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It was a stagecoach that turned over. The marker (

 

http://www.route40.net/culture/attractions-oh.shtml about 1/3 page down)

 

says first traffic fatality "on record in this state". There may have been

 

earlier fatalities on the road in other states and there may have even been

 

some earlier in Ohio that were "off record".

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Matt Smallwood [mailto:mattinwilmington3@yahoo.com]

 

> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:00 AM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Question about Baker's Motel -

 

> Zanesville

 

>

 

>

 

> What was that first fatality, Cristy? A fall from a horse or

 

> wagon....or was it in the early part of the 20th century and

 

> possibly attributed to an auto accident?

 

>

 

> Matt Smallwood

 

>

 

> Cristy <clfritz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

> That part of Ohio is a great part of the National Road. There are

 

> still some original mile markers (I have pictures of every one in

 

> Ohio) S-bridges, original bridges and if you are observant, you can

 

> find parts of the original road. Norwich (the small town near the

 

> motel) was the site of the first recorded fatality on the National

 

> Road. Enjoy your trip.

 

>

 

> Cristy

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Welcome to the group and thanks for verifying that Baker's is what

 

> it looks

 

> > like. You can't beat hearing from someone who has actually stayed at a

 

> > motel.

 

> >

 

> > I have visited the National Road Museum and it and the road itself

 

> are what

 

> > draws me to that area. And it is Baker's proximity to the museum that

 

> > attracted me to it. I've also stopped at the Glenn house twice but

 

> it was

 

> > closed both times. No fault of theirs - just bad timing on my part.

 

> >

 

> > --Denny

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Guest William Cashman

----- Original Message -----

 

From: sundayjohn66

 

 

 

 

 

L.A.'s air really is nasty. The mountains are a big part of the problem out

 

there ... they trap

 

all the exhaust fumes and stuff, and there's just nowhere for it to go.

 

 

 

We left L.A. in 1968, at that time "they" were considering drilling tunnels

 

through the mountains and installing exhaust fans to help get rid of the smog.

 

This has proven to be unnecessary, as the air quality in the surrounding desert

 

is now just as bad as L.A.

 

 

 

Cya l8r,

 

 

 

Bill

 

There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.

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Guest George Ashburn

I love this part of Ohio. I make it a point to eat

 

breakfast or lunch at Mickey's on US 40. (Great Fried

 

Chicken & Great Omelettes.)

 

 

 

--- Cristy <clfritz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> That part of Ohio is a great part of the National

 

> Road. There are

 

> still some original mile markers (I have pictures of

 

> every one in

 

> Ohio) S-bridges, original bridges and if you are

 

> observant, you can

 

> find parts of the original road. Norwich (the small

 

> town near the

 

> motel) was the site of the first recorded fatality

 

> on the National

 

> Road. Enjoy your trip.

 

>

 

> Cristy

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

> <denny@...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Welcome to the group and thanks for verifying that

 

> Baker's is what

 

> it looks

 

> > like. You can't beat hearing from someone who has

 

> actually stayed at a

 

> > motel.

 

> >

 

> > I have visited the National Road Museum and it and

 

> the road itself

 

> are what

 

> > draws me to that area. And it is Baker's proximity

 

> to the museum that

 

> > attracted me to it. I've also stopped at the Glenn

 

> house twice but

 

> it was

 

> > closed both times. No fault of theirs - just bad

 

> timing on my part.

 

> >

 

> > --Denny

 

 

 

 

 

George Ashburn - http://www.geocities.com/jamdawg1/index.html

 

 

 

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Hi Everybody,

 

Great things are happening in Cuba! Two historic buildings on Route 66 have

 

been purchased by local people and are going to be restored and renovated.

 

This is really good news since recently the opposite has happened to a few

 

other building on 66 here in Cuba.

 

The two purchases are the Cuba Hotel (built in 1915) and the Murta House

 

(built in or around 1926). The new owner of the Cuba Hotel is planning to

 

restore the outside to the original look it had in the early years of

 

service as the top hotel in Cuba. The inside will be made into apartments.

 

The new owner of the Murta House is going to restore the outside and

 

renovate the inside to serve as a Bed and Breakfast for travelers along

 

Route 66. Her plans are to be ready for the summer tourists.

 

Positive things are happening in Cuba and I'm glad I can share this good

 

news with everyone.

 

Fran in Cuba, MO.

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Guest jim conkle

Hello to you one and all,

 

 

 

Just to bring you up to date on the upcoming event June 22nd to the 25th. I

 

will be in Albuquerque next week for meetings with Steve/Bruce and their

 

group on Tuesday & Wednesday then the National Park Service Advisory Council

 

meeting Thursday & Friday. The event is going well and we will have a

 

complete agenda for publication later this month.

 

 

 

Just a little heads up of some of the things that will happen; Tuesday &

 

Wednesday the 20th & 21st will be the Preservation Symposium put on by the

 

NPS, Thursday we will have the Summit meeting, Sunday the E-Group breakfast

 

the usual events that roadies show an interest in.

 

 

 

There will be a few major changes though that are indented to add more value

 

to the event.

 

 

 

It will be a 'sit down' dinner, not a buffet, for the awards event. We are

 

going to be a little more formal although regular street clothes will be

 

acceptable, no one will be turned away at the door. But the event will take

 

on a different look. The entire evening will have a producer and stage

 

manager to keep the event moving. Yes there will be entertainment and

 

possibly dancing afterwards.

 

 

 

Artists/Authors/Craftspeople will be featured in the local newspapers and

 

other forms of media. We will have a 'media person' setting this up before

 

and during the event. Any feedback from those of you that are in this group

 

as to the best way to showcase all of you can be sent to Helen or myself.

 

 

 

Helen Baker has had some family matters that have kept her away from home

 

and will be back in the loop shortly. For those of you that have tried to

 

reach her with no success please channel your requests to me.

 

 

 

The folks in NM that are involved are passionate about the road and are

 

working hard to ensure the events success. Michael Wallis, Helen Baker,

 

myself and others involved are also committed to the success of this years

 

and all future years events.

 

 

 

We are open for suggestions, ideas, advice or criticism if you want to share

 

them with us.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Take care and see you on the road.

 

 

 

James M Conkle

 

Preservationist-Speaker-Marketer-Spokesperson-Public Relations-Event Planner

 

Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

Preservation of Historic Roads & Corridors

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760 868 3320

 

760 617 3991 cell

 

760 868 8614 fax

 

jimconkle@verizon.net

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Guest WALTER HACKNEY

Gas stations along Route 40 - Aurora (east Denver) CO 1962

 

 

 

16101 East Colfax Ave. ~ Carl's Super Service ~ 6-9060

 

15611 East Colfax Ave. ~ Altura Dixie Service ~ 4-9965

 

15291 East Colfax Ave. ~ Aurora Oil Co ~ 364-9901

 

14111 East Colfax Ave. ~ Gilmer Oil ~ 366-9040

 

13180 East Colfax Ave. ~ Pete's Mobil Service and Garage ~ 6-9090

 

12796 East Colfax Ave. ~ Voight Oil Co ~ 6-9018

 

11617 East Colfax Ave. ~ H & J Texaco Service Station ~ 6-9030

 

11500 East Colfax Ave. ~ Henry's Conoco ~ 6-9395

 

11479 East Colfax Ave. ~ Anderson's Shamrock Service Station ~ 6-9088

 

11300 East Colfax Ave. ~ Pete's Standard Service ~ 6-9024

 

11095 East Colfax Ave. ~ Aurora Mobil Service ~ 6-0709

 

10857 East Colfax Ave. ~ Aurora Oil Co ~ 4-4535

 

10800 East Colfax Ave. ~ Jamaica Chevron ~ 4-0357

 

10501 East Colfax Ave. ~ Havana Enco Service ~ 4-0203

 

10195 East Colfax Ave. ~ Robbie's Standard Station ~ 6-9136

 

9800 East Colfax Ave. ~ Ollie Davis Texaco ~ 366-9293

 

9755 East Colfax Ave. ~ Harold's Service Station ~ 6-9027

 

9445 East Colfax Ave. ~ Chuck's Sav-Mor Service ~ 6-9335

 

9300 East Colfax Ave. ~ Aurora Oil Co ~ 6-7470

 

8950 East Colfax Ave. ~ Navajo Cabins and Service Station ~ 6-9365

 

Walt Hackney

 

Gyrfal@Juno.com

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Guest jim conkle

Check out our web site at www.2006route66festival to keep up to date on the

 

event.

 

 

 

Hope to see all of you in Albuquerque in June of 2006.

 

 

 

Take care and see you on the road.

 

 

 

James M Conkle

 

Preservationist-Speaker-Marketer-Spokesperson-Public Relations-Event Planner

 

Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

Preservation of Historic Roads & Corridors

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760 868 3320

 

760 617 3991 cell

 

760 868 8614 fax

 

jimconkle@verizon.net

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Piotrowski"

 

<rt66prods@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Three words for you:

 

> Soda

 

> Pop

 

> Stop

 

>

 

> Soda Pop Stop and Galco's Old World Market in Highland Park (Los

 

> Angeles), California, can be found online at www.sodapopstop.com

 

or

 

> in the Federation News a couple of years ago, when I wrote an

 

> article about them. The business has around 500 different sodas

 

> from across the country, many of them the old-fashioned recipes.

 

> They are located just off of US-66, about halfway between the

 

> Construction and Alternate Alignments. Let them know I sent you!

 

>

 

> Scott Piotrowski, Director

 

> 66 Productions

 

> www.66productions.com

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roaddog_rt66"

 

> <roaddog_rt66@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Or is it? The next time you're tooling down the road, or in

 

your

 

> > neighborhood, stop in at a Mexican grocery store and order a

 

> Mexican

 

> > Coca Cola. Ask for one at your favorite Mexican eatery.

 

> >

 

> > In an article from the Medill News Service, Juan Carlos

 

Hernandez

 

> > states that a Coke from Mexico is not like one you get from the

 

> US.

 

> > According to him, besides coming in a bottle (and it won't be

 

long

 

> > before our kids won't even know what a bottle of pop is other

 

than

 

> > special editions), Mexican Coke includes sugar made from

 

> sugarcane.

 

> > This is a lot sweeter than US Coke which gets its sweetness from

 

> corn

 

> > syrup.

 

> >

 

> > It will cost a bit more, but, I believe variety is the spice of

 

> life.

 

> > I, myself, haven't tried one yet. Perhaps we can get some

 

insight

 

> > from someone.

 

> >

 

> > Drinking that Sweet Coke down that Two Lane Highway. -- RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >Thanks for the info. We'll be out that way in the fall and will

 

stop by. I went to the site and saw that they had all sorts of rare

 

and hard-to-get sodas, including Berghoff's Chicago's Famous Root

 

Beer, but it was out of stock, and not likely to be back in with the

 

imminent demise of that place. There were also some cane sugar ones.

 

 

 

I also will check out their candy, some of which I haven't seem for

 

years like bubble gum cigarettes (talk about your politically

 

incorrect candy), Mallo Cups, Clove Chewing Gum, and

 

candy buttons. If any of you would like to take a mini trip back to

 

days gone by, this is a good place to go.

 

 

 

By the way, do you call them soft drinks, sodas, or pops. I have

 

heard that you can tell where someone is from by how they refer to

 

those carbonated drinks. Anyone out there have any opinions?

 

 

 

Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. -- RoadDog

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Guest WALTER HACKNEY

This is part 2 of 3 parts ~ gas stations along Colfax Ave (route 40)

 

through Denver.

 

I have broken the 24 plus miles of Colfax Ave. in the Denver metro area

 

into three sections - East (Aurora CO), central (Denver, CO) and West

 

(Lakewood and Golden, CO) and will post more information as I find time

 

to continue the research.

 

 

 

Denver, Co Gas Stations in 1962, from East to West:

 

 

 

8740 East Colfax Ave. ~ Oriental Service Stations of Denver ~

 

8330 East Colfax Ave. ~ Couch's Service Center ~ EA 2-5667

 

8275 East Colfax Ave. ~ Sinclair Service Station ~ EA 2-9738

 

(Personal note - I worked at this station as my high school

 

summer job in 1975 - WH)

 

8095 East Colfax Ave. ~ C & C "66" Service Station ~ FR 7-9834

 

8000 East Colfax Ave. ~ Air Line Chevron ~ 399-1624

 

7945 East Colfax Ave. ~ Burns Service ~ EA 2-9721

 

7901 East Colfax Ave. ~ Site Service Station ~ DE 3-9842

 

7801 East Colfax Ave. ~ Capra Texaco Service ~ FL 5-1184

 

7701 East Colfax Ave. ~ Colfax Conoco Service Station ~ 388-9029

 

7700 East Colfax Ave. ~ Syracuse Standard Service ~ FR 7-8715

 

7625 East Colfax Ave. ~ Airport Mobil Service ~ DE 3-1048

 

7425 East Colfax Ave. ~ Roslyn Service Station ~ EA 2-9795

 

7400 East Colfax Ave. ~ Teneco Service ~

 

7327 East Colfax Ave. ~ Sweeney Standard Service ~ FR 7-9944

 

7200 East Colfax Ave. ~ Popular Gulf Service ~ DE 3-9732

 

7001 East Colfax Ave. ~ Roger's Skelly Service Station ~ EA 2-9720

 

6875 East Colfax Ave. ~ Frank's Sinclair Service ~ DU 8-9066

 

6600 East Colfax Ave. ~ Bob's Texaco Service ~ DU 8-9020

 

6330 East Colfax Ave. ~ Garrison's Super Service ~ EA 2-9872

 

5995 East Colfax Ave. ~ KOA Chevron Service ~ DU 8-1462

 

5890 East Colfax Ave. ~ Wagoner Skelly Service ~ EA 2-9896

 

5315 East Colfax Ave. ~ Glencoe Conoco Station ~ EA 2-9777

 

5145 East Colfax Ave. ~ D F Fainter Standard Service ~ FR 7-9835

 

4860 East Colfax Ave. ~ Don's Skelly Service ~ 388-9082

 

4839 East Colfax Ave. ~ Eudora "66" Servioce ~ EA 2-9905

 

4800 East Colfax Ave. ~ Col-Den Oil Co ~ FR 7-9855

 

4734 East Colfax Ave. ~ Kurt Steckel Texaco ~ FL 5-0610

 

4690 East Colfax Ave. ~ Dexter Chevron Station ~ DE 3-9850

 

4539 East Colfax Ave. ~ Steve's Enco Service ~ De 3-9817

 

4500 East Colfax Ave. ~ K-V Gas and Oil co ~ EA 2-9725

 

4230 East Colfax Ave. ~ Charlie's Gulf Service ~ DU 8-9956

 

4100 East Colfax Ave. ~ Colfax Sav-Mor Gas ~ DE 3-9818

 

3801 East Colfax Ave. ~ Harry K's Texaco Service ~ EA 2-9947

 

3700 East Colfax Ave. ~ Garfield Sinclair Service Station ~ DU 8-6941

 

3495 East Colfax Ave. ~ Blattner's Service Station ~ FR 7-9912

 

3400 East Colfax Ave. ~ Anderson Service Station ~ FR 7-9801

 

3175 East Colfax Ave. ~ Stanley Steele Service ~ EA 2-9287

 

2730 East Colfax Ave. ~ Detroit Service Station ~ DE 3-9987

 

2424 East Colfax Ave. ~ Black and White Service ~ FR 7-8818

 

2341 East Colfax Ave. ~ East Hi Chevron Service ~ De 3-9980

 

2101 East Colfax Ave. ~ Bartlett Standard Service ~ EA 2-9766

 

1925 East Colfax Ave. ~ Hiatt Service Station ~ de 3-9721

 

1895 East Colfax Ave. ~ Saunders Sinclair Service Station ~ FR 7-9970

 

1601 East Colfax Ave. ~ Woody's Conoco Service ~ FR 7-9956

 

1331 East Colfax Ave. ~ Tenneco Service Station ~ 244-9938

 

1238 East Colfax Ave. ~ Knutson Brothers Service ~ CH 4-3315

 

1101 East Colfax Ave. ~ C & D Mobil Service ~ KE 4-5652

 

1010 East Colfax Ave. ~ Capitol Hill 66 Service ~ TA 5-9826

 

939 East Colfax Ave. ~ Cal-Oil Chevron Service Station ~ 244-9990

 

900 East Colfax Ave. ~ S & S Sav More Service ~ MA 3-9903

 

638 East Colfax Ave. ~ Ernie's Stamdard Service station ~ KE 4-9423

 

515 West Colfax Ave. ~ Downtown Chevron Service ~ KE 4-9446

 

1305 West Colfax Ave. ~ Norm's Servicenter ~ TA 5-9439

 

2056 West Colfax Ave. ~ National Oil Service Stations ~ MA 3-9600

 

3411 West Colfax Ave. ~ Conoco Station No 36 ~ TA 5-9890

 

3501 West Colfax Ave. ~ Harvey's Tenneco ~ KE 4-9332

 

3600 West Colfax Ave. ~ Park Texaco ~ 244-9993

 

3840 West Colfax Ave. ~ Mars Oil Co ~ 534-2975

 

3940 West Colfax Ave. ~ Siegel Service Station ~ KE 4-9180

 

4035 West Colfax Ave. ~ VanSickles Forty Hi ~ AL 5-2413

 

4190 West Colfax Ave. ~ Leland's Conoco Service ~ TA 5-9838

 

4200 West Colfax Ave. ~ Jeff's Texaco Service ~ KE 4-9871

 

4250 West Colfax Ave. ~ Mel's Skelly Service ~ MA 3-3952

 

4300 West Colfax Ave. ~ Horner Gulf Service Station ~ KE 4-9538

 

4707 West Colfax Ave. ~ Siote Service Station ~ CH 4-9481

 

4740 West Colfax Ave. ~ Chub's "66" Service ~ TA 5-9653

 

 

 

Please check out my Webshots photo albums of Colorado roadside and neon

 

~~ http://community.webshots.com/user/route40roadtrip

 

 

 

Walt Hackney

 

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Guest WALTER HACKNEY

I have added two albums to my Webshots account -

 

 

 

~~Some photos I took in 2001 of Colfax Ave (Route 40) in East Denver -

 

several of these businesses are also in the "Neon" album

 

~~Some photos of a day trip into the mountains along Route 40 out of

 

Denver last December; mostly photos of Idaho Springs, CO.

 

 

 

Please follow the link if you are interested -

 

http://community.webshots.com/user/route40roadtrip

 

 

 

Thanks --

 

 

 

 

 

Walt Hackney

 

Gyrfal@Juno.com

 

Denver, Colorado

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Guest roamndav

Hi everyone...ever since the New Year, work has been CA-Raze-Zee!

 

Sorry took so long to post these, but I created a folder in

 

the 'PHOTOS' section for some pics I took of old U.S. 30 and the

 

Lincoln Highway when I was home in Iowa over the Christmas/New Year's

 

break. Sorry the pics are so dark, but hey, these were taken around

 

the shortest day of the year in the late afternoon! Thankfully, at

 

least the sun was out!

 

 

 

It was heartening to see as almost all of the small towns along the

 

stretch had murals, signs and other reminders of U.S.30, the Lincoln

 

Highway or both!

 

 

 

The files are

 

1) Witt, IA - A helpful Lincoln Hwy marker on a telephone pole. Many

 

towns had little signs like these to help you along.

 

2) Lowden, IA - Abandoned stretch of probable Lincoln Hwy concrete!

 

Next three pics are from just west of Wheatland, IA

 

3) An old concrete bridge typical of many along this stretch of old

 

roadbed. You know these date to the Lincoln Hwy era!

 

4) A pic of a larger old concrete bridge. This was just west of the

 

old iron bridge (next pic)

 

5) Old iron bridge just north of modern 30 about a mile west of

 

Wheatland. A small access road gives you access to this strecth for

 

a terrific multiple mile drive of old road.

 

 

 

Sorry it's been so long, hope everyone/s been well and I hope to hit

 

the boards more as I''ve got some goodies to share!!

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Jeff in Tucson (formerly of Iowa for those first 25 'formative'

 

years)!

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Hey Jeff,

 

 

 

Great photos - those aren't to dark. Makes me want

 

to get out of this snow belt and head out on a road

 

trip somewhere - anywhere but New England!!! LOL

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- roamndav <roamndav@verizon.net> wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi everyone...ever since the New Year, work has been

 

> CA-Raze-Zee!

 

> Sorry took so long to post these, but I created a

 

> folder in

 

> the 'PHOTOS' section for some pics I took of old

 

> U.S. 30 and the

 

> Lincoln Highway when I was home in Iowa over the

 

> Christmas/New Year's

 

> break. Sorry the pics are so dark, but hey, these

 

> were taken around

 

> the shortest day of the year in the late afternoon!

 

> Thankfully, at

 

> least the sun was out!

 

>

 

> It was heartening to see as almost all of the small

 

> towns along the

 

> stretch had murals, signs and other reminders of

 

> U.S.30, the Lincoln

 

> Highway or both!

 

>

 

> The files are

 

> 1) Witt, IA - A helpful Lincoln Hwy marker on a

 

> telephone pole. Many

 

> towns had little signs like these to help you along.

 

> 2) Lowden, IA - Abandoned stretch of probable

 

> Lincoln Hwy concrete!

 

> Next three pics are from just west of Wheatland, IA

 

> 3) An old concrete bridge typical of many along this

 

> stretch of old

 

> roadbed. You know these date to the Lincoln Hwy

 

> era!

 

> 4) A pic of a larger old concrete bridge. This was

 

> just west of the

 

> old iron bridge (next pic)

 

> 5) Old iron bridge just north of modern 30 about a

 

> mile west of

 

> Wheatland. A small access road gives you access to

 

> this strecth for

 

> a terrific multiple mile drive of old road.

 

>

 

> Sorry it's been so long, hope everyone/s been well

 

> and I hope to hit

 

> the boards more as I''ve got some goodies to share!!

 

>

 

> Cheers,

 

> Jeff in Tucson (formerly of Iowa for those first 25

 

> 'formative'

 

> years)!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Betaket

Dear Members

 

 

 

I am looking for a contractor company who can do road / highway construction in

 

Indonesia by doing a turn key or built operate transfer. Kindly advice in return

 

to my private email betaket at yahoo.com

 

 

 

Best

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Guest Jim Michalek

I caught this while doing research for my Highway 41 book. It's in

 

Southeastern Wisconsin, between Kenosha and Lake Geneva on State Road

 

50. Pick up some corn and eggs at a farm stand and learn why so many

 

food processors tout "fresh" in their ads.

 

 

 

http://www.fairwynfarms.com/corn_maze.htm

 

 

 

You may remember the maze from Monday Night Football in 2002, during a

 

Packer-Bear game. John Madden kept flashing it on the screen, but

 

never telling anyone where it is. Well, now you know. I'll see you

 

there soon.

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Guest Alex Burr

Hi Everyone,

 

 

 

I just completed, more or less, the first in a series of short road

 

trips, "Memphis Day Trips", on my Road Trips web site @:

 

http://www.freewebs.com/yankeetraveller/index.htm

 

 

 

Click on Memphis Day Trips - or any of the other links at the top of

 

the page.

 

 

 

I'll have some more to add next winter when I make my yearly trek to

 

visit with my daughter - she's planning on quitting working in about 6

 

months so perhaps we'll be able to do several trips together on.

 

 

 

Enjoy - hope this work is entertaining and interesting to y'all.

 

 

 

Safe Travels.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Betaket <betaket@i...> wrote:

 

> Dear Members

 

>

 

> I am looking for a contractor company who can do road / highway

 

construction in Indonesia by doing a turn key or built operate

 

transfer. Kindly advice in return to my private email betaket at

 

yahoo.com

 

>

 

> Best

 

>

 

 

 

Hello!

 

 

 

Unless we happen to have a member here who is a heavy/highway

 

contractor (anyone, anyone?), our group is not about road

 

construction, so to speak. Although we do have conversations about

 

concrete and road construction sometimes, it is primarily geared

 

toward discussion about historic U.S. Highways and road travel, etc.

 

 

 

But I approved your post in case there is anyone who can help. Good

 

luck!

 

 

 

Jennifer

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Joliet Area Historical Museum -- Sunday May 21, 2:00 p.m.

 

 

 

Today's traveler can still drive most of old Route 66 from Joliet to

 

Chicago's lakefront without encountering much expressway driving. But,

 

historic structures and buildings are increasingly disappearing or are

 

endangered because of development and "progress." From Joliet's Ruby

 

Street Bridge to Chicago's Buckingham Fountain, Highway Historian and

 

Route 66 author, David Clark, takes us on a slide show tour of the

 

historic sights still seen on the road today as well as the sites

 

where important structures once stood. This program is great for those

 

interested in "doing 66," but who don't have more than a day to spare!

 

The cost of this program is FREE for Museum members, Route 66

 

Association of Illinois members, and $3 for non-members. Advance

 

registration and payment is required and can be made by calling the

 

Museum at 815-723-5201 ext. 235 or 226.

 

 

 

The Joliet Area Historical Museum is located at 204 N. Ottawa Street,

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

I noticed several "not founds" originating from my earlier message. The

 

correct URL is

 

 

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/bbash04

 

 

 

in case anyone is still interested. What I did was end a sentence with the

 

URL (it often seems so natural) and Yahoo (or something else along the way)

 

included the period as part of the URL. That's happened before but I guess

 

I'm a slow learner. Putting URLs on lines by themselves may be the only

 

safe way to do it.

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Just drove the Easternmost end of 40 yesterday.

 

Beginning to look like the rest of Joisey as I see it.

 

A few good landmarks left, . . . I just googled this.

 

 

 

http://www.route40.net/culture/mufflerman.shtml

 

 

 

Also found it hard to recognize Rt 322 (Black Horse Pike).

 

Anyone remember a very small Fantasy Amusement Park

 

called "Adventure Village" on 322?

 

 

 

... Chris

 

NJ Exit 7-A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>

 

> Frank,

 

>

 

> Thanks for the information and comparison between the Stewart book and the

 

Vale's

 

book. I've only had my copy for 6-7 years but I can remember growing up in

 

Marion,

 

Illinois, a small town of about 10,000 folks in the southern part of the state,

 

and checking

 

Stewart's book out of the library numerable times just to daydream that I was

 

traveling

 

down U.S. 40 and not sitting my bedroom.

 

>

 

> Mike Ward

 

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> From: Brusca, Frank<mailto:fbrusca@...>

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com<mailto:

 

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> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:41 AM

 

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

>

 

>

 

> I think the photo error was one of those oops moments for Stewart. He

 

corrected it

 

and moved on.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Of the Vales' omissions, here are some likely rationale for their coverage

 

(and lack

 

thereof):

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> New Castle - The original photo was shot from a ferry boat. Since the ferry

 

was

 

discontinued in 1951, I am hiring a charter boat to take me mid river.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Bush River - I'm perplexed over this omission. The location is very easy to

 

find.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Ridge & Valley - ditto.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Narrows - ditto.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Coal Mine - The site is easy to find, however the mountain is not heavily

 

forested.

 

They probably elected not to shoot this scene since a contemporary photo is

 

difficult to

 

achieve. I've done some winter photography at a nearby location.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mileposts - These three sites are very easy to find. All three signs are

 

now gone,

 

though, and that may have been the reason the Vales didn't try to replicate the

 

scenes.

 

The cast iron milepost is now in a museum. The milestone had been on a highway

 

supervisor's front yard for about 30 years and then it disappeared after his

 

death. The

 

wooden sign (a major safety hazard by today's standards) has been replaced by a

 

simple

 

sign on the right shoulder. The farm buildings in the last photo are still

 

standing.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Roadside Vendor - This was very hard to pinpoint and that may have been one

 

reason

 

the Vales opted out on this scene. I was able to pinpoint the scene only when I

 

viewed the

 

original negative through a loupe. The street sign in the background is clear

 

as can be in

 

the neg.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Road Making - Another curious omission. Granted the scene has changed

 

considerably since 1950, by a little bit of leg work revealed the location to

 

me.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Double Highway - The Vales indicated they did not want to climb the rickety

 

old water

 

tower at this scene. That's understandable. Today, however, a communications

 

tower

 

stands on that site. I have made arrangements to get a photo from the tower -

 

perhaps

 

this summer.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Sign Post - This is another curious omission. The scene has changed

 

dramatically and

 

is important for a then-and-now comparison. A major inner city highway now runs

 

to the

 

right of the scene - where the building with the Country Club Beer ad formerly

 

stood.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> A Bit of the Old West - Stewart's location error has thrown all of us off.

 

I spent about

 

20 afternoons in St. Mary's and was unable to locate it. Only when I reread

 

Stewart's notes

 

was I able to pinpoint the location.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Two Species - The scene hasn't changed much. My guess is that the Vales

 

blinked and

 

drove right by it.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Target of Opportunity - This section is on an abandoned alignment. My guess

 

is that

 

they were on the new road and drove right by it.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Great Basin - This is an incredibly dangerous photo to shoot. I was nearly

 

killed

 

shooting this scene.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Forty Mile Desert - Obviously, the Vales chose not to include the aerials.

 

Probably for

 

budgetary reasons.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Highway and River - ditto.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Forest Primeval - This scene is very tough to find, but a few days of leg

 

work, and

 

some assistance from the Forest Service, enabled me to find it.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Names Section - I still don't understand why these photos weren't attempted

 

by the

 

Vales. There are some good scenes - especially in the original photos!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In the Vales' defense, I realize that they had a very short schedule and a

 

very limited

 

budget. I have spent many years making trips, writing letters, sending e-mails

 

and

 

making phone calls to ensure accuracy and complete coverage. So far, I've had

 

to pay for

 

everything myself (the Vales did have a small grant). I owe a great deal to the

 

Vales for

 

their work. Thanks to them, a few of the more problematic scenes were very easy

 

to

 

locate.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Frank Brusca

 

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Hey, I thought I was the only one who took imaginary trips with

 

Stewart's book. Between the ages of 10 and 18 (when I had no car or

 

driver's license) Stewart's book was the only way I had to see the

 

highway.

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

Westerville, Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

[mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ward

 

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:39 PM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

Frank,

 

 

 

Thanks for the information and comparison between the Stewart book and

 

the Vale's book. I've only had my copy for 6-7 years but I can remember

 

growing up in Marion, Illinois, a small town of about 10,000 folks in

 

the southern part of the state, and checking Stewart's book out of the

 

library numerable times just to daydream that I was traveling down U.S.

 

40 and not sitting my bedroom.

 

 

 

Mike Ward

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Brusca, Frank<mailto:fbrusca@otterbein.edu>

 

To:

 

<mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:41 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

 

 

I think the photo error was one of those oops moments for Stewart. He

 

corrected it and moved on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of the Vales' omissions, here are some likely rationale for their

 

coverage (and lack thereof):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Castle - The original photo was shot from a ferry boat. Since the

 

ferry was discontinued in 1951, I am hiring a charter boat to take me

 

mid river.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush River - I'm perplexed over this omission. The location is very

 

easy to find.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ridge & Valley - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narrows - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coal Mine - The site is easy to find, however the mountain is not

 

heavily forested. They probably elected not to shoot this scene since a

 

contemporary photo is difficult to achieve. I've done some winter

 

photography at a nearby location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mileposts - These three sites are very easy to find. All three signs

 

are now gone, though, and that may have been the reason the Vales didn't

 

try to replicate the scenes. The cast iron milepost is now in a museum.

 

The milestone had been on a highway supervisor's front yard for about 30

 

years and then it disappeared after his death. The wooden sign (a major

 

safety hazard by today's standards) has been replaced by a simple sign

 

on the right shoulder. The farm buildings in the last photo are still

 

standing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roadside Vendor - This was very hard to pinpoint and that may have

 

been one reason the Vales opted out on this scene. I was able to

 

pinpoint the scene only when I viewed the original negative through a

 

loupe. The street sign in the background is clear as can be in the neg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Road Making - Another curious omission. Granted the scene has changed

 

considerably since 1950, by a little bit of leg work revealed the

 

location to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Double Highway - The Vales indicated they did not want to climb the

 

rickety old water tower at this scene. That's understandable. Today,

 

however, a communications tower stands on that site. I have made

 

arrangements to get a photo from the tower - perhaps this summer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sign Post - This is another curious omission. The scene has changed

 

dramatically and is important for a then-and-now comparison. A major

 

inner city highway now runs to the right of the scene - where the

 

building with the Country Club Beer ad formerly stood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Bit of the Old West - Stewart's location error has thrown all of us

 

off. I spent about 20 afternoons in St. Mary's and was unable to locate

 

it. Only when I reread Stewart's notes was I able to pinpoint the

 

location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two Species - The scene hasn't changed much. My guess is that the

 

Vales blinked and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Target of Opportunity - This section is on an abandoned alignment. My

 

guess is that they were on the new road and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great Basin - This is an incredibly dangerous photo to shoot. I was

 

nearly killed shooting this scene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forty Mile Desert - Obviously, the Vales chose not to include the

 

aerials. Probably for budgetary reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highway and River - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forest Primeval - This scene is very tough to find, but a few days of

 

leg work, and some assistance from the Forest Service, enabled me to

 

find it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Names Section - I still don't understand why these photos weren't

 

attempted by the Vales. There are some good scenes - especially in the

 

original photos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the Vales' defense, I realize that they had a very short schedule

 

and a very limited budget. I have spent many years making trips,

 

writing letters, sending e-mails and making phone calls to ensure

 

accuracy and complete coverage. So far, I've had to pay for everything

 

myself (the Vales did have a small grant). I owe a great deal to the

 

Vales for their work. Thanks to them, a few of the more problematic

 

scenes were very easy to locate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank,

 

 

 

I was doing my dreaming, or should I say wanderlust, when I was about 10 years

 

old, or about 50 years ago. Even though my family traveled a decent amount for

 

the times, it was never enough for me, and remains the same even today. Maybe I

 

should have been a long-haul truck driver.

 

 

 

Mike

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:55 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, I thought I was the only one who took imaginary trips with

 

Stewart's book. Between the ages of 10 and 18 (when I had no car or

 

driver's license) Stewart's book was the only way I had to see the

 

highway.

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

Westerville, Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ward

 

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Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

Frank,

 

 

 

Thanks for the information and comparison between the Stewart book and

 

the Vale's book. I've only had my copy for 6-7 years but I can remember

 

growing up in Marion, Illinois, a small town of about 10,000 folks in

 

the southern part of the state, and checking Stewart's book out of the

 

library numerable times just to daydream that I was traveling down U.S.

 

40 and not sitting my bedroom.

 

 

 

Mike Ward

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Brusca, Frank<mailto:fbrusca@otterbein.edu>

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:41 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

 

 

I think the photo error was one of those oops moments for Stewart. He

 

corrected it and moved on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of the Vales' omissions, here are some likely rationale for their

 

coverage (and lack thereof):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Castle - The original photo was shot from a ferry boat. Since the

 

ferry was discontinued in 1951, I am hiring a charter boat to take me

 

mid river.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush River - I'm perplexed over this omission. The location is very

 

easy to find.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ridge & Valley - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narrows - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coal Mine - The site is easy to find, however the mountain is not

 

heavily forested. They probably elected not to shoot this scene since a

 

contemporary photo is difficult to achieve. I've done some winter

 

photography at a nearby location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mileposts - These three sites are very easy to find. All three signs

 

are now gone, though, and that may have been the reason the Vales didn't

 

try to replicate the scenes. The cast iron milepost is now in a museum.

 

The milestone had been on a highway supervisor's front yard for about 30

 

years and then it disappeared after his death. The wooden sign (a major

 

safety hazard by today's standards) has been replaced by a simple sign

 

on the right shoulder. The farm buildings in the last photo are still

 

standing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roadside Vendor - This was very hard to pinpoint and that may have

 

been one reason the Vales opted out on this scene. I was able to

 

pinpoint the scene only when I viewed the original negative through a

 

loupe. The street sign in the background is clear as can be in the neg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Road Making - Another curious omission. Granted the scene has changed

 

considerably since 1950, by a little bit of leg work revealed the

 

location to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Double Highway - The Vales indicated they did not want to climb the

 

rickety old water tower at this scene. That's understandable. Today,

 

however, a communications tower stands on that site. I have made

 

arrangements to get a photo from the tower - perhaps this summer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sign Post - This is another curious omission. The scene has changed

 

dramatically and is important for a then-and-now comparison. A major

 

inner city highway now runs to the right of the scene - where the

 

building with the Country Club Beer ad formerly stood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Bit of the Old West - Stewart's location error has thrown all of us

 

off. I spent about 20 afternoons in St. Mary's and was unable to locate

 

it. Only when I reread Stewart's notes was I able to pinpoint the

 

location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two Species - The scene hasn't changed much. My guess is that the

 

Vales blinked and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Target of Opportunity - This section is on an abandoned alignment. My

 

guess is that they were on the new road and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great Basin - This is an incredibly dangerous photo to shoot. I was

 

nearly killed shooting this scene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forty Mile Desert - Obviously, the Vales chose not to include the

 

aerials. Probably for budgetary reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highway and River - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forest Primeval - This scene is very tough to find, but a few days of

 

leg work, and some assistance from the Forest Service, enabled me to

 

find it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Names Section - I still don't understand why these photos weren't

 

attempted by the Vales. There are some good scenes - especially in the

 

original photos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the Vales' defense, I realize that they had a very short schedule

 

and a very limited budget. I have spent many years making trips,

 

writing letters, sending e-mails and making phone calls to ensure

 

accuracy and complete coverage. So far, I've had to pay for everything

 

myself (the Vales did have a small grant). I owe a great deal to the

 

Vales for their work. Thanks to them, a few of the more problematic

 

scenes were very easy to locate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

 

 

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It's sad that not one of the mufflermen pictured has a

 

muffler in his hand...lol. They're all holding air.....

 

 

 

Matt Smallwood

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:16:49 -0000

 

"Chris" <chris@experiencenascar.com> wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Just drove the Easternmost end of 40 yesterday.

 

> Beginning to look like the rest of Joisey as I see it.

 

> A few good landmarks left, . . . I just googled this.

 

>

 

> http://www.route40.net/culture/mufflerman.shtml

 

>

 

> Also found it hard to recognize Rt 322 (Black Horse

 

> Pike).

 

> Anyone remember a very small Fantasy Amusement Park

 

> called "Adventure Village" on 322?

 

>

 

> ... Chris

 

> NJ Exit 7-A

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike

 

> Ward" <flyboy1946@...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Frank,

 

> >

 

> > Thanks for the information and comparison between

 

> the Stewart book and the Vale's

 

> book.  I've only had my copy for 6-7 years but I can

 

> remember growing up in Marion,

 

> Illinois, a small town of about 10,000 folks in the

 

> southern part of the state, and checking

 

> Stewart's book out of the library numerable times just to

 

> daydream that I was traveling

 

> down U.S. 40 and not sitting my bedroom.

 

> >

 

> > Mike Ward

 

> >   ----- Original Message -----

 

> >   From: Brusca,

 

> Frank<mailto:fbrusca@...>

 

> >   To:

 

> AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com<mailto:

 

> AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

> >   Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:41 AM

 

> >   Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40

 

> Book/Picture question

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   I think the photo error was one of those

 

> oops moments for Stewart.  He corrected it

 

> and moved on.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Of the Vales' omissions, here are some

 

> likely rationale for their coverage (and lack

 

> thereof):

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   New Castle - The original photo was shot

 

> from a ferry boat.  Since the ferry was

 

> discontinued in 1951, I am hiring a charter boat to take

 

> me mid river.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Bush River - I'm perplexed over this

 

> omission.  The location is very easy to find.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Ridge & Valley - ditto.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Narrows - ditto.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Coal Mine - The site is easy to find,

 

> however the mountain is not heavily forested. 

 

> They probably elected not to shoot this scene since a

 

> contemporary photo is difficult to

 

> achieve.  I've done some winter photography at a

 

> nearby location.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Mileposts - These three sites are very

 

> easy to find.  All three signs are now gone,

 

> though, and that may have been the reason the Vales

 

> didn't try to replicate the scenes. 

 

> The cast iron milepost is now in a museum.  The

 

> milestone had been on a highway

 

> supervisor's front yard for about 30 years and then it

 

> disappeared after his death.  The

 

> wooden sign (a major safety hazard by today's standards)

 

> has been replaced by a simple

 

> sign on the right shoulder.  The farm buildings in

 

> the last photo are still standing.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Roadside Vendor - This was very hard to

 

> pinpoint and that may have been one reason

 

> the Vales opted out on this scene.  I was able to

 

> pinpoint the scene only when I viewed the

 

> original negative through a loupe.  The street sign

 

> in the background is clear as can be in

 

> the neg.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Road Making - Another curious

 

> omission.  Granted the scene has changed

 

> considerably since 1950, by a little bit of leg work

 

> revealed the location to me.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Double Highway - The Vales indicated

 

> they did not want to climb the rickety old water

 

> tower at this scene.  That's understandable. 

 

> Today, however, a communications tower

 

> stands on that site.  I have made arrangements to

 

> get a photo from the tower - perhaps

 

> this summer.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Sign Post - This is another curious

 

> omission.  The scene has changed dramatically and

 

> is important for a then-and-now comparison.  A major

 

> inner city highway now runs to the

 

> right of the scene - where the building with the Country

 

> Club Beer ad formerly stood.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   A Bit of the Old West - Stewart's

 

> location error has thrown all of us off.  I spent

 

> about

 

> 20 afternoons in St. Mary's and was unable to locate

 

> it.  Only when I reread Stewart's notes

 

> was I able to pinpoint the location.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Two Species - The scene hasn't changed

 

> much.  My guess is that the Vales blinked and

 

> drove right by it.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Target of Opportunity - This section is

 

> on an abandoned alignment.  My guess is that

 

> they were on the new road and drove right by it.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Great Basin - This is an incredibly

 

> dangerous photo to shoot.  I was nearly killed

 

> shooting this scene.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Forty Mile Desert - Obviously, the Vales

 

> chose not to include the aerials.  Probably for

 

> budgetary reasons.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Highway and River - ditto.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Forest Primeval - This scene is very

 

> tough to find, but a few days of leg work, and

 

> some assistance from the Forest Service, enabled me to

 

> find it.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Names Section - I still don't understand

 

> why these photos weren't attempted by the

 

> Vales.  There are some good scenes - especially in

 

> the original photos!

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   In the Vales' defense, I realize that

 

> they had a very short schedule and a very limited

 

> budget.  I have spent many years making trips,

 

> writing letters, sending e-mails and

 

> making phone calls to ensure accuracy and complete

 

> coverage.  So far, I've had to pay for

 

> everything myself (the Vales did have a small

 

> grant).  I owe a great deal to the Vales for

 

> their work.  Thanks to them, a few of the more

 

> problematic scenes were very easy to

 

> locate.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   Frank Brusca

 

> >

 

> >   Westerville, Ohio

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >   [Non-text portions of this message have

 

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> >

 

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That's one of several regrets I have from service days. I was

 

stationed on a ship in Coronado (across San Diego Bay from some big

 

city or other) and never hit the LA area for anything like Barney's or

 

the real original McDonald's in San Bernadino.

 

 

 

My biggest is being stationed at Idaho Falls, ID for a few months and

 

never, not even once, going to that big park in the northwest corner

 

of Montana. I think it's called Yellow stone or some such. I did get

 

to Craters of the Moon, which was awesome, on my way to Washington

 

State. Camped out there just on the spur of the moment, too. Okay, I

 

stuck my feet out the window of a Plymouth Valient until I got too cold.

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Bakerhab@a... wrote:

 

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> Article Published: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 5:06:32 PM PST

 

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> aˆ? Barney's Beanery website.

 

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> West Hollywood landmark plans second Beanery By Brent Hopkins

 

>

 

> WEST HOLLYWOOD -- Twenty-one kinds of chili, 78 sorts of burgers,

 

more than

 

> 200 beers, 700 menu items, and soon, two locations. The original

 

dingy, beat-up

 

> burger-and-brew joint known as Barney's Beanery reeks of nine

 

decades of

 

> checkered history. Started in 1920 by ex-Navy cook John Anthony --

 

dubbed Barney

 

> by his friends for no apparent reason -- the site served as a

 

watering hole for

 

> drivers on the old Route 66 when it relocated to its current spot in

 

1927.

 

> Once the weary motorists reached California, they left their

 

out-of-state plates

 

> at the bar -- decor that remains decades later. Initially, the shack

 

only

 

> served men and would later gain notoriety for its barroom sign

 

suggesting gays

 

> take their business elsewhere. Over the years, protests brought that

 

sign down,

 

> but even in its more hardscrabble days, the restaurant claimed a

 

clientele as

 

> varied as Jean Harlow, John Barrymore and Clark Gable. Janis Joplin

 

carved her

 

> name into her favorite table to commemorate many a night in the wild

 

> roadhouse on Santa Monica Boulevard, one that still draws stars and

 

tourists alike.

 

> The yowling singer slugged back her last vodka-and-orange at the

 

West Hollywood

 

> landmark the night she died. The Doors used to prowl its cluttered

 

interior

 

> when they weren't handling business at nearby Elektra Records. It's

 

been the

 

> site of both billiards battles and civil rights struggles, and now,

 

the storied

 

> site will spawn another. This summer, Barney's Beanery will open its

 

first

 

> branch along Santa Monica's Promenade."We finally got a second

 

location," said

 

> David Houston, co-owner and president of the restaurant. "It only

 

took us 84

 

> years to get our act together and get around to it."Granted, he

 

didn't own it the

 

> whole time, purchasing it three years ago after many years of dining

 

at its

 

> scarred wood booths. He and his partners have some experience with

 

multi-unit

 

> operations, also running the Q's Billiards chain in West Los

 

Angeles, Pasadena

 

> and Santa Barbara. Based on his time with Q's, he thinks he can make

 

the $1

 

> million they're sinking into the new 6,000-square-foot site on the

 

Promenade a

 

> success. After a six-month test, he'll consider expanding again to more

 

> sites."It'll be hard," he conceded while walking the darkened

 

interior of the original

 

> site. "We need to find some good, damaged wood, maybe a floor that

 

bows in

 

> like it does right here. We need to really break it in."Richard

 

Cherra, a

 

> regular for the past few years, has spent many a meal sprawled

 

across the

 

> rainbow-hued booths, drinking beer and refining his screenplay with

 

his friend Harry

 

> Klos. The 30-year-old writer from Culver City digs the layers of

 

history that

 

> have built up over the walls."You don't get this anywhere else in

 

L.A.," he said

 

> from a window booth. "Everything else changes every couple of years,

 

but this

 

> has been the same since Janis Joplin."Of the many musicians

 

associated with

 

> the joint, Joplin boasts the most colorful history. Allegedly, the

 

singer and

 

> Jim Morrison had a falling out one night, leading her to clock him

 

over the head

 

> with a bottle of booze. While Barney's doesn't claim this as gospel,

 

it does

 

> little to dispel the legend. In its various incarnations, the

 

restaurant has

 

> been a haunt for the music industry, roughneck bikers, college kids and

 

> tourists, often at the same time."We'd get drunk, come out of The

 

Troubadour and end

 

> up at Barney's," said Michael Ochs, who headed West Coast publicity for

 

> Columbia Records in the early 1970s and now runs a music photo

 

archive in Venice.

 

> "But I don't remember much, probably because we were always drunk.

 

It had

 

> incredibly busy decor, sort of a beatnik and biker crowd."It also

 

claims

 

> contemporary celebrities, as well. Quentin Tarantino used to spread

 

out his note pads on

 

> the collage-covered tables to pen his early screenplays surrounded

 

by the odd

 

> mishmash of pop culture.But the same lore that's made Barney's a

 

favorite for

 

> decades also proves to be its biggest challenge in branching out. So

 

much of

 

> its charm is built into its history, restaurant experts questioned

 

whether it

 

> could replicate the same feeling in a satellite location."I think

 

Barney's a

 

> one-of," said Andy Harris, producer of "The Mario Martinoli

 

Restaurant Show" on

 

> KFI-AM (640). "It was indigenous to West Hollywood, and has survived

 

and

 

> evolved along with the changes in that community. When you move that

 

to the Third

 

> Street Promenade, which is a completely different demographic with

 

much higher

 

> rent, I'm a little befuddled."Even Houston agrees that the idea of

 

multiple

 

> spots feels weird."It's almost like sacrilege to open a second

 

location," he

 

> said. "It's like your children finding out you've got a second

 

marriage."Despite

 

> the mixed emotions, he remains committed to branching out. Ever

 

since he took

 

> control of the Beanery, he's looked for new spots, certain that the

 

raucous

 

> atmosphere that he's loved for years will translate in far-flung

 

spots. For

 

> months, he and his sister Lisa, a manager at the restaurant, have

 

been scouring

 

> eBay, antique shops and yard sales for old signs, vintage pictures

 

and license

 

> plates. Armed with cartons of Americana, they aim to whip up 84

 

years of

 

> replicated history in a hurry."The challenge is to make them as

 

similar as

 

> possible," Houston said. "When you come into Barney's, it's just a

 

beaten-up old

 

> roadhouse. Why that works for people, I don't know. It works for me

 

though and,

 

> fortunately, there's enough people like me to make it work as a

 

business."

 

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Summerfest? I was born in Milwaukee and we have a HUGE music festival

 

(biggest in the world according to the Guinness Book of World Records)

 

called Summerfest. It's a ten day affair that ends on the Sunday

 

following July 4th.

 

 

 

Technically, I'm not whining, since no one bothered to trademark the

 

name, but it's just an observation.

 

 

 

We DID make a website for it called www.summerfest.com that you may

 

want to check out.

 

 

 

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> May 24, 2004

 

>

 

> I'm the Big Tomato and I approved this message:

 

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> WORLD'S LARGEST CATSUP BOTTLE GETS GRIZZLY

 

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> The Gateway Grizzlies are seeing red over one of their new

 

promotions! But actually,

 

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Catsup Bottle to

 

> promote the 6th annual Downtown Collinsville Summerfest Birthday

 

Party this July

 

> 11th.

 

>

 

> The Grizzlies are donating a portion of ticket sales to benefit

 

Collinsville's Main Street

 

> revitalization program. The Catsup Bottle Summerfest fundraiser

 

night at GMC

 

> Stadium is Monday, July 5th, against the River City Rascals. Tickets

 

are available online

 

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Collinsville at 618

 

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available at Collinsville

 

> Sports Store, Ashmann's Pharmacy, Evers Group of Pharmacies, Ostle's

 

Family

 

> Pharmacy, and the Downtown Collinsville office.

 

>

 

> The Gateway Grizzlies are ready to pour it on as defending champions

 

of the 2003

 

> independent Frontier League. The team is beginning its fourth season

 

and is based in

 

> Sauget, Illinois.

 

>

 

> The World's Largest Catsup Bottle is a 55-year-old roadside landmark

 

water tower

 

> listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It was saved

 

from demolition and

 

> restored in 1995 by a nationwide grassroots fundraising effort.

 

>

 

> Downtown Collinsville, Inc. is a 501©3 nonprofit organization

 

implementing the

 

> Illinois Main Street program and dedicated to the historic

 

preservation, promotion,

 

> and economic revitalization of the downtown Collinsville area.

 

>

 

> # # #

 

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> For Catsup Bottle information: www.catsupbottle.com

 

www.downtowncollinsville.com

 

> Downtown Collinsville, Inc. 618-345-5598

 

> Judy DeMoisy, The Catsup bottle Lady & Downtown Collinsville Manager

 

> Mike Gassmann, The Big Tomato

 

>

 

> For Gateway Grizzlies information: www.gatewaygrizzlies.com

 

> Gateway Grizzlies Baseball Club 618-337-3000

 

> Jackie Marko, Promotions Director

 

> Kelly Kicielinski, Ticket Sales Associate

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