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Mugwump's is on Route 66 in Daggett!

 

 

 

It is an old "service station" that now has a lot of junk accumulated around it

 

and appears abandoned. It is on the SW corner of the intersection of Route 66

 

as you come to the stop sign in Daggett. The Daggett Cafe was just across the

 

intersection.

 

 

 

I have wondered for years where that name came from and now maybe there's a

 

"subtle" reason--maybe the old owner "took an independent, noncommittal attitude

 

toward political issues"....

 

 

 

Hank

 

 

 

The word has American roots - Native American, in fact.

 

 

 

Despite appearances, 'mugwump' is not a compound of 'mug' but rather a loan into

 

colonial American English from Massachusetts, the now extinct language of the

 

Algonquian-speaking Indians of eastern Massachusetts. In a 17th century

 

translation of the Bible into Massachusetts, the missionary John Eliot used

 

'mugquomp' to mean 'duke,' 'lord,' or 'chief.'

 

 

 

 

 

The term really came into its own in 1884, when James G. Blaine received the

 

Republican Party's nomination for the presidency. Many Republicans refused to

 

have anything to do with his candidacy and instead supported the Democratic

 

candidate, Grover Cleveland.

 

 

 

 

 

Those Republicans who remained loyal to their party accused the bolters of a

 

lofty and supercilious attitude and nicknamed them 'mugwumps.' The word had

 

previously been used as a jesting, slightly derogatory term for someone who

 

considered himself an important person. The name given to Republican dissidents

 

in 1884 came later to be used for anyone who took an independent, noncommittal

 

attitude toward political issues. In the 20th century, it was jokingly defined

 

as someone who sits on the political fence with his 'mug' on one side and his

 

'wump' on the other.

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Guest Denny Gibson

But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some folks used it for

 

the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal) would turn up

 

later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny) would reappear in

 

the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the song Creeque

 

Alley.

 

 

 

:-) Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Hank Hallmark [mailto:thehallmarks@earthlink.net]

 

> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:11 AM

 

> To: Route66 Discussion Group; American Road

 

> Cc: California Rte 66 Assn; Calif Rte 66 Museum

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

> Mugwump's is on Route 66 in Daggett!

 

>

 

> It is an old "service station" that now has a lot of junk

 

> accumulated around it and appears abandoned. It is on the SW

 

> corner of the intersection of Route 66 as you come to the

 

> stop sign in Daggett. The Daggett Cafe was just across the

 

> intersection.

 

>

 

> I have wondered for years where that name came from and now

 

> maybe there's a "subtle" reason--maybe the old owner "took an

 

> independent, noncommittal attitude toward political issues"....

 

>

 

> Hank

 

>

 

> The word has American roots - Native American, in fact.

 

>

 

> Despite appearances, 'mugwump' is not a compound of 'mug' but

 

> rather a loan into colonial American English from

 

> Massachusetts, the now extinct language of the

 

> Algonquian-speaking Indians of eastern Massachusetts. In a

 

> 17th century translation of the Bible into Massachusetts, the

 

> missionary John Eliot used 'mugquomp' to mean 'duke,' 'lord,'

 

> or 'chief.'

 

>

 

>

 

> The term really came into its own in 1884, when James G.

 

> Blaine received the Republican Party's nomination for the

 

> presidency. Many Republicans refused to have anything to do

 

> with his candidacy and instead supported the Democratic

 

> candidate, Grover Cleveland.

 

>

 

>

 

> Those Republicans who remained loyal to their party accused

 

> the bolters of a lofty and supercilious attitude and

 

> nicknamed them 'mugwumps.' The word had previously been used

 

> as a jesting, slightly derogatory term for someone who

 

> considered himself an important person. The name given to

 

> Republican dissidents in 1884 came later to be used for

 

> anyone who took an independent, noncommittal attitude toward

 

> political issues. In the 20th century, it was jokingly

 

> defined as someone who sits on the political fence with his

 

> 'mug' on one side and his 'wump' on the other.

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Guest Denny Gibson

Could you be thinking of the Golliwogs? The Fogerty brothers had a group by

 

that name pre-CCR. Both words (mugwump & golliwog) have a Dr. Seuss flavor.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

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> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:42 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

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> IIRC, a couple more Mugwumps went on to form Creedence

 

> Clearwater Revival.

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Denny Gibson

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 AM

 

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

>

 

> But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some

 

> folks used it for

 

> the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal)

 

> would turn up

 

> later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny)

 

> would reappear in

 

> the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the

 

> song Creeque

 

> Alley.

 

>

 

> :-) Denny

 

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Denny,

 

 

 

I happen to have TWO copies of the only album by the Mugwumps. One of them is

 

still in an original unopened plastic sleeve that holds the actual record. For

 

those of you who are old enough to remember those flat black pieces of plastic

 

with grooves on them, some of them came in polyethylene sleeves with a

 

perforated strip you would tear off to get to the record.

 

 

 

Actually, John Sebastian wasn't ever a member of the Mugwumps. It was James, or

 

Jim Hendricks (no, not Jimi Hendrix) who pretty much disappeared from the music

 

scene after the late 60s-early 70s. Here's a link to more about the Mugwumps:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~dunhill1966/themugwumps.htm<http://home.comcast.net/~du

 

nhill1966/themugwumps.htm>.

 

 

 

For even more meaningless trivia here are the cuts from that old obscure record:

 

 

 

SEARCHIN'

 

I DON'T WANNA KNOW

 

I'LL REMEMBER TONIGHT

 

HERE IT IS ANOTHER DAY

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

 

YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER

 

EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKIN'

 

DO WHAT THEY DON'T SAY

 

SO FINE

 

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

 

To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

 

 

 

 

But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some folks used it for

 

the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal) would turn up

 

later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny) would reappear in

 

the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the song Creeque

 

Alley.

 

 

 

:-) Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Hank Hallmark [mailto:thehallmarks@earthlink.net]

 

> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:11 AM

 

> To: Route66 Discussion Group; American Road

 

> Cc: California Rte 66 Assn; Calif Rte 66 Museum

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

> Mugwump's is on Route 66 in Daggett!

 

>

 

> It is an old "service station" that now has a lot of junk

 

> accumulated around it and appears abandoned. It is on the SW

 

> corner of the intersection of Route 66 as you come to the

 

> stop sign in Daggett. The Daggett Cafe was just across the

 

> intersection.

 

>

 

> I have wondered for years where that name came from and now

 

> maybe there's a "subtle" reason--maybe the old owner "took an

 

> independent, noncommittal attitude toward political issues"....

 

>

 

> Hank

 

>

 

> The word has American roots - Native American, in fact.

 

>

 

> Despite appearances, 'mugwump' is not a compound of 'mug' but

 

> rather a loan into colonial American English from

 

> Massachusetts, the now extinct language of the

 

> Algonquian-speaking Indians of eastern Massachusetts. In a

 

> 17th century translation of the Bible into Massachusetts, the

 

> missionary John Eliot used 'mugquomp' to mean 'duke,' 'lord,'

 

> or 'chief.'

 

>

 

>

 

> The term really came into its own in 1884, when James G.

 

> Blaine received the Republican Party's nomination for the

 

> presidency. Many Republicans refused to have anything to do

 

> with his candidacy and instead supported the Democratic

 

> candidate, Grover Cleveland.

 

>

 

>

 

> Those Republicans who remained loyal to their party accused

 

> the bolters of a lofty and supercilious attitude and

 

> nicknamed them 'mugwumps.' The word had previously been used

 

> as a jesting, slightly derogatory term for someone who

 

> considered himself an important person. The name given to

 

> Republican dissidents in 1884 came later to be used for

 

> anyone who took an independent, noncommittal attitude toward

 

> political issues. In the 20th century, it was jokingly

 

> defined as someone who sits on the political fence with his

 

> 'mug' on one side and his 'wump' on the other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This is a message from Patty Kuhn in Illinois:

 

 

 

<< just received word that our friend, Tom Teague, passed away on

 

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finalized today

 

and the obituary will likely appear in tomorrow's Springfield

 

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I'll forward any information I find out regarding the arrangements.

 

 

 

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IIRC, a couple more Mugwumps went on to form Creedence Clearwater Revival.

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Denny Gibson

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

 

 

 

 

But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some folks used it for

 

the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal) would turn up

 

later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny) would reappear in

 

the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the song Creeque

 

Alley.

 

 

 

:-) Denny

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Wow, I had no idea that the Mugwumps even released an album let alone that

 

they sold two copies of it;-) John thinks he was a member (

 

http://www.johnbsebastian.com/ ) but I read elsewhere that it was early on;

 

Probably before the album.

 

 

 

It seems that stories of your music collection are founded in truth. I'm

 

just beginning to get an appreciation for it.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com]

 

> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:58 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

> Denny,

 

>

 

> I happen to have TWO copies of the only album by the

 

> Mugwumps. One of them is still in an original unopened

 

> plastic sleeve that holds the actual record. For those of

 

> you who are old enough to remember those flat black pieces of

 

> plastic with grooves on them, some of them came in

 

> polyethylene sleeves with a perforated strip you would tear

 

> off to get to the record.

 

>

 

> Actually, John Sebastian wasn't ever a member of the

 

> Mugwumps. It was James, or Jim Hendricks (no, not Jimi

 

> Hendrix) who pretty much disappeared from the music scene

 

> after the late 60s-early 70s. Here's a link to more about

 

> the Mugwumps:

 

> <http://ho

 

> me.comcast.net/~dunhill1966/themugwumps.htm>.

 

>

 

> For even more meaningless trivia here are the cuts from that

 

> old obscure record:

 

>

 

> SEARCHIN'

 

> I DON'T WANNA KNOW

 

> I'LL REMEMBER TONIGHT

 

> HERE IT IS ANOTHER DAY

 

> DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

 

> YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER

 

> EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKIN'

 

> DO WHAT THEY DON'T SAY

 

> SO FINE

 

>

 

> Mike

 

>

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com>

 

> To:

 

> <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 AM

 

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

>

 

> But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some

 

> folks used it for

 

> the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal)

 

> would turn up

 

> later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny)

 

> would reappear in

 

> the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the

 

> song Creeque

 

> Alley.

 

>

 

> :-) Denny

 

>

 

> > -----Original Message-----

 

> > From: Hank Hallmark [mailto:thehallmarks@earthlink.net]

 

> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:11 AM

 

> > To: Route66 Discussion Group; American Road

 

> > Cc: California Rte 66 Assn; Calif Rte 66 Museum

 

> > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

> >

 

> > Mugwump's is on Route 66 in Daggett!

 

> >

 

> > It is an old "service station" that now has a lot of junk

 

> > accumulated around it and appears abandoned. It is on the SW

 

> > corner of the intersection of Route 66 as you come to the

 

> > stop sign in Daggett. The Daggett Cafe was just across the

 

> > intersection.

 

> >

 

> > I have wondered for years where that name came from and now

 

> > maybe there's a "subtle" reason--maybe the old owner "took an

 

> > independent, noncommittal attitude toward political issues"....

 

> >

 

> > Hank

 

> >

 

> > The word has American roots - Native American, in fact.

 

> >

 

> > Despite appearances, 'mugwump' is not a compound of 'mug' but

 

> > rather a loan into colonial American English from

 

> > Massachusetts, the now extinct language of the

 

> > Algonquian-speaking Indians of eastern Massachusetts. In a

 

> > 17th century translation of the Bible into Massachusetts, the

 

> > missionary John Eliot used 'mugquomp' to mean 'duke,' 'lord,'

 

> > or 'chief.'

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > The term really came into its own in 1884, when James G.

 

> > Blaine received the Republican Party's nomination for the

 

> > presidency. Many Republicans refused to have anything to do

 

> > with his candidacy and instead supported the Democratic

 

> > candidate, Grover Cleveland.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Those Republicans who remained loyal to their party accused

 

> > the bolters of a lofty and supercilious attitude and

 

> > nicknamed them 'mugwumps.' The word had previously been used

 

> > as a jesting, slightly derogatory term for someone who

 

> > considered himself an important person. The name given to

 

> > Republican dissidents in 1884 came later to be used for

 

> > anyone who took an independent, noncommittal attitude toward

 

> > political issues. In the 20th century, it was jokingly

 

> > defined as someone who sits on the political fence with his

 

> > 'mug' on one side and his 'wump' on the other.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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regarding Mugwumps, the original topic was an oddball

 

name for a gas station, seems like it took a bit of a

 

swerve into 60s pop music.

 

 

 

trying to steer this thing out of the ditch, the best

 

oddball name for a gas station is one I first discovered

 

back in the 70s from a late 40s postcard

 

 

 

Two Stiffs Selling Gas

 

 

 

If I remember correct it was in Nevada, two WWII vets came

 

back from the war and went into business, don't know whatever

 

happened to it.

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Yes. Thanks for reminding me. Both were around at the same time, and oddly

 

enough recorded for the same label.

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:02 PM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

 

 

 

 

Could you be thinking of the Golliwogs? The Fogerty brothers had a group by

 

that name pre-CCR. Both words (mugwump & golliwog) have a Dr. Seuss flavor.

 

 

 

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Mm-kay, if the Mugwumps recorded for Dunhill, I was wrong about the label thing

 

for the Golliwogs...

 

who were on Fantasy Records.

 

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Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

 

 

 

 

Denny,

 

 

 

I happen to have TWO copies of the only album by the Mugwumps. One of them is

 

still in an original unopened plastic sleeve that holds the actual record. For

 

those of you who are old enough to remember those flat black pieces of plastic

 

with grooves on them, some of them came in polyethylene sleeves with a

 

perforated strip you would tear off to get to the record.

 

 

 

Actually, John Sebastian wasn't ever a member of the Mugwumps. It was James,

 

or Jim Hendricks (no, not Jimi Hendrix) who pretty much disappeared from the

 

music scene after the late 60s-early 70s. Here's a link to more about the

 

Mugwumps:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~dunhill1966/themugwumps.htm<http://home.comcast.net/~du

 

nhill1966/themugwumps.htm>.

 

 

 

For even more meaningless trivia here are the cuts from that old obscure

 

record:

 

 

 

SEARCHIN'

 

I DON'T WANNA KNOW

 

I'LL REMEMBER TONIGHT

 

HERE IT IS ANOTHER DAY

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

 

YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER

 

EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKIN'

 

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SO FINE

 

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

 

 

 

 

But the term REALLY came into its own in 1964 when some folks used it for

 

the name of a musical group. A couple of them (John & Zal) would turn up

 

later in the Lovin' Spoonful and two others (Cass & Denny) would reappear in

 

the Mammas & Pappas and sing of their Mugwump days in the song Creeque

 

Alley.

 

 

 

:-) Denny

 

 

 

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> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mugwump's on Route 66--in Daggett!

 

>

 

> Mugwump's is on Route 66 in Daggett!

 

>

 

> It is an old "service station" that now has a lot of junk

 

> accumulated around it and appears abandoned. It is on the SW

 

> corner of the intersection of Route 66 as you come to the

 

> stop sign in Daggett. The Daggett Cafe was just across the

 

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> Hank

 

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> The word has American roots - Native American, in fact.

 

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> Despite appearances, 'mugwump' is not a compound of 'mug' but

 

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> Massachusetts, the now extinct language of the

 

> Algonquian-speaking Indians of eastern Massachusetts. In a

 

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> Those Republicans who remained loyal to their party accused

 

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> Republican dissidents in 1884 came later to be used for

 

> anyone who took an independent, noncommittal attitude toward

 

> political issues. In the 20th century, it was jokingly

 

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saw this on another list - good looking site, great soundtrack!

 

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Hi, I've been lurking for a bit now but haven't posted yet. My husband and I

 

will be going to Philadelphia the last week of August to meet our new

 

granddaughter. While we're there, we wanted to take some nice drives. Anyone

 

have any ideas? Something we can do in a day would be best, and bear in mind

 

that we'll have a three month old and a nursing mother in the car, so we'll need

 

to stop periodically. Thanks in advance,

 

 

 

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Hello Group!

 

 

 

I happened to get some info for a neat site that many of you just might enjoy!

 

 

 

viewsofthepast.com

 

 

 

This photo was in the transportation section, Gas Stations & Dealerships.

 

 

 

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For some reason the picture that I tried to forward didn't go through! It was a

 

neat BW photo of an old Sinclair station.

 

 

 

Ken

 

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I might just add that I've spent a lot of time in Albuquerque and the rest of

 

New Mexico, and I've never had trouble trouble with the traffic authorities.

 

 

 

But then, I don't drive when under the influence, and I don't run red lights.

 

 

 

It just broke my heart a few years ago when I sweet young woman I knew, a person

 

everyone who knew her loved, was killed by a drunken driver. He was driving in

 

the wrong lane on a road with a divider, and hit her car headon. (And he was

 

an illegal alien, too).

 

 

 

New Mexico has good reason to be strict about traffic regulations. (And I'm

 

not advocating unconstitutional measures -- but New York City was confiscating

 

accused DUI drivers' cars, on Mayor Rudi Giuliani's orders).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fred Moore <texasfred@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

To those who are worried:

 

Worry no more a State Judge ruled the impounding as

 

unconsttutinal so the law will not be able to take

 

your vehicle. Just trying to keep you up to date.

 

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> strict enforcement

 

> and strong prosecution of DWI and red light laws.

 

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It was just a mere 20 years ago today that a group of dignitaries cut a ribbon

 

in Williams, Arizona, opening a stretch of Interstate 40 and bypassing the last

 

stretch of Route 66. That led to the final decommissioning of the road early in

 

1985 by AASHTO.

 

 

 

Would anyone have thought then that the old road would have as much interest

 

round the country and around the world as it does today? That is due in no

 

small part to folks like the members of this group. Thanks to everyone!

 

 

 

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Well,........I use to drive long haul years ago. I do agree that with anyone

 

caught while under the influence should get their vehicles

 

impounded/confiscated!

 

 

 

But there are those times at light signals where the light changes so fast that

 

you just may have to make a quick decision on whether or not to keep going

 

through the signal. I always try to be prepared for this to happen, But

 

sometimes you just have to keep going when you get to the "point of no return"

 

for safety's sake!

 

 

 

I can see though that if it were a clearly intentional type of red light

 

running. Then by all means it's time to impound or what ever action is necesary!

 

It just may be one of us that gets our very own lives taken by someone running a

 

red light well after it has changed!

 

 

 

Also just a little of my encounter input; Being on the road I have been to

 

countless fatal accidents.

 

 

 

The one that stands out the most in my memory was on Easter Sunday morning 1990

 

or 1991.(the year is a little foggy in my mind, but the day is hard to forget)

 

I was going from Milwaukee Wi. to the Los Angeles Ca. area with a load of

 

equipment & supplies.

 

There were 7 trucks in our group rolling southbound at roughly 7 am Mountain

 

Time Zone together chatting on the CB radio.

 

We were on I-15 in Utah about a hundred miles or so south of Salt Lake City UT..

 

I always had a mounted Scanner in my rig so I could get the weather etc. so I

 

could make a decision while enroute whether to change my routing to avoid

 

serious snow storms, bad weather & or to learn of any road closings due to

 

accidents shutting down the roadway ahead! In fact we all had them. Also

 

listening in to aircraft was nice to pass the time rolling through the

 

mountains.

 

 

 

Well anyways, As we were rolling along we heard a conversation between an

 

officer & dispatcher. Then we came upon the accident scene that was being

 

broadcasted. The car was a big blue 4 door laying on its side in the middle of

 

the interstate lanes of travel. A drunk driver was going the wrong way in the

 

northbound lanes. They had colided head on. They were on their way to

 

Grandmothers house for Easter Sunday.

 

Well as we listened in we could hear children crying in the background, The

 

officer was weeping too & mentioned that they were headed to Grandmothers house

 

for Easter Sunday & he said that he didn't know what to tell the children, The

 

dispatcher was at a loss too! ..............Just what do you say to someone who

 

just lost their "MOTHER" due to some jackass! who had a few too many! Especially

 

on a day such as this!

 

 

 

I've been to many fatal red light running & under the influence accident scenes!

 

 

 

Maybe if some of you out there were to see people with missing heads, limbs,&

 

very badly mutalated bodies like I have seen in my travels. You'd probably

 

change your mind about many law issues!

 

 

 

Sometimes I don't know how the law enforcement officers do it due to selfish

 

sensless acts mentioned!

 

 

 

Just wanted to add my view about the issue so I'll just leave it at that!

 

 

 

I'm glad to see posts from both sides of this issue! Conversation Right? No

 

Flames intended on my part!

 

 

 

Thanks again for a very good site!

 

 

 

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I might just add that I've spent a lot of time in Albuquerque and the rest of

 

New Mexico, and I've never had trouble trouble with the traffic authorities.

 

 

 

But then, I don't drive when under the influence, and I don't run red lights.

 

 

 

It just broke my heart a few years ago when I sweet young woman I knew, a

 

person everyone who knew her loved, was killed by a drunken driver. He was

 

driving in the wrong lane on a road with a divider, and hit her car headon.

 

(And he was an illegal alien, too).

 

 

 

New Mexico has good reason to be strict about traffic regulations. (And I'm

 

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accused DUI drivers' cars, on Mayor Rudi Giuliani's orders).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> > Both DWI and running red lights KILL innocent

 

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> > New Mexico has one of the worst DWI problems in

 

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> strict enforcement

 

> and strong prosecution of DWI and red light laws.

 

>

 

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In IL when you are making a left turn and are within the intersection when the

 

light turns yellow, it is legal to conclude your turn when the light turns to

 

red and it's safe to do so. Is IL unique, or is that the case elsewhere (like

 

ABQ), too?

 

 

 

Bob

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Bob,

 

 

 

It's also legal in Arizona, if you are in the intersection. The problem here is

 

caused by people who think they should also be able to go on the red light if

 

you they were within 5-6 car lengths of the intersection.

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:15 PM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to Mayor Chavez of

 

Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

 

 

 

 

In IL when you are making a left turn and are within the intersection when the

 

light turns yellow, it is legal to conclude your turn when the light turns to

 

red and it's safe to do so. Is IL unique, or is that the case elsewhere (like

 

ABQ), too?

 

 

 

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Yeah, I got rear-ended by one of those guys once. He was uninsured, too!

 

Thanks for the info.

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

It's also legal in Arizona, if you are in the intersection. The problem here is

 

caused by people who think they should also be able to go on the red light if

 

you they were within 5-6 car lengths of the intersection.

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When I did television news, I saw my fair share of gorey scenes. The blood never

 

bothered me, but the sounds that a person who's seriously injured makes haunted

 

me. I'm glad there are people willing to be law enforcement officers and nurses

 

and doctors and EMTs for I certainly couldn't do it.

 

 

 

I got into a big argument with my producer one night because I wanted to show

 

the back of a car that had been at fault in an accident, killing 5 people, that

 

had a bumper sticker on it that said, "why, yes, as a matter of fact, I do own

 

the road." I wanted to show it because to me it indicated a personality type

 

that is likely to cause an accident. The producer's argument was that it could

 

have been on there when they got the car second hand. That was a good argument.

 

I confirmed that was NOT the case. I still lost the argument, which is why in TV

 

news you want to be behind the scenes making decsions instead of on-camera

 

talent. Talent is a dime a dozen.

 

 

 

But, after a particularly gruesome Sunday afternoon accident with children left

 

without parents after being hit by a drunk driver it became a moot point. I

 

decided I didn't want to do that for a living anymore and quit, going back to

 

work in radio where I didn't have to be on the scene at such things as much.

 

 

 

The open road is a fascinating place. We talk about it all the time. It holds

 

many delights and feeds our wanderlust like nothing else. It can also be a

 

dangerous place and it's good to always keep that in mind.

 

 

 

 

 

>to see people with missing heads, limbs,& very badly mutalated bodies like I

 

have seen in my travels.

 

 

 

 

 

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Can anyone tell this beginner why some messages are

 

formatted so long that I can't read the entire

 

sentence without lifting the mouse and getting a

 

'second wind' so to speak. What am I doing that makes

 

it so unconfortable to read these post??

 

 

 

--- Mike Ward <flyboy1946@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Bob,

 

>

 

> It's also legal in Arizona, if you are in the

 

> intersection. The problem here is caused by people

 

> who think they should also be able to go on the red

 

> light if you they were within 5-6 car lengths of the

 

> intersection.

 

>

 

> Mike

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

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>

 

<mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

>

 

> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:15 PM

 

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to

 

> Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

>

 

>

 

> In IL when you are making a left turn and are

 

> within the intersection when the light turns yellow,

 

> it is legal to conclude your turn when the light

 

> turns to red and it's safe to do so. Is IL unique,

 

> or is that the case elsewhere (like ABQ), too?

 

>

 

> Bob

 

>

 

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