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> In a message dated 7/1/05 7:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

> realtupi@y... writes:

 

> We avoided the Interstates (I fail to see that they save much time

 

any more)

 

> and drove the old highways.

 

 

 

 

 

I hear you! A few months ago, my mom traveled from Connecticut back

 

to Indy. Around 3:30 PM on a weekday, she was in Ohio on I-70 just

 

west of the Gratiot exit when she was stopped in traffic due to a

 

HUGE accident...it shut down I-70 until - yes, honest!! - 11:00 PM!

 

She called me, and I tried to help with an alternate routing (using

 

my trusty Streets and Trips). Unfortunately, the next exit was 11

 

miles or so away, and traffic literally never moved the whole time.

 

She was only just past an the previous when the traffic stopped; if

 

traffic had backed up prior to that exit, she could have gotten onto

 

U.S. 40 west and avoided sitting in a parking lot for 8 hours!

 

 

 

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Hi Evelyn,

 

 

 

Your question isn't stupid at all. Your trip will just require a little

 

research like any

 

good road trip that is highway specific, and with the intent to stay off

 

those

 

interstates!

 

 

 

There are quite a few Rt 66 guides and maps published over the last 20

 

years or so.

 

Here's a link to a set of individual state maps for Rt. 66:

 

http://xrl.us/gmte

 

Some good computer mapping software is helpful like those offered by

 

Microsoft and

 

Delorme.

 

 

 

I'm sure the members here can make some additional recommendations. Have

 

fun!

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:02:01 -0500 "Evelyn Phillips"

 

<elp@antiquesbyevelyn.com> writes:

 

Hi Everyone:

 

 

 

I just joined the group and have a request!

 

 

 

My husband retired in February of this year. I was raised in Chicago,

 

Illinois and never missed the old Route 66 series. I always dreamed of

 

one day following that road. Now, my husband and I are wanting to take

 

some short trips (2-4 days at a time) and for our first jaunt would

 

like to start on Route 66 somewhere in or near Normal, Illinois (we live

 

over near Moline, Illinois and are only about 1-1/2 hours from

 

Bloomington/Normal). We would like to travel as much of Route 66 as

 

possible down to about Rolla, Missouri, leaving in about two weeks.

 

 

 

I am looking for either a map or information regarding where Route 66

 

would start near Normal, and what the towns are along the path we would

 

like to take. Also, if Route 66 ends at some point along the way, what

 

route would we follow going in that direction to pick it up again. Can

 

all of this be done without having to go on an Interstate? I guess my

 

main concern is if we get on a portion of Route 66, and it goes for say

 

15 miles, does it just end? Are there directions locally for what route

 

to take to pick it up again? I hate to sound so stupid, but this will

 

be a new adventure for us, and if this one works well, we will probably

 

do it again on another portion farther down the road taking the

 

Interstate to that portion where we ended the time before.

 

 

 

If all of this doesn't sound too stupid, I'd appreciate any information

 

between these two points and would be most grateful to the group. I'm

 

already really enjoying the posts and it's only been a couple days.

 

 

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

Evelyn

 

elp@antiquesbyevelyn.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

Sounds like you have some good times ahead. A basic fact is that "Route 66

 

ends at some point along the way" but it did that a few decades back and

 

much of it has been re-signed with various "Historic 66" markers. There are

 

several maps and guide books available and you'll no doubt want to acquire

 

some for future planning.

 

 

 

For your immediate needs, I suggest visiting Swa Frantzen's

 

http://www.historic66.com . This is the most easily accessible set of

 

detailed directions for following the route I know of. That and the signage

 

and your own sense of adventure should help you enjoy your Normal-Rolla

 

drive.

 

 

 

Longer term, you'll want to do some reading and study some maps.

 

and http://www.national66.com/ are both good

 

sources. This group is definitely a good resource and you may also want to

 

take a look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/route66/ .

 

 

 

I could rattle on for awhile with specific recommendation on maps & such but

 

I think the URLs I've included make for a good start and Swa's online

 

directions should help with getting together enough information and

 

confidence to have a great time driving to Rolla. I'm sure other group

 

members will chime in with their own contributions.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Evelyn Phillips [mailto:elp@antiquesbyevelyn.com]

 

> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:02 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] New Member and Request

 

>

 

>

 

> Hi Everyone:

 

>

 

> I just joined the group and have a request!

 

>

 

> My husband retired in February of this year. I was raised in Chicago,

 

> Illinois and never missed the old Route 66 series. I always dreamed of

 

> one day following that road. Now, my husband and I are wanting to take

 

> some short trips (2-4 days at a time) and for our first jaunt would

 

> like to start on Route 66 somewhere in or near Normal, Illinois (we live

 

> over near Moline, Illinois and are only about 1-1/2 hours from

 

> Bloomington/Normal). We would like to travel as much of Route 66 as

 

> possible down to about Rolla, Missouri, leaving in about two weeks.

 

>

 

> I am looking for either a map or information regarding where Route 66

 

> would start near Normal, and what the towns are along the path we would

 

> like to take. Also, if Route 66 ends at some point along the way, what

 

> route would we follow going in that direction to pick it up again. Can

 

> all of this be done without having to go on an Interstate? I guess my

 

> main concern is if we get on a portion of Route 66, and it goes for say

 

> 15 miles, does it just end? Are there directions locally for what route

 

> to take to pick it up again? I hate to sound so stupid, but this will

 

> be a new adventure for us, and if this one works well, we will probably

 

> do it again on another portion farther down the road taking the

 

> Interstate to that portion where we ended the time before.

 

>

 

> If all of this doesn't sound too stupid, I'd appreciate any information

 

> between these two points and would be most grateful to the group. I'm

 

> already really enjoying the posts and it's only been a couple days.

 

>

 

> Thanks again.

 

>

 

> Evelyn

 

> elp@antiquesbyevelyn.com

 

>

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Guest Joel Windmiller

Ken:

 

 

 

How about the old style US shield with the state name and US on it.

 

Along with the correct # font. What would that cost?

 

 

 

About 5 years ago I ordered some us signs from a sign company I purchased the

 

current california version of the US cut-out shield for US 40, 50, 99 & 101. I

 

think my cost was around $40 per sign.

 

 

 

 

 

Joel

 

 

 

Ken <thelandrunner@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Greetings All,

 

 

 

Would anyone be interested in obtaining any reproduction shield route

 

markers? Can have them made with ANY route numbers current or past.

 

(ie: US66, US 99, US40, US101, US60, US1, US40, etc)

 

 

 

They're made to authentic specs by a company who contracts out to

 

individual state DOT's for actual highway use:

 

Height: 24 inches x 24 inches

 

Material: .080" 3105 Aluminum Alloy

 

Sheeting: 3M Scotchlite Engineer Grade

 

$60 plus shipping.

 

 

 

If interested, send me an email and I can send you a photo.

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

 

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How bout this:

 

 

 

IN SR 67 to SR 57; So on SR 57 to SR 68; East on SR 68 to SR 14 and New

 

Harmony; cross the river and take IL 141 to IL 1; take IL 1 South through

 

Garden of the Gods/Cave in Rock Country; Just No of Cave In rock you can

 

hitch onto IL 146 which will take you along the Ohio and West to IL 3 (if

 

you turn No on 127, you can go to Alto Pass, which I hear has a fine

 

winery)...Il 3 South through IL bayou country (stop in Grand Tower; if you

 

go to the river you will see the Tower Rock which is an awesome rock in the

 

middle of the river; alas, I don't believe the Ferry runs anymore; also stop

 

in Thebes to see the courthouse where the Dred Scott saga started) and on

 

south to Cairo...there you find two awesome bridges, Ft. Defiance St. Park

 

(where you can see the Mississippi and Ohio Meet)...Cross both but

 

eventually head west US 62 to Sikeston; there pick up US 60 west to Dexter

 

(Stoddard County, MO, my stompin grounds). Get yourself a room at one of

 

the finest roadside ranchouse motel establishments around, the Hickory House

 

and eat some of the best pig you will find anywhere at the Hickory

 

Log...next day head back to Sikeston and take US 61 (one awesome stretch of

 

blue highway, especially after Cape) North to St. Louis; Follow the National

 

Road back to Indy (sorry I didnt' get creative at the end!) ...that's my two

 

cents...Tsingtao Kip

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:46 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Ideas needed! Two lane route & destinations

 

south of Indiana...

 

 

 

 

 

> Jennifer,

 

>

 

> I sometimes get the old Rand McNally out and take a look. They have areas

 

> that they call scenic routes and have followed some of these in

 

> Kansas. You would be surprised the things you can find on those trips.

 

>

 

> Larry

 

>

 

>

 

> At 01:26 PM 7/1/2005 +0000, you wrote:

 

> >Hi all! Pat and I are interested in taking a weekend trip, just

 

> >Saturday and Sunday. I'd like to head south, take all two lane roads

 

> >(though, I'm not averse to taking the Evil-I through Indiana, then two

 

> >lane after). We'd probably leave at 7:00 AM, and stop around 6:00 PM.

 

> >

 

> >Assuming our fairly lesirely pace, stopping often to take photos, I

 

> >guess we'd average 35 - 40 MPH, so we could travel between 385 and 440

 

> >miles from Indianapolis. I'd like suggestions from the group as to a

 

> >nice scenic route we can take. Any additional suggestions, such as

 

> >diners, motels and things to do / see are welcomed as well.

 

> >

 

> >I have Microsoft Streets and Trips, and a neat feature is to set

 

> >preferred roads, you can set Interstates to low preference and other

 

> >highways to high preference, and it will keep you off the interstate.

 

> >

 

> >Thanks for any suggestions!

 

> >

 

> >Jennifer

 

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Guest bbhann1

--hello Tim i have been looking at highway 20 thus also looking at 26

 

is there much difference in the roads and terrain. someone told me

 

that i could very easily get stuck behind alot of camper trailers on

 

20. not that is bad but being on a motorcycle. thanks for your

 

responce. keith

 

- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tpalange@h...> wrote:

 

> Hi,

 

> If you're coming into Oregon from the north or east, work your way

 

> down to Bend, in the central part of the state. From there head

 

west

 

> to Sisters on US 20. Go west from Sisters on Oregon 242, across

 

the

 

> McKenzie Pass - be sure to stretch your legs with a hike in the

 

lava

 

> fields, and view the distant mountains at the observatory. At the

 

> western end of OR 242 turn left (west) on OR 126; take it all the

 

way

 

> to Florence via Eugene/Springfield. Don't forget to stop and say

 

hi

 

> at Harbick's General Store between McKenzie Bridge and Blue River,

 

and

 

> get a good meal at the Vida Cafe in Vida. You won't regret driving

 

> these roads and meeting the fine folks in the McKenzie Valley.

 

> Tim

 

> McKenzie Bridge, OR

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "bbhann1" <bbhann1@y...>

 

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> > thanks for being approved to American_Road. i am trying to put

 

> together

 

> > a ride on my m/c from KC area to Florance OR. the first of august

 

if

 

> > anyone can give some good advice on touring roads from here to

 

there

 

> > would be of great appreciation. Was going to go to beartooth

 

> highway,

 

> > but i understand it will be closed through this year. thanks

 

again

 

> for

 

> > acceptance and for the info.

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Guest Jennifer

Hi Evelyn,

 

 

 

The previous posts are basically what I would recommend as well to

 

get you started. Also, once you are on 66, you can pick up a free

 

Illinois Route 66 map available at various places. Off the top of

 

my head, I know they have some in Towanda, *just* north of Normal.

 

If you don't mind a short double back, Towanda has a neat display of

 

Route 66 (on old 66 pavement) called Route 66 - A Geographic

 

Journey. Here are some photos (scroll about halfway down):

 

http://www.roadtripmemories.com/trips/illinois66.htm

 

 

 

Route 66 in Illinois is very well-marked. You should have no

 

trouble there, even through cities. Springfield has several

 

alignments and all are well marked with the date of the alignment

 

(ie, 1926 - 1930).

 

 

 

Also available is a great book by John Weiss called "Traveling the

 

New, Historic Route 66 in Illinois" which provides excellent details.

 

 

 

I enjoy Illinois 66 very much. Some of my favorites south of

 

Bloomington / Normal include:

 

 

 

- Funk's Grove Maple Sirup

 

- Atlanta - "Muffler Man" holding a giant hot dog, formerly of

 

Bunyan's Hot Dogs in Cicero; also some fantastic murals of old

 

signage and a very neat public library building

 

- Broadwell - Ernie Edwards' Pig Hip Museum

 

-south of Lincoln - if you are adventurous, there is a "Ghost

 

Bridge" over Salt Creek. For the die hard road geeks, very cool.

 

- Williamsville - there is a "dream car" museum there, but it's

 

mainly open during the week, and early on Saturday. I have never had

 

a chance to get there when they are open, but it looks very cool.

 

When you are on 66 heading south, just before you need to turn right

 

onto I-55 (for a brief stretch here you must get on the evil-I as I

 

call the Interstate), follow what is marked as a spur of 66, and the

 

Dream Car Museum is on the right, between this alignment of 66 and

 

the Interstate.

 

- Springfield - choice of alignments here as well. Bill Shea's

 

Museum, of course, Cozy Dogs!, Lincoln Historic sites. In

 

September, there is a big 66 Festival downtown

 

- South of Springfield, you have a choice of 2 alignments, the old

 

IL 4 alignment and the newer alignment, which parallels I-55. Both

 

have their appeal and unique things to see and do -here's a small

 

sample of my favorites:

 

 

 

Near Raymond - Our Lady of the Highways shrine

 

Litchfield - Ariston Cafe; Litchfield also is holding a great

 

classic car fest each year in June right on Route 66 pavement. It

 

was last week and was alot of fun! I took a ton of photos, but have

 

not had a chance to post them yet.

 

Auburn - old alignment, brick paved

 

Hamel - Meramec Caverns Barn newly restored

 

 

 

That's just the tip of the iceberg for what there is on 66 in

 

Illinois, and that's only south of Bloomington! LOL

 

 

 

Jennifer

 

http://www.roadtripmemories.com

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> --hello Tim i have been looking at highway 20 thus also looking at

 

26

 

> is there much difference in the roads and terrain. someone told me

 

> that i could very easily get stuck behind alot of camper trailers on

 

> 20. not that is bad but being on a motorcycle. thanks for your

 

> responce. keith

 

 

 

Hi Keith,

 

On US 20 it is very likely that you'll get stuck behind RVers and such

 

west of Bend. To the east there are a few truckers but not many

 

tourists; most of them head north or south on US 97. OR 242 is almost

 

completely free of any vehicles larger than cars. It is a winding

 

road with lots of switchbacks on both sides of McKenzie Pass. If you

 

drive 242 you'll want to wear a good set of leathers; it's COLD up

 

there, even in the summer, but the views and the drive are well worth

 

it. OR 126 is fairly busy during the summer both east and west of

 

Eugene/Springfield; it's 55 mph most of the way. It's scenic but

 

flatter and less winding than 242. US 101 on the coast is jam-packed

 

during the summer. Have a good trip - I envy you riding a m/c all the

 

way from KC to Oregon.

 

Tim

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> Hi Everyone! My name is Trudi.

 

 

 

(SNIPP)

 

 

 

I love to travel by car; sometimes just for pleasure I look at maps and

 

> dream of the adventures under those little blue and red lines. I

 

> particularly enjoy the paths less followed. I'm glad to have found

 

> fellow travelers.

 

 

 

Hi Trudi,

 

 

 

I'm new to the groups also and welcome. Been a new member for about a

 

week and didn't know this many people loved the "old roads". Now I'm

 

beginning to wonder when I drive the roads, if the other people on them

 

are fellow travelers like me!

 

 

 

Charles

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Guest Darlene Petralia

Hi all,

 

 

 

We will be traveling to Valley Alabama Thanksgiving Weekend with a 29'

 

Travel Trailer. If anyone has any ideas of interesting and/or scenic

 

routes that are good side trips while hauling a trailer, we would

 

appreciate the information. We usually start out on I-88 West to

 

Binghamton and head south from there through PA. Would really like

 

some ideas in PA, that would avoid that

 

"forever and always under construction" part of I-81 from Binghamton to

 

Harrisburg.

 

 

 

We are new at this whole RV traveling, so nothing too difficult to

 

manage towing.

 

 

 

We will be coming back through Raleigh NC without the trailer, so some

 

good driving to avoid Richmond/DC/Baltimore or just DC/Baltimore could

 

work too.

 

 

 

TIA,

 

Darlene

 

 

 

Darlene Petralia

 

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Last Ozark Trails Marker Placed on National Register - August 13, 2004

 

 

 

SANTA FE -- The sole Ozark Trails marker in New Mexico? a 21-foot

 

tall concrete tapered shaft in the middle of an intersection in Lake

 

Arthur? was placed on the National Register of Historic Places, the

 

New Mexico Historic Preservation Division announced today.

 

 

 

The marker, a near obelisk except for its lack of a pyramid top, is

 

complete with a concrete base that bears the town?s name painted in

 

green on all four sides. From its flat top sprouts a large shepherd?s

 

crook streetlight. It sits in the center of the desolate intersection

 

of Main and Broadway streets in Lake Arthur, population 432, and is

 

one of seven such remaining highway markers in the United States.

 

 

 

One of many projects of entrepreneur William Hope Harvey, the Ozark

 

Trails promoted tourism and highway development across the Southwest,

 

and later influenced the course of Route 66 across Oklahoma, Texas and

 

New Mexico. The only surviving Ozark Trails marker in New Mexico, the

 

pyramid at Lake Arthur is a rare artifact of early highway development

 

in New Mexico.

 

 

 

The marker conforms to Ozark Trails Association standards established

 

by Harvey, which specified they be constructed of reinforced concrete

 

and of the approximate same height. Built at a cost of $250 each,

 

Harvey envisioned a string of dozens of the markers across the

 

country, but his plans were cut short because the markers were

 

conceived as posing a traffic hazard. A similar marker built in

 

Artesia was torn down after business owners circulated a petition in

 

1928 to have it removed. Another marker in Carlsbad met a similar

 

fate. The Lake Arthur monument ? far from the stream of steady highway

 

traffic ?remains largely unchanged and at its original site, although

 

curbing and gravel recently were added to protect the marker from

 

errant vehicles.

 

 

 

There is no indication of how many Ozark Trails markers were actually

 

constructed, but the remaining structures are well documented. Four

 

survive in Texas at Tulia, Wellington, Tampico and Dimmit, and two in

 

Oklahoma at Stroud and Langston. Each of these markers display some

 

wear, but are still landmarks of their communities.

 

 

 

Harvey first proposed a permanent marking of the trail at a 1918 Ozark

 

Trails convention in Miami, Oklahoma. He envisioned a string of dozens

 

of pyramids, stretching from Springfield, Missouri to Las Vegas, New

 

Mexico, with a 50-foot-tall obelisk at Romeroville outside Las Vegas,

 

designating the junction of the Ozark and the historic Santa Fe Trail.

 

The Ozark Trails markers would influence Harvey to design a colossal

 

concrete pyramid at his Monte Ne resort in Arkansas.

 

 

 

Though an idealistic promoter, Harvey felt civilization was doomed and

 

planned to construct a 130-foot tall obelisk with a 40 square-foot

 

base containing a time capsule of items demonstrating the

 

technological state of the time and writings that supported his

 

opinions of the cause of civilization?s failure.

 

 

 

Harvey predicted a cataclysmic event of earthquakes and volcanic

 

eruptions that would sink the pyramid, so he planned a plaque for its

 

top instructing future archaeologists to unearth the capsule.

 

Although the pyramid never was built, and the earth largely stood

 

still, his resort eventually was submerged during the 1960s

 

construction of the White River Dam.

 

 

 

The Ozark Trails, the mother of the Mother Road, played a critical

 

role in developing east-west highways and future U.S. 66. Today

 

evidence of the Ozark Trails is rare, and limited to a handful of

 

pre-Route 66 road segments and the seven concrete pyramids.

 

 

 

###

 

 

 

John W. Murphey

 

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oops, that should be Thanksgiving WEEK - not a trip I'd enjoy in a

 

weekend! We will have Sunday to Sunday.

 

 

 

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On Aug 1, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Darlene Petralia wrote:

 

 

 

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> We will be traveling to Valley Alabama Thanksgiving Weekend with a 29'

 

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> routes that are good side trips while hauling a trailer, we would

 

> appreciate the information.A A  We usually start out on I-88 West to

 

> Binghamton and head south from there through PA.A  Would really like

 

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> "forever and always under construction" part of I-81 from Binghamton

 

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> Harrisburg.

 

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> We are new at this whole RV traveling,A  so nothing too difficult to

 

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Are there any maps that members can recommend that feature the by-ways

 

and old cross country roads?

 

 

 

Okay, I'm done asking questions for awhile.

 

 

 

Thanks again,

 

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Ken and Mike,

 

 

 

Thanks for your comments on the bridge. Yes, it was built by the Rochester

 

Bridge Company and the plaque, though cracked, was still bolted to the beam. The

 

bridge was only used for local, rural traffic. There is a photo of it within the

 

opening pages of "Oklahoma Route 66" and also on page 92. It was added to the

 

Register just within the last year or so.

 

 

 

Jim Gabbert told me he was surprised at the news, since the county commissioners

 

actually requested a copy of the certificate when it went on the Register, as if

 

they were proud of it. Dawn Welch told me that the Sac & Fox Tribe has been

 

involved lately in replacing old bridges in the area. Gabbert says that

 

sometimes Indian tribes will provide funds (from gaming, not federal money) to

 

the counties for this purpose, since most counties don't have the money. I'm not

 

an engineer, so I can't say how safe or unsafe it was, but they could have at

 

least made an effort to let someone know in time to try to save it.

 

 

 

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I've got a suggestion that you might like south of

 

Harrisburg, Darlene. Use US 11 instead of I-81 in Maryland

 

and Virginia. And just south of Winchester, Skyline Drive

 

begins it's journey through Shenandoah National Park, too.

 

And hey, it never goes more than twenty or thirty miles

 

from the US 11 corridor. That sound good?

 

 

 

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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:40:48 -0400

 

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> Hi all,

 

>

 

> We will be traveling to Valley Alabama Thanksgiving

 

> Weekend with a 29'

 

> Travel Trailer. If anyone has any ideas of interesting

 

> and/or scenic

 

> routes that are good side trips while hauling a trailer,

 

> we would

 

> appreciate the information. We usually start out on

 

> I-88 West to

 

> Binghamton and head south from there through PA. Would

 

> really like

 

> some ideas in PA, that would avoid that

 

> "forever and always under construction" part of I-81 from

 

> Binghamton to

 

> Harrisburg.

 

>

 

> We are new at this whole RV traveling, so nothing too

 

> difficult to

 

> manage towing.

 

>

 

> We will be coming back through Raleigh NC without the

 

> trailer, so some

 

> good driving to avoid Richmond/DC/Baltimore or just

 

> DC/Baltimore could

 

> work too.

 

>

 

> TIA,

 

> Darlene

 

>

 

> Darlene Petralia

 

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"Rich Rheingold" <usroute20@msn.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:36:26 -0000

 

> From: "Rich Rheingold" <usroute20@msn.com>

 

> Subject: article yellowstone trail

 

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> I posted this to the photo's section hope you can read it. It is a

 

> scan of a newspaper article so it's not the clearest. If anyone

 

> wants me to e-mail it to them I can it's a little clearer to read.

 

 

 

Do you have a web link to this article from the newspaper itself? I

 

can't find a link on the Yahoo page to see the full resultion images of

 

those scans. I have been doing some off and on research into the YT

 

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If you need smaller maps of just one byway, some maps are

 

available at www.byways.org. It's the National Scenic By-

 

Ways website run by the Federal Highway Administration.

 

Definitely visit it before your trip on Thanksgiving week.

 

You do need the Adobe Acrobat Reader to read many of the

 

maps....visit www.adobe.com to get the Reader, and it's

 

free.

 

 

 

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It was really interesting to see the post from Darlene Petralia, who is an

 

artist and a Cavalier King Charles breeder and exhibitor. I, too, am an

 

artist and a dog breeder/exhibitor and judge! I do a lot of traveling,

 

mostly flying out on weekends to judge dog shows and flying straight back

 

again, but sometimes my husband or a good friend can travel with me and we

 

do a little exploring along the way. My husband, Jim, and I have done

 

several cross country trips in our van or car. We had a motor home, but

 

that was before I was doing much judging and it was used mostly to attend

 

dog shows. I have just subscribed to the AR magazine and look forward to

 

getting my first copy and also to the suggestions of great backroads we can

 

meander on our trips across this great land.

 

 

 

 

 

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This is good, lol, now I am replying to my own post. Anyhow, another

 

note on the Durango/Four Corners Area. The highway from Monticello

 

Utah to Cortez Colorado was only recently designated US Hwy 491. It

 

was changed from US Hwy 666 because of the many ways people take the

 

number 666 to mean "evil". US Hwy 491 is a beautiful route across the

 

bean fields of southern Colorado. There are a couple of great

 

turnouts to 1) Hovenweep National Monument and 2) Lowry Ruins. Both

 

sites have Indian (or Native American, you choose) ancient living

 

areas that are worthy of anybody's time.

 

 

 

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Well, that is a downer, and it was not on what would be called a heavily

 

travelled road, so what necessitated this? There are country bridges in

 

Southeast Missouri that make that bridge look like a major improvement

 

(travel/safety wise)...Tsingtao, Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

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To: "Michael Wallis" <wallis66@aol.com>; "Kathy Anderson"

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:50 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Bridge Destruction

 

 

 

 

 

> Howdy Folks,

 

>

 

> I learned from Dawn Welch at the Rock Cafe yesterday that the historic

 

bridge on Dosie Creek near Davenport, Oklahoma has been demolished. This is

 

a significant loss to landmark structures associated directly with the

 

roadbed.This 1909 Warren Pony Truss bridge was (to my knowledge) the oldest

 

existing bridge still in use anywhere on Route 66. It was recently listed on

 

the National Register as part of a multiple property listing that also

 

included the roadway it was on (original 66 alignment never paved) and the

 

old Ozark Trails obelisk nearby.

 

>

 

> Today I made a call to Jim Gabbert at the Oklahoma SHPO, who knew nothing

 

of the bridge's removal. It is not clear whether the county (property owner)

 

took the bridge out using only non-federal funds or if they had assistance

 

from the Sac & Fox Indian tribe located nearby. In any case, the SHPO was

 

not notified of the project, which is automatic when federal jurisdiction is

 

involved.

 

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I having trouble placing this bridge. Jim, is it on the south side of

 

newer 66, near the tavern?

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Tulsa, OK

 

 

 

>

 

> Thanks for your comments on the bridge. Yes, it was built by the

 

Rochester Bridge Company and the plaque, though cracked, was still

 

bolted to the beam. The bridge was only used for local, rural

 

traffic. There is a photo of it within the opening pages of "Oklahoma

 

Route 66" and also on page 92. It was added to the Register just

 

within the last year or so.

 

>

 

> Jim Gabbert told me he was surprised at the news, since the county

 

commissioners actually requested a copy of the certificate when it

 

went on the Register, as if they were proud of it. Dawn Welch told me

 

that the Sac & Fox Tribe has been involved lately in replacing old

 

bridges in the area. Gabbert says that sometimes Indian tribes will

 

provide funds (from gaming, not federal money) to the counties for

 

this purpose, since most counties don't have the money. I'm not an

 

engineer, so I can't say how safe or unsafe it was, but they could

 

have at least made an effort to let someone know in time to try to

 

save it.

 

>

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> Many, many thanks to the staff at American Road -

 

> and to the other roadies, especially those with

 

> pictures and tales of old 66. While, over 50 years

 

> since my good friend and I drove it, things on Rt 66

 

> have changed beyond my memory to recognize I do get a

 

> glimmer now and again.

 

 

 

Someday I hope to do a real road trip along 66. Last year my

 

husband and I spent time in Scottsdale AZ, and took an overnight

 

trip up to see the Grand Canyon. We drove to a small town called

 

Williams I believe, but we arrived at night so didn't see much of

 

the surroundings. The next afternoon, we needed to pick up

 

something at the grocery store, and I nearly passed out when I saw

 

that the store, which was one block over from the hotel we stayed

 

in, was on Route 66!!!!

 

 

 

To date, that's the extent of my travels on it.

 

 

 

This weekend, I attended a quilt convention in Hershey, PA. There

 

are classes, exhibits and vendors at these conventions...and among

 

other goodies, I happened upon a yard of Route 66 fabric!!!! I was

 

in heaven!

 

 

 

Rita

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Please forward to your sculptor / public art friends....

 

 

 

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Subject: NM public ART project

 

 

 

PRESS RELEASE

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

Contact: Joy Poole, NM State Monuments

 

September 24, 2003

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cultural Corridors: Public Art on Scenic Highways

 

 

 

New Mexico State Monuments and the Camino Real International Heritage

 

Center announce a Competition for the Commission of an Artwork

 

for the Historic El Camino Real.

 

 

 

DEADLINE for Submission: December 1, 2003

 

PROSPECTUS available: www.nm.blm.gov

 

 

 

The Artwork Selection Committee seeks to commission a U.S. artist

 

To create a towering, welcoming landmark. The artwork could reflect

 

American Indian and Hispanic cultures, Hispanic and Anglo traders, or

 

celebrate el Camino Real - at one time the longest south to north

 

international trail Of commerce. The artwork site is 35 miles south of

 

Socorro, NM near the junction of NM Highway 1 and the entrance road to El

 

Camino Real International Heritage Center. The project amount is $101,000

 

and includescosts for design, construction, insurance and taxes.

 

 

 

A complete prospectus can be downloaded from www.nm.blm.gov contact

 

Joy Poole at 505-854-3600 or cell phone 505-310-0105.

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