Guest John W Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 any time you enter the intersection on green, I would think you should have the legal right to exit the intersection without backing up.--just my thought, i'm not a judge. john w --- Harmon <harmon@mvn.net> wrote: > In IL when you are making a left turn and are within > the intersection when the light turns yellow, it is > legal to conclude your turn when the light turns to > red and it's safe to do so. Is IL unique, or is > that the case elsewhere (like ABQ), too? > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John W Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Wow--Is this turning into a "one-up" type of post to try to describe the most gruesome? Try fire, or airplane crash--or the recent "be-headings" posted from the barbaric countries--who needs it!! I'll be back when we get back to enjoying our great country and its great roads! I, too, have been witness to slaughter but don't feel the need to ease my pain by describing it to others. John w --- ken <stokerk@ticon.net> wrote: > Group, > > Well,........I use to drive long haul years ago. I > do agree that with anyone caught while under the > influence should get their vehicles > impounded/confiscated! > > But there are those times at light signals where the > light changes so fast that you just may have to make > a quick decision on whether or not to keep going > through the signal. I always try to be prepared for > this to happen, But sometimes you just have to keep > going when you get to the "point of no return" for > safety's sake! > > I can see though that if it were a clearly > intentional type of red light running. Then by all > means it's time to impound or what ever action is > necesary! It just may be one of us that gets our > very own lives taken by someone running a red light > well after it has changed! > > Also just a little of my encounter input; Being on > the road I have been to countless fatal accidents. > > The one that stands out the most in my memory was on > Easter Sunday morning 1990 or 1991.(the year is a > little foggy in my mind, but the day is hard to > forget) > I was going from Milwaukee Wi. to the Los Angeles > Ca. area with a load of equipment & supplies. > There were 7 trucks in our group rolling southbound > at roughly 7 am Mountain Time Zone together > chatting on the CB radio. > We were on I-15 in Utah about a hundred miles or so > south of Salt Lake City UT.. > I always had a mounted Scanner in my rig so I could > get the weather etc. so I could make a decision > while enroute whether to change my routing to avoid > serious snow storms, bad weather & or to learn of > any road closings due to accidents shutting down the > roadway ahead! In fact we all had them. Also > listening in to aircraft was nice to pass the time > rolling through the mountains. > > Well anyways, As we were rolling along we heard a > conversation between an officer & dispatcher. Then > we came upon the accident scene that was being > broadcasted. The car was a big blue 4 door laying on > its side in the middle of the interstate lanes of > travel. A drunk driver was going the wrong way in > the northbound lanes. They had colided head on. They > were on their way to Grandmothers house for Easter > Sunday. > Well as we listened in we could hear children crying > in the background, The officer was weeping too & > mentioned that they were headed to Grandmothers > house for Easter Sunday & he said that he didn't > know what to tell the children, The dispatcher was > at a loss too! ..............Just what do you say to > someone who just lost their "MOTHER" due to some > jackass! who had a few too many! Especially on a day > such as this! > > I've been to many fatal red light running & under > the influence accident scenes! > > Maybe if some of you out there were to see people > with missing heads, limbs,& very badly mutalated > bodies like I have seen in my travels. You'd > probably change your mind about many law issues! > > Sometimes I don't know how the law enforcement > officers do it due to selfish sensless acts > mentioned! > > Just wanted to add my view about the issue so I'll > just leave it at that! > > I'm glad to see posts from both sides of this issue! > Conversation Right? No Flames intended on my part! > > Thanks again for a very good site! > > Be Safe & "Happy Trails" > > Ken, Wisconsin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Milana Wells > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to > Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico > > > I might just add that I've spent a lot of time in > Albuquerque and the rest of New Mexico, and I've > never had trouble trouble with the traffic > authorities. > > But then, I don't drive when under the influence, > and I don't run red lights. > > It just broke my heart a few years ago when I > sweet young woman I knew, a person everyone who knew > her loved, was killed by a drunken driver. He was > driving in the wrong lane on a road with a divider, > and hit her car headon. (And he was an illegal > alien, too). > > New Mexico has good reason to be strict about > traffic regulations. (And I'm not advocating > unconstitutional measures -- but New York City was > confiscating accused DUI drivers' cars, on Mayor > Rudi Giuliani's orders). > > > > > > > > Fred Moore <texasfred@yahoo.com> wrote: > To those who are worried: > Worry no more a State Judge ruled the > impounding as > unconsttutinal so the law will not be able to take > your vehicle. Just trying to keep you up to date. > Former New Mexico Resident and soon to return for > the > Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque > > Fred Moore > PS: > Love this group > > --- "David G. Clark" > <dave@windycityroadwarrior.com> > wrote: > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, > "milana_wells" > > <milana_wells@y...> wrote: > > > Both DWI and running red lights KILL innocent > > people. > > > > > > New Mexico has one of the worst DWI problems > in > > the nation. They > > > have a reason to be strict. > > > > > > > STRICT is one thing--there is nothing wrong with > > strict enforcement > > and strong prosecution of DWI and red light > laws. > > > > But impounding cars without due process goes > beyond > > STRICT. This > > ventures into the area of POLICE STATE. Let's > all go > > back to the U.S. > > Constitution and remember why the founders > thought > > that separation of > > powers was a good idea. The Police, who arrest > > suspects, serve an > > executive/administrative function. The Courts, > who > > judge the evidence > > concerning arrested suspects, serve the judicial > > function. Let's keep > > it that way! > > > > Dave Clark > > Windy City Road Warrior > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Guest Alex Burr Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 As long as politicians, law makers, lawyers, etc, drink the drunk driving laws will continue to be lax. Hudsonly, Alex B --- ken <stokerk@ticon.net> wrote: > Group, > > Well,........I use to drive long haul years ago. I > do agree that with anyone caught while under the > influence should get their vehicles > impounded/confiscated! > > But there are those times at light signals where the > light changes so fast that you just may have to make > a quick decision on whether or not to keep going > through the signal. I always try to be prepared for > this to happen, But sometimes you just have to keep > going when you get to the "point of no return" for > safety's sake! > > I can see though that if it were a clearly > intentional type of red light running. Then by all > means it's time to impound or what ever action is > necesary! It just may be one of us that gets our > very own lives taken by someone running a red light > well after it has changed! > > Also just a little of my encounter input; Being on > the road I have been to countless fatal accidents. > > The one that stands out the most in my memory was on > Easter Sunday morning 1990 or 1991.(the year is a > little foggy in my mind, but the day is hard to > forget) > I was going from Milwaukee Wi. to the Los Angeles > Ca. area with a load of equipment & supplies. > There were 7 trucks in our group rolling southbound > at roughly 7 am Mountain Time Zone together > chatting on the CB radio. > We were on I-15 in Utah about a hundred miles or so > south of Salt Lake City UT.. > I always had a mounted Scanner in my rig so I could > get the weather etc. so I could make a decision > while enroute whether to change my routing to avoid > serious snow storms, bad weather & or to learn of > any road closings due to accidents shutting down the > roadway ahead! In fact we all had them. Also > listening in to aircraft was nice to pass the time > rolling through the mountains. > > Well anyways, As we were rolling along we heard a > conversation between an officer & dispatcher. Then > we came upon the accident scene that was being > broadcasted. The car was a big blue 4 door laying on > its side in the middle of the interstate lanes of > travel. A drunk driver was going the wrong way in > the northbound lanes. They had colided head on. They > were on their way to Grandmothers house for Easter > Sunday. > Well as we listened in we could hear children crying > in the background, The officer was weeping too & > mentioned that they were headed to Grandmothers > house for Easter Sunday & he said that he didn't > know what to tell the children, The dispatcher was > at a loss too! ..............Just what do you say to > someone who just lost their "MOTHER" due to some > jackass! who had a few too many! Especially on a day > such as this! > > I've been to many fatal red light running & under > the influence accident scenes! > > Maybe if some of you out there were to see people > with missing heads, limbs,& very badly mutalated > bodies like I have seen in my travels. You'd > probably change your mind about many law issues! > > Sometimes I don't know how the law enforcement > officers do it due to selfish sensless acts > mentioned! > > Just wanted to add my view about the issue so I'll > just leave it at that! > > I'm glad to see posts from both sides of this issue! > Conversation Right? No Flames intended on my part! > > Thanks again for a very good site! > > Be Safe & "Happy Trails" > > Ken, Wisconsin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Milana Wells > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to > Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico > > > I might just add that I've spent a lot of time in > Albuquerque and the rest of New Mexico, and I've > never had trouble trouble with the traffic > authorities. > > But then, I don't drive when under the influence, > and I don't run red lights. > > It just broke my heart a few years ago when I > sweet young woman I knew, a person everyone who knew > her loved, was killed by a drunken driver. He was > driving in the wrong lane on a road with a divider, > and hit her car headon. (And he was an illegal > alien, too). > > New Mexico has good reason to be strict about > traffic regulations. (And I'm not advocating > unconstitutional measures -- but New York City was > confiscating accused DUI drivers' cars, on Mayor > Rudi Giuliani's orders). > > > > > > > > Fred Moore <texasfred@yahoo.com> wrote: > To those who are worried: > Worry no more a State Judge ruled the > impounding as > unconsttutinal so the law will not be able to take > your vehicle. Just trying to keep you up to date. > Former New Mexico Resident and soon to return for > the > Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque > > Fred Moore > PS: > Love this group > > --- "David G. Clark" > <dave@windycityroadwarrior.com> > wrote: > > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, > "milana_wells" > > <milana_wells@y...> wrote: > > > Both DWI and running red lights KILL innocent > > people. > > > > > > New Mexico has one of the worst DWI problems > in > > the nation. They > > > have a reason to be strict. > > > > > > > STRICT is one thing--there is nothing wrong with > > strict enforcement > > and strong prosecution of DWI and red light > laws. > > > > But impounding cars without due process goes > beyond > > STRICT. This > > ventures into the area of POLICE STATE. Let's > all go > > back to the U.S. > > Constitution and remember why the founders > thought > > that separation of > > powers was a good idea. The Police, who arrest > > suspects, serve an > > executive/administrative function. The Courts, > who > > judge the evidence > > concerning arrested suspects, serve the judicial > > function. Let's keep > > it that way! > > > > Dave Clark > > Windy City Road Warrior > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > Visit our homepage at: > http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE > TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box > 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > === message truncated === A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Reynolds Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just a note to let y'all know about a TV show that Susan and I found on RFDTV. It's called "Two Lane Traveler" and has to do with special spots in the state of Georgia, some of them out of the way, some, like Rock City and Stone Mountain, quite well known. The episode we watched featured some little known museums, such as the granite museum in Elberton, a telephone museum in Leslie, and a fire fighting museum in Woodbine. They also mentioned a small airfield outside of Americus where Charles Lindburgh began his first solo flight. This brings up a question. If the Mother road doesn't have her own TV show (and I'm not counting the show from the 50's:), why not? For more info, here's the show's web addy... http://www.twolanetraveller.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ken Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well John,.......If that's what you want to call it! So be it! Reality sucks at times Huh? Sounds like I struck a nerve here? Have a good day! Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico Wow--Is this turning into a "one-up" type of post to try to describe the most gruesome? Try fire, or airplane crash--or the recent "be-headings" posted from the barbaric countries--who needs it!! I'll be back when we get back to enjoying our great country and its great roads! I, too, have been witness to slaughter but don't feel the need to ease my pain by describing it to others. John w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ken stoker Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Yeah, I do think you are correct on that one! Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Burr To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico As long as politicians, law makers, lawyers, etc, drink the drunk driving laws will continue to be lax. Hudsonly, Alex B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John W Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Like I said, if that is what you need to make your life better, so be it. Reality doesn't suck, using that logic, you could just say it was helping to keep the population down. Didn't strike a nerve with me, just seems kind an immature way to pass the time. Too many good sites that stay on track and don't get personal. This all started because someone thought their opinion of our constitution was important to this group, rather than what the name implies "American Road." Nuff said. john w --- ken <stokerk@ticon.net> wrote: > Well John,.......If that's what you want to call it! > So be it! > > Reality sucks at times Huh? Sounds like I struck a > nerve here? > > Have a good day! > > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John W > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to > Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico > > > Wow--Is this turning into a "one-up" type of post > to > try to describe the most gruesome? Try fire, or > airplane crash--or the recent "be-headings" posted > from the barbaric countries--who needs it!! I'll > be > back when we get back to enjoying our great > country > and its great roads! I, too, have been witness to > slaughter but don't feel the need to ease my pain > by > describing it to others. John w > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ken Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Oh OK,................Have a good one John! Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: An open letter to Mayor Chavez of Albuquerque, New Mexico Like I said, if that is what you need to make your life better, so be it. Reality doesn't suck, using that logic, you could just say it was helping to keep the population down. Didn't strike a nerve with me, just seems kind an immature way to pass the time. Too many good sites that stay on track and don't get personal. This all started because someone thought their opinion of our constitution was important to this group, rather than what the name implies "American Road." Nuff said. john w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Hi all...The time's come to put this thread to bed. It's been going on for nine days now and has morphed into something not pertaining to the purpose of our group: Two lane highways and the things to see on their shoulders. Let's try to keep our focus of the "attitude" we want our list to have. If you feel the need to keep this thread going, I'd suggest you head over to the "route66news" Yahoo Group. From what I hear, no one monitors that list and it apparently has its share of opinions flying around daily. And this seems to be a good time to post our Speed Limits. Enjoy! Because personal views often differ, please familiarize yourself with our SPEED LIMITS, which set boundaries and explain the atmosphere we hope to maintain. -New members will be approved and moderated for a short time until a history of appropriate posts is established. We welcome new members; unfortunately, we've started this policy to protect the group and prevent spam. -NO FLAMING! Flaming is any derogatory or insulting remark directed at another list member. This doesn't necessarily include comments critical of persons outside the list, however, such as actions by those who would destroy roadside landmarks. Remember, the list isn't a battleground for personal arguments. Acts of flaming will generate a reminder. Continued infractions will result in banishment. -Keep your posts on topic. Off-topic posts should be sparing and labeled OFF-TOPIC. -No profanity & off-color jokes. -Kindly keep posts road-related and aimed at the group in general rather than one person. Private email should be used for one-on-one chat. -Computers have made us lazy but we ask that you please make a real effort to only include parts of a prior message pertinent to your response. Simply hitting "reply" wastes space and forces everyone to scroll through threads that may get long. TO POST A NOTE: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: -go to www.yahoogroups.com, or -email to AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop us a line! AMERICAN ROAD list hosts, Pat & Jennifer Bremer AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John W Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just had to make group aware: On a quick run up to Tehachapi, Ca. Thurs eve., I found a great place to eat and a good reason to return for further exploration of the entire area. Restaurant called 'Mountain Pass' restaurant--fairly new owners--great people and great, affordable food. Worth the trip that way instead of down the 'grapevine'. It is near motels, some that date back a ways but never-the-less clean looking, on Tehachapi Blvd. More info after a later trip, I promise. ipilot66 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Dave here again, So how was a freeway trip to Tacoma pure delight? Last week I caught the Seattle Express at sunset in downtown Seattle and settled into the first crossways seat on the right, just behind the sideways seats over the front wheels. This gives the best view of the road ahead. Lots to look at through downtown and south through the industrial zone past the Seahawks stadium and the Mariners ballpark, the last leg through the city is on Busway which is dedicated to transit along what was once only a rail alignment. So this means you go by the backs of industrial buildings. This is also the Bus Way Art Corridor with dozens of murals to combat taggers and brighten up what to most is a drab landscape. Entering I-5, dusk was falling, the Olympic range to the west was profiled against a cloudless wash of color fading from pink into blue into indigo. The I-5 freeway rises on a sidehill above the Duwamish valley which gives a territorial view, much more than down on the flats on Old 99. Traffic was thick but moving at the speed limit and the continuous streams of red and white lights made a beautiful sinous pattern tracing the alignment up and down, curving and straightening out. I have traveled this road hundreds of times since it was completed in the late 60s so there are plenty of landmarks to check in with. Boeing Field has the Museum of Flight with the first 747 and other historical aircraft. There are AWACs planes parked outside the hangars which have huge red and white checkerboard patterns for visibility. If I take the trouble to look I can see the two thirty foot steel spheres that was the first Boeing wind tunnel outside the model shop on former US99, these have been highway icons for me as long as I can remember, I didn't find out what they were until I was in my twenties. To spot the tanks from clear across the valley connects me back to those older times on 99. Anyone who knows how the various Boeing airplanes affected history will realize the signifigance of this site. (Detour here, the other main icon on this stretch of 99 was the Hat n' Boots gas station which is just what it sounds like, a gigantic cowboy hat and two cowboy boots. After years of being in limbo behind chainlink fence they were recently rescued and moved to a nearby park, this shows how roadside icons are important to the general public who are mostly not 'roadies' per se.) A few miles south the road makes almost a ninety degree bend over the Green River ('that' Green River) on what was at the time of construction the largest curved orthagonal steel box bridge in the world but you would never know it. The only reason I know that is from going through library stacks looking at old state highway department journals in the late 70s. Mount Rainier was visible off and on depending on the direction of the alignment and later on a constant presence on the SE horizon. That thing is BIG and if you have not lived near a stratovolcano such as Rainier or Shasta there is no way to describe it. (Those who grew up here just call it The Mountain and everyone knows what you mean even though we have plenty of other mountains on the E and W horizons. In the winter when the leaves are gone I can see three other volcanoes out of my kitchen windows.) The terrain is rolling being a moraine from the last ice age so the road goes straight mostly in the river valleys, otherwise lots of hills and curves which makes it fun to look at. Sitting higher up in the bus allows a good view of traffic, you could make a survey of driving styles behind the wheel. The one hand on top method seems to be prevalent and the classic professional ten to two is in the minority. It's fun looking across to the truckers at the same level. When you reach Pierce County things get real interesting, the county line is obvious since the pavement goes from cement to blacktop. Here is a very large color video sign the size of a large billboard, it's like having Paul Bunyans' TV in the sky, it was controversial at first and still could be considered distracting. Soon the freeway makes a huge bend from S to E, it's like riding the rim of a big bowl and it just goes on and on. This is where the roadside commerce builds up, old 99 is on the inside of the bend and has an equally impressive banked bowl effect to it. First you see the RV and used truck lots, then it's a constant stream of auto dealers, franchise outlets, travel inns, more dealers, etc. lots of bright signage it's all on a big scale. This all got built up since the Reagan years, until then the cement pavement of The Pacific Highway on the S side of I-5 had grass shoulders, now it's blacktop, car dealers and warehouses, on the N side of I-5 Old 99 which never really fell out of use is busier than ever. This stretch due W is the longest straightaway or tangent on the trip, several miles long. Then comes a big sweep over the Puyallup river bridge, a good view of the US99 bridge and several RR bridges with downtown Tacoma on the W skyline, then up a long grade (Caution, Slow Moving Vehicles) past The Tacoma Dome, once the largest wood dome in the world. The parking lot next to the dome will soon be site of the LeMay Museum housing part of the worlds' largest private automobile collection of thousands of ordinary and not-so-ordinary cars obtained from a fortune built on collecting garbage. The grade has a panoramic view compared with the intimate drive down a treelined gulch on parallel Old 99, here known as Wakefield way. Now we're up on a viaduct with a chance of a quick glimpse (if you know where to look) of 'world famous' Bob's Java Jive, one of the prime examples of figural architecture, a huge two-story coffeepot from the late 20s on Old 99, again one of my landmarks for as long as I remember. This viaduct (we are on WA SR 16 now) affords a great view as it crosses South Tacoma Way, former fourlane US99, you see it curving off into the distance miles down the road, a view you will never get when you drive on it. All this is to point out why for me a trip on the freeway can be pure delight with the sights to see and the sense of moving through space. I have been wondering lately if there might be some huge bends of the interstate on those three digit routes that go around instead of through midwestern cities like the one around Indianapolis that Dave Letterman tried to get named for him. A look at the highway atlas shows some ninety degree beltway bends which is why I wonder. Is it easy to lose ones sense of direction on these with no landscape cues? I also wonder if (depending on the zoning) there might be lots of roadside commerce to see from those three digit freeways. Those bends are so big that when you are in the middle of them all you can see is curving road in both directions on a vast scale, big sweeping curves on the two-lane roads can give this effect too, a feeling of being in the middle of something really big. This feeling of large scale is something the freeways are good at. I-90 E of Billings Montana is like a gigantic rollercoaster the way it wraps itself over the landscape. Thanks for reading all this, I hope you enjoyed a description of a freeway trip in The Evergreen State...make that western Washington, eastern Washington is way way different. PS While editing the above the part about the viaduct view got me wondering if any roadies ever take to the air (as in a small plane perhaps) to view the old roads. I once read that the old Santa Fe Trail of the cattle drives was rediscovered from the air in the 1930s. Online satellite photos (and maps) are interesting and helpful too, how about some feedback on your favorite sites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 More good ideas. The airplane station hadn't occurred to me although I was vaguely aware that it was in the Knoxville neighborhood. We'll see how things work out. Thanks, Denny -----Original Message----- From: Roustabout [mailto:roustabout@starband.net] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 5:47 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Georgia Road Ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Georgia Road Ideas? > > Looks like I'll be north east of Atlanta (Royston) next week and MAY have > some drive time. At least, a semi-leisurely drive back to Cincinnati. US-25 > passes near by so that is a possibility but wondered what other ideas list > members might have. Either a neat path that leads toward Cincy or local cool > sights on roads that lead no where in particular. > > --Denny > If you have time enough for some mountain driving, you could take US 19 north of Atlanta up to Cherokee, N. C. Then US 441 across the Smokies to Knoxiousville. Pick up 25 W (Clinton Highway) and it will take you right by the airplane gas station. BabyBoomerBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Worley Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 That's Right Folks! The stars are night are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas! Texas' newest drive-in movie theatre, the 3-screen Galaxy Drive-in near Ennis, Texas, has announced its opening date: This Friday, December 17, 2004 !! All three fields are ready with authentic vintage car speakers, freshly refurbished and painted for your listening pleasure. Return to the nostalgic days of real metal speakers hanging in your car window, or enjoy the modern convenience of listening to the movies over your vehicle's FM radio with DTS surround sound! The snack bar is open for business, serving up delicious snacks including hamburgers, cheeseburgers, hot dogs, corny dogs, french fries, nachos, popcorn, candies, soft drinks and more! Screen #1 will open with a double-feature of "The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie" followed by Jim Carrey in "Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events". Screen #2 will feature "Christmas with the Kranks" and "Polar Express". Also starting Christmas night, December 25th will be "Fat Albert". Screen #3 will then open in a few weeks with two more features! For the newest pictures go directly to: http://www.galaxydriveintheatre.com/gallery/build?page=6 The Galaxy Drive-in is located on I-45 just north of Ennis, Texas at exit 255. Bring the whole family out for a night at the movies under the stars! www.galaxydriveintheatre.com . --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest egyptianzipper@aol.com Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 In a message dated 12/12/04 8:22:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, denny@dennygibson.com writes: With the road twisting and turning the way it does, I usually couldn't even guess which way a river was supposed to be running:-) ==================================================================== Here's how it happened: I was going downhill on the highway. So was the river. However, it appeared to be flowing downhill TOWARD me rather than in the same direction. I let the car coast a minute to prove to myself that I was indeed going downhill. Tom Hoffman Pearisburg VA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Valli Hoski Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 You could try US-30 west through Pennsylvania. Or take US-50 west from Ocean City, across the Cheseapeake Bay to points west. Valli Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:59:36 -0000 From: "vikram_h2" <vikram_h2@yahoo.co.in> Subject: suggestions for winter drive Hello all, Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at College park, Maryland. I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the kind of places that could be visited in this part of the country during the winter break. 1. Not more than 8 hours drive. 2. Group of 6 travelling. 3. Not much money need be spent. 4. Game for any kind of topography. Appreciate it, Cheers, Vikram Valli Hoski GT-PFRC digest only: vallihoski@yahoo.com Ham radio only: N8QVT@arrl.net Direct email address: valli@myfastmail.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I do NOT think I would want to chance U S 30 west of Chambersburg in the winter time - nor U S 50 west of Maryland thru WV. Mountain country and the roads out there go in two directions - straight up, or straight down. Hudsonly, Alex B --- Valli Hoski <vallihoski@yahoo.com> wrote: > You could try US-30 west through Pennsylvania. > Or take US-50 west from Ocean City, across the > Cheseapeake Bay to points west. > Valli > > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:59:36 -0000 > From: "vikram_h2" <vikram_h2@yahoo.co.in> > Subject: suggestions for winter drive > > Hello all, > > Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at > College park, Maryland. > I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the > kind of places that > could be visited in this part of the country during > the winter break. > > 1. Not more than 8 hours drive. > 2. Group of 6 travelling. > 3. Not much money need be spent. > 4. Game for any kind of topography. > > Appreciate it, > > Cheers, > Vikram > > > > Valli Hoski > GT-PFRC digest only: vallihoski@yahoo.com > Ham radio only: N8QVT@arrl.net > Direct email address: valli@myfastmail.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dorothy Thompson Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Is College Park near Salisbury, Maryland? If so, I live nearby. I would suggest the Eastern Shore of Virginia. Go down 50 until you hit Rt#13 and follow that south. It's dead this time of year, but if you are into wildlife and birds, visit Chincoteague and Assateague Island. Beautiful country. Wild ponies roam the streets and you often have to stop the car and let them by. Pretty friendly, though. Dorothy --- Valli Hoski <vallihoski@yahoo.com> wrote: > You could try US-30 west through Pennsylvania. > Or take US-50 west from Ocean City, across the > Cheseapeake Bay to points west. > Valli > > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:59:36 -0000 > From: "vikram_h2" <vikram_h2@yahoo.co.in> > Subject: suggestions for winter drive > > Hello all, > > Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at > College park, Maryland. > I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the > kind of places that > could be visited in this part of the country during > the winter break. > > 1. Not more than 8 hours drive. > 2. Group of 6 travelling. > 3. Not much money need be spent. > 4. Game for any kind of topography. > > Appreciate it, > > Cheers, > Vikram > > > Dorothy Thompson ROMANCING THE SOUL Do you believe in soul mates? http://www.dorothythompson.net http://www.overthehillchick.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lonehichillbilly@aol.com Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hello all, I'm glad to see that someone is keeping Drive-In's alive. Until recently, I lived within one mile of the Bel-Aire Drive-In, in Walkertown, N.C. My daughter-in-law's Grandparents were half owners of it. They had to close a couple of years ago, because of health reasons etc. I understand that they sold a lot of their equipment, and most of the speakers etc, to the Galaxy, opening up in Texas. I'm glad more people will get to enjoy all the equipment they bought from other places that closed down. I think that once all the drive-in's are closed, we will have lost a very important part of our history. I know I'm always up for going to the Drive-In. I hope my grand children will be able to see what it's like too. Jim N. Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 This seems like it might be just the situation the word "anachronism" was created for. Who could have guessed that the internet would be used to spread word around the world of the opening of a brand new drive-in theater. That's pretty cool! --Denny -----Original Message----- From: Bob Worley [mailto:bwcobra15@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:06 AM To: American_Road Yahoogroup Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Galaxy Drive-in opens this Friday That's Right Folks! The stars are night are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas! Texas' newest drive-in movie theatre, the 3-screen Galaxy Drive-in near Ennis, Texas, has announced its opening date: This Friday, December 17, 2004 !! All three fields are ready with authentic vintage car speakers, freshly refurbished and painted for your listening pleasure. Return to the nostalgic days of real metal speakers hanging in your car window, or enjoy the modern convenience of listening to the movies over your vehicle's FM radio with DTS surround sound! The snack bar is open for business, serving up delicious snacks including hamburgers, cheeseburgers, hot dogs, corny dogs, french fries, nachos, popcorn, candies, soft drinks and more! Screen #1 will open with a double-feature of "The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie" followed by Jim Carrey in "Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events". Screen #2 will feature "Christmas with the Kranks" and "Polar Express". Also starting Christmas night, December 25th will be "Fat Albert". Screen #3 will then open in a few weeks with two more features! For the newest pictures go directly to: http://www.galaxydriveintheatre.com/gallery/build?page=6 The Galaxy Drive-in is located on I-45 just north of Ennis, Texas at exit 255. Bring the whole family out for a night at the movies under the stars! www.galaxydriveintheatre.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vikram_h2 Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I guess salisbury is on the other side of the bay. Definitely into wildlife and scenic spots. Thanks for the suggestions ppl. Vikram --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Dorothy Thompson <thewriterslife@y...> wrote: > > Is College Park near Salisbury, Maryland? If so, I live nearby. I would suggest the Eastern Shore of Virginia. Go down 50 until you hit Rt#13 and follow that south. It's dead this time of year, but if you are into wildlife and birds, visit Chincoteague and Assateague Island. Beautiful country. Wild ponies roam the streets and you often have to stop the car and let them by. Pretty friendly, though. > > Dorothy > > > --- Valli Hoski <vallihoski@y...> wrote: > > > You could try US-30 west through Pennsylvania. > > Or take US-50 west from Ocean City, across the > > Cheseapeake Bay to points west. > > Valli > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:59:36 -0000 > > From: "vikram_h2" <vikram_h2@y...> > > Subject: suggestions for winter drive > > > > Hello all, > > > > Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at > > College park, Maryland. > > I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the > > kind of places that > > could be visited in this part of the country during > > the winter break. > > > > 1. Not more than 8 hours drive. > > 2. Group of 6 travelling. > > 3. Not much money need be spent. > > 4. Game for any kind of topography. > > > > Appreciate it, > > > > Cheers, > > Vikram > > > > > > > > > > Dorothy Thompson > ROMANCING THE SOUL > Do you believe in soul mates? > http://www.dorothythompson.net > http://www.overthehillchick.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 It's back - your Lincoln Highway Updates. Historic Hazen - The Hazen Market has been added to Nevada's Register of Historic Places from the Lahontan Valley News: http://xrl.us/ec7o from the Reno-Gazette Journal, RGJ.com: http://xrl.us/ec7p An article about the Arch Museum off I-80 in Kearney, NE: 'How the heck do you get there?' http://xrl.us/ec7q LHA member P. Louis DeRose has a new book out on Arcadia's Image of America Series on Greensburg, PA: http://xrl.us/ec7r http://xrl.us/ec7s Greensburg Art Center Holiday Sale includes a LH painting of the Kliment Bldg on Ardmore Blvd - the Studebaker Dealer: http://xrl.us/ec7u PA's LH Corridor Project just keeps rollin' along with the Mural Project, from Pittsburgh Live.com: http://xrl.us/ec7w & the PA LH Corridor gets a state grant for three projects, courtesy of PR Newswire: http://xrl.us/ec7x VanWert's Cinema on the LH reopens after the 2002 tornado disaster: http://xrl.us/ec7y The same owner's have the famous Van-Del Drive-in on the LH between VanWert and Delphos with a great sign proclaiming that it's the "swingingest"! Denny Gibson took a road trip on the PA's LH Corridor and chronicles it at his website with plenty of photos - check it out at: http://www.dennygibson.com/lhhc04 Jason Daub's dream of opening a bookstore is realized on the LH in Nevada, IA: http://xrl.us/ec75 A CA LH placename you don't often hear of - Cilpper Gap, from the Auburn Journal: http://xrl.us/ec78 Thursday, Oct. 21, 2004 the York LH Garage is no more: http://xrl.us/ec8a Strangely the building had two sets of large plastic letters spelling out Lincoln Highway in red and blue that no one thought to try to save. Someone picked some of these out of the rubble and tried to sell them on ebay to no avail. A large 9' X 23' modern metal sign in 6 pieces did sell on ebay for $150: http://xrl.us/ec8d A short article about the LH Artists Studio Tour in Ames, IA: http://xrl.us/ec8e LHA Members report in: LHA Indiana Chapter Pres Jan Shupert-Arick reports that the Marshall County Transportation Museum in Plymouth, IN has recovered TWO Lincoln Highway Concrete Markers!!! - Yeh!! LHA Ohio member Michael Lester reports, "The Lincoln Highway is becoming so well known again that it is featured on page 58 of Vol. 3 of the Cracker Barrel Old Country Store Travel Almanac for the Year 2005. You can get it free at Cracker Barrel." Some ebay LH auctions: An LHA member may have set a new record for the highest amount ever paid for an LH scenic view (non-advertising) postcard - a real photo view of Plainfield, IL: http://xrl.us/ec8g A real photo view of the LH in Ely from the 20's sold for $129 A shield-shaped Automobile Blue Book Inn porcelain sign sold for $2,136 http://xrl.us/ec8h A publicity photo of the popular Myrt & Marge CBS radio duo as they started their cross-country trip at the Western Terminus marker of the LH in SF, CA went for $137 A real photo postcard of the Norden Store at the Donner Summit went for $80 A brass LH radiator badge went for $168: http://xrl.us/ec8j An old '20s LH pinback from Grand Island, NE went for $54 A real photo postcard of the "Lincoln Cutoff" in Orangevale, CA went for $38 - is this the 1928 LH? http://xrl.us/ec8m A real photo postcard of Ferguson's in Greensburg, PA featuring an Atlantic White Flash Gas Station went for $127 One seller hit the bonanza with a series of nice early CA real photo postcards: 1. Meadows Bridge S Tahoe - $98 http://xrl.us/ec8o 2. Donner Pass Lake Road - $49 http://xrl.us/ec8q 3. Yuba River Auburn Road - $98 http://xrl.us/ec8r 4. Meyers Grade Lake Tahoe - $159 http://xrl.us/ec8s A large thermometer advertising the Blair Bridge went for $168 (there's one like this inside Preston's Garage in Belle Plaine, IA): http://xrl.us/ec8v A 1915 LH map from the Nat'l Hwy Assoc. went for $130: http://xrl.us/ec8x and it's brother of the Dixie Hwy went for $202: http://xrl.us/ec8z Whew....I guess that get's me almost caught up! Have a great holiday and safe new year. Be sure to take some road trips in 2005 and I will see you soon in Ely, NV. yer pal, ypsi-slim, new King of the Dixie Highway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Tour the ruins of Detroit http://detroityes.com/ Embrace blight! A quest to document bad conversions. http://www.notfoolinganybody.com/ Still considering creating a web-site to document surviving examples of Googie Architecture in my area. Too cold out now, but I hope to get around to it come spring. The "notfooling" site is interesting enough. They are asking for submissions. Perhaps I'll share an example I saw this past year. A "Kennedy Fried Chicken" in Plainfield, NJ. . . . get the picture? ...Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Just a little road report on one of our american roads, took a little drive on a few miles of cement concrete from 1927 the other day and saw much more traffic on it than there used to be. When was the last time you as in any of you drove on some actual pavement from the 1920s, I would like to hear the particulars. As you no doubt know it is not easy to do this anymore. This road from 1927 was bypassed in 1940 which is mostly why it is still intact but nowadays suburbia looms. The design speed was probably around 50 MPH since that is a comfortable rate. The fills over the creeks have settled causing some dips but otherwise the road is pretty much as good as new just like 1927. This road gives me a great thrill to drive and there is no amount of hand-cut roadside french fries as much as I crave them that even comes close to it. So slide out of your diner booth and give us a road report please....Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Looking thru my 1941 AAA Tour Book this morning. Discovered the following routing, at that time, of U S highways 61, 63 and 64 in the West Memphis/Memphis area. U S 61 came down current AR 30/42 from Meneshea to Turrell, where it joined with 64 and followed current AR 77 south to U S 70 in West Memphis. U S 63 ran to Vincent, AR, then south on current AR 147 to Lehi on U S 70, just west of West Memphis. Then it ran east, joining 61/64 at the junction of current N. Missouri and Broadway in West Memphis, and on across the then Hernando Bridge into Memphis. Hudsonly, Alex B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest laurelrk66@aol.com Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 In a message dated 2/14/2004 10:12:04 AM Central Standard Time, theoakman@theriver.com writes: > When was the last time you as in any of you drove > on some actual pavement from the 1920s, I would > like to hear the particulars. > I am fortunate enough to have a portion of the renowned 1922 9-foot highway just two miles from my Afton Station. It existed for 4 years before it became part of Route 66 in 1926. I drive it often, and marvel at the idea of a one-lane road with just shoulders on which to pull over in the event of oncoming traffic. In his book, Jim Ross describes it's construction as "rock asphalt over a concrete base." To cruise down this "Sidewalk Highway" is to truly understand and appreciate early 20th century travel. Laurel Afton, OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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