Guest kendancy66 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "BringBackRoute66.com" <fredmcain@b...> wrote: > Dear Group, > > I would like very much to conduct a poll of all e-group members concerning a > new, official AASHTO U.S. Route designation for Old Route 66. > > Which one of the following proposals would you favor the most? Number 2 > > 2) A new Official U.S. 66 designation on the old road itself co- designating > on the Interstates for short distances to bridge gaps where an older, > historic alignment is simply no longer available. This scenario would > assume no significant "improvements" would be mandated to the historic > infrastructure. > > Fred M. Cain, > U.S. Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative > http://www.bringbackroute66.com > ********************************************************************** ******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Hi Fred, Here's a good page for a poll such as that: <http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/polls> Results will be permanently archived in our group poll files. God Bless and Happy Trails. the landrunner <http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "BringBackRoute66.com" <fredmcain@b...> wrote: > Dear Group, > > I would like very much to conduct a poll of all e-group members concerning a > new, official AASHTO U.S. Route designation for Old Route 66. > > Which one of the following proposals would you favor the most? > > 1) Re-designate the Old Road as a new, "Historic Bannered" U.S. Route by > designating a new mainline parent U.S. Route on the freeway that would > provide the support necessary for the paired bannered route. In other > words, an arrangement similar to the paired toll road/scenic route U.S. 412 > in eastern Oklahoma. > > 2) A new Official U.S. 66 designation on the old road itself co- designating > on the Interstates for short distances to bridge gaps where an older, > historic alignment is simply no longer available. This scenario would > assume no significant "improvements" would be mandated to the historic > infrastructure. > > 3) A new, "Historic Bannered" U.S. Route designation on the old road that > would simply have no mainline "parent". (Would require a modification of > AASHTO guidelines. > > 4) A new, official U.S. Route designation not specified above. (Please > share your idea with us.) > > There are nearly 200 members in our group. It would be so wonderful if we > could here from all of you. I already know that a few of you are opposed to > a new U.S. Route designation under any circumstance. Could those of you > opposed to a new U.S. Route designation share with us as to whether or not > you might change your mind *IF* certain criteria were to be met? What needs > to be done to make this concept acceptable to more (if not all) supporters > of the "Mother Road"? > > Fred M. Cain, > U.S. Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative > http://www.bringbackroute66.com > ********************************************************************** ******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Jeep Girl, I seem to recall seeing an outhouse at the Totem Pole place in Foyil, OK several years ago. Don't know if it's still there, however. Also, don't forget about the one at Route 66 Motors in Rolla...Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Carolyn Hasenfratz" <carolyn_hasenfratz@...> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I've been contacted by a man who takes photos of historic or just > plain old outhouses. He recently visited John's Modern Cabins for that > purpose and asked me if I had any ideas for sites to visit. I > suggested the Sno-Cap in Seligman and Red Oak II Missouri. Does anyone > else have any ideas that I could pass along to him? > > Thanks a lot! > > Carolyn Hasenfratz (Jeep Girl) > > www.chasenfratz.com > www.jmcnews.com > www.missouri66.org > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Just a reminder for you midwesterners, the National Road Yard Sale continues today through Sunday, June 4, from Baltimore to St. Louis. More info here: http://tinyurl.com/naoz3 There's a nice mention of the Tin Can Tourists in there too. Pat B. American Road Yahoo Group Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Ross Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Two Guns, Az., south of the bridge near the "rear end" of the property. Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hank Hallmark Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Just checking to see if I'm logged in as a member of this forum. I have been off-line due to a computer failure and my mailbox filled up. I went to yahoo.com and reinitialized my email address but I have not been receiving any mail from the American Road forum. Hank Hallmark Wrightwood, ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Ward Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Hank, Your e-mail made it to me. It looks like you are back on the list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Hank Hallmark<mailto:thehallmarks@earthlink.net> To: American Road<mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] just checking Just checking to see if I'm logged in as a member of this forum. I have been off-line due to a computer failure and my mailbox filled up. I went to yahoo.com and reinitialized my email address but I have not been receiving any mail from the American Road forum. Hank Hallmark Wrightwood, ca Visit our homepage at: <http://www.mockturtlepress.com/> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROAD/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERI CAN_ROAD/> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoo groups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest plyon66 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 In response to all the questions about the station at Cuba, Missouri-- In the next issue of "Show Me Route 66", the quarterly publication of The Route 66 Association of Missouri, there is already plans to include an article written by Kaisa Barthuli, Assistant Program Manager,Route 66 Corridor Preservation Program, that will explain all about the former Carr Service Station built around 1932. It is a "Type B" Phillips 66 cottage-style service station. In 2002, the owner applied for and received a $20,000 cost-share grant from the National Park Service Route 66 Corridor Preservation Program for the restoration of the station. The project included research on the history, current condition, and restoration needs of the property. Therefore, you can rest assured that the paint is correct and has an unusual twist to it. Read the next issue coming out in July, of "Show Me Route 66" for details. Glenda Pike, Editor "Show Me Route 66" magazine The Route 66 Association of Missouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I talked to my sister in law and here are a couple of ideas: 1) the Park Hotel, near Canal Park in Duluth...apparently a very nice place overlooking the harbor but not too expensive... 2) There are a few motels in Superior, WI (across the bay from Duluth on US 53) near the visitors center; one of these is the Edgewater.. they are apparently nice enough and offer, again, a nice view of the harbor...have passed these two and they are your traditional mom and pop styled motels...hope this helps; Tsingtao, kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reynolds" <roustabout@starband.net> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Looking for a motel in Duluth > Susan and I plan on driving to Duluth, MN around Labor Day. > We're going to check out the North Shore Highway and take a cruise > around the Apostle Islands, among other things. We were wondering > if anyone could recommend a motel there. Preferably a reasonably > priced "Mom and Pop" place. Good neon not a requirement, but a > plus:) > > Thanks, > > BabyBoomerBob > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chip Sealer Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 What we each wish to know about oiled roads is at http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mfreshoil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rwarn17588 Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 A fellow roadie is reporting news about Wrink's Market in Lebanon, Mo. http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/07/02...et-will-reopen/ Ron Warnick Tulsa, OK www.route66news.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILEYOTTER@AOL.COM Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Those are trolly / street cars... Not railroad cars BTW.. What today would be "Light Rail"..Just an FYI... Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest towelie Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "John Corcoran" <john@j...> wrote: > My guess would be that US 64 followed US67W through Searcy. > > Here's why: 67W was paved in the late 1920s, and the road marked 67E was a > gravel road alongside the Missouri Pacific railroad until 1950. Then, a > paved US67 bypass around the east side of Searcy was built, but this road > was a mile west of the old 67E. 67W, with a bit of re-routing, became > 67-City and 67E was abandoned. So 67W was the main route for Little > Rock-St. Louis traffic, and it would make sense that 64 would follow that > route. My gut feeling agrees with you, for the same reasons you give. Unless US 64 was split N-S as well, which is a possibility. A vintage picture of Searcy would settle the issue. > I suspect (though I can't really prove it) that this arrangement was because > of where bridges across the Little Red were. There was a railway bridge > next to 67E, but I think the main bridge across the river was north of > Searcy along the route of 67W up until the 1950s. The old 67E bridge at Judsonia is still there. Here are some snaps of it. Note that the road is still gravel. http://bridges.midwestplaces.com/ar/white/judsonia/ Here's the old 67W bridge: http://bridges.midwestplaces.com/ar/white/searcy/ It was replaced by a yawner of a concrete bridge that was built in 1986. I'm not sure if the bridge in the URL above lasted until 86, or if there was an interim bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest towelie Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Originally, US highway 271 ran from Fort Smith, Arkansas to Mena, Arkansas via Poteau, Oklahoma. The route basically followed OK 9A north of Pocola, and US 59 south of Poteau, the middle section was (mostly) on its current routing. It gets fuzzier south of Heavener. I've seen maps that show it following US 59/270 all the way to US 71, while other maps show it following (apparently) US 259 south to Big Cedar, where it picked up eastbound OK 63/AR 8 (then AR 88) to Mena. I uploaded entitled "" a map to the photo section. This map shows a 1927 and a 1928 map showing both routings. Now, it is possible that the highway was changed in 1928, but this is highly unlikely. My main questions are: If US 271 ran to the south of Rich Mountain (current OK 63/AR 8) how did it get from current US 59/270 to Big Cedar? The obvious answer is US 259, but maps don't seem to indicate this. Where did US 271 end in Mena? The possible locations are: -Acorn, at the current US 59-71-270 three-way junction -Mena, at the corner of Reeves and Reine -Mena, at the corner of Mena and US 71 (center of town) -Mena, at the corner of Mena and Janssen I'd like to get pictures for Dale Sanderson's US Highway Ends site (http://www.geocities.com/mapguy_denver/HwyEnds/) but I don't know where to take the picture. I've asked this question in several forums, and nobody has been able to provide an answer. If anybody has an official Arkansas or Oklahoma highway map from this era, that would possibly clear it up, or some pictures of signage (highly unlikely any such pictures exist). If anybody can answer my question, they get a gold star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R. Droz Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Thought I'd add that there is more information on the Dixie Highway at http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/fac/schul...onal/dixie.html and http://www.us-highways.com/dixiehwy.htm and http://www.us-highways.com/tzimm/dixietzim.htm - Does anyone know what happened to Thomas Zimmerman? -- ___________________________________________________________ Happy Motoring! _._._._.____~__ Robert V. Droz ( us98@earthlink.net ) [____________][___ U.S. Highways : From US 1 to (US 830) [________/____[_|__ http://www.us-highways.com/ ()() ()() () Route Logs - Standard Oil - Highway Makeover - Pics - Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I got a 1949 atlas that shows 271 running out of Fort Smith to just west of Sprio, OK, then south to Poteau to Talahina. There are to routes to Mena, AR, shown; one on 59/270 thru Heavener and Stapp, OK, to Acorn, AR, then south a short jog to Mena on 71/59. The other route is out of Talihina east over OK 63 thru Pine Valley, Muse and Big Cedar to the OK/AR line where it becomes AR 88 thru Mountainfork and Rocky to Mena. I got a 1930's AR road map in this pile somewhere - if I can find it today will check to see what that shows. Happy Traveling. Hudsonly, Alex B --- towelie <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote: > Originally, US highway 271 ran from Fort Smith, > Arkansas to Mena, > Arkansas via Poteau, Oklahoma. The route basically > followed OK 9A > north of Pocola, and US 59 south of Poteau, the > middle section was > (mostly) on its current routing. It gets fuzzier > south of > Heavener. I've seen maps that show it following US > 59/270 all the > way to US 71, while other maps show it following > (apparently) US 259 > south to Big Cedar, where it picked up eastbound OK > 63/AR 8 (then AR > 88) to Mena. I uploaded entitled "" a map to the > photo section. > This map shows a 1927 and a 1928 map showing both > routings. Now, it > is possible that the highway was changed in 1928, > but this is highly > unlikely. My main questions are: > > If US 271 ran to the south of Rich Mountain (current > OK 63/AR 8) how > did it get from current US 59/270 to Big Cedar? The > obvious answer > is US 259, but maps don't seem to indicate this. > > Where did US 271 end in Mena? The possible > locations are: > > -Acorn, at the current US 59-71-270 three-way > junction > -Mena, at the corner of Reeves and Reine > -Mena, at the corner of Mena and US 71 (center of > town) > -Mena, at the corner of Mena and Janssen > > I'd like to get pictures for Dale Sanderson's US > Highway Ends site > (http://www.geocities.com/mapguy_denver/HwyEnds/) > but I don't know > where to take the picture. > > I've asked this question in several forums, and > nobody has been able > to provide an answer. If anybody has an official > Arkansas or > Oklahoma highway map from this era, that would > possibly clear it up, > or some pictures of signage (highly unlikely any > such pictures > exist). > > If anybody can answer my question, they get a gold > star. > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Wish I had known about the Ciderville Music Store when I stopped by the airplane station (or maybe not since it would surely have made me late for where I was going:). That place looks as if it might be worth a trip just by itself. Adding that rock station at US-70/Eaton would clinch it. I actually attended the Knoxville World's Fair (and endured the massive detours that preceded it) and I'm fairly sure it was not quite as long ago as you claim in one of your captions (1882?). Thanks for the pix & info, Denny Gibson Cincinnati, OH www.DennyGibson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Reynolds [mailto:roustabout@starband.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:29 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Dixie Dreamin', Part 1 (long) > > > This is the first part of what I hope will be an ongoing saga > of exploring the Dixie Highway. This is not a writeup of a single > trip, but of several. Most were taken with Susan, but one was with > my brother, Lee. So if my references to my travel companion seem > inconsistant, that's why:) > > I've already written up most of the Tennessee Connector between > Chattanooga and Eaton's Crossroads. A few photos from this stretch > have been added, though, including a 1982 picture of the Dayton > Courthouse, the site of the 1925 "Monkey Trial". Once again, the > pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/user/babyboomerbob . > The first pictures are on the Tennessee Connector folder, the rest > in the East folder. > > ******* > > DIXIE DREAMING (PART 1) > > I have a dream. Not a very practical one, and not one that is > likely to be totally fulfilled, but a dream nonetheless. And that > is to explore the whole of the Dixie Highway system. Considering > that the Dixie Highway wasn't one linear entity, but two main trunk > routes with several connectors and alternate routes, it's quite a > challenge:) But I intend to at least do what I can with it. > > The closest spot to our place to start exploring is on the > Tennessee Connector at Eaton's Crossroads. Susan and I headed east > on US 70 towards Knoxville. Not far along we stopped to look at the > ruins of an old gas station. It's been long abandoned, and the roof > is caving in. Now, while some buildings are made of native stone, > this one looks like it was built of local rocks:) < Gas station > ruins 01-04> > > After joining Lee Highway at Dixie Lee Junction <Dixie Lee > Junction> we came upon the Court Cafe, a tiny mom and pop restaurant. > <Court Cafe 01-03>. It's the kind of place that depends on local > patrons. Their fried chicken is mighty fine:) > > Near the intersection with Lovell Road, I thought I had found a > treasure. The 11-70 Motor Court looked really nice from the road, > even showing evidence of carports by each room. Then I drove in. > It no longer seems to be a motel, but *very* low rent apartments:( > The former carports are now being used as open air storage. The > outside of the units don't look *that* bad, and the yellow color is > quite cheerful. It must have been a winner in its day. <11-70 Motor > Court> > > Approaching downtown Knoxville on Cumberland Avenue, we passed > through the neighborhood of Fort Sanders. Once a thriving > neighborhood, it now mostly consists of apartments for the students > at UT. There's a brand new pocket park there commemorating Ft. > Sanders' most famous son, James Agee. He immortalized Ft. Sanders > in his novel, "A Death in the Family." <James Age Park 01-03> > > Where the Dixie Highway heads north on Broadway, I took a > picture of the most obvious remnant of the 1982 World's Fair, the > sunsphere <Sunsphere>. Quite frankly, that fair was something I'd > just as soon forget about:) > > At the corner of Broadway and Magnolia we reached the end of > the Tennessee Connector and headed north on the Eastern Mainline. > We traveled Central Avenue north, even though I could only guess > that it was the original route. All the old roads through Sharp's > Gap were obliterated with the construction of the interstate, so it > took some serious detouring to get to my destination, Clinton > Highway (US 25W). We took a quick look at the Airplane Gas > Station. According to its web site, restoration is supposed to > start this month. We shall have to see how things go <Airplane Gas > Station 01-04> <East Folder>. > > Clinton Highway has, shall we say, a reputation as a place > lined with honkey tonks and trailer parks. There used to be a sign > along the road pointing out "Jacks or Better Mobile Home Park", but > it's gone now. A day late and a dollar short again:( However, > one important thing *did* occur in a mobile home off Clinton > Highway. A young, down on his luck country singer and songwriter > named Don Gibson was visited by his muse and in a single day wrote > two country classics, "Oh Lonesome Me" and "I can't stop Loving you". > > Lee and I found some particularly nice stretches of old > alignment in Anderson County. The concrete pavement has been quite > well preserved. <Old Clinton Highway 01-06, Bull Run Creek Bridge>. > > Also in Anderson County is a classic temple to hillbilly kitch, > the Ciderville Music Store. It's main business is selling > instruments for playing bluegrass music, but it's also a glorious > collection of humorous and historical stuff. <Ciderville Music 01-15> > There's everything from a guitar playing rooster <06> to Slewfoot > the attack bear <05> to an ad for Wildroot Cream oil, featuring > Fearless Fosdick, Al Capp's lampoon on Dick Tracy:) <07>. Susan > even posed with a string bass:) <11>. It's not easy to notice, but > she is wearing a "Save the Airplane Gas Station" t-shirt. I was > particularly struck by the school crossing sign <12>. I hadn't seen > one of these since I was in grammar school back in the late > fifties:) And it was in splendid condition! On the back was an ad > for coca cola. It really brought back memories:) > > I had intended to get a picture of the Clinch River Bridge at > Clinton, and now was the perfect opportunity. It's already four > lanes, so it *might* not be messed with for a while yet. <Clinch > River Bridge> > > I blinked several times when I saw Shylock's Pawn. I'm not so > sure if I'd want to deal here with a name like that:) <Shylock's > Pawn Shop>. > > On into downtown Clinton. The Ritz Theater has has a rather > checkered career, starting as a movie theater, then a theater for > live bluegrass, and now, so it seems, back to being a movie theater > again. The close up of the box office shows a very nice sandstone > facing. This is rather common around here, since there are quality > deposits of sandstone on Cumberland Mountain near Crossville. <Ritz > Theater, Ritz Theater boxoffice>. > > Lake City owes its name to TVA which built Norris Dam nearby in > 1936. Before then, it was named Coal Creek and was the site of some > bloody labor disputes in the early part of the last century. The > sign for the former Chapman Restaurant pretty much sticks out at you > as you're driving by. It's over a museum now, so hopefully, it will > at least be preserved if not restored <Old restaurant sign>. > > North of Lake City, 25W hops aboad the interstate and the old > road is signed TN Sec 116. I stopped along this leg to take a > picture of a nice railroad tunnel. <Railroad Tunnel> > > Lee and I continued on into Kentucky and spent the night at > Williamsburg. After a nap, we went out to explore the town. My > Microsoft atlas showed the old route through town so we wound up > downtown, wandering around. I took pictures of the Lane Theater > <Lane Theater 01,02>, and a neat old building with a corner door > that is now a hobby shop <hobby shop>. Then Lee took a picture of > me in a gazebo near the Cumberland River <BabyBoomerBob>. > > (Continued in part 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 To one step further, the 1941 AAA Tour Book, Western edition shows the routing between Oklahoma City and Little Rock going thru Heavener, Stapp and over to Acorn then to Ray and Mt. Ida. So from that I'd almost say the 59/270 route would be the prefered one. The 63/88 out of Talihina is shown, even in 1949, as unimproved. Hudsonly, Alex B --- Alex Burr <hester_nec@yahoo.com> wrote: > I got a 1949 atlas that shows 271 running out of > Fort Smith to just west of Sprio, OK, then south to > Poteau to Talahina. > > There are to routes to Mena, AR, shown; one on > 59/270 thru Heavener and Stapp, OK, to Acorn, AR, > then > south a short jog to Mena on 71/59. > > The other route is out of Talihina east over OK 63 > thru Pine Valley, Muse and Big Cedar to the OK/AR > line > where it becomes AR 88 thru Mountainfork and Rocky > to > Mena. > > I got a 1930's AR road map in this pile somewhere > - > if I can find it today will check to see what that > shows. > > Happy Traveling. > > Hudsonly, > Alex B > > --- towelie <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Originally, US highway 271 ran from Fort Smith, > > Arkansas to Mena, > > Arkansas via Poteau, Oklahoma. The route > basically > > followed OK 9A > > north of Pocola, and US 59 south of Poteau, the > > middle section was > > (mostly) on its current routing. It gets fuzzier > > south of > > Heavener. I've seen maps that show it following > US > > 59/270 all the > > way to US 71, while other maps show it following > > (apparently) US 259 > > south to Big Cedar, where it picked up eastbound > OK > > 63/AR 8 (then AR > > 88) to Mena. I uploaded entitled "" a map to the > > photo section. > > This map shows a 1927 and a 1928 map showing both > > routings. Now, it > > is possible that the highway was changed in 1928, > > but this is highly > > unlikely. My main questions are: > > > > If US 271 ran to the south of Rich Mountain > (current > > OK 63/AR 8) how > > did it get from current US 59/270 to Big Cedar? > The > > obvious answer > > is US 259, but maps don't seem to indicate this. > > > > Where did US 271 end in Mena? The possible > > locations are: > > > > -Acorn, at the current US 59-71-270 three-way > > junction > > -Mena, at the corner of Reeves and Reine > > -Mena, at the corner of Mena and US 71 (center of > > town) > > -Mena, at the corner of Mena and Janssen > > > > I'd like to get pictures for Dale Sanderson's US > > Highway Ends site > > (http://www.geocities.com/mapguy_denver/HwyEnds/) > > but I don't know > > where to take the picture. > > > > I've asked this question in several forums, and > > nobody has been able > > to provide an answer. If anybody has an official > > Arkansas or > > Oklahoma highway map from this era, that would > > possibly clear it up, > > or some pictures of signage (highly unlikely any > > such pictures > > exist). > > > > If anybody can answer my question, they get a gold > > star. > > > > > > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, > but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the > effort. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 From West Memphis North you can take old 61 pretty much uninhibited (from W. Memphis to the 63 intersection it is SR 77; then it is U.S. 61 from there into Missouri...Frenchman's Bayou, Wilson (an old plantation town); Osceola (with an awesome Courthouse and Bank and Trust Co); Blytheville; and, at the MO/ARK state line, a pretty cool little Arch over the highway to greet you to Missouri....Tim Steil gives cudos to this area in his book on Highway 61...Tsingtao Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: <egyptianzipper@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US 67 > In a message dated 7/13/05 9:20:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > brianwolters@cebridge.net writes: > So many people want to take I-40 to Memphis and go up I-55 and > that is just a waste of time and visually boring. > ==================================================================== > You're not going to believe this. A few years ago, the Washington (DC) Post > had an article on Niagara Falls in the Sunday travel section. I couldn't > believe the directions they gave: I-270 to 70 to 76 (Pittsburgh!) to 79 to 90 > (Erie!) to 190. Buffalo/Niagara Falls is a straight shot up US 15 from DC. > > I despise interstate mentality. > > Tom Hoffman > Pearisburg VA > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schultz, D&T Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Hi! I'm from Clarksville too! And a native of MO. Have a great time on your trip! Teri From: "roadstar37042" <roadstar37042@yahoo.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] hello from Clarksville,tn > I am new to this group and I just wanted to say hello to everyone. > Here in a few days I am going to take a short trip along route 66 in > Missouri. Just got back from driving the NM,TX and Oklahoma portion. > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 A 1950's map appears to have 64 coming out of conway and connecting with 67 South of Searcy and following 67 to Bald Knob...in the early 30's, it appears that 64 went from Conway into Little Rock; the road from Conway to 67, that would later become US 64 was at that time SR 60...Tsingtao Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Corcoran" <john@jecorcoran.org> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US 67 > My guess would be that US 64 followed US67W through Searcy. > > Here's why: 67W was paved in the late 1920s, and the road marked 67E was a > gravel road alongside the Missouri Pacific railroad until 1950. Then, a > paved US67 bypass around the east side of Searcy was built, but this road > was a mile west of the old 67E. 67W, with a bit of re-routing, became > 67-City and 67E was abandoned. So 67W was the main route for Little > Rock-St. Louis traffic, and it would make sense that 64 would follow that > route. > > I suspect (though I can't really prove it) that this arrangement was because > of where bridges across the Little Red were. There was a railway bridge > next to 67E, but I think the main bridge across the river was north of > Searcy along the route of 67W up until the 1950s. > > -J. > > ___________________________________ > john@jecorcoran.org is John Corcoran > Horn Lake, MS 38637 US http://jecorcoran.org > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Burr > Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18.21 > > 1941 AAA Tour Book, Western Edition, shows a major > route going thru Seracy, a minor (improved road) going > east. Doesn't show which way 64 goes, however. > Between Corning and Walnut Ridge 67 went west thru > Pocahontas, while a more direct route, not paved, was > AR 90. > > Hudsonly, > Alex B > > --- J Lance <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Here's a question that maybe somebody can answer. > > In the 30's, US 67 split > > into US 67W and 67E at Searcy. 67W went through > > town and 67E bypassed it to > > the east. US 64 overlaps US 67 between Beebe and > > Bald Knob. My question is > > this: Which route did US 64 follow? Every map I > > have seen just shows 67E > > and 67W with no mention of 64. US 167 also follows > > US 67, but it wasn't > > extended north of Little Rock until the 1960's. By > > then, 67W was renamed > > 67C and 67E was renamed plain old 67. > > > > Brian and Kerri Wolters wrote: > > > > > That is GREAT! And yes, I hope they preserve it. > > Also, in Minturn, the > > > road splits in a very odd manner. > > > > In what way? Looking at maps of the area, I don't > > see anything strange. > > > > There are some other highways in AR that have been > > named to the National > > Register of Historic Places. Parts of US 67 and 71 > > in southwest AR, and the > > old part of US 71 over Backbone Mountain south of > > Greenwood. This is > > definitely one of the best preserved stretches of > > old highway around. It > > was even nicer until the last five years or so, when > > they replaced a small > > pony truss bridge at the foot of the mountain. > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: > > http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE > > TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, > > Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a > > message via e-mail, send it to: > > AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Guest Brian and Kerri Wolters Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 That is a good question and it may be hard to find. I do know AR 367 is an old portion of US 67. But in Searcy, a AR 267 appears and that may be one of the east, west routes. And in East Searcy, there is a very odd and confusing junction that takes you up to Judsonia and south to Kenset. That may be the east route. The current AR 367 seems to make a turn into town rather than go to Kensett, which makes it the west route. This would be interesting to research more. --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "J Lance" <bugo@h...> wrote: > Here's a question that maybe somebody can answer. In the 30's, US 67 split > into US 67W and 67E at Searcy. 67W went through town and 67E bypassed it to > the east. US 64 overlaps US 67 between Beebe and Bald Knob. My question is > this: Which route did US 64 follow? Every map I have seen just shows 67E > and 67W with no mention of 64. US 167 also follows US 67, but it wasn't > extended north of Little Rock until the 1960's. By then, 67W was renamed > 67C and 67E was renamed plain old 67. > > Brian and Kerri Wolters wrote: > > > That is GREAT! And yes, I hope they preserve it. Also, in Minturn, the > > road splits in a very odd manner. > > In what way? Looking at maps of the area, I don't see anything strange. > > There are some other highways in AR that have been named to the National > Register of Historic Places. Parts of US 67 and 71 in southwest AR, and the > old part of US 71 over Backbone Mountain south of Greenwood. This is > definitely one of the best preserved stretches of old highway around. It > was even nicer until the last five years or so, when they replaced a small > pony truss bridge at the foot of the mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian and Kerri Wolters Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Yes..the Lodi roadside park is STILL there...and Lodi is as quaint as always. I ate there once too with my folks when I was 7 and I remember being visited by a Dog and it's puppies looking for scraps. US 67 has a lot to see..I'd love to check it out through Texas and north past Alton Missouri. --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@s...> wrote: > I almost forgot--and I hope it is still there (Jane would know)...there is a > little town North of Greenville called Lodi that has a really cool roadside > park...when I was at Boy Scout Camp, my dad would come up on Thursday with a > bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken and we would go there for a > feeding...awesome times! Tsingtao Kip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian and Kerri Wolters" <brianwolters@c...> > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:25 AM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US 67 > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@s...> wrote: > > > Don't forget the Dog N' Suds in Cherokee Pass! Tsingtao Kip > > > > How can I forget..it is one of the very original ones. Cherokee Pass is > > a great place to see when you go North...kind of an Oasis and really, > > the only eating places between PB and Federicktown. Greenville is a > > cute little town but nothing much there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285- 5434 > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > 98046-3168 > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@y... POST a message via e-mail, send it > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian and Kerri Wolters Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "towelie" <bugo@h...> wrote: > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "John Corcoran" <john@j...> > wrote: >> > The old 67E bridge at Judsonia is still there. Here are some snaps > of it. Note that the road is still gravel. > > http://bridges.midwestplaces.com/ar/white/judsonia/ > > Here's the old 67W bridge: > > http://bridges.midwestplaces.com/ar/white/searcy/ > Thanks for the links...I think I may make the short trip up there to look at the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest towelie Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@s...> wrote: > A 1950's map appears to have 64 coming out of conway and connecting with 67 > South of Searcy and following 67 to Bald Knob...in the early 30's, it > appears that 64 went from Conway into Little Rock; the road from Conway to > 67, that would later become US 64 was at that time SR 60...Tsingtao Kip Until 1932 or so, US 64 ended at Conway. What is now 64 between Conway and Beebe was AR 60. What is now 64 between Bald Knob and Marion was AR 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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