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I forgot the link to the Lobster Shack. There are directions too. Have

 

fun whereever you go.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.lobstershack-twolights.com/index.htm

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kinsey <alf@...> wrote:

 

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> Charlene and I are planning a trip to New England this fall. We will be

 

> leaving Sept 29th and flying into Hartford, CT. We will pick up a

 

car and

 

> probably spend the night in that area. From there we will be going into

 

> Vermont, New Hampshire, and then into Maine. We leave Hartford on

 

Oct 16th.

 

> I am looking for some suggestions on places to stay. Do you have any

 

> recommendations? Also, are there any things that we should perhaps see

 

> while there? We are in the planning stages at the present time.

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Stidham" <actionsub@g...>

 

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> I had an uncle that lived a few miles out of Doniphan for a few

 

years. Given the choice, I'd take the Doniphan/Poplar Bluff scenery

 

over Branson/Springfield.

 

>

 

>

 

> --

 

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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed

 

 

 

What was your uncles name? I might know of him.

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Big Spring is quite a site, and the Current River is gorgeous (Van Buren

 

saved the old truss bridge across the river, which is now a walking

 

bridge)...also if you go west on US 60 from Van Buren to SR 19, you can go

 

north and see a couple of the other "big" springs that Missouri has to

 

offer, Alley Spring by Eminence (about 5 miles W of Eminence on SR 106) and

 

Round Spring off SR 19 about 13 miles north of Eminence--19 is a beautiful

 

drive in and of itself...it is a little harder to find, but if you go South

 

on SR19 from the intersection with US 60 there is Greer Spring on the Eleven

 

Point River...it is a walk in walk out place but it is worth the walk!

 

Tsingtao, Kip

 

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> Hello everyone,

 

> I just joined this group a couple days ago and so happy I did. In the

 

> past 48 hours there has been much talk about my native homeland. I

 

> was born and raised in the Doniphan(Mo.) area. About 40 miles west of

 

> Poplar Bluff. You all are right about the narrow, curvy roads in that

 

> area but they are a wonderful drive if you have time and want to

 

> sight see your way to Branson or Springfield. If you go near Van

 

> Bureun or Big Springs, Please take the time to stop in and see Big

 

> Springs, its just that, a BIG Spring. and much worth the stop.

 

> When I grew up and got out of school (Doniphan High) I moved to St.

 

> Louis, as do many of the young ones do. There isnt much to make a

 

> living in the Doniphan area. In St. Louis I lived all around the

 

> Hwy66.

 

> July 2 years ago I moved from the Troy, Mo. area (which is on old Hwy

 

> 66.

 

> I have semi retired in the Great Smokey Mts. of TN. I live in

 

> Sevierville, Tn. I would like to hear from the person living in

 

> Clarksville that is also a native Missourian.

 

> I lost my husband to cancer in 2002 and we didn't get to travel the

 

> US at retirement as we had planned to do. So I am going to sit here

 

> and see it through your eyes. Hope you don't mind my tagging along

 

> with ya.

 

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Delaware has done so to an extent. Some US highways are

 

fair game for small town officers, but the state courts

 

have taken the right away from the town of Newport to do so

 

on one state highway that goes over the town. It makes

 

sense really, speeding doesn't affect that town if it's an

 

overpass. Now, a surface four lane street.....another

 

story.

 

 

 

Matt Smallwood

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:13:45 -0000

 

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> In Illinois, the law is constructed so that it's not

 

> cost-effective

 

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> In Oklahoma, not so much. A few municipalities abuse

 

> their ability to

 

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> > Allentown PA

 

> > Home of Brooklands Speedway and Cherrington Park

 

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hi mike. i dont know what say. im mark forcadas. from philippines. plan to go

 

america someday.im also dissatistifed with my carrer here, so i plan to continue

 

my study in america but their is a lot of contrians, financially unstable and

 

new apprentise in the world of indepandence that's one of my million hendrances

 

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hightailed it back to the Chicago suburbs.

 

 

 

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> I had an uncle that lived a few miles out of Doniphan for a few

 

years. Given the choice, I'd take the Doniphan/Poplar Bluff scenery

 

over Branson/Springfield.

 

>

 

>

 

> --

 

>

 

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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed

 

 

 

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Fred Stidham. Lived outside of town in a development called Ran-Cha-Ra for a

 

few years in the 70's after he retired. He got dissatisfied with the

 

availability of rural health care after awhile and hightailed it back to the

 

Chicago suburbs.

 

 

 

He, my dad, and their brothers were born in Alabama; but when they were young,

 

their widowed father married a woman from the bootheel area and they moved up

 

around Hayti and Kennett.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:08 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: newby too

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Stidham" <actionsub@g...>

 

wrote:

 

> I had an uncle that lived a few miles out of Doniphan for a few

 

years. Given the choice, I'd take the Doniphan/Poplar Bluff scenery

 

over Branson/Springfield.

 

>

 

>

 

> --

 

>

 

>

 

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed

 

 

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "msclp2001" <mary@m...> wrote:

 

> I stumbled across a great photographers site last night, and thought

 

some folks here might

 

> be interested in it. He has some photos of Holyland on it, along

 

with lots of other great

 

> modern ruins.

 

>

 

> http://www.oboylephoto.com/ruins/index.htm

 

>

 

Thanks Mary,

 

 

 

It's great to read the posts here and especially like the links to the

 

types of things on the old roads. I hope on my wife's and I's 25th

 

anniversary when we travel US 61 from New Orleans to Thunder Bay Canada

 

we can capture these types of photos.

 

 

 

Charles

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Thanks Pat,

 

Didn't really want to know that so was happy to see the chart didn't cover my

 

Winnebago at 8mpg.

 

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In a message dated 8/3/06 8:38:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

thehinge@magpage.com writes:

 

 

 

So, this pic was taken in Shenandoah NP, PJ? I would have

 

guessed there or Smoky Mtns. NP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

=================================================================

 

Speaking of Shenandoah National Park, has anyone been to Rockfish Gap

 

lately? That's where Skyline Drive, the Blue Ridge Parkway, US 250 and I-64 all

 

meet. At one tiime it was a really busy place: lots of tourists going to the

 

Drive or the Parkway, or from one to the other.

 

 

 

I took 250 up from Charlottesville yesterday and found an eerie landscape of

 

abandoned buildings. The only one in use seemed to be the tourist information

 

place. One of the hotels may still be in business; I really couldn't tell.

 

One of the buildings had a telltale orange roof. I remember having lunch at

 

that HoJo in 1974.

 

 

 

I took the Parkway 27 miles south to Virginia 56. I was expecting it to be

 

very busy; it was a Saturday in August after all. I figured I'd get stuck

 

behind at least one RV doing 10mph. But there was hardly anyone up there.

 

 

 

I can't figure out how such a major crossroads as Rockfish Gap turned into a

 

ghost town. I also read that the restaurant at Panorama (Skyline Drive and US

 

211) had reopened. Anyone know anything about that?

 

 

 

Tom Hoffman

 

Pearisburg VA

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HI all,

 

I was turned on to this show by another friend. I caught it last night and

 

it was VERY GOOD

 

The synopsis is

 

"Alton Brown heads west from South Carolina coast as he sets off on his cross

 

country motorbike trip in search of regional foods across the country."

 

It is also interspersed with little bits of wisdom such as

 

"A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving" Lao Tzu.

 

If you get a chance to catch it do so, you won't be disappointed

 

Lulu

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Guest Larry Kinsey

Will be leaving the 7th of Oct. for Burlington, Wisconsin to visit my

 

brother and his family for a few days. Then its off to explore Wisconsin

 

and the upper Michigan. I plan on doing so hiking on the park trails as

 

well as stopping by the House on the Rock, Baraboo, the Dells. Then over

 

to Manitowoc, Green Bay, and points along the lakes. Any other suggestions

 

would be appreciated. Having lived for a while in New Richmond, I may go

 

over to the Northwestern part of the state. I am still in the planning stages.

 

 

 

Larry

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In a message dated 9/18/05 12:46:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

yttrailman@yellowstonetrail.org writes:

 

Explore the township roads from one to six miles east and

 

south of the Center to enjoy the loons, the authentic north woods, and the

 

quiet. Colors should be still be great.

 

====================================================================

 

You mentioned the UP. Don't miss the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore. My

 

trip was a while ago (1985). I don't know what's changed. I drove a gravel road

 

for 50 miles from Grand Marais to Munising. Munisiing is a neat little town.

 

There are little waterfalls that pop up on back streets. I skipped the boat

 

tour of the Pictured Rocks because it was a foggy day.Don't know whether it'll

 

still be running in October or not.

 

 

 

The North Country National Scenic Trail crosses the UP parallel to US 2,

 

running to the north of it. Speaking of Route 2, don't miss the 50 or so miles

 

where it runs right along Lake Michigan west of St. Ignace.

 

 

 

Tom Hoffman

 

Pearisburg VA

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Guest John Wm. Ridge

Try the Ice Age National Scientific Reserve Interpretation Center on County

 

M about eight miles east of New Auburn. New Auburn is on US 53 north of

 

Eau Claire. Explore the township roads from one to six miles east and

 

south of the Center to enjoy the loons, the authentic north woods, and the

 

quiet. Colors should be still be great.

 

 

 

JWR

 

 

 

At 9/18/2005, you wrote:

 

>Will be leaving the 7th of Oct. for Burlington, Wisconsin to visit my

 

>brother and his family for a few days. Then its off to explore Wisconsin

 

>and the upper Michigan. I plan on doing so hiking on the park trails as

 

>well as stopping by the House on the Rock, Baraboo, the Dells. Then over

 

>to Manitowoc, Green Bay, and points along the lakes. Any other suggestions

 

>would be appreciated. Having lived for a while in New Richmond, I may go

 

>over to the Northwestern part of the state. I am still in the planning

 

>stages.

 

>

 

>Larry

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Hi Larry,

 

 

 

Here's just a couple of web sites for some places that you just might like to

 

see!

 

 

 

www.almawisconsin.com

 

www.genoawi.com

 

www.explorelacrosse.com

 

www.explorewisconsin.com

 

http://discoverwisconsin.com or discoverwisconsin.com

 

 

 

Just a little info to take into consideration if you happen to go this way,

 

 

 

Just to the north of Dodgeville Wi. on Hwy 23 (south of the House on the Rock)

 

there is a hotel/restaurant If I remember correctly it's called Don Q Inn.

 

There is a large cargo plane that sits in the front yard area. This aircraft was

 

used in a comercial many years ago for (Lincoln Mercury)

 

With Farah Fawset, Her autograph is on the port side (left) of the craft. They

 

do let people tour the inside of this aircraft.

 

It's neat to see, They actually landed this bird on site! We were told that it

 

was more of a crash landing attempt than an intended landing!

 

 

 

Near Pairie Du Chien Wi. there is a state park called Wyalusing S.P. this has a

 

very nice scenic overlook of the valley area where the Wisconsin & Mississippi

 

rivers meet.

 

There is alot to see in the Prarie Du Chein area as far as history & scenic

 

beauty!

 

 

 

From there, Take Hwy 35 (Great River Road) north towards La Crosse Wi.

 

This is a very nice drive along the mighty Mississippi River but does get busy

 

at times.

 

At Genoa Wi. there is a lock & dam # 8, Not sure if this is open to the public

 

anymore after 9/11. We use to watch the Barges go through the locks at the

 

visitor center platform & visit with the Lock operators, They were a nice bunch

 

of folks to talk & visit with when they had the time. We even chatted with the

 

Barge crews as they worked several feet away.

 

 

 

About a mile north of Genoa on Hwy 35, There is an overlook picnic area (look

 

for signs), This is a very awesome overlook. When you park at the parking area

 

on top of the bluff area, There is a small blacktop walkway that will take you

 

up to the highest point here, The walkway begins across from the bathrooms.

 

 

 

Next would be Grandad Bluff on the east side of La Crosse near the golf course.

 

This overlooks the La crosse area.

 

 

 

Next would be Alma Wi. Lock & Dam # 4 is located here. Once again I'm not sure

 

about what the public status is for here.

 

If you're into watching trains, There is a neat walk bridge that goes over the

 

trackage that leads to the L.D.. You'd be about 8 feet above the trains. What a

 

rush when they go by!!!

 

 

 

The Hotel Resaurant in Alma has very good food, The people of the area are kind

 

& tend to wave alot,.........It's a very people friendly area as though you were

 

part of the family!

 

Just to the east of Alma there is a park called Buena Vista Park located on top

 

of the bluff. This is a very peacful place that overlooks the Missississipi

 

River, Alma, Lock& Dam, Power Plant (to the south) etc.

 

 

 

To the east of Alma the back roads are scenic that wind & curve through the

 

area, The non highway back roads are more fun to explore on. Especialy on a

 

Motorcycle!

 

 

 

 

 

Well,................These are "just a few" of the thousands of neat places to

 

visit!

 

I think my wife & I are a little over due for a trip along here ourselves, We

 

use to take our neices & nephews on this trek several times a year just to get

 

away from it all! Since we had room we thought we'd bring a few of the kids

 

along to enjoy the trip.

 

It's neat to see the kids's faces when they each got to see a Bald Eagle(s) in

 

person in the wild for the first time!

 

 

 

 

 

Ken, Whitewater Wisconsin

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Upcoming trip to Wisconsin

 

 

 

 

 

Will be leaving the 7th of Oct. for Burlington, Wisconsin to visit my

 

brother and his family for a few days. Then its off to explore Wisconsin

 

and the upper Michigan. I plan on doing so hiking on the park trails as

 

well as stopping by the House on the Rock, Baraboo, the Dells. Then over

 

to Manitowoc, Green Bay, and points along the lakes. Any other suggestions

 

would be appreciated. Having lived for a while in New Richmond, I may go

 

over to the Northwestern part of the state. I am still in the planning

 

stages.

 

 

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If you head to Indianhead Country, cruisin US 53 up north has all sorts of

 

great stuff:

 

--Eau Claire: Woo's Chinese Pagoda: the coolest Chinese Roadhouse in

 

America--especially at night with the neon blazing.

 

--Tilden, WI: located exactly halfway between the equator and the North

 

Pole, cute little town.

 

--Spooner WI, an awesome little northwoods villa.

 

--Hayward, WI, home of the Great Muskie at the Fishing Hall Of Fame...

 

 

 

If you get up there, there is a little bar 13 miles N of Spooner on Highway

 

K called the Mac Lake Tavern...it is owned by my sister in law, Kelly

 

Grimes...stop in and tell her Kip sent you; she will make you feel right at

 

home...

 

 

 

Have fun in the northwoods! Tsingtao, Kip

 

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> Speaking of Route 2, don't miss the 50 or so miles

 

> where it runs right along Lake Michigan west of St. Ignace.

 

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> Tom Hoffman

 

> Pearisburg VA

 

 

 

Agreed, Tom. We were just on US 2 last weekend. We spent Saturday

 

night in Iron Mountain, MI and took 2 over to Mackinaw City. That

 

stretch along Lake Michigan is one of the best drives in the midwest.

 

US 2 runs through some nice little towns to explore (Escanaba,

 

Manistique).

 

 

 

Larry, if you make it over to the St. Ignace/Mackinaw City region

 

(highly recommended if you've never crossed the 4 1/2 mile Mackinac

 

Bridge: http://roadtripmemories.com/trips/mackinaw2003.htm) be sure

 

to make that an overnight stop. Mackinaw City is a great little

 

tourist place, not to mention what's on Mackinac Island. Also, the

 

regional treat up there are these things called "pasties". Just about

 

every little cafe along US 2 in the UP offers them. Our favorite so

 

far is the Mackinaw Pastie & Cookie Company:

 

http://www.mackinawpastie.com/ . A couple of other good restaurants

 

in Mack City are Cunningham's and The Embers (the tables & chairs in

 

there look like something right out of the restaurant of a Holiday

 

Inn, circa 1972). If you're into fudge, Mackinaw is the capital.

 

We've sampled just about everyone & Joann's Fudge (

 

http://www.joannsfudge.com/) is tops.

 

 

 

As for motels up there, this is a good time of the year to get deals.

 

We stayed at the Northwinds Motel last Sunday in Mackinaw City. It

 

was right on Lake Huron with a fantastic view of the bridge:

 

http://www.mackinawcitymotels.com/pages/3/index.htm . Reasonably

 

priced at $39.95 for two.

 

 

 

Next time we get up there in a year or two, we'll probably do a

 

little more exploring in St. Ignace and on Mackinac Island. I think

 

Jennifer's going to be working on last weekend's "Loop around Lake

 

Michigan" trip for our website, so I'll be sure to post a note when

 

it's ready.

 

 

 

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URL: http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/399754metro10-18-05.htm

 

 

 

Tuesday, October 18, 2005

 

Chavez Fights To Save Motel

 

By Jim Ludwick and Olivier Uyttebrouck

 

Albuquerque Journal Staff Writers

 

 

 

Mayor Martin Chavez said Monday he will oppose a zoning change that

 

could lead to demolition of El Vado Motel, which he said is historic and

 

should be preserved.

 

 

 

The motel, at Central and New York near the BioPark, is on the

 

National Register of Historic Buildings and is "too important to be

 

demolished."

 

 

 

Richard L. Gonzales, who is buying El Vado, wants to develop 10

 

townhomes on the site, according to documents filed with the city. He is

 

asking the city to rezone the property from commercial zoning to "RT"

 

zoning, which allows townhouses.

 

 

 

The mayor said, "I have as a private citizen written to each member of

 

the Environmental Planning Commission, asking them to refrain from any

 

action that would allow the present owners to demolish El Vado."

 

 

 

He said his administration would work with the owner to find a way to

 

preserve the structure, although he said it doesn't matter if it is used for

 

something other than a motel.

 

 

 

The motel's future has drawn wide interest from Route 66 enthusiasts-

 

including a man from Germany who sent an e-mail to the Journal saying his

 

recent trip along the "good old Mother Road" was a "boy's dream becoming

 

true."

 

 

 

Gonzales said he could proceed with townhomes under existing zoning if

 

he applies for a conditional-use permit, but a zoning change seemed like a

 

better approach.

 

 

 

"I didn't buy it just to look at it," he said. "I'm going to proceed."

 

"What I'm proposing is a very good and healthy use," he said. "To

 

rehab it would be very expensive and very difficult."

 

 

 

His proposal states that townhouses would be more beneficial to the

 

neighborhood than a 1936 motel, which "has attracted a transient

 

population."

 

 

 

The neighborhood has high-density residential developments and family

 

entertainment destinations such as the Albuquerque Biopark, Tingley Beach

 

and the Albuquerque zoo, the proposal states.

 

 

 

"These family-oriented destinations serve Albuquerque residents, and

 

are better served by being located near more permanent residential uses than

 

commercial uses that serve a transient population," it states.

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I've recently posted a message on my website, www.66productions.com,

 

asking for a boycott of Walgreens. They have managed to tear down the

 

Flying Saucer gas station in Ashtabula, OH, in order to expand yet

 

again. I'm interested, however, in accumulating as lengthy of a list

 

as possible of the historically significant structures that they

 

have "replaced" with a Walgreens. If you know of any, please email me

 

(you can do it through my website) with the name of the business, the

 

city and state it was in, the type of business, and which highway (US,

 

state, or county, if applicable) that it was on. Your help on this is

 

greatly appreciate, and please spread the word.

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski

 

Director, 66 Productions

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Guest Jim Ross

Hi Everybody,

 

 

 

I have been following the El Vado Motel crisis with interest. Of course I wrote

 

my own letter, but after reading the latest article in the Albuq. Journal, I

 

thought it time to throw a few realities on the table.

 

 

 

Even if the mayor's added influence stops the re-zoning, this does nothing to

 

protect the motel if it is true that the developer already owns it. This is key.

 

He states that he plans to proceed using other options regardless of the outcome

 

to his request.

 

 

 

As the owner, he can legally do as he wishes with the building, to include

 

turning it into a parking lot. He has already stated that it is an "eyesore" and

 

attracts "transients" and that it would be too expensive to rehab. I predict the

 

city will have great difficulty in legally denying a demolition permit. Even if

 

they do, he can still take down the sign, board up the windows, paint it

 

chartreuse, cover it with a tarp, or employ whatever other means he chooses to

 

defeat the city's (and our) objective. Sorry, Emily, but the asbestos tactic

 

will be nothing more than a minor annoyance to a man of his arrogance and

 

apparent financial resources, and the last thing we want to do is appear like

 

radicals willing to lie or break the law to get our way. Our efforts must remain

 

legal.

 

 

 

So far we have kept all the eggs in one basket. It may be time to shift focus to

 

Gonzales himself and explore ways to incorporate the sign and some of the motel

 

as part of the overall development, as was done successfully in Tulsa with the

 

old public market. Obviously this is not our preferred outcome, but if Gonzales

 

in fact already owns the El Vado, it could be our only hope. It is ludicrous to

 

think he will keep it as an operating motel.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Jim R.

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I used a photo of Ashtabula?s flying saucer station on the cover of my new

 

book, Roadside Giants, and so researched it a bit. The station was

 

disassembled and moved to the Crawford Auto Museum in 1999. Unfortunately,

 

the outcome is no different: the museum eventually deemed the wood and metal

 

unusable and discarded it all with the thought that blueprints could

 

reconstruct it if ever needed.

 

 

 

Brian

 

www.brianbutko.com

 

 

 

 

 

From: "Scott Piotrowski" <rt66prods@yahoo.com>

 

Reply-To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:03:27 -0000

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Subject: Spam:[AMERICAN_ROAD] Walgreens

 

 

 

I've recently posted a message on my website, www.66productions.com,

 

asking for a boycott of Walgreens. They have managed to tear down the

 

Flying Saucer gas station in Ashtabula, OH, in order to expand yet

 

again. I'm interested, however, in accumulating as lengthy of a list

 

as possible of the historically significant structures that they

 

have "replaced" with a Walgreens. If you know of any, please email me

 

(you can do it through my website) with the name of the business, the

 

city and state it was in, the type of business, and which highway (US,

 

state, or county, if applicable) that it was on. Your help on this is

 

greatly appreciate, and please spread the word.

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski

 

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I should add, Jim, that it sounds like Albuquerque's mayor is willing

 

to have the city *buy* El Vado from the current owner, like the city

 

has done with other historic properties along Route 66.

 

 

 

And, of course, the city also can use eminent domain, citing the

 

"greater public good." Eminent domain has been a subject of cussing

 

and discussing in recent months. But as much as eminent domain can

 

take away, it can also giveth to the Mother Road.

 

 

 

And I also received an e-mail from a city official, of which he made

 

no bones about the fact it would be difficult to get a demolition

 

permit, especially given the factors in El Vado's case.

 

 

 

I agree that it's far too early to celebrate yet. But it seems like

 

the tide of public sentiment and politics are in our favor.

 

 

 

I've got a bunch of updates on my site about this matter.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Tulsa, OK

 

www.route66news.org

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@e...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi Everybody,

 

>

 

> I have been following the El Vado Motel crisis with interest. Of

 

course I wrote my own letter, but after reading the latest article in

 

the Albuq. Journal, I thought it time to throw a few realities on the

 

table.

 

>

 

> Even if the mayor's added influence stops the re-zoning, this does

 

nothing to protect the motel if it is true that the developer already

 

owns it. This is key. He states that he plans to proceed using other

 

options regardless of the outcome to his request.

 

>

 

> As the owner, he can legally do as he wishes with the building, to

 

include turning it into a parking lot. He has already stated that it

 

is an "eyesore" and attracts "transients" and that it would be too

 

expensive to rehab. I predict the city will have great difficulty in

 

legally denying a demolition permit. Even if they do, he can still

 

take down the sign, board up the windows, paint it chartreuse, cover

 

it with a tarp, or employ whatever other means he chooses to defeat

 

the city's (and our) objective. Sorry, Emily, but the asbestos tactic

 

will be nothing more than a minor annoyance to a man of his arrogance

 

and apparent financial resources, and the last thing we want to do is

 

appear like radicals willing to lie or break the law to get our way.

 

Our efforts must remain legal.

 

>

 

> So far we have kept all the eggs in one basket. It may be time to

 

shift focus to Gonzales himself and explore ways to incorporate the

 

sign and some of the motel as part of the overall development, as was

 

done successfully in Tulsa with the old public market. Obviously this

 

is not our preferred outcome, but if Gonzales in fact already owns the

 

El Vado, it could be our only hope. It is ludicrous to think he will

 

keep it as an operating motel.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

> Jim R.

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Chavez goes to bat for historic motel

 

Last Update: 10/18/2005 11:54:31 AM

 

By: Reed Upton

 

 

 

Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chavez is asking the city's Environmental

 

Protection Commission to save a landmark Route 66 motel from demolition.

 

 

 

Chavez says he'll make the request of the commission to save the El

 

Vado Motel as an individual, not as a city official.

 

 

 

Last week, the new owner of the El Vado announced that he was planning

 

to raze it and build luxury town homes. Richard Gonzales has said he'll

 

close the motel effective November 1st.

 

 

 

Sam Kassam, who ran the motel for 15 years, says he sold it because he

 

can't make it anymore, too many of the motel rooms are unrented.

 

 

 

Chavez says if his request to the commission is granted, he'll work

 

with the new owner to preserve the property.

 

 

 

"Obviously, we'd like to work with them to see how they can use it

 

beneficially without tearing it down," said Chavez. "Failing that, we'd

 

like to engage other possible owners in the private sector that could use

 

it.

 

 

 

Gonzales said he appreciates the historical value of the motel and

 

he's

 

open to other alternatives.

 

 

 

The El Vado Motel was built on old Route 66 in 1937 by a former

 

bellboy at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.

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http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/artic...4167013,00.html

 

 

 

Mayor seeks to protect El Vado

 

By Maggie Shepard and Erik Siemers

 

Albuquerque Tribune Reporters

 

October 18, 2005

 

 

 

The way Mayor Martin Chavez describes it, El Vado Motel is a jewel.

 

 

 

"Across the street is one of the finest pieces of architecture coming from

 

the Route 66 genre of motels," Chavez said Monday from the entrance to the

 

Albuquerque Aquarium near Central Avenue.

 

 

 

Funny thing is, the guy buying the building thinks the opposite.

 

 

 

"I think people are really disappointed when they travel for miles to see

 

it," said Richard Gonzales, who this week is signing the papers to take over

 

the building. "When they do see the structure, they're surprised about how

 

bad it is."

 

 

 

It's a real-life story of one man's trash being another man's treasure.

 

 

 

Chavez has sent letters to members of the city's Environmental Planning

 

Commission asking them to vote against Gonzales' request to change zoning so

 

he can turn the building into luxury town homes.

 

 

 

Chavez sent the letters as a private citizen, he said, not as mayor. The EPC

 

meets Thursday.

 

 

 

"It's the best example of Pueblo Deco art in the city," Chavez said.

 

 

 

Gonzales plans to close the 68-year-old motel near the biopark Nov. 1 and

 

build $400,000-$600,000 town homes.

 

 

 

But Chavez calls the motel beautiful. Route 66 enthusiasts consider it the

 

purest surviving historical motel in Albuquerque.

 

 

 

Gonzales admits the building has some qualities Chavez describes. At least

 

it did.

 

 

 

"This is an old structure," he said. "It's had a lot of neglect. Old

 

properties are hard to maintain."

 

 

 

El Vado is not on the city's historic registry, but Chavez said it is on a

 

national list.

 

 

 

On Monday he filed for an application to make it both a state and national

 

historic landmark.

 

 

 

The motel was built in 1937 by a former Waldorf-Astoria bellboy. The white

 

adobe building announces itself to passers-by with a six-colored American

 

Indian head.

 

 

 

Gonzales said he hasn't decided the fate of the sign.

 

 

 

Former motel owner Sam Kassam ran El Vado for 15 years, renting single rooms

 

for about $31.

 

 

 

He said he sold it to Gonzales for an undisclosed amount because the

 

business wasn't bringing in a profit.

 

 

 

Chavez said he wants to see the motel turn a profit again. His first avenue

 

is to work with Gonzales, he said, but he'll consider working with other

 

developers or using the city's power of eminent domain.

 

 

 

Gonzales' application before the EPC seeks to change the zoning from

 

commercial to residential, though he said he can go ahead with the town

 

homes without the change.

 

 

 

WHAT'S NEXT

 

 

 

What: Environmental Planning Commission

 

 

 

Why: Hearing on rezoning El Vado Motel property

 

 

 

When: 8:30 a.m. Thursday

 

 

 

Where: Plaza del Sol basement hearing room, 600 Second St. N.W.

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The Parkmoor Restaurant in St. Louis is one...the first "drive in" in St.

 

Louis it was...I "think" the very original alignment of Route 66 went past

 

it along Clayton Rd..Tsingtao Kip ps I will support the boycott but film

 

developing will become a bitch! Oh well what is a good boycott if you don't

 

skin your elbows!

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:03 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Walgreens

 

 

 

 

 

> I've recently posted a message on my website, www.66productions.com,

 

> asking for a boycott of Walgreens. They have managed to tear down the

 

> Flying Saucer gas station in Ashtabula, OH, in order to expand yet

 

> again. I'm interested, however, in accumulating as lengthy of a list

 

> as possible of the historically significant structures that they

 

> have "replaced" with a Walgreens. If you know of any, please email me

 

> (you can do it through my website) with the name of the business, the

 

> city and state it was in, the type of business, and which highway (US,

 

> state, or county, if applicable) that it was on. Your help on this is

 

> greatly appreciate, and please spread the word.

 

>

 

> Scott Piotrowski

 

> Director, 66 Productions

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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I agree that, given the disposition of the owner, that any bad resolution of

 

this is possible...however, in my mind, there comes a time when the loss is

 

so significant that we gotta take the risk. One Route 66 icon after another

 

is going by the wayside--Scott just put on line about the destruction of the

 

Flying Saucer Gas Station to build yet another Walgreens. As Ron indicated,

 

the developer has not won the fight yet, and there is support in City

 

Government and in the community to save this place...it may piss the owner

 

off, I don't doubt that, but I am almost to the point that I don't just want

 

Natalie to see an El Vado sign in a museum (frankly, given the demeanor of

 

the owner, I don't think it will be a lot easier saving a piece of it!); I

 

want her to see and stay at the El Vado, like her uncle did 30 years ago on

 

his honeymoon...I would like for her to have seen and stayed at the Coral

 

Courts, like we did on our 1st wedding anniversary, or the A. Lincoln Motel

 

in Springfield...that is not going to happen. I see the Mayor's statement

 

as a positive step--more positive than we have seen in so many cases and I

 

commend him for that...damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead...the El Vado is

 

an institution in its entirety...if we are going to make a stand, we gotta

 

make our stand here. We may win, we may lose, but at least we gave it our

 

all...Tsingtao, respectfully, Kip

 

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To: "American Road" <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:21 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] El Vado Rescue Effort

 

 

 

 

 

> Hi Everybody,

 

>

 

> I have been following the El Vado Motel crisis with interest. Of course I

 

wrote my own letter, but after reading the latest article in the Albuq.

 

Journal, I thought it time to throw a few realities on the table.

 

>

 

> Even if the mayor's added influence stops the re-zoning, this does nothing

 

to protect the motel if it is true that the developer already owns it. This

 

is key. He states that he plans to proceed using other options regardless of

 

the outcome to his request.

 

>

 

> As the owner, he can legally do as he wishes with the building, to include

 

turning it into a parking lot. He has already stated that it is an "eyesore"

 

and attracts "transients" and that it would be too expensive to rehab. I

 

predict the city will have great difficulty in legally denying a demolition

 

permit. Even if they do, he can still take down the sign, board up the

 

windows, paint it chartreuse, cover it with a tarp, or employ whatever other

 

means he chooses to defeat the city's (and our) objective. Sorry, Emily, but

 

the asbestos tactic will be nothing more than a minor annoyance to a man of

 

his arrogance and apparent financial resources, and the last thing we want

 

to do is appear like radicals willing to lie or break the law to get our

 

way. Our efforts must remain legal.

 

>

 

> So far we have kept all the eggs in one basket. It may be time to shift

 

focus to Gonzales himself and explore ways to incorporate the sign and some

 

of the motel as part of the overall development, as was done successfully in

 

Tulsa with the old public market. Obviously this is not our preferred

 

outcome, but if Gonzales in fact already owns the El Vado, it could be our

 

only hope. It is ludicrous to think he will keep it as an operating motel.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

> Jim R.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

>

 

> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434

 

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