Guest jim conkle Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Just to let everyone know that starting on September 17 two Police Officers from London will be riding their bikes on Route 66 from Los Angeles to Chicago. Charles and Kevan are doing this to support the Starlight Children’s Foundation. Check out HYPERLINK "http://www.miles4smiles.co.uk/"www.miles4smiles.co.uk for more information. I have been working with them for over a year in getting this set up. Now is the time to announce to the Route 66 Community to ask that you too get involved. They will need lodging and meals as they go. Plus any media coverage you can get for them. I recommend that you get in touch with all of your Police agencies and share this with them. There is a code of the badge where all law enforcement people are brothers/sisters and usually want to support fellow officers. This would be a great opportunity for each of you to bring them together. They are also looking for folks to ride with them as they move east on Route 66. They will be at the Rendezvous on Friday the 16th and for those of you that will be at the luncheon you will get to meet them. I will be adding them to my lunch attendees David. Please get in touch with them to offer your assistance and support. Thanks James M. Conkle Executive Director California Route 66 Preservation Foundation P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760 617 3991 cell 760 868 3320 760 868 8614 fax jim@cart66pf.org www.cart66pf.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grandall52 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hello Fellow Roadies, Last week I had the opportunity to accompany Jim Conkle and fellow preservationists to Washington DC for the support of the Route 66 Corridor Act and the release of the appropriated money. I think this is extremely important not only for Route 66 but also for all the historic highways and byways in America. Route 66 has "brand recognition" and sometimes it seems to over shadow the other great historic roads. But when it comes to preservation of our historic roads, Route 66 will be the one to lead the way because of this celebrated status. It is crucial that preservation wins out on the Route 66 so we can turn our attention to the other historic roads. I went to Washington DC to show my support for Route 66 and to chronicle the events as they unfolded on our web site. I know I'm running a little behind on the DC Trip web site. I was hoping to update some pages from Washington DC as the events unfolded but things didn't work out. Our little group packed in some long hours and by the time I got back to my room it was late and I was beat. Anyhow, I've finally completed the Washington DC Trip web site. It was an unbelievable experience and one that did a lot of good for our Route 66 preservation cause which in the end will help all historic highways I think. I was happily surprised by all the positive feedback we got for Route 66 from everyone one we talked to. I think the professionalism and enthusiasm of our group impressed the people we talked to on Capitol Hill also. All in all I think we've opened some pretty important doors for our cause. I could go on and on about all the great things that happened on our trip to Washington DC but I won't. Instead I'll direct you to the web site that I've finally uploaded and let you see for yourself. I have a feeling this is the first trip of many, in fact Jim Conkle and Glen Duncan will be going back to Washington DC for the Preservation Action Lobby Day with the National Trust for Historic Preservation in March. But for now I hope you'll take a peek at what Jim Conkle, Glen Duncan, Michael Wallis, Dawn Welch, Patty Kuhn, Steve Henthorn, Diana Hutton and I did last week. If some of those names are unfamiliar to you they won't be after you check out the web site. You can see how the Washington DC trip went at: http://www.cart66pf.org/DC/ I hope you enjoy. And remember – Keep on Truckin' America's Historic Highways! Guy Randall http://www.theroadwanderer.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jenniferrt66 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks for posting that Guy...I was wondering how it turned out. Great to hear! I hope that more funds will be released and more businesses able to utilize them. Terrific site! Thanks again for your tireless (but not thankless!) efforts! Jennifer --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "grandall52" <grandall@c...> wrote: > Hello Fellow Roadies, > > Last week I had the opportunity to accompany Jim Conkle and fellow > preservationists to Washington DC for the support of the Route 66 > Corridor Act and the release of the appropriated money. I think this > is extremely important not only for Route 66 but also for all the > historic highways and byways in America. Route 66 has "brand > recognition" and sometimes it seems to over shadow the other great > historic roads. But when it comes to preservation of our historic > roads, Route 66 will be the one to lead the way because of this > celebrated status. It is crucial that preservation wins out on the > Route 66 so we can turn our attention to the other historic roads. I > went to Washington DC to show my support for Route 66 and to > chronicle the events as they unfolded on our web site. I know I'm > running a little behind on the DC Trip web site. I was hoping to > update some pages from Washington DC as the events unfolded but > things didn't work out. Our little group packed in some long hours > and by the time I got back to my room it was late and I was beat. > Anyhow, I've finally completed the Washington DC Trip web site. It > was an unbelievable experience and one that did a lot of good for > our Route 66 preservation cause which in the end will help all > historic highways I think. I was happily surprised by all the > positive feedback we got for Route 66 from everyone one we talked > to. I think the professionalism and enthusiasm of our group > impressed the people we talked to on Capitol Hill also. All in all I > think we've opened some pretty important doors for our cause. I > could go on and on about all the great things that happened on our > trip to Washington DC but I won't. Instead I'll direct you to the > web site that I've finally uploaded and let you see for yourself. I > have a feeling this is the first trip of many, in fact Jim Conkle > and Glen Duncan will be going back to Washington DC for the > Preservation Action Lobby Day with the National Trust for Historic > Preservation in March. But for now I hope you'll take a peek at what > Jim Conkle, Glen Duncan, Michael Wallis, Dawn Welch, Patty Kuhn, > Steve Henthorn, Diana Hutton and I did last week. If some of those > names are unfamiliar to you they won't be after you check out the > web site. You can see how the Washington DC trip went at: > > http://www.cart66pf.org/DC/ > > I hope you enjoy. And remember – Keep on Truckin' America's Historic > Highways! > > Guy Randall > http://www.theroadwanderer.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sundayjohn66 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Guy did an excellent job with the Web site. Speaking of great Webmasters, Jennifer has updated the Friends of the Mother Road Web site to include an action alert regarding the Meadow Gold sign on Route 66 in Tulsa. If you want the dirt, go to: http://friendsofthemotherroad.org/meadowgold.htm Jennifer does a fantastic job of helping us get the word out about preservation with our Web site. Emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I just got a 1934 Missouri road map - the city map of St. Louis shows the following bridges: To the north - Chain of Rocks carrying U S 66 and Byp. 40; Next - the McKinley Bridge coming in from Madison and Venice to Salisbury Street; Next moving south - the Eads Bridge coming off of Broadway in E. St. Louis to Washington Street in St. Louis; Last to the south - the "Muncipal Toll Bridge" coming off 10th Street in E. St. Louis to Choteau Avenue in St. Louis. Passes near the Cahokia Power Plant in EStL and carries, according to the map, U S Routes 40, 50, City 66 and 67. City 66 is shown in E. St. Louis with 67 and 40 coming down 9th St., the a jog onto 10th Street, the across the Municipa bridge, turning left on 12th Street, which turns into Gravois Avenue, then into New Watson. Another routing is shown as City 66 running south from the Chain of Rocks Bridge down Riverview Drive, Broadway, Calvery, Florissanatand joining the other City 66 at the end of the Municipal Bridge; 50 turns into Manchester Road; City 40 splits off 40 as By-Pass 40 to the east in Troy, IL. It runs down Olive St., in St. Louis, as City 40, turns north on Union Blvd and joins 40 (which is shown running down Cass Ave which turns into Page Avenue; By-pass 40 co-signs with 66 across the Chain of Rocks, then down Lindberg Blvd to Natural Bridge Road out by the now names St. Louis International Airport; 67 runs down 7th/Broadway/Davis/Lemay Ferry Road. In my 1941 Western States AAA tour guide book a map of St. Louis shows a 5th bridge being under construction crossing just north of Eads bridge off St. Clair Avenue near 9th St in EStL connecting to Broadway in St. Louis. I looked up the Municipal Toll Bridge to see what info I could find - all I could find was that it was re-named the Douglas MacArthur Bridge in 1942. Sure would have hated to try and follow these convolutions thru St. Louis with a hangover!!! LOL Hudsonly, Alex B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank P. Maloney Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hi All - Sounds like a great map. Any chance you could scan that map to an image for the rest of us? Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Frank, Scanned the St. Louis city map from the 1934 Missouri map and posted it on the American Roads egroup site. Hudsonly, Alex B --- "Frank P. Maloney" <frank.maloney@villanova.edu> wrote: > Hi All - > > Sounds like a great map. Any chance you could scan > that map to an image > for the rest of us? > > Frank. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Calendar listings are offered on a first come, first serve basis.) March 13, Las Vegas, Nev.—NASCAR UAW-DAIMLER CHRYSLER 400 will host NASCAR's top racer's, including Las Vegas native and 2004 Nextel Cup Champion Kurt Busch, will convene in Las Vegas for part of the Nextel Cup Series. As in years past, more than 140,000 spectators are expected to attend the event at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. http://www.nascar.com/races/tracks/las/.. March 29, Seattle, Wash.—SIXTEENTH ANNUAL ANTHONY'S OYSTER OLYMPICS fundraiser benefiting the Puget Soundkeeper Alliance. Celebrating 16 years of unabashed bivalve boosting to support a clean Puget Sound. Taste 20 varieties of local oysters--the best oysters in the world--with Washington wines and Red Hook ales. Fun for all: Celebrity Oyster Slurp, restaurant competitions, shucking championship, Washington's largest oyster contest, oyster-themed "fashion" judging, oyster art, silent auction and more. Oysters, oysters, oysters--nude, stewed and BBQ-ed--but you don't have to be an oyster lover to join the fun. Bountiful buffet by Anthony's. Tickets: $85. Advance purchase only. For tickets contact the Puget Soundkeeper Alliance: 206-297-7002. http:// www.pugetsoundkeeper.org/ April 7-10, Taos, NM.—New Mexico Heritage Preservation Alliance. Taos Convention Center. The conference is the best resource for professional and amateur preservationists and historians in the state of New Mexico. See http:// www.nmheritage.org for details. April 10. Sopchoppy, Flor.—Sopchoppy Worm Gruntin' Festival. From 8:00 AM to 11:00 PM there will be live music and entertainment for the family including the Worm Grunter's 5K Race and the crowning of Worm Monarch! In the evening,dance under the stars at the Worm Grunter's Ball. A donation is welcomed at the dance. www.wakullacounty.com/ worm_festival.htm for details. April 17, Phoenix, Ariz.—The Copperstate 1000, organized by the Museum's Men's Arts Council, is an annual 4-day vintage auto rally that travels 1,000 miles through Arizona, alternating its route either through the high country in the north, or through the Sonoran desert in the south. This year, the route will travel through northern and western Arizona to Las Vegas, Nevada and return to Scottsdale. Proceeds from the annual Copperstate 1000 benefit Phoenix Art Museum.call (602) 307-2060 or visit the Copperstate 1000 web site at http:// www.copperstate1000.com. April 29-May 1. Seligman, Ariz.—Historic Route 66 Association of Arizona's 18th Annual Fun Run. This three-day event begins in Seligman and travels 140 miles of Route 66 to Topock/Golden Shores. Vehicle registration is open to "anything with wheels that runs in 2005!" You'll enjoy the classic cars, fabulous food, and the drive! Phone( 928) 753-5001 or see http:www.azrt66.com for information. April 29 - May 1.Tupelo, Miss.—3rd Annual Blue Suede Cruise. Join in the fun at the Bancorp South Center and Tupelo Automobile Museum (Hwy 45 South and Main Street)—rain or shine. Events include a car show, parade, poker run, swap meet, car corral, and live entertainment. Registration fee before 4/15/05 - $30.00 After: $40.00. Contact: Janice Collins at jcollins@tupeloauto.com or check out www.bluesc.com. June 1-5. Historic National Road, Indiana.— Second Annual Dawn to Dusk Yard Sale from Richmond to Terre Haute, Indiana. Over 157 miles of bargains, antiques, fresh produce and furniture along the historic National Road (US 40)—aka Antique Alley. Call Patricia McDaniel at 765-478-4809. June 2-4, AUBURN, IND.—American Truck Historical Society National Convention & Antique Truck Show Kruse Auction Park. Convention & Truck Show ATHS has held a national convention each year since 1972, alternating between the East Coast, West Coast and Central regions of the U.S. An antique truck show was added to the convention in 1979. Since then, participation in the national antique truck show has grown from 23 trucks in 1979 to a record 700 trucks at the 2000 show in Valley Forge, Pa.Info: ATHS, (816) 891-9900; E-mail: info@aths.org; Internet: June 7-11. Ely, Nev.—Lincoln Highway Association Annual Convention. The opening dinner kicks off with Will Rogers (aka Chautauqua speaker, Doug Watson). The weeks' events include a visit to historic McGill Drug Store and a trip aboard Ely's train chugging alongside several alignments of the Lincoln Highway. www.lincolnhighway.com. June 10-12. Ipswich, So Dak.—Trail Days. Ipswich is the 1912 home of the Yellowstone Trail and the concept of Trail Days— where town residents would work on the road and picnic. This year's celebration includes a classic car show and a Bull Riding Bonanza followed by a country band concert. June 11-12. Seaside, Oreg.—Muscle Beach Cruiz. This second annual event is presented by Seaside Downtown Development Association and Flashback Promotions. Festivities include a welcome party, show and shine, walking poker run, and a cruise. Obtain muscle car entry details by contacting 503-717- 8530 or flashback@pacifier.com. July 8-10, Seaside, Oreg.—Bikefest at Seaside. Going Coastal on US 101? Go to Seaside, where you'll find a bike show, welcome party, the beach, vendors, live entertainment,and an opportunity to win a new Harley Davidson Sportster Motorscycle. Proceeds benefit prostate cancer research. Call 503-717-8530 or check out http:/ /www.flashbackinseaside.com for details. July 10, Collinsville, Ill.—The World's Largest Catsup Bottle Summerfest Birthday Party & Car Show Bash. Fun for the whole family! 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Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Yo! Some good news I read with the coffee this morn: Acc to our local rag, the budget submitted by the gov of Illinois includes 39.5 million dollars to repair the McKinley Bridge. It is contingent on an agreement to payoff of bondholders (article sez "who financed the building of the bridge in 1958, which cant be right; apparently there is an agreement in the works to pay the bondholder 1.7 million of the 4.8 million owed.)...and finding some entity to take possession of the property that the bridge connects to in St. Louis...the feds have already put up 38.5 million...according to the article, bids could go out in the Spring and the bridge could be reopened by 2006. The bridge will have two lanes for traffic, and the two lanes that go along the outside of the bridge will be for pedestrian traffic... Hopefully the bondholders will get paid off and somebody can figure something out about taking care of the Missouri side (I would like to say that is a "no brainer", but weve managed to screw simpler things up before)...Natalie will be getting ready for training wheels about then! Tsingtao, Kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Reynolds Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "terry12622000" <cottondrop@a...> wrote: > From the song and the movie it is said to be out on Kingston Pike. Is > the Thunder Road North or South of Knoxville, TN.? As nearly as I can figure out, this is how it goes. From Harlan, KY, south on US 119 to Pineville. South on US 25E across Cumberland Gap to Tazewell, TN. Southwest on TN 33, through Maynardville to Halls Crossroads. South on US 441 (Broadway, then Henley St.) into downtown Knoxiousville. West on Cumberland Ave (US 11-70) which becomes Kingston Pike, to finis at Bearden. A brief note about Cumberland Gap. It is no longer possible to drive through the gap. There's a new tunnel in the immediate area, and the gap has been returned, as much as possible, to the way it was during Daniel Boone's day. You have to hike the gap these days. But back then, the road crossed from KY to VA at the actual gap. Just a couple of miles later, it dropped south into the town of Cumberland Gap, TN. So anyway Terry, the answer to your question is Thunder Road approached Knoxville from the north. Happy travels, BabyBoomerBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Bob, You're pretty close - but, that's Hollywood. One thing running moon, you tried your best to stay off the main roads and, especially, out of cities. To easy to get boxed in in a city. There's an old road from Halls Cross-Road, thru Powell Station and Byington that used to link up with U S 11/70 (Kingston Pike) that would have probably been used before going thru Bearden. Not sure if it's still in use, but probably is. That would have been one route around Knoxville. Another would have been thru Maynarville, then over TN 61 thru Clinton, Olive Springs, to Harriman, then either Kingston or SW thru Rockwood. Those hills are honeycombed with back roads that would have been used - the runners knew them like they knew their kitchen floor, the federals didn't. Especially you avoided any road that could bring you into a junction where you had no place to go. There was always a network of spotters - a lantern hanging from a tree, or in somebody's window, told you that the way you were going was covered, so take another route. I tend to think most runners would avoid places like Cumberland Gap like the plague - to obvious a route. There are other roads to, and around Knoxville, and other cities, that would be used. But, as I say, that's Hollywood - makes for a darn good, and exciting, story. Happy Traveling. Hudsonly, Alex B --- Bob Reynolds <roustabout@starband.net> wrote: > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, > "terry12622000" > <cottondrop@a...> wrote: > > From the song and the movie it is said to be out > on Kingston Pike. > Is > > the Thunder Road North or South of Knoxville, > TN.? > > As nearly as I can figure out, this is how it goes. > > From Harlan, KY, south on US 119 to Pineville. > > South on US 25E across Cumberland Gap to Tazewell, > TN. > > Southwest on TN 33, through Maynardville to Halls > Crossroads. > > South on US 441 (Broadway, then Henley St.) into > downtown > Knoxiousville. > > West on Cumberland Ave (US 11-70) which becomes > Kingston Pike, to > finis at Bearden. > > A brief note about Cumberland Gap. It is no longer > possible to > drive through the gap. There's a new tunnel in the > immediate area, > and the gap has been returned, as much as possible, > to the way it > was during Daniel Boone's day. You have to hike the > gap these days. > But back then, the road crossed from KY to VA at the > actual gap. > Just a couple of miles later, it dropped south into > the town of > Cumberland Gap, TN. > > So anyway Terry, the answer to your question is > Thunder Road > approached Knoxville from the north. > > Happy travels, > > BabyBoomerBob > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Flynn Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 I've just been informed that Doug Pappas, owner of www.roadsidephotos.com, passed away yesterday. While Doug was an ardent RoadGeeker, I knew him most as a baseball analyst - having authored many columns for Baseball Prospectus (www.baseballprospectus.com). He will be missed. More information: This post from Christian at All-Baseball.com: I just received the following email from John Zajc, Executive Director of SABR: ========== I just spoke with Carolyn Pappas, Doug Pappas' mother, and was told of the terrible news that Doug passed away while vacationing in Big Bend National Park in Texas. It appears that the cause was heat prostration. Doug is survived only by his mother. She asks that I get the word out to all his SABR friends, who are many, since Doug did so much for the organization. As arrangements are made, I will make them known to the SABR community. Our sympathies go to Carolyn. ========== This is truly sad news. Doug was a huge part of the baseball analysis community, through SABR and his chairmanship of the Business of Baseball Committee, through his articles on Baseball Prospectus, and through his Business of Baseball blog. He was easily the most knowledgeable person I knew about the inner working of baseball, and while I never had the opportunity to meet him in person, he was always available via email or phone to answer any questions I had about the CBA, MLB ownership, or just about anything else baseball-related. My thoughts go out to his mother. He will be sorely missed. Link to obit at SABR (Society of American Baseball Research): http://www.sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,767,40 From Baseball Prospectus: In Memoriam: Doug Pappas Doug Pappas, attorney and writer, died Thursday while hiking in Big Bend National Park, apparently due to heat prostration. Doug died while taking part in one of his passions, traveling the country and taking pictures of it for his Roadside Photos web site. It was through another of his passions, baseball, that Doug made his name. Doug's determination to get at the truth about the baseball's business issues made him one of the game's most influential writers. He was an active, and popular, member of the Society for American Baseball Research, and a good friend to all of us at Baseball Prospectus. We'll miss our colleague, we'll miss a great writer, but mostly, we'll miss our friend. To Doug's family, especially his mother Carolyn, and to Doug's many friends throughout baseball, we offer our deepest condolences. Doug Pappas Author Archive at Baseball Prospectus: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/?author=51 Andrew Flynn Chandler, AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Reynolds Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> wrote: > Bob, > > You're pretty close - but, that's Hollywood. One > thing running moon, you tried your best to stay off > the main roads and, especially, out of cities. To > easy to get boxed in in a city. Oh, I'm quite aware that this is the Hollywood version:) I can't imagine going straight through downtown Knoxiousville. Wouldn't make a bit of sense:) > > There's an old road from Halls Cross-Road, thru > Powell Station and Byington that used to link up with > U S 11/70 (Kingston Pike) that would have probably > been used before going thru Bearden. Not sure if it's > still in use, but probably is. That would have been > one route around Knoxville. That road is still around, and is now marked as TN sec. 131. It connects to Kingston Pike at Lovell Road, beyond Bearden. > > Another would have been thru Maynarville, then over > TN 61 thru Clinton, Olive Springs, to Harriman, then > either Kingston or SW thru Rockwood. > > Those hills are honeycombed with back roads that > would have been used - the runners knew them like they > knew their kitchen floor, the federals didn't. Let's face it. there isn't much on the route I proposed that would count as "roads that angels feared to tread" > >Happy travels to all, BabyBoomerBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 I'm saddened to hear of Doug's passing, and am forwarding this e-mail to the Lincoln Highway group. I corresponded with Doug starting about 15 years ago, as we were both ardent roadside enthusiasts and collectors. The only time we met in person was at the first Lincoln Highway Association (LHA) National Conference in Bedford, PA 13 years ago. We were both charter members of the Lincoln Highway Association. Doug went on to become the LHA New York State Director, and later he produced an LH driving guide for NY and NJ. Doug was not able to attend any subsequent LHA Conferences as it always conflicted with a Baseball event. Doug was well known for his frequent cross-country roadtrips on various US highways, as evidenced by his web-site. As far as I know Doug was only in his early '50s so this is quite a surprise. ypsi-slim Russell S. Rein On Sat, 22 May 2004 06:44:05 -0700 "Andrew Flynn" <andrew@acflynn.com> writes: > I've just been informed that Doug Pappas, owner of > www.roadsidephotos.com, > passed away yesterday. > > While Doug was an ardent RoadGeeker, I knew him most as a baseball > analyst - > having authored many columns for Baseball Prospectus > (www.baseballprospectus.com). He will be missed. > > More information: > > This post from Christian at All-Baseball.com: > > I just received the following email from John Zajc, Executive > Director of SABR: > > ========== > > I just spoke with Carolyn Pappas, Doug Pappas' mother, and was told > of the > terrible news that Doug passed away while vacationing in Big Bend > National Park > in Texas. It appears that the cause was heat prostration. Doug is > survived only > by his mother. > > She asks that I get the word out to all his SABR friends, who are > many, since > Doug did so much for the organization. > > As arrangements are made, I will make them known to the SABR > community. > > Our sympathies go to Carolyn. > > ========== > > This is truly sad news. Doug was a huge part of the baseball > analysis community, > through SABR and his chairmanship of the Business of Baseball > Committee, through > his articles on Baseball Prospectus, and through his Business of > Baseball blog. > He was easily the most knowledgeable person I knew about the inner > working of > baseball, and while I never had the opportunity to meet him in > person, he was > always available via email or phone to answer any questions I had > about the CBA, > MLB ownership, or just about anything else baseball-related. > > My thoughts go out to his mother. He will be sorely missed. > > > Link to obit at SABR (Society of American Baseball Research): > http://www.sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,767,40 > > > From Baseball Prospectus: > > In Memoriam: Doug Pappas > > Doug Pappas, attorney and writer, died Thursday while hiking in Big > Bend > Park, apparently due to heat prostration. > > Doug died while taking part in one of his passions, traveling the > country and > taking pictures of it for his Roadside Photos web site. > > It was through another of his passions, baseball, that Doug made his > name. > Doug's determination to get at the truth about the baseball's > business issues > made him one of the game's most influential writers. > > He was an active, and popular, member of the Society for American > Baseball > Research, and a good friend to all of us at Baseball Prospectus. > > We'll miss our colleague, we'll miss a great writer, but mostly, > we'll miss our > friend. > > To Doug's family, especially his mother Carolyn, and to Doug's many > friends > throughout baseball, we offer our deepest condolences. > > > Doug Pappas Author Archive at Baseball Prospectus: > http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/?author=51 > > > > Andrew Flynn > Chandler, AZ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE > 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA > 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: > AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, > send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 My sympathies to the family...Doug sent me a wonderful picture of the Arch on the Mo/Ark border circa 1992...truly sad; if there is anything we can do let us know...Kip and Quinn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Flynn" <andrew@acflynn.com> To: <>; <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>; <>; <bgwald@umich.edu>; "'Sharik, Stan'" <>; "'Stan Sharik'" <sds1825@yahoo.com>; "Alex Turell" <aturell@bearingpoint.net> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Doug Pappas > I've just been informed that Doug Pappas, owner of www.roadsidephotos.com, > passed away yesterday. > > While Doug was an ardent RoadGeeker, I knew him most as a baseball analyst - > having authored many columns for Baseball Prospectus > (www.baseballprospectus.com). He will be missed. > > More information: > > This post from Christian at All-Baseball.com: > > I just received the following email from John Zajc, Executive Director of SABR: > > ========== > > I just spoke with Carolyn Pappas, Doug Pappas' mother, and was told of the > terrible news that Doug passed away while vacationing in Big Bend National Park > in Texas. It appears that the cause was heat prostration. Doug is survived only > by his mother. > > She asks that I get the word out to all his SABR friends, who are many, since > Doug did so much for the organization. > > As arrangements are made, I will make them known to the SABR community. > > Our sympathies go to Carolyn. > > ========== > > This is truly sad news. Doug was a huge part of the baseball analysis community, > through SABR and his chairmanship of the Business of Baseball Committee, through > his articles on Baseball Prospectus, and through his Business of Baseball blog. > He was easily the most knowledgeable person I knew about the inner working of > baseball, and while I never had the opportunity to meet him in person, he was > always available via email or phone to answer any questions I had about the CBA, > MLB ownership, or just about anything else baseball-related. > > My thoughts go out to his mother. He will be sorely missed. > > > Link to obit at SABR (Society of American Baseball Research): > http://www.sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,767,40 > > > From Baseball Prospectus: > > In Memoriam: Doug Pappas > > Doug Pappas, attorney and writer, died Thursday while hiking in Big Bend > National Park, apparently due to heat prostration. > > Doug died while taking part in one of his passions, traveling the country and > taking pictures of it for his Roadside Photos web site. > > It was through another of his passions, baseball, that Doug made his name. > Doug's determination to get at the truth about the baseball's business issues > made him one of the game's most influential writers. > > He was an active, and popular, member of the Society for American Baseball > Research, and a good friend to all of us at Baseball Prospectus. > > We'll miss our colleague, we'll miss a great writer, but mostly, we'll miss our > friend. > > To Doug's family, especially his mother Carolyn, and to Doug's many friends > throughout baseball, we offer our deepest condolences. > > > Doug Pappas Author Archive at Baseball Prospectus: > http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/?author=51 > > > > Andrew Flynn > Chandler, AZ > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest terry12622000 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thanks.--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reynolds" <roustabout@s...> wrote: > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@y...> > wrote: > > Bob, > > > > You're pretty close - but, that's Hollywood. One > > thing running moon, you tried your best to stay off > > the main roads and, especially, out of cities. To > > easy to get boxed in in a city. > > Oh, I'm quite aware that this is the Hollywood version:) I can't > imagine going straight through downtown Knoxiousville. Wouldn't > make a bit of sense:) > > > > There's an old road from Halls Cross-Road, thru > > Powell Station and Byington that used to link up with > > U S 11/70 (Kingston Pike) that would have probably > > been used before going thru Bearden. Not sure if it's > > still in use, but probably is. That would have been > > one route around Knoxville. > > That road is still around, and is now marked as TN sec. 131. It > connects to Kingston Pike at Lovell Road, beyond Bearden. > > > > Another would have been thru Maynarville, then over > > TN 61 thru Clinton, Olive Springs, to Harriman, then > > either Kingston or SW thru Rockwood. > > > > Those hills are honeycombed with back roads that > > would have been used - the runners knew them like they > > knew their kitchen floor, the federals didn't. > > Let's face it. there isn't much on the route I proposed that would > count as "roads that angels feared to tread" > > > >Happy travels to all, > > BabyBoomerBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roamndav Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thanks Russell, for sharing that article. I was born & raised in Iowa, and Iowa is certainly not what comes to mind when you talk famous roads. I hope this helps bring a little business and renewed interest to the area.. Jeff in Tucson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest james conkle Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Good Evening Folks, Well my schedule is set and I will be arriving in Tulsa on Sunday afternoon the 22nd at 4:08. I leave on Wednesday morning. To bring you all up to date on the project will be held on Tuesday the 24th with the media event taking place at 9 a.m. The local Hampton Inns will be providing the people to do the actual work but for those of you that have attend one of our past restoration projects know you are all welcome to attend and pitch in where asked. I will need to get the posts in the ground on Monday so if any of you can assist me please let me know or I will have to hire some strong bodies to do the work (I was broadsided yesterday by a lady that ran a stop sign, no I will not be in a full body cast just a neck brace) At this time I am not sure which Hampton I will be staying at but I would like to get to see all of you sometime while in Tulsa. I have asked Marion to work on getting the mayor to attend and asked each of you to also get in touch with folks you feel would add to the event. This is really your event as Hampton and I are there on you’re behalf. If there is anything that I can do for any of you while I am in town please let me know. Bard could you invite that young assembly member that was at the Blue Whale event. Looking forward to seeing all of you in two weeks. Thanks James M Conkle Executive Director California Route 66 Preservation Foundation P O Box 290066 Phelan, CA 92329-0066 760 617 3991 cell 760 868 3320 760 868 8614 fax HYPERLINK "mailto:"jim@cart66pf.org www.cart66pf.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BringBackRoute66.com Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Dear Group, I would like very much to conduct a poll of all e-group members concerning a new, official AASHTO U.S. Route designation for Old Route 66. Which one of the following proposals would you favor the most? 1) Re-designate the Old Road as a new, "Historic Bannered" U.S. Route by designating a new mainline parent U.S. Route on the freeway that would provide the support necessary for the paired bannered route. In other words, an arrangement similar to the paired toll road/scenic route U.S. 412 in eastern Oklahoma. 2) A new Official U.S. 66 designation on the old road itself co-designating on the Interstates for short distances to bridge gaps where an older, historic alignment is simply no longer available. This scenario would assume no significant "improvements" would be mandated to the historic infrastructure. 3) A new, "Historic Bannered" U.S. Route designation on the old road that would simply have no mainline "parent". (Would require a modification of AASHTO guidelines. 4) A new, official U.S. Route designation not specified above. (Please share your idea with us.) There are nearly 200 members in our group. It would be so wonderful if we could here from all of you. I already know that a few of you are opposed to a new U.S. Route designation under any circumstance. Could those of you opposed to a new U.S. Route designation share with us as to whether or not you might change your mind *IF* certain criteria were to be met? What needs to be done to make this concept acceptable to more (if not all) supporters of the "Mother Road"? Fred M. Cain, U.S. Route 66 Re-commissioning Initiative http://www.bringbackroute66.com ***************************************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hey all...I had to get some stamps today and my post office had in stock the Lewis & Clark Bicentennial stamps: http://shop.usps.com/images/04_louisandclark37_f.jpg This is the first time I'd bought these & they're very unique, as far as stamps are concerned. They have the look and feel of money. Not sure how long these have been out (perhaps our resident retired postal worker can shed some light here), but they're a neat change from the usual. Pat B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich Rheingold Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Here is an interesting article about Tom Wahls Avon NY 1999-Present Archive 62? | Hi 80? / Lo 56? | Forecast News Sports Opinion Business Living Entertainment Classifieds Cars Jobs Homes Apartments Shopping Customer Connection Home > Business Past week: Thu |Fri |Sat |Sun |Mon |Tue |Wed enlarge MAX SCHULTE staff photographerTom Wahl vigorously advertised and promoted his original Avon location to draw people from Monroe County out into the country. Day in Photos Secret recipe Tom Wahl's ground steaks always were unique compared with other hamburgers in the area. Was there a secret? "Yes, there was,'' Wahl says. "It took me a couple of years to develop this. We would buy steer arm chuck. We would bone it out; throw the fat away — 25 percent waste. We would cut our meat every day. We had a full-time meat cutter and in the summer we had one or two part-timers. "We would have our meat 85 percent lean. Eighty was too fatty, 90 would have no flavor. And we would coarse-grind it twice. Then we would squeeze it out by hand. We would pound them out 100 dozen on a Saturday night and let them age overnight. That would hold them together better.'' One other secret taught him by a butcher in Avon: Add a little water to replace the moisture that had evaporated. Advertisement Serving success, with extra pickles Now 50 years old, Tom Wahl's Avon eatery testifies to founder's determined entrepreneurship Frank Bilovsky Staff writer (May 29, 2005) — The odds clearly were stacked against Tom Wahl becoming a successful restaurateur when he bought a franchised ice cream and root beer stand and plunked it in Avon. The population was sparse — 4,400 in Avon and 44,000 in all of Livingston County. But it was 1955 and Wahl, a 23-year-old just out of the Army with a young wife and a child on the way, took a gamble. He bought an acre of land with 250 feet fronting Routes 5 and 20 and set up a Twin Kiss stand. He had taken a job selling Twin Kiss franchises in New York state a few months earlier, and he became his first customer. Two years and three franchise sales later, he decided that he was better off running a stand than trying to sell them. He gave up the sales job and added ground steak sandwiches and hot dogs to his menu. And in the process he changed the habits of thousands of Monroe County diners. Wahl, who in 1986 sold the business that still carries his name, did not popularize the hamburger restaurant. People like Don Barbato, Bill Gray and Vic and Irv Annus had already done that by opening stands near the Lake Ontario shoreline in Sea Breeze. What Wahl did was convince people to get into their cars and drive 20 miles or more for America's comfort food — burgers, fries, ice cream and shakes. He achieved it by throwing himself headfirst into the business and by marketing his product heavily in Rochester. "I unloaded the trucks, I cooked, I hired the help, I did my own accounting, even did the payroll for 10 or 15 years,'' the 74-year- old Wahl said earlier this month from his West Bloomfield home. "My goal from the start was to be the best stand in the world. And cost was absolutely no object when it came to buying something. We would buy the best and then raise our prices to cover it. And it worked because we were out in the middle of nowhere and we had to make it work. And we made it a brand.'' Half a century later, the restaurant has expanded into a nine-store chain, including locations at the Rochester area's three major malls. And Wahl's long-term vision seems to have paid off: The Avon store is still the chain's sales leader. "Tom sort of bridged the gap between the drive-in restaurant and the family restaurant,'' said Rochester Institute of Technology business professor Robert Barbato, the son of the Don & Bob's founder. "You could go in there and it still had the flavor of a drive-in. But you would go to the window to get your food, like what fast food became.'' In the beginning A month after Wahl started selling soft ice cream and frosted mugs of root beer, Ray Kroc opened his first McDonald's Family Restaurant in Des Plains, Ill. Fast food was about to go national. But Wahl had no desire to expand much beyond his Avon location. He did, however, have a strong desire to expand his single spot. "There was enough population within 10 miles to support a Twin Kiss ice cream stand,'' Wahl said. "But if I wanted to increase business, I had to promote very heavily, which I did.'' By the mid-'50s, a decade after the end of World War II, the automobile was becoming more and more a staple in the American household. It was less a luxury and more a necessity as dependence on a deteriorating mass transit system began to wane. Wahl recognized the trend and peppered the Rochester area with advertising. He took out weekly ads in the Democrat and Chronicle and Times-Union. He sponsored the noon news on WHAM radio. He wrote his own copy, did his own radio spots. He had as many as 11 billboards throughout the area. He sponsored Pop Warner football and Little League baseball teams. He offered free coupons. Anything to get folks out of Monroe County and into their cars for a drive to the country. Later, Wahl enhanced the experience by adding a pavilion that seated 280 and offered free weekly concerts in the summer. In 1976, he added indoor seating for the first time. Three years later, he expanded from a March-to-November to a year-round business. And over the first 25 years, he expanded the business at a compounded annual rate of nearly 19 percent by attracting locals and tourists. "Our tourist business accounted for as much as 20 percent of our annual business — one-stop people,'' he said. "By the mid-1970s, we would serve 4,000 people on a summer Sunday. We were averaging 20,000 people a week. We'd sell 250,000 mugs of root beer in a typical year.'' And once people came, they kept coming back. McDonald's sold hamburgers that were 10 to a pound for 15 cents. Wahl sold ground steaks that were 3? to the pound for 40 cents. He brewed his own root beer and sold it for a dime a mug, worked behind the grill himself and developed a remarkably loyal following. Memories "We started dating in 1955 and we were there a lot,'' said Sandy Schlenker of West Bloomfield. "We still go down there. And the food is still good.'' In fact, she and her husband, Corky, bought a station wagon in 1973 that had cup holders in the back "just so our kids could eat in the station wagon. That's before they had a place to sit.'' The memories linger. "Tom would be cooking and he'd smile and wave to us,'' she recalled. "We'd say 'extra pickles,' and he'd give us a big dish of them. We loved that place.'' "Texas (hot) with ketchup and a vanilla shake, that's what I had growing up,'' said Steve Harrison of Avon, who was born the year Wahl opened. "Now I'm trying to eat healthier. I love their fish sandwiches.'' Don Barbato and his family also would eat at Tom Wahl's. "My dad used to take us all the time,'' Bob Barbato recalled. "We liked to go for car rides. That's how we relaxed. Television was not that interesting in those days. Kids didn't have soccer practice every day.'' And business was much less cutthroat. Here's an example: Wahl had been cooking his burgers at 350 degrees. "This big bull of a man stopped in and said, 'What the hell are you doing there? You don't know how to cook those things. Turn up the grill,'" Wahl recalled. "So I turn it up 50 degrees, then another 50. I got to 500- and-something degrees. What a difference that made! It seared it, kept the juices in, cooked it quickly.'' The big bull of a man who offered the advice was Bill Gray. While Gray's tip resulted in quick cooking, Wahl's never called its offerings fast food. "We weren't fast food, we were great food fast,'' says Wahl's son, Tom Jr., who concocted the secret Wahlburger sauce and partnered with his father for a while at a Brockport restaurant before becoming a stockbroker. He's now a Morgan Stanley senior vice president. By the late 1970s, Tom Sr. was doing $1 million a year from his single restaurant (years earlier he had sold his interest in a Pittsford eatery to his brother, Bill). He never skimped on help and developed a work force that was as loyal as his customer base. Steve Harrison's wife, Kathy, had 14 brothers and sisters. "Tom Wahl probably employed 10 of those kids,'' she said. "Just about everybody worked there, all the Avon school kids. He was a great guy to work for, too.'' By the mid-1980s, though, the decades of long days were catching up with Wahl. Good young help was becoming increasingly difficult to find. A venture into gasoline sales next door turned out to be a disaster. "By the time I was in my mid-50s, I was tired,'' he said. In retirement In 1986, he received an offer for the Avon restaurant from a middleman. He told the man to take the restaurant's numbers back to the potential buyer. A few days later, the buyer — it turned out to be a partnership that included Webster grocer Bruce Hegedorn and Bill Gray — nearly doubled the offer. Wahl accepted. The expanded chain has continued to show steady growth, said Keith Herman, its general manager. And, he added, the company continues to "plow profits into opening new locations or remodeling'' rather than taking them out of the operations. It's a necessity of today's business environment, he said. "The nationals (McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's) are having more and more of a presence,'' he said. "They are very professional and well capitalized. And they are just getting better and better. We just have to stay a step ahead of them.'' After the sale, Wahl spent much of the next 14 years traveling in a motor home with his wife, Annette, visiting all but four states. Whenever he came home, he would check on Tom Wahl's under its new ownership. He still does, and he likes what he sees. The quality and customer service that had been his hallmark don't seem to have been compromised. "That's important to me because my name is still on it,'' he said. "And you know what? It's really a classy hamburger chain. I like that.'' 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Guest Denny Gibson Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I finally had enough down time to look through your Indy 500 pictures. Definitely brings back some memories. I attended the race for several years in the CART (pre-IRL) days but haven't been there lately. Your pictures (and one of the better races in recent memory) have me thinking about it just a little. Guess I'll have to get to your driveway early if I want a spot on race day, eh? Thanks for the show. --Denny P.S., Guess what Outlook Spellcheck suggests for IRL. Answer: "GIRL". Coincidence? > -----Original Message----- > From: [mailto:roadmaven@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:03 AM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] A Road of a Different Kind.... > > > Hi all, > > Forty-nine weekends out of the year, Speedway, Indiana, > population 12,881, > is a typical sleepy little urban town. However, for those other three > weekends, the population increases to over 300,000 and is large > enough to be the > 2nd largest city in Indiana. > > The anchor of this town is a 2.5 mile piece of pavement that > has left many > driving in circles. Built in 1909 as a testing facility for > automobiles for > Indiana's automobile industry, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway > has evolved to > host the largest sporting event in the world, the Indianapolis 500. The > speedway was developed, among others, by Carl Fisher, the owner > of the Fisher > Automobile Company, thought to be the first car dealership in the > early 20th > century, where Reos, Packard, Stutz', and others were sold. He > also founded the > Prest-O-Lite company, the maker of the first sealed beam > headlight. He also > envisioned and gave us the Lincoln Highway, the Dixie Highway, > and developed > Miami Beach. He once said, aˆ?The highways of America are built chiefly of > politics, whereas the proper material is crushed rock or > concreteaˆ?. Those words > still seem to be the rule even nearly 100 years later! > > In 1909, the location of the speedway was rural. As years past, nearby > Indianapolis caught up with the speedway, and thus you have a 328 > acre behemoth > in an urban setting. In 1926, boundaries were set and the "Town > of Speedway" > was incorporated, and those boundaries are still here today. And > yes, the > "Indianapolis" Motor Speedway actually resides in the Town of > Speedway. Speedway > has its own school system, fire and police departments, street > departments, > library...everything any town has. With over 260,000 permanent > seats added > throughout the years, the race day attendance (thought figures are never > released) is estimated to be well over 300,000 with general > admission fans, > workers, pit crews, etc. If that's not enough, Formula 1 races > here in June, and > NASCAR in August. > > Things have evolved ON the track as well. Originally paved with > crushed > stone and tar, the pavement was soon paved with over 3 million > bricks. By the > 1960's, the entire track was paved with asphalt, though the bricks still > remain beneath its surface. The first race in 1911 was won by Ray > Harroun, who > piloted his "Marmon Wasp" at an average speed of 74 mph, taking > over 6 hours to > complete. In contrast, 26 year old Brit Dan Wheldon took just over three > hours at 157 mph to claim over $1.5 million for the 2005 500. Oh > yeah, Ray > Harroun received $14,250 for his victory. Times HAVE changed. > > Jennifer & I reside in Speedway, just some 3 blocks west of the > speedway, > as some of you know. This year we made an effort to document a > lot of the > events that surround the Indy 500. Here are some links from our > web site that > depict various days of the month of May. It's an event, > especially race day, > that I tell anyone they need to experience once in their life, > even if they're > not a race fan. The pageantry and patriotism on race day of this > Memorial Day > weekend event will leave you with a renewed sense of pride to be an > American...if not a race fan. > > Link 1: "Bump Day", May 22. This is the last chance to qualify. > _http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/Indy500BD-2005.htm_ > (http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/Indy500BD-2005.htm) > > Link 2: "Community Day", May 25. For $5, you can take a lap around the > speedway in YOUR car. > _http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/I...0Comm-2005.htm_ > (http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/I...00Comm-2005.htm) > > Link 3: "500 Festival Parade", May 28. Over 200,000 fills the streets of > downtown Indianapolis. > _http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/500parade2005.htm_ > (http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/500parade2005.htm) > > Link 4: Sites & sounds from race day and the 89th Indianapolis 500. > _http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/Indy500-2005.htm_ > (http://roadtripmemories.com/roadmaveness/Indy500-2005.htm) > > Hope you all enjoyed! > > Regards, > > Pat Bremer > Speedway, IN > _ (http://roadtripmemories.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell S. Rein Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hey Folks, I have been sending these Lincoln Highway updates to members of the Yahoo Lincoln Highway and American Road discussion groups. I have expanded my mailing list to include others I think may be interested. Please let me know if you do not wish to receive these updates, or if you are getting duplicates as because you are also Yahoo Groups members. I certainly do not wish to send any unwanted e-mail - thanks. Just got back from the fabulous National Conference of the Lincoln Highway Association in Chester, WV. A report will follow later. In the meantime here's some Lincoln Highway updates A new campground and cabins opens at Honey Creek, IA featuring a historic remnant of the Honey Creek Grade of the Lincoln Highway: http://honeycreek.notlong.com Wow - a 61 year old oxygen-dependent senior, Mark Junge of Cheyenne, Wy, is bicycling the entire Lincoln Highway. This will help awareness about portable oxygen supply systems that help folks with this problem: http://oxygen.notlong.com Also, be sure to check out Mark Junge's web site: http://www.heliosfreedomtour.com/index.aspx Ames, IA non-profit Octagon Center for the Arts plans, " a tour of the studios of local artists in conjunction with the historical artifacts of the Lincoln Highway: http://Octagon.notlong.com Calamus, IA needs support to restore a historic pony truss bridge on an early route of the Lincoln Highway: http://Calamus.notlong.com Ogden, IA publishes a Lincoln Highway Walking Tour: http://Ogden.notlong.com The Bedford, PA Coffee Pot will reopen later this summer: http://CoffeePot.notlong.com So long for now, ypsi-slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dona Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Pat, at the Festival, when you but one of the postmaked envelopes, you had your choice of several different stamps. One of the stamps was the Lewis and Clark one. That is the one I choose. So I have six of them with the Tulsa Festival cancellation. (I am still upset and pouting because I couldn't get the bridge cancellation.) dona www.mistyowl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat B. To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Lewis & Clark--Wandering OT Hey all...I had to get some stamps today and my post office had in stock the Lewis & Clark Bicentennial stamps: http://shop.usps.com/images/04_louisandclark37_f.jpg This is the first time I'd bought these & they're very unique, as far as stamps are concerned. They have the look and feel of money. Not sure how long these have been out (perhaps our resident retired postal worker can shed some light here), but they're a neat change from the usual. Pat B. Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rvdroz Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I'm in favor of having Historic 66 designations along the route, Number 3. -- ___________________________________________________________ Happy Motoring! _._._._.____~__ Robert V. Droz ( us98@earthlink.net ) [____________][___ U.S. Highways : From US 1 to (US 830) [________/____[_|__ http://www.us-highways.com/ ()() ()() () Route Logs - Standard Oil - Highway Makeover - Pics - Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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