeks a year. We're based in the

 

SW area of Colorado but have travelled throughout the Rocky Mountain

 

and Pacific coast States. We avoid interstates and use old roads and

 

dirt track whenever possible. We've been coming back now for 8 years

 

and still find delightful surprises on every visit.

 

 

 

> crossing mountain ranges with 2 feet

 

> between the outer wheels and drops of several hundred feet.

 

 

 

Roads like these still exist in the mountains. They range in

 

difficulty. In SW Colorado the easy route would be from Silverton to

 

Animas City while at the opposite end of the scale would be Black Bear

 

pass. They're all dirt roads, usually just wide enough for one

 

vechicle and they're usually a shelf, edging up the mountain. But you

 

can save time. You can save a good hour on the journey from Durango to

 

Denver by heading over Engineer pass and going via Lake Ciry, provided

 

you have the right car and don't mind sheer drops.

 

A year or so ago my wife, who doesn't like off roading, suggested we

 

take a trip along the Lime Creek road North of Durango, CO. At the

 

start of the road is a sign which says that it was an old Ute and

 

trapper road and that by today's standards it was 'primitive and

 

treacherous'. She only read as far as 'primitive'.

 

The journey uphill was bumpy but wide. When we finally got to the top

 

the route down was a typical shelf, One vehicle wide, steep rock face

 

on one side and a three or four hundred foot drop, two feet from the

 

edge on her side!

 

After a couple of miles, we saw a road sign in the distance. VERY

 

unusual to find any sort of sign on a road like this. When we got to

 

it much to my wife's dismay it said 'Road Narrows'. And it did.

 

Two miles later another sign with exactly the same message. This time

 

we had to drive the car right up against the rock face and my wife had

 

to spot if the rear wheel would clear or not. Fortunatly the area

 

affected was only about 20 yards long.

 

The upside of that drive was the sheer beauty of that valley, the

 

aspen in fall and the vastness of it all was breathtaking.

 

Mark Kasprowicz.

 

PS Nomination for the least pleasant road in our experience. Our vote

 

goes to the Extra Terrestial Highway in Nevada at night in a rain

 

storm. We didn't see a town or another vechicle for 140 miles!

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The Black Bear Road was memorialized by C. W. McCall

 

in a song by the same name - pardon the lengthy post,

 

but it echo's Marks story:

 

 

 

Black Bear Road

 

By Bill Fries & Chip Davis

 

 

 

Me an' R.J. an' the kids was on a camp out in the

 

mountains, an' we had us one a' them U-Drive-'Em Army

 

Jeep cars which we had rented from a fella by the name

 

a' Kuboske for thirty bucks a day, buy yer gas along

 

the way, take a rabbit's foot, an' leave a pint a'

 

blood for a deeposit

 

 

 

An' he'd 'splained it all to us how we's 'sposed to

 

git to Telluride, which was fifty miles away by way of

 

the regular highway, however there was a short-cut,

 

BUT, unless we had drove the Black Bear Road before,

 

we'd be, well, we'd be better off to stay in bed an'

 

sleep late (now pay no 'ttention to the guitar there)

 

 

 

Well we took up off'n th' highway, an we come upon a

 

sign sez "Black Bear Road - You Don't Have To Be Crazy

 

To Drive This Road, But It Helps", I sez to, R.J. this

 

must be the short cut road Kuboske's a talkin' about.

 

She didn't pay no mind 'cause she's busy makin peanut

 

butter sanwiches for the kids in the back seat,

 

throwin' rocks, an' drinkin' KoolAid, an' playing

 

"Count The License Plates On Cars", but they wasn't a

 

havin' too much fun playin' Count The License Plates

 

On Cars, well 'cause there wern't no other cars

 

 

 

Went about a mile an' a half, in about four hours,

 

busted off the right front fender, an' tore a hole in

 

the oil pan on a rock as big as a hall closet, went

 

over a bump an' spilt the Kool-Aid, an' Roy Gene stuck

 

his bolo knife right through the convertible top, an'

 

the dog threw up all over the back seat (peanut butter

 

don't agree with him see)

 

 

 

So we had to stop, an' take off the top, an' air

 

everything out, an' clean it up. The dog run off, an'

 

R.J. sez she felt her asthma comin' on. I's settin'

 

there wonderin' what to do, when the en-tire scenic

 

San-Gee-Juan U-Drive-'Em Army Jeep Car sank in the mud

 

(at thirteen thousand feet above sea level!)

 

 

 

Well we shoveled it out, an' ate our lunch, the dog

 

made a yellow hole in the snow, an' Roy Gene got out

 

his Instamatic an' took a snapshot of it. Mary

 

Elizabeth drawed a picture of the road. It looked like

 

a whole bunch of Zs an' Ws all strung together, an'

 

R.J. took one look at that picture, and said the only

 

way she's goin' down that Jeep car road 'as over her

 

dead body, an' then a rock slipped out from under the

 

wheel, and the U-Drive-'Em Army Jeep Car, well it went

 

right over, right over the edge of a cliff

 

(Whah-Haa-Haa-Haa-Hoo-Hoo-Hoo)

 

 

 

Doggonit Roy Gene, when I tell ya to put a rock under

 

the wheel, I mean ROCK, now look at that what you had

 

there ain't no bigger then a grapefruit

 

 

 

Safe and Happy Travels.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

 

 

--- Mark Kasprowicz <marowicz@frontier.net> wrote:

 

 

 

> Alex and all,

 

> First a quick intro as this is my first post here.

 

> My wife and I live

 

> in England but try to get over to the States as much

 

> as we can which

 

> at present is for around nine or ten weeks a year.

 

> We're based in the

 

> SW area of Colorado but have travelled throughout

 

> the Rocky Mountain

 

> and Pacific coast States. We avoid interstates and

 

> use old roads and

 

> dirt track whenever possible. We've been coming back

 

> now for 8 years

 

> and still find delightful surprises on every visit.

 

>

 

> > crossing mountain ranges with 2 feet

 

> > between the outer wheels and drops of several

 

> hundred feet.

 

>

 

> Roads like these still exist in the mountains. They

 

> range in

 

> difficulty. In SW Colorado the easy route would be

 

> from Silverton to

 

> Animas City while at the opposite end of the scale

 

> would be Black Bear

 

> pass. They're all dirt roads, usually just wide

 

> enough for one

 

> vechicle and they're usually a shelf, edging up the

 

> mountain. But you

 

> can save time. You can save a good hour on the

 

> journey from Durango to

 

> Denver by heading over Engineer pass and going via

 

> Lake Ciry, provided

 

> you have the right car and don't mind sheer drops.

 

> A year or so ago my wife, who doesn't like off

 

> roading, suggested we

 

> take a trip along the Lime Creek road North of

 

> Durango, CO. At the

 

> start of the road is a sign which says that it was

 

> an old Ute and

 

> trapper road and that by today's standards it was

 

> 'primitive and

 

> treacherous'. She only read as far as 'primitive'.

 

> The journey uphill was bumpy but wide. When we

 

> finally got to the top

 

> the route down was a typical shelf, One vehicle

 

> wide, steep rock face

 

> on one side and a three or four hundred foot drop,

 

> two feet from the

 

> edge on her side!

 

> After a couple of miles, we saw a road sign in the

 

> distance. VERY

 

> unusual to find any sort of sign on a road like

 

> this. When we got to

 

> it much to my wife's dismay it said 'Road Narrows'.

 

> And it did.

 

> Two miles later another sign with exactly the same

 

> message. This time

 

> we had to drive the car right up against the rock

 

> face and my wife had

 

> to spot if the rear wheel would clear or not.

 

> Fortunatly the area

 

> affected was only about 20 yards long.

 

> The upside of that drive was the sheer beauty of

 

> that valley, the

 

> aspen in fall and the vastness of it all was

 

> breathtaking.

 

> Mark Kasprowicz.

 

> PS Nomination for the least pleasant road in our

 

> experience. Our vote

 

> goes to the Extra Terrestial Highway in Nevada at

 

> night in a rain

 

> storm. We didn't see a town or another vechicle for

 

> 140 miles!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

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but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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