Welcome!

http://www.coralcourt.com

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] New Photos

>

> Hey Bliss,

>

> What's the website address for your site? I googled Bliss

> Blue Highways and couldn't find it. I'm sorry, I must have

> missed it in a previous posting to the group.

>

> Matt Smallwood

>

> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:07:50 -0000

> "brownwho63" <brownwho63@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> > I added a couple of photos to my Bliss Blue Highways

> > album that you

> > may enjoy....Bliss

> >

February 4, 2006

OH MAN!!!

Haven't seen the news today. That really stinks!

A few years ago there was a fire in a big tire dump under I-95 in

Philadelphia. It just took forever to rebuild. Two weeks to finish

this job is pretty ambitious.

I know I-95 pretty well. Been up to Providence and down to The

Piedmont area of NC. There are plenty of places that would be

prone to disasters just like this one. Including the New Jersey

Turnpike, (Counting the cars. . ) we call it "The Great Wall of NJ".

If you've seen it from the air you know why.

Ok get it fixed before June, I gotta drive a box truck up to Cape

Cod and take a slow boat to Nantucket!

...Chris Exit 7-A

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Bakerhab@a...

wrote:

>

> BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (March 26)-- A section of Interstate 95,

the main traffic

> artery linking New York and Boston, could be shut down for two

weeks or more

> following a fiery tanker truck wreck that melted a bridge.

>

> ''It's going to be a pain in the neck,'' Gov. John G. Rowland said

after

> surveying the scene Friday.

>

> State police said a car apparently forced the tanker truck into a

concrete

> barrier on the southbound side of the interstate Thursday night.

The truck

> carried 12,000 gallons of home heating oil, which fueled a

huge blaze that sent a

> fireball dozens of feet into the air.

>

> AP

>

> The fire from the truck melted highway support beams on I-95.

>

> The highway buckled and the overpass, which was new,

sagged several feet,

> said Ronald Jantzen, a state Department of Transportation

engineer.

>

> The fire damaged the steel support beams that carry both

sides of I-95 over

> an avenue. Jantzen described the southbound side of the

interstate as

> ''totaled.''

>

> Engineers were taking measurements Friday morning as

crews worked to clean up

> the scene.

>

> Rowland said northbound I-95 possibly could reopen this

weekend. But the

> southbound side of the bridge will have to be torn down, he

said.

>

> Instead of rebuilding the bridge, engineers will close the street

below and

> use dirt to fill in the span; a temporary highway will then be built

on top of

> that fill.

>

> Rowland said he hoped the southbound highway could be

reopened in two weeks,

> and estimated the cost of the temporary fix at $3 million to $4

million.

> Rowland declared the site a disaster area, in hopes of making

the repair project

> eligible for federal funds.

>

> I-95 is a vital East Coast artery that is heavily congested in New

England.

> Nearly 120,000 vehicles a day travel the span where the crash

happened.

>

> State officials urged motorists, especially tractor-trailer drivers,

to avoid

> I-95 and the Bridgeport area until the highway is fixed. One

alternate route,

> the Merritt Parkway, is closed to commercial trucks because of

low bridges.

>

> The truck driver in Thursday's accident and a firefighter were

treated for

> slight injuries.

>

> 03/26/04 11:36 EST

>

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Michalek" <big_ugly_mich@...> wrote:

>

> It did interest me on a few levels. I'm anxiously awaiting that movie,

> as both an animation freak and a Macintosh freak.

>

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Emily posted a long entry on the Route 66 News site that you all

> > probably will find interesting on several levels:

> >

> > http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/the-art-of-cars/

> >

> > Ron Warnick

> > Tulsa, OK

> > www.route66news.org

February 5, 2006

As I've worked on my route66motels.com project, I've been

hearing some questions from property owners about ways they

can promote their motels to Route 66 enthusiasts.

In response, I'm planning to add a section to the site just for

motel owners. It will include information about what 66ers look

for in a motel, what they can do to make their property stand out,

how they can attract more business, etc., etc., etc.

With that in mind, I would like for EVERYONE on this list who has

stayed in a motel on 66 to participate in a kind of

customer-service survey. Post your answers to the following

questions, and I'll use some of those answers as I put together

the section for motel owners. Here are the questions:

1. Think about your absolute favorite Route 66 motel for a

moment. What makes it special? List anything you can think of

that you really love about this place. If it's something that could

be emulated at another motel, mention how.

2. When you are driving down Route 66, looking for a crash pad

for the evening, what sorts of things catch your eye and make you

want to stop at a particular motel and check it out?

3. When you inspect a room to decide whether you want to stay

there, what do you look for? List any personal "tests" you might

have or specific things you might look for when you go in.

4. What Route 66 publications do you subscribe to, and would

you be inclined to stay in a particular motel if it advertised in one

of those publications?

5. Name three small, inexpensive things a motel can do to

impress you. (This could be anything from handing out souvenir

matchbooks to selling toothpaste in the office, planting flowers

next to the building, or offering a certain brand of soda in the

vending machine. What I'm looking for here is the little stuff that

makes a motel really stand out for you.)

This is your chance to tell motel owners what you'd like to see in

their businesses. Give me your ideas! By participating, you're

helping the motel owners, you're helping the road, and you're

helping improve your own vacation experience by telling property

owners how they can serve you better.

Thanks for helping.

Emily

February 5, 2006

In a message dated 4/15/05 3:20:25 AM Central Daylight Time, Lulupic66 writes:

> Hi all,

> I found this blurb in the local newspaper and I thought I would share it.

>

> Dean Fest Plans

>

> Martin Sheen and Dennis Hopper will be among the celebrities visiting

> Indiana to mark the 50th anniversary of the death of James Dean.

> The James Dean Fest is scheduled June 3-5 at the airport in Marion, about 60

> miles northeast of Indianapolis. Included on the festival schedule, released

> by organizers Tuesday, is the American premiere of a documentary on Dean's

> life, "James Dean: Forever Young," narrated by Sheen. Organizers had wanted to

> show Dean's movies on the Fairmount farm where he grew up, but the plans

> outgrew the farm. Warner Bros. moved the event to Marion, where

> Dean was born. Dean died in a car crash in Cholame, Ca. He was 24.

> Dean's three movies, "Giant," "East of Eden" and "Rebel without a Cause,"

>

February 5, 2006

In a message dated 5/2/2006 12:00:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

egyptianzipper@aol.com writes:

I drove all of it north to south in 1974. However, I was an idiot and did

it

in three days, so I really didn't do much except drive. I could easily spend

two weeks on it, checking out all the trails and stuff.

Back in my hiking days, we vacationed frequently on the Blue Ridge and drove

or hiked it many many times. That was back in the 70s though, and I'm sure

things have changed when it comes to campgrounds, etc. During clear weather,

there's a spectacular view around every bend. There's no trick to driving

the Blue Ridge. It's pretty easy, and there are interesting lodges and parks

along the way.

Laurel

Afton, OK

February 5, 2006

In my copy of Stewart's book, photo 49 is almost exactly the same as the

1953 photo in the Vale book. The only difference is that in the 1983 book,

a small amount of the top and bottom were cut off. Otherwise the both

photos show the same 1/2 of a car on the left edge, the s-curve of the road

is in the center, and the same slanted rock on the right edge.

- Dennis

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Denny Gibson

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 17:44

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like the

libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I think

contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that a try.

Good idea.

Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from getting to

Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my jealousy

quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss gathering. I

may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my JQ from

boiling over.

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com]

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Denny,

I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent

cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the

Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public

Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they

might be able to shed some light on this question.

Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June?

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ;

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/george...ewart/us-40.htm

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's

1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few

pages

I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983

"sequel".

I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books.

Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the

early

'50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many

of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same

scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in

1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of

Stewart's book.

Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken

"about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had

some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway

"dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots"

were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the

two

books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart

picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified

rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale

version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at

the

far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road.

Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book,

could

you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a

retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no

indication

of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that

would

explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one

Stewart was talking about in his own text.

--Denny

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February 5, 2006

I drove the northern portion between Front Royal and

the Rodfish Entrance outside Waynesboro (that northern

section is actually the Skyline Drive - the Blue Ridge

starts at the Rodfish Entrance and goes south) in

1966. I left Front Royal around 6am - and let me tell

you that's the time to drive it, at least back then.

I literally had the road all to myself for most of the

way!!! Had to be very careful due to all the animals

in the road. Sun coming up over the valley. I stopped

at several of the overlooks - the quiet was

unbelievable.

Hudsonly,

Alex B

--- egyptianzipper@aol.com wrote:

>

> In a message dated 5/1/06 11:32:54 AM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> denny@dennygibson.com writes:

>

> I've actually only been on the Parkway once and

> that was a fairly short

> stretch at the north end.

>

=====================================================================

> I drove all of it north to south in 1974. However, I

> was an idiot and did it

> in three days, so I really didn't do much except

> drive. I could easily spend

> two weeks on it, checking out all the trails and

> stuff.

>

> Tom Hoffman

> Pearisburg VA

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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February 5, 2006

My copy was published by Hought Mifflin in 1953 with no indication that it's

a second or subsequent printing. It appears to be the same as the book

pictured here:

I've also seen one reference to a 1973 reprint by Greenwood Press.

What are some of the details of your copy?

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Dennis Steinert [mailto:dse@wgn.net]

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:47 AM

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

In my copy of Stewart's book, photo 49 is almost exactly the same as the

1953 photo in the Vale book. The only difference is that in the 1983 book,

a small amount of the top and bottom were cut off. Otherwise the both

photos show the same 1/2 of a car on the left edge, the s-curve of the road

is in the center, and the same slanted rock on the right edge.

- Dennis

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Denny Gibson

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 17:44

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like the

libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I think

contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that a try.

Good idea.

Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from getting to

Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my jealousy

quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss gathering. I

may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my JQ from

boiling over.

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com]

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Denny,

I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent

cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the

Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public

Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they

might be able to shed some light on this question.

Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June?

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ;

http://www.stltoday.com..

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's

1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few

pages

I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983

"sequel".

I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books.

Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the

early

'50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many

of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same

scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in

1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of

Stewart's book.

Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken

"about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had

some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway

"dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots"

were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the

two

books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart

picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified

rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale

version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at

the

far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road.

Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book,

could

you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a

retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no

indication

of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that

would

explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one

Stewart was talking about in his own text.

--Denny

February 5, 2006

Sunday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch (received today) travel section has

some great stuff, including a Guide to the Windy City. It also

contains an article about a "100-Mile Yard Sale" in Missouri's

Bootheel on May 26-30. The sale will run along MO 25 between

Jackson

and Kennett (home of Cheryl Crow). MO 25 also runs through

Bloomfield, home of our very own Kip Welborn. For more info: (573)

243-8131. You should be able to see this article at

The article also mentions the "Great U. S. 50 Yard Sale" that will

be

held on May 20-22, stretching coast-to-coast from California to

Maryland. More info at http://www.route50com/yardsale.html..

And, the "World's Longest Yard Sale" is scheduled for August 4-7

along

U. S. 127 between Kentucky and Alabama. Info at

http://www.127sale.com

If you like to find old treasures and cruise while you're doing so,

one or all of these may be for

you....Bliss

February 5, 2006

Article Published: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:06:32 PM PST

aˆ? Barney's Beanery website.

West Hollywood landmark plans second Beanery By Brent Hopkins

WEST HOLLYWOOD -- Twenty-one kinds of chili, 78 sorts of burgers, more than

200 beers, 700 menu items, and soon, two locations. The original dingy, beat-up

burger-and-brew joint known as Barney's Beanery reeks of nine decades of

checkered history. Started in 1920 by ex-Navy cook John Anthony -- dubbed Barney

by his friends for no apparent reason -- the site served as a watering hole for

drivers on the old Route 66 when it relocated to its current spot in 1927.

Once the weary motorists reached California, they left their out-of-state plates

at the bar -- decor that remains decades later. Initially, the shack only

served men and would later gain notoriety for its barroom sign suggesting gays

take their business elsewhere. Over the years, protests brought that sign down,

but even in its more hardscrabble days, the restaurant claimed a clientele as

varied as Jean Harlow, John Barrymore and Clark Gable. Janis Joplin carved her

name into her favorite table to commemorate many a night in the wild

roadhouse on Santa Monica Boulevard, one that still draws stars and tourists

alike.

The yowling singer slugged back her last vodka-and-orange at the West Hollywood

landmark the night she died. The Doors used to prowl its cluttered interior

when they weren't handling business at nearby Elektra Records. It's been the

site of both billiards battles and civil rights struggles, and now, the storied

site will spawn another. This summer, Barney's Beanery will open its first

branch along Santa Monica's Promenade."We finally got a second location," said

David Houston, co-owner and president of the restaurant. "It only took us 84

years to get our act together and get around to it."Granted, he didn't own it

the

whole time, purchasing it three years ago after many years of dining at its

scarred wood booths. He and his partners have some experience with multi-unit

operations, also running the Q's Billiards chain in West Los Angeles, Pasadena

and Santa Barbara. Based on his time with Q's, he thinks he can make the $1

million they're sinking into the new 6,000-square-foot site on the Promenade a

success. After a six-month test, he'll consider expanding again to more

sites."It'll be hard," he conceded while walking the darkened interior of the

original

site. "We need to find some good, damaged wood, maybe a floor that bows in

like it does right here. We need to really break it in."Richard Cherra, a

regular for the past few years, has spent many a meal sprawled across the

rainbow-hued booths, drinking beer and refining his screenplay with his friend

Harry

Klos. The 30-year-old writer from Culver City digs the layers of history that

have built up over the walls."You don't get this anywhere else in L.A.," he said

from a window booth. "Everything else changes every couple of years, but this

has been the same since Janis Joplin."Of the many musicians associated with

the joint, Joplin boasts the most colorful history. Allegedly, the singer and

Jim Morrison had a falling out one night, leading her to clock him over the head

with a bottle of booze. While Barney's doesn't claim this as gospel, it does

little to dispel the legend. In its various incarnations, the restaurant has

been a haunt for the music industry, roughneck bikers, college kids and

tourists, often at the same time."We'd get drunk, come out of The Troubadour and

end

up at Barney's," said Michael Ochs, who headed West Coast publicity for

Columbia Records in the early 1970s and now runs a music photo archive in

Venice.

"But I don't remember much, probably because we were always drunk. It had

incredibly busy decor, sort of a beatnik and biker crowd."It also claims

contemporary celebrities, as well. Quentin Tarantino used to spread out his note

pads on

the collage-covered tables to pen his early screenplays surrounded by the odd

mishmash of pop culture.But the same lore that's made Barney's a favorite for

decades also proves to be its biggest challenge in branching out. So much of

its charm is built into its history, restaurant experts questioned whether it

could replicate the same feeling in a satellite location."I think Barney's a

one-of," said Andy Harris, producer of "The Mario Martinoli Restaurant Show" on

KFI-AM (640). "It was indigenous to West Hollywood, and has survived and

evolved along with the changes in that community. When you move that to the

Third

Street Promenade, which is a completely different demographic with much higher

rent, I'm a little befuddled."Even Houston agrees that the idea of multiple

spots feels weird."It's almost like sacrilege to open a second location," he

said. "It's like your children finding out you've got a second marriage."Despite

the mixed emotions, he remains committed to branching out. Ever since he took

control of the Beanery, he's looked for new spots, certain that the raucous

atmosphere that he's loved for years will translate in far-flung spots. For

months, he and his sister Lisa, a manager at the restaurant, have been scouring

eBay, antique shops and yard sales for old signs, vintage pictures and license

plates. Armed with cartons of Americana, they aim to whip up 84 years of

replicated history in a hurry."The challenge is to make them as similar as

possible," Houston said. "When you come into Barney's, it's just a beaten-up old

roadhouse. Why that works for people, I don't know. It works for me though and,

fortunately, there's enough people like me to make it work as a business."

February 5, 2006

Oops, that's http://www.route50.com/yardsale.html

Bliss

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...>

wrote:

> The article also mentions the "Great U. S. 50 Yard Sale" that will

> be

> held on May 20-22, stretching coast-to-coast from California to

> Maryland. More info at http://www.route50com/yardsale.html..

>

February 5, 2006

I'm replying to my own message to mention some possible "clues". In looking

over the copies for sale (at the link I posted and elsewhere) I noticed that

some descriptions mention 309 pages and others 311 pages. Both numbers

appear for books described as first editions. My copy has 311 numbered pages

with the last two being a section titled "Author's Note". My read of it

reveals nothing to indicate that it was added but others might.

Mike, Alex, Dennis: pages?

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Denny Gibson [mailto:denny@dennygibson.com]

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:05 AM

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/george...ewart/us-40.htm

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

My copy was published by Hought Mifflin in 1953 with no indication that it's

a second or subsequent printing. It appears to be the same as the book

pictured here:

I've also seen one reference to a 1973 reprint by Greenwood Press.

What are some of the details of your copy?

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Dennis Steinert [mailto:dse@wgn.net]

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:47 AM

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

In my copy of Stewart's book, photo 49 is almost exactly the same as the

1953 photo in the Vale book. The only difference is that in the 1983 book,

a small amount of the top and bottom were cut off. Otherwise the both

photos show the same 1/2 of a car on the left edge, the s-curve of the road

is in the center, and the same slanted rock on the right edge.

- Dennis

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Denny Gibson

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 17:44

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like the

libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I think

contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that a try.

Good idea.

Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from getting to

Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my jealousy

quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss gathering. I

may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my JQ from

boiling over.

--Denny

-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com]

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

Denny,

I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent

cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the

Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public

Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they

might be able to shed some light on this question.

Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June?

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ;

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question

I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's

1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few

pages

I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983

"sequel".

I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books.

Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the

early

'50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many

of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same

scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in

1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of

Stewart's book.

Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken

"about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had

some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway

"dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots"

were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the

two

books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart

picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified

rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale

version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at

the

far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road.

Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book,

could

you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a

retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no

indication

of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that

would

explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one

Stewart was talking about in his own text.

--Denny

February 5, 2006

Denny,

I have the same as you - Houghton-Mifflin, 1953.

Congress (L. C.) Card no. 52-542, 311 pp.

The thing that's confusing me are the photos in the

Vale book (U. S. 40 Today), 1983, page 106. In the

Stewart book I have the hog back appears to be viewd

from the right with the hog back to the left side of

the photo and the road appears to bend to the right

toward what may be buildings in the left.

In the Vail book the hog back (top photo) has

shifted to the right side of the photo, which also

shows in the bottom photo, with the road coming around

the end of the hog back in the distance.

To further confuse things at the extreme right side

of the Stewart photo at the top can be seen a section

of something dark, like the object in the 1953 book.

Now, if there is a road over there, as it appears

there is, then it's possible the road shown in the

Vail book coming down the base of the hog back comes

off the possible straight road in the middle upper

portion of both pictures.

About the only thing I can come up with to explain

the differences between the Stewart photo in his 1953

book and the Vail book from 1938 would be a negative

reversal.

However, that would not explain the hump to the

right of the hog back in Stewarts 1953 photo that the

road appears to run in back of. This hump can be made

out in the Vail book Stewart photo, but the road there

runs between the hump and the hog back.

More thoughts????

Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

--- Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote:

> I'm replying to my own message to mention some

> possible "clues". In looking

> over the copies for sale (at the link I posted and

> elsewhere) I noticed that

> some descriptions mention 309 pages and others 311

> pages. Both numbers

> appear for books described as first editions. My

> copy has 311 numbered pages

> with the last two being a section titled "Author's

> Note". My read of it

> reveals nothing to indicate that it was added but

> others might.

>

> Mike, Alex, Dennis: pages?

>

> --Denny

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Denny Gibson [mailto:denny@dennygibson.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:05 AM

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/george...ewart/us-40.htm

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> question

>

> My copy was published by Hought Mifflin in 1953 with

> no indication that it's

> a second or subsequent printing. It appears to be

> the same as the book

> pictured here:

>

>

> I've also seen one reference to a 1973 reprint by

> Greenwood Press.

>

> What are some of the details of your copy?

>

> --Denny

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dennis Steinert [mailto:dse@wgn.net]

> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:47 AM

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> question

>

> In my copy of Stewart's book, photo 49 is almost

> exactly the same as the

> 1953 photo in the Vale book. The only difference is

> that in the 1983 book,

> a small amount of the top and bottom were cut off.

> Otherwise the both

> photos show the same 1/2 of a car on the left edge,

> the s-curve of the road

> is in the center, and the same slanted rock on the

> right edge.

>

> - Dennis

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of Denny Gibson

> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 17:44

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> question

>

> Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare

> misprint;-) Looks like the

> libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar

> inventory. I think

> contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just

> may give that a try.

> Good idea.

>

> Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent

> me from getting to

> Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about

> someone's plans my jealousy

> quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming

> Munger Moss gathering. I

> may have to start deleting messages that mention

> either to keep my JQ from

> boiling over.

>

> --Denny

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com]

> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM

<mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> question

>

> Denny,

>

> I have copies of both books also. I see what you

> mean about the apparent

> cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to

> the one shown in the

> Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from

> the Omaha Public

> Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch

> with the Vales they

> might be able to shed some light on this question.

>

> Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June?

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

> To:

>

> ;

>

, blueyegrrl@hotmail.com, Orogrande66@aol.com

> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> question

>

> I've been doing some arm chair traveling down

> US-40 using George Stewart's

> 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be

> because after a few

> pages

> I find I just have to read the matching section in

> the Vale's 1983

> "sequel".

> I'm sure many group members are familiar with one

> or both of these books.

> Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures

> that he took in the

> early

> '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a

> "then & now" book with many

> of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own

> updated views of the same

> scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and

> am approaching them in

> 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question

> for anyone with a copy of

> Stewart's book.

>

> Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback".

> Stewart says it was taken

> "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read

> his description, I had

> some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned;

> Particularly a highway

> "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales'

> description, those "dots"

> were quite obvious in both pictures printed in

> their book. Comparing the

> two

> books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart

> picture and the 1983 Stewart

> picture are different crops of the same

> photograph. A readily identified

> rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction.

> Same with the Vale

> version and a road is front and center to its

> left. But that rock is at

> the

> far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the

> road.

>

> Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy

> of the Stewart book,

> could

> you take a look and see what your picture #49

> looks like? My copy is a

> retired library book that I bought used. It's a

> hardcover with no

> indication

> of being a second or special printing. The Vale's

> make no comment that

> would

> explain it and the picture they've reproduced is

> almost certainly the one

> Stewart was talking about in his own text.

>

> --Denny

>

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but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

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Don't forget the Museum's 6th Anniversary Celebration on June 17, 2006. Read

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Sunday, April 30, 2006

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###

February 6, 2006

My copy is also 311 pages long. It does appear to be a different

printing, although no date is given anywhere other than the

copyright. As I said before, the picture in Stewart's book on page

194 matches almost exactly the picture shown in the Vales' book on

the top of page 106. The cloth cover looks the same, and the spine

does read H. M. Co. My copy does have a dust cover, but the price

has been cut off. The title page block reads:

Copyright, 1953, by George R. Stewart

this book or parts thereof in any form

L. C. Card No. 52-5249

The Riverside Press

Cambridge, Massachusetts

Printed in the U.S.A.

- Dennis

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@...>

wrote:

>

> Denny,

>

> I have the same as you - Houghton-Mifflin, 1953.

> Congress (L. C.) Card no. 52-542, 311 pp.

>

> The thing that's confusing me are the photos in the

> Vale book (U. S. 40 Today), 1983, page 106. In the

> Stewart book I have the hog back appears to be viewd

> from the right with the hog back to the left side of

> the photo and the road appears to bend to the right

> toward what may be buildings in the left.

>

> In the Vail book the hog back (top photo) has

> shifted to the right side of the photo, which also

> shows in the bottom photo, with the road coming around

> the end of the hog back in the distance.

>

> To further confuse things at the extreme right side

> of the Stewart photo at the top can be seen a section

> of something dark, like the object in the 1953 book.

>

> Now, if there is a road over there, as it appears

> there is, then it's possible the road shown in the

> Vail book coming down the base of the hog back comes

> off the possible straight road in the middle upper

> portion of both pictures.

>

> About the only thing I can come up with to explain

> the differences between the Stewart photo in his 1953

> book and the Vail book from 1938 would be a negative

> reversal.

>

> However, that would not explain the hump to the

> right of the hog back in Stewarts 1953 photo that the

> road appears to run in back of. This hump can be made

> out in the Vail book Stewart photo, but the road there

> runs between the hump and the hog back.

>

> More thoughts????

>

> Hudsonly,

> Alex Burr

>

> --- Denny Gibson <denny@...> wrote:

>

> > I'm replying to my own message to mention some

> > possible "clues". In looking

> > over the copies for sale (at the link I posted and

> > elsewhere) I noticed that

> > some descriptions mention 309 pages and others 311

> > pages. Both numbers

> > appear for books described as first editions. My

> > copy has 311 numbered pages

> > with the last two being a section titled "Author's

> > Note". My read of it

> > reveals nothing to indicate that it was added but

> > others might.

> >

> > Mike, Alex, Dennis: pages?

> >

> > --Denny

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Denny Gibson [mailto:denny@...]

> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:05 AM

> http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/george...ewart/us-40.htm

> > Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> > question

> >

> > My copy was published by Hought Mifflin in 1953 with

> > no indication that it's

> > a second or subsequent printing. It appears to be

> > the same as the book

> > pictured here:

> >

> >

> > I've also seen one reference to a 1973 reprint by

> > Greenwood Press.

> >

> > What are some of the details of your copy?

> >

> > --Denny

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Dennis Steinert [mailto:dse@...]

> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:47 AM

> > Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> > question

> >

> > In my copy of Stewart's book, photo 49 is almost

> > exactly the same as the

> > 1953 photo in the Vale book. The only difference is

> > that in the 1983 book,

> > a small amount of the top and bottom were cut off.

> > Otherwise the both

> > photos show the same 1/2 of a car on the left edge,

> > the s-curve of the road

> > is in the center, and the same slanted rock on the

> > right edge.

> >

> > - Dennis

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> > [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]

> > On Behalf Of Denny Gibson

> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 17:44

> > Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture

> > question

> >

> > Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare

> > misprint;-) Looks like the

> > libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar

> > inventory. I think

> > contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just

> > may give that a try.

> > Good idea.

> >

> > Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent

> > me from getting to

> > Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about

> > someone's plans my jealousy

> > quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming

> > Munger Moss gathering. I

> > may have to start deleting messages that mention

> > either to keep my JQ from

> > boiling over.

> >

> > --Denny

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@...]

> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM