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>> Two Lane Links page.

 

 

 

Hello Ken (aka Landrunner),

 

 

 

Thanks for offering to add some links

 

to your TWO-LANE LINKS page on your website.

 

That would be *SWELL* :-)

 

 

 

What I've been working on lately is

 

http://www.coralcourt.com

 

 

 

You know the site that tells about the dear-departed CORAL COURT MOTEL

 

(1941-1995), formerly of St. Louis, Missouri. I worked on it last week and

 

plan to work on it more very soon. WHY? I am taking Web Design 3 class at

 

school. This is the last class they offer and I hope to become proficient

 

(in Dreamweaver and Flash).

 

 

 

IF you've NEVER been to cafepress.com, YOU SHOULD. My store is:

 

http://www.cafepress.com/coralcourt

 

 

 

(There's some really interesting stuff at cafepress, and I am just one of

 

many. My store has OVER 40 ITEMS, exclusively sold at cafepress).

 

 

 

+++++++++++++

 

 

 

Thankya.

 

 

 

Shellee G.

 

 

 

WHO just got back from a TRIP on US 71 with our pal (and my main squeeze)

 

Mr. Jim Ross. He was a true pathfinder as we traversed the backroads in

 

Missouri, Arkansas and Oklahoma. For Tsingtao Kip W : I took some photos for

 

you near Noel, Missouri where the cliff overhangs the road. We LOVED the

 

trip despite the clouds and occasional rain. Jerry's article in the latest

 

issue of AMERICAN ROAD served as our map and guide. (McJerry: I LOVED THE

 

VISTA COURTS, but you knew that I would!)

 

 

 

CARTHAGE, MO: Boots Motel: We saw the sign *Boots Apartments* weekly

 

rentals. There is a For Sale sign out front and I have that information. I'd

 

like to write the real owner a letter how that cute little motor court could

 

be a little GOLD MINE for him and the community of Carthage. As Jim and I

 

toured the Victorian houses in town, I said if these houses have been

 

preserved and saved, shouldn't the Boots be saved? It seems we must SAVE IT

 

from its owner first. These places must be purchased by a

 

preservation-minded buyer! (By the way, the self-guided tour of the

 

Victorian homes was VERY COOL.)

 

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

 

 

Shellee Graham

 

St. Louis, MO

 

 

 

http://www.coralcourt.com

 

http://www.cafepress.com/coralcourt

 

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Guest rwarn17588

After getting my glasses fixed in the Tulsa suburb of Sand Springs, I

 

decided to head down Highway 97 to Sapulpa, then taking 66 to Depew

 

for lunch.

 

 

 

As many of you may know, Oklahoma 66 skirts around the outside of

 

Depew, a small town nestled at the top of a hill. What I didn't know

 

until a few months ago was that a 1920s or '30s alignment of Route 66

 

once went straight through downtown Depew.

 

 

 

If you haven't driven through downtown Depew, do it. It looks like

 

something from a movie set: old stone and brick buildings that date

 

from near the turn of the century. The ironic thing about 66 bypassing

 

Depew is that it froze it in time. With little business there except

 

from locals, downtown Depew had little reason for redevelopment.

 

 

 

You can get into downtown by following the green sign that points to

 

Depew and head for the small water tower that says "Home of the

 

Hornets." The concrete pavement in downtown resembles other old, old

 

stretches of 66 that I've driven. The anchor of the downtown area is

 

Spangler's grocery. It has an old-fashioned "Old West" style sign

 

affixed above its entrance. To survive, the grocery has expanded its

 

offerings to automotive parts, plumbing supplies and movie rentals.

 

The original open-air meat coolers are still there, but they've been

 

shut down. Instead, meat and other frozen items are kept in

 

top-loading freezers -- the type where you have to open the lid to see

 

what's in there. It was a concession to save money on electricity, I'm

 

sure.

 

 

 

But the most prosperous business in Depew is Coach's Corner Cafe,

 

across the street. I went there about 11:30 a.m., sat at a counter

 

chair and ordered an iced tea. It came sweetened without asking

 

(you're in the South now, boy). The buffet featured Salisbury steak,

 

mashed potatoes, milk gravy, chicken and noodles, green beans, sweet

 

potatoes with melted marshmallows, creamed peas and salad. Not a bad

 

spread for $4.95. Warm bread was gratis. Eight pies were listed on a

 

chalkboard, including blackberry cobbler and meringue pies that looked

 

to be eight inches high. I glanced at the breakfast menu; not one item

 

cost more than $3.95. No wonder this place was popular.

 

 

 

As I ate my meal, I watched as busy waitresses chatted with a mix of

 

farmers, senior citizens, locals on their lunch breaks and high-school

 

girls. Memorabilia from Depew's high school sports teams hangs on the

 

walls. As I paid the bill, I saw one strapping-looking fellow beg off

 

eating a whole slice of the meringue-covered pie, begging his partner

 

at the table to help him. I got the sense of what Michael Wallis must

 

have felt when he used to patronize the late, lamented Pop Hicks in

 

Clinton, Okla. Cafes that were not only a place to eat, but a social

 

center for its small-town residents, are still alive along Route 66.

 

Depew is one of those places where you can experience this.

 

 

 

As I left Coach's, a collie mix walked up to me with a wagging tail

 

and eager face. Judging by his plump body, he'd become an expert in

 

begging for tidbits from the customers' doggie bags. I petted him and

 

told him to find another sucker who actually had food.

 

 

 

The old gas station, complete with its original canopy, in downtown

 

Depew is no longer an operating tire shop, as I once surmised. A lady

 

at city hall said it had been closed for at least 10 years. But

 

peering through the windows, there was enough inventory left over and

 

neatness in the place that you'd expect a man wearing a grease-stained

 

workshirt to walk from the back shop and hurriedly unlock the front

 

door for a customer. It even had its hours of operation still posted.

 

Even closed, the gas station has an architectural grace (dating from

 

the 1930s, I suspect). It certainly aged better than another closed,

 

more-modern-looking gas station across the road.

 

 

 

A great-looking bank building with the date "1910" above its corner

 

front houses a SpiritBank. (The bank reputedly was robbed by Pretty

 

Boy Floyd decades ago.) Lady Bug's, a gift shop gearing up for

 

Valentine's Day, is a few doors down from Coach's. The only other

 

businesses I saw that were operating was the nondescript post office,

 

city hall, Depew Senior Citizens center, an oil pipeline company, and

 

Verna's Cutting Place, a hair salon. Buddy's Bar, housed in another

 

nice brick building with the date "1911" above it, was closed, but it

 

appeared well-kept enough with its stools and pool tables that I

 

figured it would open later that evening.

 

 

 

In the middle of downtown is a memorial for the town's war veterans.

 

The full list was inscribed on two good-sized blocks of marble, and I

 

counted 10 who were killed in action. Two marble benches sat nearby,

 

one inscribed "All Gave Some" and the other "Some Gave All." I saw no

 

dates for the veterans' time of service, but I figured it was compiled

 

from the rolls of both world wars, Korea and probably Vietnam. It was

 

sobering to think about whether any names from Iraq would have to be

 

added there.

 

 

 

A woman from California is rumored to be buying up as many downtown

 

buildings as possible to eventually establish Depew an artists'

 

colony. I'm sure a few of the locals are resistant to that effort, not

 

wanting "outsiders" to mess with their town. But, frankly, I'm glad

 

she is, because Depew needs the help.

 

 

 

The stately Coppedge building used to house a drugstore and a doctor's

 

office. Now both are gone, as is the building's roof. The only hint of

 

the building's glory days is the "Coppedge" name on the side of the

 

building and the tile patterns near what used to be the front door.

 

The lady at city hall told me that next to the Coppedge was a movie

 

theatre -- now long gone with nothing but a vacant lot. I saw at least

 

three other former businesses downtown in which the roofs are gone.

 

One business had "Antiques" painted in the window, but it's closed.

 

There were at least three vacant lots. The city hall lady says the

 

decline hasn't happened all at once -- it's just occurred slowly over

 

the decades.

 

 

 

Maybe the artists' colony will provide a revival for downtown Depew.

 

Maybe the obvious success of Coach's will spark something else, like

 

Blueberry Hill did for University City's Loop near St. Louis.

 

 

 

But whatever you do, folks, go see Depew while you can. It's a picture

 

of small-town America that seems to be disappearing, and time is a

 

stern taskmaster.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Tulsa, OK

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Guest Denny Gibson

This message and a slightly earlier one from Dave Gardner prompted me to

 

take a look at the group's photo section and I found some really good stuff

 

there. It looks like a number of folks have posted pictures during the last

 

six months or so and many are worth checking out. Besides Cristy & Dave,

 

Pam, Jack, Rita, and several others have posted interesting collections of

 

photos. On one hand, I'd suggest that any group member with a little time

 

and even a shred of curiosity take a look at the photos there. At the same

 

time, I'll encourage anyone posting photos to label them so that each one

 

can be viewed and identified individually. Recognize the difference between

 

showing your vacation photos to Uncle Joe while he's sitting beside you on

 

the couch and mailing them off to him in an envelope. Those notes on the

 

back were pretty useful, eh?

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Cristy [mailto:clfritz@yahoo.com]

 

> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:01 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] New Member Photo Album

 

>

 

>

 

> Greetings...

 

>

 

> I am a new member to the group. My passion is exploring historic roads

 

> and trails. My photos and experiences are vast but I still have yet to

 

> scratch the surface of what there is to discover in this great land.

 

> My love started with the National Trail/Road, mainly because I grew up

 

> less than a half a block away from it and was lucky to live in a part

 

> of Ohio where the original milestones were generally cared for and

 

> protected. I have since traveled the entire road from Cumberland to

 

> Vandalia and photographed as much as I could to commemorate that piece

 

> of history.

 

>

 

> I posted a photo album that is not yet complete. I am on a mission

 

> from God to visit all of the Madonnas of the Trail. The DAR and the

 

> National Old Trails Association placed 12 statues along the route of

 

> the National Old Trails Highway in the 1920's. They stretch across the

 

> country from Maryland to California. I've been to nine of them,

 

> traveling east to west. I still need Arizona, New Mexico, and Calif.

 

>

 

> I'm looking forward to participating in this group.

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Guest brownwho63

I submitted Frank Hulett's name to the magazine for the list you

 

mention. While taking my daily walk through the subdivision a couple

 

of years (or so) ago on "trash pickup day," I spotted a box of vinyl

 

33 1/3 LP's that had been set by the curb for pickup. Naturally, I

 

hurried home to get a car and then raced back for the albums. Some

 

gems were in the box, including "Frank Hulett at Jackson Hole." Frank

 

had even autographed the album's jacket. So who's Frank Hulett?

 

Don't know - never heard of him but the first song on side two

 

is "Route 66."

 

 

 

The album is OLD but I can't locate a date anywhere. It was produced

 

by Lee Mace's Ozark Opry in Osage Beach, MO and pressed by Nashville

 

Record Production....Bliss

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Michalek"

 

<big_ugly_mich@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> A random copy of Route 66 magazine lists 97 versions of "Get Your

 

> Kicks on Route 66", but doesn't tell us how to get any of them.

 

>

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Guest Denny Gibson

Wow, thanks for waking up a faded memory. That is an album that I really

 

like but I only have it on vinyl so I haven't listened to it since my

 

turntable broke many years back. So I just ordered up a CD. Also ordered up

 

Traffic's Gold since it caught my eye and the memory of burning up a copy of

 

When the Eagle Flies was just a couple of brain cells away from memories of

 

Joni's Coyote.

 

 

 

Ain't sofa-shopping great? It's how I picked up your Highway 61 Revisited a

 

couple of weeks ago. It's going to be awhile before I get through it,

 

though. I do much of my reading during meals and the book is kinda large to

 

balance on a crowded Waffle House counter. But I'll make it eventually. I

 

did get a start and so far it's not half bad.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: [mailto:tjsteil@aol.com]

 

> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:29 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Digest Number 966

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In a message dated 2/18/2006 9:38:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,

 

> AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

>

 

> Message: 1

 

> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:25:14 -0000

 

> From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@yahoo.com>

 

> Subject: Re: Road Trip Songs - what do you listen to?

 

>

 

>

 

> Hey

 

>

 

> Interesting bunch of tunes, some givens, some borderline, all worthwhile.

 

>

 

> I almost never post to these groups anymore, however, how has everyone

 

> missed one of my favorite records, a concept album completely

 

> written on a road

 

> trip, and all about road trips in general.???

 

>

 

> Hejira, by Joni Mitchell. I mean, there is a picture of a

 

> two-lane highway

 

> superimposed on her body on the cover.

 

>

 

> some track by track lyrical highlights......

 

>

 

> 1. Coyote - "You just picked up a hitcher, a prisoner of the

 

> white lines of

 

> the freeway"

 

>

 

> 2. Amelia - "I was driving across the burning desert, when I

 

> spotted six jet

 

> planes, leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain."

 

>

 

> 3. Furry Sings the Blues - " Old Beale Street is coming down,

 

> Sweeties Snack

 

> shop boarded up now, and Eggles the tailor, and the shine boys

 

> gone, faded

 

> out with ragtime blues."

 

>

 

> 4. A Strange Boy - "We got high on travel, and we got drunk on

 

> alcohol, and

 

> on love , the strongest poison and medicine of them all."

 

>

 

> 5. Hejira - "I'm traveling in some vehicle, I'm sitting in some cafe, a

 

> defector from the petty wars."

 

>

 

> 6. Song for Sharon - "Sharon, I left my man at a North Dakota

 

> junction, and

 

> I came out to the Big Apple here, to face the dream's malfunction."

 

>

 

> 7. Black Crow - "There's a black crow, dark and ragged, flying tree to

 

> tree, He's black as the highway that's leading me."

 

>

 

> 8. Blue Motel Room - "I've got road maps from two dozen states, I've got

 

> coast to coast just to contemplate."

 

>

 

> 9. Refuge of the Roads - "In a highway service station, over the

 

> month of

 

> June, Was a photograph of the earth, Taken coming back from the

 

> moon, and you

 

> couldn't see a city, on that marbled bowling ball, or a forest or

 

> a highway,

 

> or me here least of all, you couldn't see these coldwater

 

> restrooms, or this

 

> baggage overload, Westbound and rolling, taking refuge in the roads."

 

>

 

> Obviously I am way way biased here, it has always been one of my

 

> favorite

 

> records, and I have never been on the road without it, For the

 

> sheer poetry, for

 

> a very young Jaco Pastorious in his prime on bass, for the

 

> weirdo guitar

 

> tunings.

 

>

 

> It's a stunning piece that needs to be heard from beginning to end.

 

> Hopefully on a cloudy rainy day on a lost backroad with the very

 

> recent benefit of

 

> something that's Latin name ends in indica.

 

>

 

> peace, and, uh, you know, whatever that damned Japanese thing Kip always

 

> signs off with.

 

>

 

> ts

 

>

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Guest jim conkle

Yo RoadDog,

 

 

 

I volunteer every year and read at one of our local schools. My oldest son

 

is a teacher/football coach and his wife is a principle at one of our middle

 

schools. My favorite is Robert Service to middle and high school. Grade

 

school still get 'Cat in the Hat'. I enjoy doing this and feel that it is

 

one of my best days of the year. As a speaker it helps me to understand how

 

my craft opens up minds in children. More then worth the time and effort.

 

 

 

Everyone should look into this by calling a local school.

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing this with us RoadDog.

 

 

 

James M Conkle

 

Preservationist-Speaker-Marketer-Spokesperson-Public Relations-Event Planner

 

Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

Preservation of Historic Roads & Corridors

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760 868 3320

 

760 617 3991 cell

 

760 868 8614 fax

 

jimconkle@verizon.net

 

www.cart66pf.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

[mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of roaddog_rt66

 

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:47 AM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Read Across America

 

 

 

 

 

Every year, the National Education Association sponsors a Read

 

Across America Day. This year's is March 2.

 

 

 

The ability to read is one of the most basic things in a child's

 

educational life.

 

 

 

I am a teacher myself. I thought it was just people getting dressed

 

up like the Cat in the Hat or having special guest readers come into

 

your rooms. Until now, that is.

 

 

 

John Piechocinski, the head custodian at Timber Ridge Middle School

 

in Plainfield, Illinois, last year had the children trace the Lewis

 

and Clark Expedition, a very timely thing these days. They moved

 

Lewis and Clark along a giant map in a hallway. Every page read,

 

was another mile.

 

 

 

This would lend itself very nicely to our old roads. If you know an

 

educator you should contact them and suggest your favorite road.

 

 

 

I plan on doing Route 66 this year, if I can get the mileages

 

between cities.

 

 

 

For more information, go to:

 

 

 

www.nea.org/readacross

 

 

 

Keep on Reading Down that Two Lane Highway, --RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Michael L. Ward

Denny,

 

 

 

I have a number of those old ALA Green Books as well as some of the

 

older Automobile Blue Books and old road maps and road atlases. As soon

 

as I get a chance, I'll see if I can find any more detailed information

 

on the NOTR through that part of the country.

 

 

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi Denny,

 

>

 

> I have a 1933 ALA Automotive Green book that shows a general route

 

from Washington, DC, thru Bethesda to Rockville - route number shown is

 

240.

 

>

 

> From the looks of a current map that route number is now MD 355 - or

 

it's buried under I-270.

 

>

 

> In the trip section the directions are as follows:

 

>

 

> Washington DC to Harrisburg via Frederick and Gettysburg:

 

> 0.0 - Washington DC, US HWY 250

 

> At capitol. First St. and Penn Ave - West on Penn Ave

 

> 1.1 - Treasury Building. Str. on Treasury Place

 

> 1.2 - R - Passing White House

 

> 1.4 - L - on Pennsylvania Ave.

 

> 1.6 - R - on 175y St. N. W.

 

> 1.9 - Bear L on Connecticut Ave

 

> 2.4 - Du Pont Circl. R around Circle with Conn. Ave.

 

> 3.0 - Keep L across viaduct

 

> 4.1 - Zoological Park

 

> 6.8 - Chevy Chase, MD - straight ahead

 

> 6.9 - Str. ahead keeping R around circle

 

> 7.6 - L on Bradley Lane

 

> 8.4 - R on Wisconsin Ave.

 

> 8.9 - Bethesda. Str. ahead

 

> 9.0 - Keep R on Rockville Pike

 

> 13.1 - Harper Country Club

 

> 16.6 - Str. on E. Montgomery Street

 

> 16.9 - Rockville

 

> At 45.7 - to go to Harrisburg go straight on No. Market Street. L for

 

Hagerstown U.S. Hwy 40

 

>

 

> Have fun.

 

>

 

> Hudsonly,

 

> Alex B

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Denny Gibson denny@... wrote: This isn't anything critical so do limit

 

your efforts but if you do come

 

> across them, I'd appreciate it. I've just started looking into this

 

(and

 

> it's so far been an armchair internet search) but I'm kind of

 

surprised at

 

> the lack of specific information I've found on the NOTR.

 

>

 

> --Denny

 

>

 

> > -----Original Message-----

 

> > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

 

> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:35 PM

 

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > I have some Southern California Automobile Club strip map cards of

 

the

 

> > NOTR, plus there was a

 

> > booklet put out of these too. If I can find them in my mess I can

 

scan

 

> > them for you.

 

> >

 

> > ypsi-slim

 

> >

 

> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:00 -0500 "Denny Gibson" denny@...

 

> > writes:

 

> > Russell, I sure don't want to appear ungrateful but that's not quite

 

what

 

> > I

 

> > was trying to ask. I know I sometimes muddle things so that the real

 

> > question isn't obvious. What I'm looking for is a map of the NOTR

 

through

 

> > that section; not the location of the statue. The scale of maps that

 

I've

 

> > found show a dot at Baltimore, a dot at D.C., and a dot at Frederick

 

with

 

> > more or less straight lines between them. There must be more

 

detailed

 

> > NOTR

 

> > maps somewhere.

 

> >

 

> > BTW, in December of 2004 that Madonna was actually moved from her

 

normal

 

> > home near the Bethesda post office because of a developing sinkhole.

 

I

 

> > recall reading something about her return in the last month or so

 

but a

 

> > quick scan turned up nothing just now.

 

> >

 

> > Frank's site has absolutely tons of information on US-40 and its

 

> > predecessors. Under Named Highways, he lists the NOTR but the link

 

given

 

> > (

 

> > http://www.route40.net/history/not.shtml ) is dead. I dropped him a

 

note

 

> > about it earlier today.

 

> >

 

> > Thanks for the response,

 

> > Denny

 

> >

 

> > > -----Original Message-----

 

> > > From: Russell S. Rein [mailto:Ypsi-slim@...]

 

> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:41 PM

 

> > > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> > > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] NOTR question

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Denny,

 

> > >

 

> > > From Frank Brusca's Route40 site:

 

> > > http://www.route40.net/history/madonnas/md.shtml

 

> > > There is also a current map link.

 

> > >

 

> > > The monument is located on Rockville Pike (MD Route 355) in

 

Bethesda,

 

> > > Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. This is one of the few

 

> > > monsuments found in a built-up urban enviornment. Access to the

 

> > monument

 

> > > is ideal; parking can be found along the street or in the

 

neighboring

 

> > > Post Office parking lot.

 

> > >

 

> > > This monument was dedicated on 19 April 1929. The keynote speaker

 

was

 

> > > then Judge Harry S Truman, President of the National Old Trails

 

> > > Association. Vice President Charles Curtis was in attendance.

 

> > > The inscriptions read:

 

> > > (North Face)

 

> > > THIS, THE FIRST MILITARY ROAD

 

> > > IN AMERICA

 

> > > BEGINNING AT ROCK CREEK AND

 

> > > POTOMAC RIVER,

 

> > > GEORGETOWN, MARYLAND

 

> > > LEADING OUR PIONEERS

 

> > > ACROSS THIS CONTINENT

 

> > > TO THE PACIFIC.

 

> > > The inscription continues:

 

> > > "TO THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE

 

> > > GREAT MOTHERHOOD OF THE PAST,

 

> > > I STAND... A SACRED SHRINE.

 

> > > MAY ALL WHO PASS WITHIN THE

 

> > > SHADOW OF MY FORM, PAUSE

 

> > > AWHILE, AND UNDERSTAND THE FAITH

 

> > > THE IDEALS, AND THE REAL INNER

 

> > > BEAUTY OF SOUL OF THOSE MOTHERS

 

> > > OF OLD, AS THEY PASSED DOWN THE

 

> > > GREAT HOMING TRAIL OF THE NATION."

 

> > > - Arline Nichols Moss

 

> > > (South Face)

 

> > > OVER THIS HIGHWAY

 

> > > MARCHED THE ARMY OF

 

> > > MAJOR GENERAL

 

> > > EDWARD BRADDOCK

 

> > > APRIL 14-1755

 

> > > ON ITS WAY TO FORT DUQUESNE.

 

> > >

 

> > > ypsi-slim

 

> > >

 

> > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:01:06 -0500 "Denny Gibson"

 

> > denny@...

 

> > > writes:

 

> > > I'm hoping someone here can point me to a source for information

 

on the

 

> > > eastern end of the National Old Trails Road.

 

> > >

 

> > > I've long wondered just how Maryland's Madonna of the Trail ended

 

up in

 

> > > Bethesda. I figured that when I found a reasonably detailed map of

 

the

 

> > > NOTR

 

> > > it would become clear but I've yet to find such a map. In fact, I

 

found

 

> > a

 

> > > statement that Bethesda "was connected to the National Old Trails

 

Road

 

> > by

 

> > > a

 

> > > spur" which doesn't help at all with the Madonna question. I've

 

found

 

> > > high

 

> > > level maps (such as

 

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/trail10.htm

 

> > )

 

> > > but nothing with enough detail to show it hitting or missing

 

Bethesda

 

> > or

 

> > > any

 

> > > other place between D.C. and Frederick. How it connected D.C. and

 

> > > Baltimore

 

> > > is also a mystery to me. Any clues appreciated.

 

> > >

 

> > > Denny Gibson

 

> > > Cincinnati, OH

 

> > > www.DennyGibson.com

 

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LETTER FROM VICTORVILLE

 

 

 

Lore drives lure of this road

 

Route 66 remains a rite of passage for the adventurous. The `mother

 

road' delivers a mother lode of vintage kicks and oddities, writes

 

the Tribune's Michael Martinez

 

 

 

Michael Martinez, a national correspondent in the Tribune's West

 

Coast bureau

 

Published February 19, 2006

 

 

 

 

 

VICTORVILLE, Calif. -- From Chicago to Los Angeles, Americans know

 

Route 66 as a bygone road evoking a simpler era of road trips and

 

song.

 

 

 

But Karen Macaulay and Andy Garrett say Europeans like them still get

 

their kicks retracing a decommissioned highway that now exists

 

officially only in tour guides and on the occasional brown historical

 

marker.

 

 

 

U.S. Route 66, a more than 2,400-mile link between the nation's

 

second and third most populous cities, is hardly a distant memory for

 

many.

 

 

 

Traveling on it often is regarded overseas as the ultimate vacation

 

experience in America, especially if done in a vintage convertible

 

with fins, said the couple from Guildford, England.

 

 

 

"If we go back and say, `We did Route 66,' people would say, `Oh my

 

goodness, you did everything!'" said Macaulay, an office manager in

 

her 30s.

 

 

 

"It's a classic American trek," Garrett, 38, added.

 

 

 

So on a recent afternoon, when Garrett was on break from a temporary

 

job in L.A. as a software specialist, the couple followed the old

 

route from Los Angeles as they headed to Las Vegas. Among their first

 

stops was a former roadhouse that is now a modest exhibit hall for

 

Route 66 lore, the California Route 66 Museum, in the small, high

 

desert town of Victorville.

 

 

 

They were greeted by museum President Charlotte "Chick" Kirk, 75,

 

guardian of the romance of the open road. The museum is a quaint

 

display of odds and ends, including a rickety Model T from 1917 with

 

wooden floorboards.

 

 

 

Historic markers

 

 

 

There's even a 78 r.p.m. record by Nat "King" Cole made when his

 

group was known as The King Cole Trio. On it, Cole sings what's

 

running through all our minds now: "[Get Your Kicks On] Route 66,"

 

written by Bobby Troup.

 

 

 

Then there are Route 66's nicknames.

 

 

 

In "Grapes of Wrath," John Steinbeck called the route the "mother

 

road" of America, used by destitute families fleeing the Dust Bowl

 

for California. The highway used to pass through eight states,

 

including Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.

 

 

 

Also known as "the Main Street of America," "the Will Rogers Highway"

 

and "the Glory Road," Route 66 took travelers on a half-continent

 

journey past iconic features: chicken fried steak joints, barbecue

 

shacks, eccentric roadside attractions, kitschy motels and ancient

 

pueblos. And it was a journey of boiling radiators and flat tires.

 

 

 

"There's not as much to see as there used to be--because the freeway

 

knocked out a lot of the mom-and-pop stuff and the fun things," said

 

Kirk, who still speaks with an accent from her Massachusetts

 

upbringing, pronouncing water as "watah."

 

 

 

But the federal government has provided $1.5 million in grants since

 

2001 to renovate bridges, theaters, motels, hotels, cafes and gas

 

stations under the Route 66 Corridor Preservation Program, said

 

project manager Michael Taylor of the National Park Service. The

 

grants will end in 2009, he said.

 

 

 

"People want to see this America, this real America," Taylor said.

 

 

 

Museum visitor Cynthia Wrayhall, 42, of Palmdale, Calif., said that

 

of the dozen similar museums she has visited in the Southwest, she is

 

partial to Victorville's. Wrayhall has even decorated the interior of

 

her motor home with Route 66 mementos from the museum's gift shop.

 

 

 

During her recent visit, she bought a Route 66 cookbook that featured

 

recipes for Chicago's Palmer House Hilton's French Quarter seafood

 

gumbo and the Berghoff alpen ragout.

 

 

 

Up the road in nearby Barstow, Debra Hodkin, 55, manages another

 

shrine, the Route 66 Mother Road Museum, where she says she greets

 

visitors from all over the world who traverse the old byway. Most of

 

them, Hodkin said, begin their trip at the eastern end of Route 66 at

 

Lake Shore Drive and Jackson Boulevard in Chicago's Grant Park.

 

 

 

"Every day is truly a surprise," Hodkin said of the travelers.

 

 

 

Symbolized freedom

 

 

 

Between the roadway's opening in 1926 and 1936, the western end was

 

in downtown Los Angeles, said Scott Piotrowski, 34, author

 

of "Finding the End of the Mother Road: Route 66 in Los Angeles

 

County."

 

 

 

Its terminus was then placed farther west, in the oceanfront city of

 

Santa Monica, until 1964. Then the highway stopped in Pasadena until

 

1975, when the California leg of Route 66 was decertified because of

 

the creation of Interstate Highway 40, said Piotrowski, an aficionado

 

of road lore whose full-time job is working for a postproduction film

 

facility.

 

 

 

By 1985, all of Route 66 was eighty-sixed.

 

 

 

"At the time that Route 66 was in its heyday, we were looked upon as

 

a great nation. We had just come out of World War II, [we had] the

 

big economic boom of the late '40s and '50s ... the fins of the '57

 

Chevys," Piotrowski said.

 

 

 

"That is the big interest of the people internationally, and that is

 

what they want to see, the symbols of the roads that symbolize

 

freedom."

 

 

 

----------

 

 

 

mjmartinez@tribune.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Ok all you baby-boomers, musical roadologists, vinyl collectors and

 

anyone expecting an income

 

tax refund this year...............coming soon to an on-line store near

 

you (April 15, 2006) the Ion

 

USB Turntable, as showcased at this year's CES (Consumer Electronic

 

Store).

 

 

 

This is a turntable that plays 33 & 45 RPM records, comes with a

 

cartridge, and plugs directly in

 

to your computer. It come with software that allows one touch recording

 

directly to MP3, with a

 

built-in scratch & pop filter. As someone with 5,000+ albums I can't

 

wait.......

 

 

 

Some stores are advertising this at $130 but no one really has it

 

available yet. Amazon is

 

advertising this at $139 with free shipping - http://xrl.us/j4r7

 

and it looks like Circuit City will be carrying it at $135 -

 

http://xrl.us/j4sa

 

 

 

ypsilantily,

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, thanks for waking up a faded memory. That is an album that I really

 

like but I only have it on vinyl so I haven't listened to it since my

 

turntable broke many years back. So I just ordered up a CD.

 

 

 

--Denny

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Guest Russell S. Rein

One of the more unusual but absolutely great Rt. 66 related songs

 

was jazz vocalist Teri Thornton's Open Road which is Nelson

 

Riddle's TV theme WITH LYRICS! This was the title song on

 

Teri's 1963 Columbia album with Teri in a white Corvette on the

 

cover. This is pretty hard to find, and I just figured out it was

 

reissued on CD by Koch, a German Company in 2000, but is

 

out-of-print. You can hear a teaser of this song at Amazon:

 

http://xrl.us/j4sg

 

 

 

ypsilantily,

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

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Guest David Backlin

Does it play 78's ? My dad would love it if it did.

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Russell S. Rein" <Ypsi-slim@juno.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:22 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Road Song

 

 

 

 

 

> Ok all you baby-boomers, musical roadologists, vinyl collectors and

 

> anyone expecting an income

 

> tax refund this year...............coming soon to an on-line store near

 

> you (April 15, 2006) the Ion

 

> USB Turntable, as showcased at this year's CES (Consumer Electronic

 

> Store).

 

>

 

> This is a turntable that plays 33 & 45 RPM records, comes with a

 

> cartridge, and plugs directly in

 

> to your computer. It come with software that allows one touch recording

 

> directly to MP3, with a

 

> built-in scratch & pop filter. As someone with 5,000+ albums I can't

 

> wait.......

 

>

 

> Some stores are advertising this at $130 but no one really has it

 

> available yet. Amazon is

 

> advertising this at $139 with free shipping - http://xrl.us/j4r7

 

> and it looks like Circuit City will be carrying it at $135 -

 

> http://xrl.us/j4sa

 

>

 

> ypsilantily,

 

>

 

> ypsi-slim

 

>

 

>

 

> Wow, thanks for waking up a faded memory. That is an album that I really

 

> like but I only have it on vinyl so I haven't listened to it since my

 

> turntable broke many years back. So I just ordered up a CD.

 

>

 

> --Denny

 

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Ron,

 

 

 

All I know right now is that it was a Kerr station (????if memory serves

 

right..dunno where those little yellow boxes of kodachromes are right now)

 

and that someone seems to be fixing it up. It is indeed a grand old

 

station, and I'm well pleased to see that it is loved by someone.

 

 

 

There's also a well preserved little cottage-style station in town, plus

 

numerous other goodies.

 

 

 

McJerry

 

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:04 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Digest Number 676

 

 

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

> There are 2 messages in this issue.

 

>

 

> Topics in this digest:

 

>

 

> 1. Re:US 77

 

> From: "Jerry McClanahan" <jerrymc66@earthlink.net>

 

> 2. Re:US 77

 

> From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@yahoo.com>

 

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> ________________________________________________________________________

 

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> Message: 1

 

> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:33:29 -0600

 

> From: "Jerry McClanahan" <jerrymc66@earthlink.net>

 

> Subject: Re:US 77

 

>

 

> Old US 77 South of OKC is indeed a trip! I have often taken this old

 

> 2-lane

 

> highway, instead of I-35, when returning home from Route 66 trips, and

 

> enjoy

 

> the quiet drive thru the OK countryside.

 

>

 

> Since the early 1980s, I've shot photos of old gas stations, cafes and

 

> even

 

> a section of one-lane slab road! I followed old 77 last spring, and most

 

> of the old stations are still there, in small towns like Pauls Valley and

 

> Davis. The climb over the mountains by Turner Falls is a roadie treat.

 

> Hooray for two-lanes!

 

>

 

> McJerry

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________________________________________________

 

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> Message: 2

 

> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:18:30 -0000

 

> From: "rwarn17588" <rwarn17588@yahoo.com>

 

> Subject: Re:US 77

 

>

 

>

 

> Jerry, do you know what I'm talking about with that Art Deco gas

 

> station in Pauls Valley? Do you know much about it? Emily took a

 

> picture of it, but we haven't developed the film yet.

 

>

 

> Ron Warnick

 

> Tulsa, OK

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry McClanahan"

 

> <jerrymc66@e...> wrote:

 

>> Old US 77 South of OKC is indeed a trip! I have often taken this

 

> old 2-lane

 

>> highway, instead of I-35, when returning home from Route 66 trips,

 

> and enjoy

 

>> the quiet drive thru the OK countryside.

 

>>

 

>> Since the early 1980s, I've shot photos of old gas stations, cafes

 

> and even

 

>> a section of one-lane slab road! I followed old 77 last spring,

 

> and most

 

>> of the old stations are still there, in small towns like Pauls

 

> Valley and

 

>> Davis. The climb over the mountains by Turner Falls is a roadie treat.

 

>> Hooray for two-lanes!

 

>>

 

>> McJerry

 

>

 

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Guest Jim Ross

Hi Folks,

 

 

 

Thought I would chime in here at the risk of revealing my age. Way back in the

 

1960s, when I was a high-schooler, US77 the road leading to Turner Falls--a

 

beautiful park and swimming hole (party site supreme) for us big city boys about

 

100 miles away. This was when I-35 was still being built through the Arbuckle

 

Mountains. Motoring through Purcell, Wynnewood (Winnie-wood), Pauls Valley,

 

Davis, ect. on that old blue highway was a true adventure. In those days, you

 

could get a blue plate special at any diner along the way for under a buck.

 

 

 

I remember clearly the construction project when ODOT blasted through those

 

ancient rock mountains to breach that formidable barrier. Today, as Ron and

 

Jerry point out, old 77 is still a great drive. Most of the little towns are

 

just far enough off the interstate to have retained their nostalgic appeal.

 

 

 

So if your travels ever take you between OKC and Dallas, don't miss the chance

 

to give it a try.

 

 

 

Jim R.

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Guest David G. Clark

As many of you are already aware, I have been giving walking tours of

 

66 in downtown Chicago on an "as requested" basis for the last several

 

years. I have now set up a regular schedule for the tours. I have also

 

created a brochure that describes the tours, pricing, and gives

 

directions and advice for transportation, parking, etc.

 

 

 

Anyone interested in more info can get it on my website at the

 

following link, and there is also a link on the website to view and/or

 

print out the brochure:

 

 

 

http://www.windycityroadwarrior.com/Tours/Tours.html

 

 

 

As you will see, the standard tours are $10.00 per person. They last

 

about 2 hours and cover about 1 mile of ground. The tours are laid out

 

in a circular path so they start and end at the same location.

 

 

 

And, if any of you would like to have a supply of the brochures for

 

your business, museum, or other venue, or if you need a few to pass on

 

to others with a potential interest, please contact me off-list with

 

your mailing address and I will send them off once I have a sufficient

 

number printed--end of week or so.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Dave Clark

 

Windy City Road Warrior

 

dave@windycityroadwarrior.com

 

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While the annual Fun Run is on our list of things to do, we won't be

 

making the run again this year. Our '77 Monte would love it!...Bliss

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Ward" <flyboy1946@...>

 

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> How many list members are planning to be in Arizona the weekend of

 

May 5-7 for the annual Fun Run?

 

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My mom and dad had his and her '77 Monte Carlos, one silver, one blue, each

 

with obligatory vinyl landau roof. We loved them. They ran differently, but

 

each rusted just as quickly as the other.

 

 

 

That had to be the last year that car hoods were ever that looong.

 

 

 

Brian

 

www.brianbutko.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> From: "brownwho63" <brownwho63@yahoo.com>

 

> Reply-To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

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> While the annual Fun Run is on our list of things to do, we won't be

 

> making the run again this year. Our '77 Monte would love it!...Bliss

 

 

 

 

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Ward" <flyboy1946@...> wrote:

 

>>

 

>> How many list members are planning to be in Arizona the weekend of

 

>> May 5-7 for the annual Fun Run?

 

>>

 

>> Mike

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roaddog_rt66 wrote:

 

 

 

I did a little more research and he has a new museum dedicated to

 

his work in the old 1905 N & W train depot in Roanaoke, Virginia.

 

He did most of his filming of the steam locomotives of the Norfolk

 

and Western Railroad, the last major US railroad to exclusively use

 

steam locomotives. Next door is the Virginia Museum of

 

Transportation which has two famous N&W locomotives on display.

 

 

 

---------------

 

 

 

I have visited the Roanoke Museum and it is exceptional - you can view

 

Mr. Link's equipment, including the various lights

 

that he used for the night shots and even see the shot in an exhibit

 

before lighting and you can add the lights of your choice, individually,

 

to see how they affect the scene - the winding walk through the little

 

archway outside with it's neon HOTEL sign will lead you up to the most

 

historic and impressive Hotel Roanoke.

 

 

 

Carol

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Dear Friend of Route 66:

 

 

 

The Route 66 Association of Missouri and the Missouri Department of

 

Transportation (MoDOT) invites you to attend the DEDICATION ("ribbon

 

cutting") festivities for the new State Scenic Byway--Historic Route

 

66. The event will take place at Kearney and Glenstone (old Route

 

66), Springfield, Missouri, on Friday, May 5, 2006, at 11 AM.

 

 

 

This is the site where on July 10, 1990, Governor John Ashcroft

 

signed half of his name to House Bill 1629 designating Old U.S.

 

Highway 66 as a Historic Highway in Missouri, and allowing the MoDOT

 

to post appropriate signage along the right-of-way. Governor

 

Ashcroft had signed part of his name to House Bill 1629 in

 

Waynesville, Missouri, earlier that day because the bill was

 

originally sponsored by representatives from both Waynesville and

 

Springfield. This is also the site where the first Historic Route

 

66 sign was installed in July 1991.

 

 

 

The Route 66 Association of Missouri and MoDOT worked together for

 

over two years to gain "Scenic Byway" status for Historic Route 66

 

in Missouri. On November 9, 2005, the Missouri Highways and

 

Transportation Commission voted unanimously to designate Historic

 

Route 66 as a State Scenic Byway. Covering over 300 miles, the

 

Historic Route 66 Byway will be the longest Scenic Byway in the

 

state. Route 66 spans the state from the Illinois state line to the

 

Kansas state line, and is considered a modern-day byway.

 

 

 

We hope your schedule will accommodate your presence at this

 

milestone in the history of Route 66. For more information or if

 

you have questions, please feel free to contact Bob Edwards with

 

MoDOT in Springfield at 417-895-7600 or Tommy Pike, President of the

 

Route 66 Association of Missouri, at 417-865-1318. We would also

 

appreciate notification of your intent to attend so that we may

 

properly acknowledge you.

 

 

 

Best Regards,Tommy Pike, President

 

Route 66 Association of Missouri

 

www.missouri66.org

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No, Brian....didn't Cadillacs, ironically another GM

 

product, have hoods longer than the Monte's well into the

 

1980's??? LOL.

 

 

 

Matt Smallwood

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/06 11:21:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

 

2lanetravlr20@verizon.net writes:

 

 

 

the winding walk through the little

 

archway outside with it's neon HOTEL sign will lead you up to the most

 

historic and impressive Hotel Roanoke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

====================================================================

 

The Norfolk and Western Railway built that hotel.

 

 

 

The Link photo at the drive in theater is supposed to picture five forms of

 

transportation, according to something I saw in the museum. Train, car and

 

plane (on the movie screen) are obvious. I suppose the people in the picture

 

had

 

feet, so walking makes four. But what was the fifth?

 

 

 

Tom Hoffman

 

Pearisburg VA

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Guest JoAnn Jacot

I grew up at the Siesta Motel that used to be on U.S. Hwy 40 (later

 

E. 4th street) west of Reno, NV. It was owned by my parents for

 

almost 60 years. The rooms were in log cabins that had been built

 

prior to WWII. My dad put in a swimming pool on the front lawn,

 

which was the first motel in Reno with a swimming pool. It was sold

 

a few years ago before my Dad passed away. It is now the location of

 

storage sheds and there is no sign of our motel ever having been

 

there. I don't have the heart to even drive by there anymore. I have

 

fond memories of waiving at the train engineers, going over to the

 

Truckee River on the other side of the tracks to skip rocks across.

 

Thankfully before the motel was gone I had contacted the local

 

newspaper and they did do a very nice article on the motel and my

 

Dad. I figured our motel deserved an obituary just as much as people

 

do!

 

 

 

There still are lots of old motels along 4th Street in Reno probably

 

because those areas don't have interest to mega-stores.

 

 

 

My husband and I were back in Maryland in April. We drove on Hwy 40

 

there during our trip. Glad to see that it was well marked.

 

 

 

JoAnn, Gardnerville, NV

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Guest Alex Burr

I was sitting here this morning with not much else to do - weather

 

here in Southern Maine is foul enough to obstruct outside work, we've

 

vacuumed most of the overnight accumulation of water out of the cellar

 

and we up-dated one of my Hudson Motor Car Company technical bulletin.

 

 

 

So without much else on my mind, except the usual survival from day

 

to day, I began to ruminate upon the joys and excitement of traveling

 

the old 2 lane highways - from the point of view of one who has "been

 

there, done that". I came up with some interesting observations

 

between then and now.

 

 

 

Food: Most places to eat were Mom and Pop places. Generally the

 

food was very good, plentiful and wholesome - much better for the body

 

than the "toss it to you-grab it and run" fast food establishments of

 

today. Of course the kids still favored the burger or hot dog, if

 

given the choice - with most parents, fat chance, at least with mine.

 

It was said that one good sign of a great place to eat was to stop

 

where the truckers were. Well, that was partly true - some of those

 

places were frequented by truckers because the waitresses were, let's

 

say, quite "friendly" - trucking back in those days was, more-so than

 

today, a very, very lonely occupation. But generally speaking the

 

food was ok, tho.

 

 

 

Roads: Here you took your chances. Road maps would tell you how to

 

get from here to there - but not necessarily tell you about the narrow

 

bridges, sharp curves and narrow with no shoulders highways. AAA

 

published Tour Books - and this example from a 1941 Northeastern copy

 

will illustrate why this book, along with Duncan Hines books, were

 

required traveling material: "83 - Clarksburg to Charelston, W. Va.

 

An interesting trip thru thickly settled, hilly, wooded, farming and

 

mining country. Between Weston and Clendenin there is a choice of two

 

routes, both good; via Spencer being 14 miles shorter." The map shows

 

the route numbers (via Spencer) as being U S 33 and 119 (I've driven

 

over that one); from Clendenin thru Gassaway and Sutton being U S 19.

 

Unfortunately, neither the tour guides, nor the road maps, told you

 

about the speed traps where a local officer of the law would pop out

 

of a bush and tell you exactly how fast you were going over the speed

 

limit - without a radar gun, no less. Those boys were sharp. Judges

 

were on duty 24-7 to part you from your cash - as in "How much you

 

got, son? $40?? You were doing 4 miles over the limit - that's a $40

 

fine!!!" If you were smart you hid the rest of you money in your shoe.

 

The south was famous for these speed traps. There was light at the

 

end of the tunnel tho - you could contact your local AAA office and

 

they would send you a list of (known) speed traps.

 

 

 

Accomodations: Like anything else ranged from excellent to great

 

for the dog - if he'd stay there!! The best featured comfortable and

 

clean beds, clean rooms - many accomodations were in the form of

 

cabins. Some even featured garages between the cabins to put your car

 

inside. I know there were some of these in California, probably other

 

places - I found one on U S 70 just south of Brinkley, Arkansas, the

 

Cottage Inn (had to look it up in a 1941 Western AAA Tour Book). A

 

novel idea and I'm sure many Mr. Businessman and his secretary took

 

advantage!!! Beats parking your car out in front of the whole world.

 

 

 

So, in retrospect, how does traveling 50 years ago compare with

 

today. Yesterday was certainly an adventure. Most trips were made on

 

trains, it was tantamount to a Lewis and Clark expedition to drive to

 

your destination on the old roads. There was something new around

 

every bend of the road (how we waited anxiously for that entrance to

 

the Pennsylvania Turnpike on the drive to Ohio) - today we have miles

 

and miles of boring interestate. There's a Mickey D or BK on every

 

corner and a chain motel at every exit. We no longer have a choice to

 

try something different. Safer traveling - definitely: an improvement

 

- maybe.

 

 

 

Happy Traveling.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

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OK folks we are looking for some volunteers to assist at a few events being

 

held in Southern California. If you have the time and want to be involved

 

with three GREAT events please let me know. I will forward your information

 

on.

 

 

 

September 14-17 Rendezvous in San Bernardino this is the Grand Daddy of all

 

Route 66 events.

 

 

 

September 23-24 Route 66 Days in West Hollywood.

 

 

 

September 30 & October 1 Cars of the Stars Universal CityWalk

 

 

 

Why not sign up for all three? They are each unique and different from each

 

other so it will not be the same event each week end. That is what makes

 

them each an important attraction and a must see event. If you want more

 

information on these events please let me know.

 

 

 

Share this with your family and friends make volunteering a fun thing. We

 

promise your time and work is important to us. Events can not succeed

 

without the VOLUNTEERS. Let me share with you something I was told by a 82

 

year old lady that volunteers at the museum in Clinton, OK

 

 

 

"Volunteers are not paid because they are worthless but because they are

 

PRICELESS"

 

 

 

Being a part of any event by volunteering puts you right into the action. We

 

want you, we need you and we will love you for being a volunteer.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

James M Conkle

 

CEO

 

Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

Preservation Historic Roads & Corridors

 

P O Box 290066

 

Phelan, CA 92329-0066

 

760 617 3991

 

760 868 8614 fax

 

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Guest parsa9

The NOTR probably followed pretty close to the railway. As I recall, it probably

 

went closer

 

to the Ibis siding than 66 did. I also found a dirt road parallel to 66 on the

 

way to Goffs. It

 

was on the south side of the paved road and went for miles parallel to the paved

 

alignment. There were rail ties across the road at intervals, maybe to prevent

 

washouts

 

during flash flooding. It sure made rough going. There's a picture of this road

 

in the

 

California section of my photos page on my site:

 

http://ushighway66.com/ (look at photo CA04homer04)

 

 

 

I didn't follow this road back east from Homer, but it may have gone more

 

directly towards

 

Klinefelter.

 

 

 

However, I'd generally guess that the 1926 alignment of 66 (and the old utility

 

poles)

 

stayed pretty close to the NOTR. This path was not just the NOTR, but also the

 

National

 

Park to Park Highway, the New Santa Fe Trail and perhaps some other named trails

 

to LA.

 

In Barstow the NOTR picked up some other roads such as the Pikes Peak Ocean to

 

Ocean

 

and the Arrowhead Trail. The best places to look for clues would be Caltran's

 

library in the

 

LA/San Bernardino area, the main libraries and historical societies, the state

 

archives in

 

Sacramento, and I'd also try writing to the experts on the Mojave area at the

 

Mojave Desert

 

Heritage and Cultural Association:

 

http://www.mdhca.org/

 

 

 

They are based in Goffs and may be able to tell you about the NOTR in the

 

Mojave.

 

 

 

 

 

Parsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, adamghost@a... wrote:

 

> Speaking of named highways from the '20s, I wanted to follow up on an earlier

 

post on

 

here. I've been making trips out to the Mojave for the last several months and

 

acquiring

 

old maps to investigate the original routing of Route 66 through California and

 

in so doing

 

I think I've found and traced several alignments of the National Old Trails

 

Highway and

 

found some really fascinating things....really great places to hike or do some

 

4-wheeling,

 

and I think I've accumulated some information about the NOTH that's never really

 

been

 

gone into in depth before.

 

>

 

> I've decided that I'm going to try to put up a website at some point soon and

 

share some

 

of what I've found...I have a few pix and enough info to make a rudamentary

 

website and

 

in the fall when it cools down I hope to go out with a digital camera and get

 

some more

 

pix.

 

>

 

> I don't have much experience with this kind of thing, though, so I wanted to

 

ask some of

 

the people here who have done roadgeek websites if they have any experience with

 

downloading and modifying TerraServer and USGS maps. Also, I'm thinking of

 

acquiring a

 

domain name... oldtrails.com is taken...what would the roadgeek community think

 

would

 

be the next best one?

 

>

 

> I'd value any suggestions about this...the only web program I possess is Adobe

 

GoLive,

 

but I could probably scam another one off the keyboard player in my band...

 

>

 

> adam

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Hello Walt,

 

Here are a few links I found in a recent search of both the web and my own

 

favorites. You didn't say when the trip will take place, so I'm not sure how

 

much time you have for research. I do know that Newark to Cape May is more

 

like 2/3's the length of the State and Business-Rt-9, (as opposed to The

 

Parkway) is a treasure trove of Diners, Drive-in Ice Cream stands, Motels

 

and the like. But it could take an entire day to drive that highway, as it

 

has also become one giant strip-mall in places.

 

 

 

You will enjoy Cape May for the Victorianna and surrounding Shore Resort

 

areas for the Deco and Googie Architecture. And if you are interested in

 

Nature, . . one of the world's largest fresh water Aquifers and Aviaries.

 

 

 

Let me extend a warm welcome to "The Garden State".

 

... Chris, "NJ Exit 7-A"

 

 

 

 

 

http://aesop.rutgers.edu/~rugardens/

 

 

 

http://www.hoganphoto.com/new_page_1.htm

 

 

 

http://www.gsenet.org/library/12lnd/pinelnds.php

 

 

 

http://www.wildnj.com/br4-14.htm

 

 

 

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/map/nj.html

 

 

 

http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/motel/newjersey/

 

 

 

http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/newJersey/

 

 

 

http://theshadowlands.net/places/newjersey.htm

 

 

 

http://www.weirdnj.com/home/index.html

 

 

 

http://www.sca-roadside.org/events/wildwood/

 

 

 

http://www.roadsidepeek.com/rpeekeast/mote...otel/index2.htm

 

 

 

http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/googie/moonMotelSign.php

 

 

 

http://bobjagendorf.smugmug.com/gallery/352028

 

 

 

http://www.eccentricamerica.net/links.cfm

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...5-2000May6.html

 

 

 

http://www.houseplantpicturestudio.com/HPS...ol/parasol.html

 

 

 

http://www.wildwoodsnj.com/press/newsDetail.asp?id=32

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Hello friends-

 

>

 

> I just learned I will be making a "family business" trip to New Jersey. I

 

> will be flying into Newark from Denver (cheapest fares by far!) then

 

> driving the length of the state to Cape May on the Garden State Parkway

 

> (rt 9). I won't have much time to sight see, but I don't want to miss any

 

> easy landmarks I could catch along the road. I want to be sure to visit

 

> the starting point of my favorite Highway 40 in Atlantic City - can

 

> anyone that has been there recently help me with directions or landmarks?

 

> Also, any advice of other sites a short distance from the Parkway would

 

> be appreciated.

 

>

 

> Also, any of you that are interested in the Denver, CO area please

 

> contact me to swap stories or compare notes.

 

>

 

> Thanks --

 

>

 

> Walt Hackney

 

> Gyrfal@J...

 

>

 

>

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