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> Any of you oldtimers remember the old bridge between

 

> Memphis and West Memphis?? I remember crossing it MANY

 

> times--old route 70. The auto part of the bridge was

 

> an 'after-thought' hung on the outside of the train

 

> bridge, one lane, wood planks, small rail on the

 

> outside. The most beautiful bridge ever built was the

 

> "new" bridge just for cars. I was just in Arkansas and

 

> just had to go to see what was left of it. Believe it

 

> or not--the 'outriggers' are still attached to the

 

> train bridge, easily seen from the interstate 55

 

> bridge, as it is now called. On the Ark. side you can

 

> still see the approach. I parked and walked back

 

> almost to the edge of the old train bridge. I can

 

> still remember how it shook if you were half way

 

> across, hanging on the outside of the main bridge,

 

> nothing under you but muddy water, and a train

 

> crossed with you. The whole thing shook!! Made the

 

> "Vicksburg" bridge seem like a 'piece of cake'. Ah

 

> yes, the 'good old days'!!!! john, ipilot66

 

 

 

http://www.stevecox.com/harahan/

 

 

 

A bunch of pictures of the old US 61-63-64-70-79 bridge and approaches.

 

 

 

> John you rekindled an old forgotten memory of mine, Forgotten until now

 

> that is!

 

>

 

> I remember crossing a bridge that sounds almost like the one that you are

 

> talking about.

 

> It was in St.Louis Mo. Somewhere north of the Arch.

 

> In the fall of 1986 I crossed over from the Illinois side to St. Louis in

 

> a straight truck loaded

 

> with furniture for delivery for area stores.

 

> I tell ya what! I had one hand on the door lever & watched for places to

 

> jump to if anything were

 

> to give way.

 

> I can't believe that I paid to cross that ole thing! I thought that I was

 

> taking a short

 

> cut..........Whew! Some short cut.

 

> I can't remember what was shaking more, Me or the Bridge!

 

> The farther out over the water I had gotten, The more she (the bridge)

 

> shook! I look back now &

 

> just can't help but laugh!

 

 

 

 

 

This sounds like the McKinley bridge, which is currently being renovated. I

 

crossed it shortly before it was closed, it was good scary fun.

 

 

 

Another cool Mississippi River bridge is the Greenville bridge, carrying US

 

82-278. A narrow truss with several curves on the approaches. It is being

 

replaced, so if you want to drive it don't wait too long.

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Guest J Lance

Old bridges:

 

 

 

> White River, De Vall, AR (Being - or is - bypassed):

 

 

 

Gone.

 

 

 

> --So of Greenville MS (US 278)

 

 

 

Soon to be gone.

 

 

 

> --Booneville, MO (SR 5)

 

 

 

Also carrying US 40, bridge is gone.

 

 

 

The MO 240 bridge at Glasgow is pretty cool.

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Guest David Backlin

Does anyone have any information regarding the Luten Bridge Company? They

 

built a lot of the closed-arch type concrete bridges in the 1920's.

 

 

 

Someone found some of my photos of the Elkins, Arkansas bridge and was

 

wanting to know more about the company.

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Guest Bob Reynolds

Once again, my photos are at

 

http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob

 

 

 

Birthday Road Trip

 

 

 

Featuring Rose's Service Station, a Clinch Mountain Conundrum, the

 

Mascot Monster, and the Mystery Bridge of 1962:)

 

 

 

Most times, my birthday is a rather blue day. One day older and

 

having to go to work and put up with all the bureaucracy therein.

 

This year was different:) Susan and I were off work together and

 

Kevin Redden was down for a visit. And as the weather was close to

 

perfect, off we went on a road trip!

 

 

 

Our main destination was Tazewell, TN, so we headed out of

 

Knoxiousville on SR 33, screaming through Maynardville as we

 

followed the so called "Thunder Road":) Our first stop was the

 

Veterans Bridge across the Clinch River. It's good to see a few

 

truss bridges still around. <Veterans Bridge 01, 02>.

 

 

 

Once we arrived in Tazewell, it didn't take us long to find the

 

old alinement of US 25E and Rose's. The folks in Tazewell have done

 

a superb job of restoring and stocking it with all sorts of Gulf

 

memorabilia. I'll let the 20 pictures speak for themselves, except

 

to point out a few things.

 

 

 

I was really looking forward to seeing the 1932 Gulf road map

 

of Tennessee and Kentucky, and I wasn't at all disappointed. There

 

were a few interesting things I found there. For instance <RSS 09>

 

shows the old road in the Smokies across Indian Gap to North

 

Carolina. It's a hiking trail now. Also it shows NC 288 along the

 

north side of the Little Tennessee River from Bryson City to Tocoa.

 

This road was flooded by Fontana Lake. The feds promised to build a

 

new road to replace it, but it's only about half finished. The new

 

road dead ends right before a tunnel. Environmental and budget

 

concerns make it questionable if it ever will be completed. No US

 

64, 129, or 441. The Tail of the Dragon was TN 72.

 

 

 

<RRS 10> shows my neck of the woods. No Oak Ridge:) It hadn't

 

been built yet. It's in between Oliver Springs and Robertsville.

 

In fact, Susan (an Oak Ridge native) went to Robertsville Jr. High.

 

 

 

<RSS 11> is the Chattanooga area. US 64 had its eastern

 

terminus there. Also, the western mainline of the Dixie Highway

 

followed TN 27 from Chattanooga to Jasper. Cummings Highway (US 41)

 

wasn't quite finished.

 

 

 

An interesting note to <RSS 12>. The present route of US 62

 

from Cynthiana to Maysville, KY through Claysville and Mt. Olivet

 

wasn't done, so Temp 62 followed KY 32 and US 68.

 

 

 

<RSS 13> shows the long decomissioned northern stretch of US

 

227. It once continued south through Georgetown to Paris. The

 

stretch from Paris south to Winchester and Richmond persisted into

 

the 70's, but it's totally gone now.

 

 

 

As we headed south on US 25E headed for Clinch Mountain, it

 

quickly became apparent that this stretch of road was being

 

widened. Maybe some new stretches of old road soon. Hmmmm. Talk

 

about an oxymoron:)

 

 

 

A bit of digression is in order here. Back in 1962 when I was

 

13, my grandmother and I went to visit some elderly kinfolks in

 

Rogersville. We still had passenger rail service back then, so we

 

took the train to Morristown where my cousins picked us up. They

 

were sweet enough to take me and grandmother up to Cumberland Gap,

 

so that was the first time I crossed Clinch Mountain by car. The

 

road was two lane and rather twisty and I was disappointed when I

 

returned in 1982 and found a new four lane road. It was my

 

intention on this trip to find as much of the old road across the

 

mountain as I could.

 

 

 

I used Delorme to give me clues to the old alignment. The

 

stretch on the northern side looked clear enough, but I wasn't sure

 

I could find the north end. When I reached TN Sec 131, I knew I'd

 

missed it. So we headed east until we got to Thorn Hill and I found

 

the old road. I soon found why I had missed the road. Southbound,

 

it was signed as old 25E. But northbound, it was Kincaid Farm

 

Road. So I drove north until I returned to the four lane, then

 

turned around and drove the stretch the way I intended to:) <Old US

 

25E 01-06>.

 

 

 

We got back on the four lane and went though the cut in the

 

summit, then parked at the Veteran's Overlook. <Atop clinch Mountain

 

01-02>. Now back to 1962 for a bit. I had a Brownie Starflash

 

camera back then and took a picture from here <Atop Clinch Mountain,

 

1962>. You can't see very much, but off in the distance, I could

 

see a bridge crossing an arm of Cherokee Lake. Even at that tender

 

age I was wondering if it may have been a bypassed part of 11W.

 

Later I checked maps, but the road was neither numbered nor named,

 

and I didn't get back for 20 more years.

 

 

 

Now to 1982. Susan and I took the new road over Clinch

 

Mountain and stopped at the new overlook. This time I could get a

 

clear pictire not only of the "Mystery Bridge" <Atop Clinch

 

Mountain, 1982 02>, but also a very nice picture of the old

 

alignment running around a bend and down a valley to US 11W <Atop

 

Clinch Mountain, 1982 01> (Note, I also included a couple of

 

pictures from that trip of a guy flying a radio controlled glider

 

from the side of the mountain:)

 

 

 

One more interesting thing about the overlook. Many of the

 

rocks used in building the wall there were crammed with fossils.

 

I'm not at all sure what they were. I had considered crinoid stems

 

until I did a web search. These things look too thick. <Atop Clinch

 

Mountain 04-05>.

 

 

 

Now for the alinement on the south side. Here's what I've

 

managed to piece together. The old road went off to the right on

 

what is now signed as Ridgeview Road. The uppermost part has been

 

sealed off and is undrivable <Old US 25E 08-10> It turns right just

 

before reaching Overlook Road (a short connector) and twists down

 

the mountain until it reaches US11W.

 

 

 

But here's a puzzle. Ridgeview Road continues down the

 

mountain, paralell with the four lane and eventually reconnects with

 

it <Old US25E 11-12>. The road looks like an old highway, having

 

yellow lines in the middle. And Delorme marks it as old US 25E. My

 

only supposition is there must have been two older alinements.

 

Perhaps the lower end of Ridgeview Road was part of the highway only

 

during some time between 1962 and 1982. Oh well, this is just

 

another part of the fun of old road sleuthing:)

 

 

 

Lunch time! We took the four lane until the interchange with

 

old 11W. We followed the old road into Bean Station and stopped at

 

the B & K Restaurant <B & K Restaurant 01-02>. Splendid Southern

 

cooking! Pork chops, pinto beans, and a big square of cornbread

 

(not made with sugar like they do up Nawrth:) for sopping up the

 

bean juice:) Delightful! Unfortunately, I did something stupid

 

here. They didn't take a credit card, but were gracious enough to

 

take a check. I was so used to indicating a tip on a credit card

 

slip, I bopped right out and forgot to leave a tip:!( I was not

 

happy with myself:(

 

 

 

The restaurant was on the corner of old US 11W (Lee Highway)

 

and old US 25E (Cumberland Gap Loop of the Dixie Highway). <Old US

 

25E 13>. Bean Station has been bypassed by the new four lanes:( We

 

headed south on old 25E until we got to the four lane. We

 

backtracked a bit and headed west on TN Sec 375. Thanks to Delorme

 

I now knew how to get to my "Mystery Bridge":) I still don't know

 

its real name, but 375 is also Northshore Drive, so that's what I'm

 

calling the bridge for now <Northshore Drive Bridge 01-04>.

 

 

 

As we continued west on 375, skirting the north side of

 

Cherokee Lake, I couldn't help but notice a bunch of plastic covered

 

greenhouses. It puzzled me until I remembered we were in Grainger

 

County, a place renowned for its tomatoes <Granger County tomatoes,

 

01-02>.

 

 

 

375 teed at TN 92, and we headed south towards Jefferson City.

 

We crossed the Holston River just downstream of Cherokee Dam,

 

stopping to get a few pictures <Cherokee Dam 01-03>.

 

 

 

Just before we got to Jefferson City, the highway teed. 92

 

went off to the left, toward town, but we drove right instead,

 

following the old alinement of US 11E (Andrew Johnson Highway). We

 

stopped for a photo op in New Market, a town probably most famous as

 

the site of a grinding head on collision between two trains about

 

100 years ago <Andrew Johnson Highway 01-03>. We continued through

 

Strawberry Plains, taking more pictures as we went <AJS 04-05,

 

Railroad Underpass>.

 

 

 

There was one more stop for us. Once we returned to the four

 

lane, we turned right onto Mascot Pike to show Kevin the Mascot

 

Monster. But first we crossed the Holston River on this unusual

 

concrete truss bridge <Mascot Bridge 01-02>. Not far beyond the

 

bridge, there he was, poking his head out of the rocks:) <Mascot

 

Monster 01-03>. By this time, we were pretty worn out and headed on

 

back home. If only all my birthdays were this good:)

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Guest Denny Gibson

I was in Tazewell about a year ago and have some vague recollection of

 

looking briefly for some attraction I was then aware of. I'm sure it was

 

Rose's Station that I was looking for and, after seeing your pictures, I

 

wish I had persevered. Next time.

 

 

 

Although both mapping programs I have installed, DeLorme Street Atlas &

 

Garmin MapSource, show that road through Thorn Hill, neither label it. It

 

took Google Maps to show it with the Old US-25E label but now I know what

 

you're talking about. To even the score, DeLorme & Garmin identified that

 

bridge on TN-375 as the William P Harrell Bridge while Google has no label

 

for it at all.

 

 

 

Good stuff, Bob. And Happy Birthday, young 'un.

 

 

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Bob Reynolds [mailto:roustabout@starband.net]

 

> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:14 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Birthday Road Trip

 

>

 

>

 

> Once again, my photos are at

 

> http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob

 

>

 

> Birthday Road Trip

 

>

 

> Featuring Rose's Service Station, a Clinch Mountain Conundrum, the

 

> Mascot Monster, and the Mystery Bridge of 1962:)

 

>

 

> Most times, my birthday is a rather blue day. One day older and

 

> having to go to work and put up with all the bureaucracy therein.

 

> This year was different:) Susan and I were off work together and

 

> Kevin Redden was down for a visit. And as the weather was close to

 

> perfect, off we went on a road trip!

 

>

 

> Our main destination was Tazewell, TN, so we headed out of

 

> Knoxiousville on SR 33, screaming through Maynardville as we

 

> followed the so called "Thunder Road":) Our first stop was the

 

> Veterans Bridge across the Clinch River. It's good to see a few

 

> truss bridges still around. <Veterans Bridge 01, 02>.

 

>

 

> Once we arrived in Tazewell, it didn't take us long to find the

 

> old alinement of US 25E and Rose's. The folks in Tazewell have done

 

> a superb job of restoring and stocking it with all sorts of Gulf

 

> memorabilia. I'll let the 20 pictures speak for themselves, except

 

> to point out a few things.

 

>

 

> I was really looking forward to seeing the 1932 Gulf road map

 

> of Tennessee and Kentucky, and I wasn't at all disappointed. There

 

> were a few interesting things I found there. For instance <RSS 09>

 

> shows the old road in the Smokies across Indian Gap to North

 

> Carolina. It's a hiking trail now. Also it shows NC 288 along the

 

> north side of the Little Tennessee River from Bryson City to Tocoa.

 

> This road was flooded by Fontana Lake. The feds promised to build a

 

> new road to replace it, but it's only about half finished. The new

 

> road dead ends right before a tunnel. Environmental and budget

 

> concerns make it questionable if it ever will be completed. No US

 

> 64, 129, or 441. The Tail of the Dragon was TN 72.

 

>

 

> <RRS 10> shows my neck of the woods. No Oak Ridge:) It hadn't

 

> been built yet. It's in between Oliver Springs and Robertsville.

 

> In fact, Susan (an Oak Ridge native) went to Robertsville Jr. High.

 

>

 

> <RSS 11> is the Chattanooga area. US 64 had its eastern

 

> terminus there. Also, the western mainline of the Dixie Highway

 

> followed TN 27 from Chattanooga to Jasper. Cummings Highway (US 41)

 

> wasn't quite finished.

 

>

 

> An interesting note to <RSS 12>. The present route of US 62

 

> from Cynthiana to Maysville, KY through Claysville and Mt. Olivet

 

> wasn't done, so Temp 62 followed KY 32 and US 68.

 

>

 

> <RSS 13> shows the long decomissioned northern stretch of US

 

> 227. It once continued south through Georgetown to Paris. The

 

> stretch from Paris south to Winchester and Richmond persisted into

 

> the 70's, but it's totally gone now.

 

>

 

> As we headed south on US 25E headed for Clinch Mountain, it

 

> quickly became apparent that this stretch of road was being

 

> widened. Maybe some new stretches of old road soon. Hmmmm. Talk

 

> about an oxymoron:)

 

>

 

> A bit of digression is in order here. Back in 1962 when I was

 

> 13, my grandmother and I went to visit some elderly kinfolks in

 

> Rogersville. We still had passenger rail service back then, so we

 

> took the train to Morristown where my cousins picked us up. They

 

> were sweet enough to take me and grandmother up to Cumberland Gap,

 

> so that was the first time I crossed Clinch Mountain by car. The

 

> road was two lane and rather twisty and I was disappointed when I

 

> returned in 1982 and found a new four lane road. It was my

 

> intention on this trip to find as much of the old road across the

 

> mountain as I could.

 

>

 

> I used Delorme to give me clues to the old alignment. The

 

> stretch on the northern side looked clear enough, but I wasn't sure

 

> I could find the north end. When I reached TN Sec 131, I knew I'd

 

> missed it. So we headed east until we got to Thorn Hill and I found

 

> the old road. I soon found why I had missed the road. Southbound,

 

> it was signed as old 25E. But northbound, it was Kincaid Farm

 

> Road. So I drove north until I returned to the four lane, then

 

> turned around and drove the stretch the way I intended to:) <Old US

 

> 25E 01-06>.

 

>

 

> We got back on the four lane and went though the cut in the

 

> summit, then parked at the Veteran's Overlook. <Atop clinch Mountain

 

> 01-02>. Now back to 1962 for a bit. I had a Brownie Starflash

 

> camera back then and took a picture from here <Atop Clinch Mountain,

 

> 1962>. You can't see very much, but off in the distance, I could

 

> see a bridge crossing an arm of Cherokee Lake. Even at that tender

 

> age I was wondering if it may have been a bypassed part of 11W.

 

> Later I checked maps, but the road was neither numbered nor named,

 

> and I didn't get back for 20 more years.

 

>

 

> Now to 1982. Susan and I took the new road over Clinch

 

> Mountain and stopped at the new overlook. This time I could get a

 

> clear pictire not only of the "Mystery Bridge" <Atop Clinch

 

> Mountain, 1982 02>, but also a very nice picture of the old

 

> alignment running around a bend and down a valley to US 11W <Atop

 

> Clinch Mountain, 1982 01> (Note, I also included a couple of

 

> pictures from that trip of a guy flying a radio controlled glider

 

> from the side of the mountain:)

 

>

 

> One more interesting thing about the overlook. Many of the

 

> rocks used in building the wall there were crammed with fossils.

 

> I'm not at all sure what they were. I had considered crinoid stems

 

> until I did a web search. These things look too thick. <Atop Clinch

 

> Mountain 04-05>.

 

>

 

> Now for the alinement on the south side. Here's what I've

 

> managed to piece together. The old road went off to the right on

 

> what is now signed as Ridgeview Road. The uppermost part has been

 

> sealed off and is undrivable <Old US 25E 08-10> It turns right just

 

> before reaching Overlook Road (a short connector) and twists down

 

> the mountain until it reaches US11W.

 

>

 

> But here's a puzzle. Ridgeview Road continues down the

 

> mountain, paralell with the four lane and eventually reconnects with

 

> it <Old US25E 11-12>. The road looks like an old highway, having

 

> yellow lines in the middle. And Delorme marks it as old US 25E. My

 

> only supposition is there must have been two older alinements.

 

> Perhaps the lower end of Ridgeview Road was part of the highway only

 

> during some time between 1962 and 1982. Oh well, this is just

 

> another part of the fun of old road sleuthing:)

 

>

 

> Lunch time! We took the four lane until the interchange with

 

> old 11W. We followed the old road into Bean Station and stopped at

 

> the B & K Restaurant <B & K Restaurant 01-02>. Splendid Southern

 

> cooking! Pork chops, pinto beans, and a big square of cornbread

 

> (not made with sugar like they do up Nawrth:) for sopping up the

 

> bean juice:) Delightful! Unfortunately, I did something stupid

 

> here. They didn't take a credit card, but were gracious enough to

 

> take a check. I was so used to indicating a tip on a credit card

 

> slip, I bopped right out and forgot to leave a tip:!( I was not

 

> happy with myself:(

 

>

 

> The restaurant was on the corner of old US 11W (Lee Highway)

 

> and old US 25E (Cumberland Gap Loop of the Dixie Highway). <Old US

 

> 25E 13>. Bean Station has been bypassed by the new four lanes:( We

 

> headed south on old 25E until we got to the four lane. We

 

> backtracked a bit and headed west on TN Sec 375. Thanks to Delorme

 

> I now knew how to get to my "Mystery Bridge":) I still don't know

 

> its real name, but 375 is also Northshore Drive, so that's what I'm

 

> calling the bridge for now <Northshore Drive Bridge 01-04>.

 

>

 

> As we continued west on 375, skirting the north side of

 

> Cherokee Lake, I couldn't help but notice a bunch of plastic covered

 

> greenhouses. It puzzled me until I remembered we were in Grainger

 

> County, a place renowned for its tomatoes <Granger County tomatoes,

 

> 01-02>.

 

>

 

> 375 teed at TN 92, and we headed south towards Jefferson City.

 

> We crossed the Holston River just downstream of Cherokee Dam,

 

> stopping to get a few pictures <Cherokee Dam 01-03>.

 

>

 

> Just before we got to Jefferson City, the highway teed. 92

 

> went off to the left, toward town, but we drove right instead,

 

> following the old alinement of US 11E (Andrew Johnson Highway). We

 

> stopped for a photo op in New Market, a town probably most famous as

 

> the site of a grinding head on collision between two trains about

 

> 100 years ago <Andrew Johnson Highway 01-03>. We continued through

 

> Strawberry Plains, taking more pictures as we went <AJS 04-05,

 

> Railroad Underpass>.

 

>

 

> There was one more stop for us. Once we returned to the four

 

> lane, we turned right onto Mascot Pike to show Kevin the Mascot

 

> Monster. But first we crossed the Holston River on this unusual

 

> concrete truss bridge <Mascot Bridge 01-02>. Not far beyond the

 

> bridge, there he was, poking his head out of the rocks:) <Mascot

 

> Monster 01-03>. By this time, we were pretty worn out and headed on

 

> back home. If only all my birthdays were this good:)

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Guest Albert Pratts

David Backlin wrote:

 

 

 

> Does anyone have any information regarding the Luten Bridge Company? They

 

> built a lot of the closed-arch type concrete bridges in the 1920's.

 

>

 

> Someone found some of my photos of the Elkins, Arkansas bridge and was

 

> wanting to know more about the company.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

>

 

David,

 

 

 

Here's is Google search

 

 

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=L...ogle+Search

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

 

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it does, it is called by a more respectable

 

name" - Justice Tom Clark

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Merry Christmas & Season's Greetings & Happy Holidays everyone! Like many of

 

you, we too got hit with heavy snow this week. Speedway, IN got 9" in less

 

than 6 hours by early Thursday morning. We awoke to this Thursday:

 

_ (http://tinyurl.com/4k9ww) My office even closed

 

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Thanks for linking your new info Dave. I've been

 

doing some of my own research on Route 66; the reason

 

it became in 1926 as we now know(and the latter

 

alignments) and the pre existing trails that help

 

established it.

 

 

 

By looking at the 1917 map on your site a lot of

 

things came into more focus. First of all it looks to

 

me what was the Pontiac trail was only truly part of

 

Route 66 from Dwight southward. The map shows the

 

Pontiac trail going from Dwight, straight north to

 

Morris, then turns east on what is Route 6 until it

 

enters Joliet. Then continuing up what is ROute

 

171/Archer Ave. In other words, from Dwight to

 

Joliet, The Pontiac trail and Route 66 were not the

 

same.

 

 

 

After reading many sources, all sorts of trails and

 

roads are named from pre Route 66 around Chicago.

 

Chicago Trail, Ottawa trail, Buffalo Trail, Plank

 

Road, High Plains Road - and of course The Pontiac

 

Trail. From looking at your site, giving an

 

explanation to the 'why' Route 66's terminus was at

 

Jackson Blvd.; being the geographical center of the

 

city, it makes it clear that Route 66 was simply a

 

hybrid of many trails and roads to get to St. Louis

 

with the least resistance. Not simply the old Pontiac

 

Trail as it seems it is simply refered to as a soul

 

descendent.

 

 

 

So if we start in Chicago and work westward, 1st road

 

is Jackson Blvd., the only true Euro/American based

 

road, to Plank Road(Ogden Ave.), then that works down

 

to what would essentially be IL 126(Chicago trial)

 

*if* Route 66 wasn't made as a National highway. Then

 

at Welco corners it turned south. I don't know what

 

road or trail this was pre SBI4/Route66 but it must

 

have been a northern spur to get to the river and I&M

 

Canal and parallel the real Pontiac trail(Archer

 

Ave/171)on the other side of the Des Plains river and

 

canal - until meeting at Joliet.

 

 

 

At Joliet - the last leg before we get to the real

 

Pontiac trail, going straight south, 1st hitting the

 

town of Elwood; a railroad town from about the 1850s

 

- I think. Then to Wilmington, a very old river town.

 

The final ~10 miles is towns that were all

 

essentially started as coal towns starting ~1850s

 

also.

 

 

 

Essentially it sounds like this last leg between

 

Joliet and Dwight came into traveling signifigance not

 

because of Indian trails but because of the string of

 

coal towns and the railroad they promoted through this

 

area.

 

 

 

I don't know of how heavily this area was used for

 

traveling(If really at all) in the Indian and trading

 

days but it seems like the pre-city-of-Chicago main

 

travel route would have been on the true Pontiac Trail

 

through Dwight/Morris to Joliet and not the 1926 Rt.66

 

alignment via Dwight/Wilmington to Joliet.

 

 

 

Anyway that's some of my take on the why's of Route 66

 

and, in the Chicago area, as not really the Pontiac

 

Trail but a hybrid of several OTHER different roads

 

and trails.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Mark

 

Buric

 

 

 

 

 

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Once again, we ask for your thoughts and prayers for Skip Curtis.

 

Skip is a friend, author and member of the Route 66 Association of

 

Missouri. His knowledge of Route 66, especially Missouri Route 66,

 

is unlimited. Skip has already undergone chemo to reduce the size

 

of a tumor that appeared in his left lung several months ago. He is

 

going back to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, today,

 

Monday, January 2, and is scheduled for surgery on Wednesday,

 

January 4.

 

All your prayers helped Skip and Karla so very much in August

 

2004, when he had surgery for throat cancer and all through that

 

fall with his radiation treatments. The end result for the throat

 

cancer was so much better than expected. I trust that their Route

 

66 friends will once again rally in support of Skip in this latest

 

medical problem. As we said in August 2004, "We know the power

 

of Route 66 "roadies" when we all pull together, so lets do so again

 

and not let Skip down."

 

We will post updates on Skip as we receive them.

 

 

 

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That is tough....my prayers go out to Skip. That's a road

 

I would never want to travel. God bless, Skip.

 

 

 

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:44:20 -0000

 

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>   Once again, we ask for your thoughts and prayers

 

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> Skip is a friend, author and member of the Route 66

 

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> Missouri.   His knowledge of Route 66,

 

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> is unlimited.  Skip has already undergone chemo to

 

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> ago. He is

 

> going back to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota,

 

> today,

 

> Monday, January 2, and is scheduled for surgery on

 

> Wednesday,

 

> January 4. 

 

>   All your prayers helped Skip and Karla so very

 

> much in August

 

> 2004, when he had surgery for throat cancer and all

 

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> US 340 crosses the Potomac River from Maryland into Virginia. Less

 

than a

 

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> The other candidate might be US 60 in Illinois, between the Ohio and

 

> Mississippi Rivers.

 

 

 

US 62 is also cosigned with US 60 on the short portion through Cairo,

 

Illinois.

 

 

 

I think the winner would have to be easbound US 56-64-412 and Texas.

 

Northeast of Clayton, NM, the highway barely clips the northwest corner

 

of Texas. The corner is in the middle of the road, so the eastbound

 

lanes enter Texas for a very short distance.

 

 

 

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> Sikeston, MO, though they *technically* don't. 61/62 meet Business US 60 .

 

>

 

 

 

The restaurant, Lambert's Cafe, in Sikeston, MO is the "Home of the throwed

 

rolls." It's a fun place with good food.

 

 

 

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Quick Time. But I don't have time to watch them now:-(

 

 

 

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I actually knew this...the reference was more aimed at its status as a total

 

mystery route south of the Turrell Twist (intersec of 63, 55 and 61) (was

 

through there in October; it is still not marked)

 

 

 

However two things: 1) 63 and 61 piggyback 55 to the I-40 interchange;

 

enroute it pickes up 64 at Marion...I don't know how 70 and 79 fit into the

 

time space conundrum but you have at least three US routes intersecting at

 

Marion....Tsingtao Kip

 

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> 63 no longer runs thru Memphis - it comes into I-55 north of West

 

Memphis, then runs west along I-40 to somewhere around Brinkley. I had a

 

photo of a U S 63/U S 70 sign somewhere west of Brinkley. Ensuing debate on

 

American Road e-group brought out that 63 runs south into Lousyana from the

 

discussion.

 

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> Poplar. In downtown everything crosses 61 and 51 - 61, 70, and 79 are

 

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That would also include US 62 which piggybacks 60 across the bridges at

 

Cairo.. 61 traverses 3 miles of Illinois trekking between the WI border and

 

Dubuque IA...Tsingtao Kip

 

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Go to American Road egroup, then pictures. It's on the 2nd page, folder US 64

 

Arkasas/US 70 Arkansas.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

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bugo <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

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>

 

> 63 no longer runs thru Memphis - it comes into I-55 north of West

 

Memphis, then runs west along I-40 to somewhere around Brinkley. I had

 

a photo of a U S 63/U S 70 sign somewhere west of Brinkley. Ensuing

 

debate on American Road e-group brought out that 63 runs south into

 

Lousyana from the discussion.

 

 

 

I'd like to see the pic. The last time I was through there, it was US

 

70/AR 11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Remember to check out some of that great eastern North Carolina

 

barbeque, push it around with hushpuppies, and wash it down with

 

sweet tea.

 

 

 

On your way back, if you have time, take US 70 and stop at Wilber's

 

BarbeQue on the US-70 bypass in Goldsboro, NC. Not only is the bbq

 

superb, but the interior is pure southern dining at its finest.

 

 

 

Go downtown and check out the Record Rack which, sadly to say, is

 

closing after operating since 1972. You can pick up some Beach

 

Music CDs and Stan Hartley will be happy to assist you in your

 

selection. I hate to see another of the mom and pop record stores

 

closing.

 

 

 

You might be wondering just what Beach Music is. Most of you

 

probably immediately thought of the Beach Boys or Jan and Dean.

 

That would be very wrong. It is R&B and many other influences

 

dating from the 50s to the present. It has a very distinct beat you

 

can dance to. The dance is called the Shag (NC's state dance), and

 

I'm not talking about the shag in England. It is sort of like a

 

slow bop.

 

 

 

To get a good idea of it, and you go to beachshag on the internet

 

and listen to Fessa John Hook's Endless Summer network.

 

http://www.beachshag.com

 

 

 

Also, check out the Fort Fisher Museum near the end of 421. This is

 

a little-known, but very pivotal battle near the end of the Civil

 

War. Right now, they have an Armstrong 100 pdr. cannon on temporary

 

loan from West Point as well as a Whitworth cannon, one of the most

 

advanced pieces of artillery at the time. You can also learn about

 

the blockade and blockade-running.

 

 

 

 

 

Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway and a Happy New Year.--RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Russell S. Rein"

 

> <Ypsi-slim@j...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > I can't remember but I believe I was on it today. This is day 3

 

of

 

> my US

 

> > 421 trip.

 

> > Started out Thursday in Michigan City, IN and made it into

 

> Wilmington, NC

 

> > tonite.

 

> > I left Bristol, VA this morning - the first part of the trip

 

today thru

 

> > TN was a crazy

 

> > rollercoaster mountain drive. More on this later.

 

> >

 

> > Happy new year everyone!!

 

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> > ypsi-slim

 

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> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:36:32 EST egyptianzipper@a... writes:

 

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> > I have a trivia question for everyone this morning - where doe U

 

S

 

> > highways 60, 61 and 62 intersect???

 

> >

 

====================================================================

 

> > And where to US routes 221, 321 and 421 intersect?

 

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> > Tom Hoffman

 

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I am very sad to hear the news about Skip Curtis. His book on 66 in

 

Missouri greatly increased our enjoyment of several trips through

 

your great state. He will be in our prayers and here's hoping for a

 

complete recovery.

 

 

 

I'm sure all of '66dom and road warriors across the land will keep

 

him in our thoughts.

 

 

 

Liz and Don Hatch, members of the Route 66 Assoc. of Illinois.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Once again, we ask for your thoughts and prayers for Skip

 

Curtis.

 

> Skip is a friend, author and member of the Route 66 Association of

 

> Missouri. His knowledge of Route 66, especially Missouri Route

 

66,

 

> is unlimited. Skip has already undergone chemo to reduce the size

 

> of a tumor that appeared in his left lung several months ago. He

 

is

 

> going back to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, today,

 

> Monday, January 2, and is scheduled for surgery on Wednesday,

 

> January 4.

 

> All your prayers helped Skip and Karla so very much in August

 

> 2004, when he had surgery for throat cancer and all through that

 

> fall with his radiation treatments. The end result for the throat

 

> cancer was so much better than expected. I trust that their Route

 

> 66 friends will once again rally in support of Skip in this latest

 

> medical problem. As we said in August 2004, "We know the power

 

> of Route 66 "roadies" when we all pull together, so lets do so

 

again

 

> and not let Skip down."

 

> We will post updates on Skip as we receive them.

 

>

 

> Glenda and Tommy Pike, President

 

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Look closely at the link you are clicking on from the original e-mail. Notice

 

that the link is broken, because it is long. There is an additional line of the

 

link below the first one, in each of the three films. Correct this by copying

 

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website address you will see in the website address box (probably at the top of

 

your browser window). It sounds complicated, but once you learn, it is very

 

simple.

 

 

 

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It sez you must supply an ID...how do you do that? Tsingtao Kip

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] The American Road, (Part I, II and III)

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:05 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Road Trips Trivia Question

 

 

 

 

 

>I actually knew this...the reference was more aimed at its status as a

 

>total

 

> mystery route south of the Turrell Twist (intersec of 63, 55 and 61) (was

 

> through there in October; it is still not marked)

 

>

 

> However two things: 1) 63 and 61 piggyback 55 to the I-40 interchange;

 

> enroute it pickes up 64 at Marion...I don't know how 70 and 79 fit into

 

> the

 

> time space conundrum but you have at least three US routes intersecting at

 

> Marion....Tsingtao Kip

 

 

 

 

 

70/79 run parallel to I-40 just to the south. They merge with I-55 just

 

before the Mississippi River, creating the 61/64/70/79 multiplex.

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I put the lines together but I didn't put "2 & 2" together. I noticed the

 

split address and pasted it back together before I tried it so I didn't see

 

the ID request that Kip saw. I then gave the right answer to the wrong

 

question:-) I gotta work on that.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

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Look closely at the link you are clicking on from the original e-mail.

 

Notice that the link is broken, because it is long. There is an additional

 

line of the link below the first one, in each of the three films. Correct

 

this by copying the orphaned segment of the link and after clicking on the

 

clickable truncated part of the link, paste that missing part of the link

 

right at the end of the website address you will see in the website address

 

box (probably at the top of your browser window). It sounds complicated, but

 

once you learn, it is very simple.

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

Rudyard Welborn <r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net> wrote:

 

It sez you must supply an ID...how do you do that? Tsingtao Kip

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:15 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] The American Road, (Part I, II and III)

 

 

 

 

 

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> The American Road, (Part I, II and III)

 

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> Shows development of transportation in the United States during the

 

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> Production Company: Ford Motor Company

 

> Audio/Visual: sound, B&W

 

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