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May 8, 2007

Hi Cindy,

The Red Arrow Highway was Old US 12 before I-94 was opened.

It is called Red Arrow Highway starting approximately midway between

Oshtemo and Paw Paw. It runs into Territorial Rd. on the East side of

Benton Harbor, then a jog south on Water and continue west on Main

St., then another jog on Wayne to Port to continue south on Main St.

through St. Joseph. South of St. Joe town Main turns into Lakeshore.

This whole section is marked as Business I-94 and is easy to follow.

Further south of St. Joe the road turns back into Red Arrow Highway.

It crosses I-94 a couple of times and continues to New Buffalo

at the SW corner of the state, and eventually runs into the few miles

of original US 12 in the southwest corner of the state.

Old US 12 started in Grand Circus Park in Downtown Detroit and

ran west with US 16 on Grand River until it split off at the eastern

beginning of Plymouth Rd. It went through Redford, Livonia, Plymouth,

Dixboro, Ann Arbor, Lima Center, Chelsea, Sylvan Center, Leoni,

Jackson, Sandstone, Parma, Albion, Marengo, Marshall, Battle Creek,

Lakeview, Galesburg, Comstock, Oshtemo, Paw Paw, Teapot Dome,

Lawrence, Hartford, Watervliet, Coloma, Twelve Corners, Benton

Harbor, St. Joseph, Shoreham, Glen Lord, Stevensville, Bridgman,

Shorewood Hills, Bethany Beach, Sawyer, Birchwood, Hazelhurst,

Harbert, Turner Shores, Lakeside, Lakeview, Union Pier, Gordon

Beach, Sokol Camp, New Buffalo and Grand Beach. Except for a

few jogs virtually the entire Old US 12 in Michigan is still there and

driveable.

When I-94 was finished they decommissioned the old US 12 route

and redesignated the southerly US 112 route as US 12, in June of

1961. This is very confusing to most people. Except for the last two

miles or so, everything in Michigan that now is marked as US 12 either

was Old US 112 or some other road or improvement. For more info.

on this see Marc Fannin's Michiana Roads web page at:

http://www.roadfan.com/michroad.html

Robert Droz's US Highway pages at

http://www.us-highways.com/

And read the article on US 12 by the Federal Highway Administration's

Historian Richard F. Weingroff:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/us12.htm

This New US 12 (old US 112) follows the route of the Old Chicago

Road and the Old Sauk Trail, and has recently been awarded Heritage

Trail Status by the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT).

For more info. about this see:

http://www.swmicomm.org/SWMC/US12.htm..

Three Oaks is on new US 12, about 5 miles east of the Red Arrow

Highway and New Buffalo. This section was never part of the

Original Old US 112 which jogged south into Indiana at Elkhart

(now MI 205 to Indiana 19) then ran west with US 20 through South

Bend and ended in Rolling Prairie, IN near the famous Bob's Barbeque.

US 20 / Old US 112 west of South Bend was also the Lincoln

Highway Route. So the original Old US 112 never went all the way

west across Michigan.

I study and collect Old US 12 and Old US 112, and have a large collection

of ephemera, road maps, postcards and souvenirs of these two routes.

I have the domain names US12.org and US112.com and eventually plan on

having two web-sites to display my collection. I drive these routes all

the time.

Everyone get out there and drive these roads now, there's lots to see, do

and

eat, and stay off that nasty I-94!!

ypsi-slim

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:00:12 -0000 "krtntt" <ceto11@yahoo.com> writes:

I am a new member.

Wanted more information about the

red arrow highway in Michigan.

Tried to search the archives before I posted this question

but the results kept focusing on narrow highway.

Have any members traveled this highway?

Think we traveled a portion of it to

a town called Three Oaks to visit the

Three Oaks Spokes bicycle museum.

As our guide, we had an outdated

version of Michigan's Off the Beaten Path.

We discovered that the museum was no

longer in the historic depot. Fortunately,

there was a note redirecting us to the library.

May 8, 2007

Hey all - hope you're stayin' cool this summer. It's

time for your Lincoln Highway e-newletter!

Bob Lichty, President of the Lincoln Highway

Association announced some great news last

week:

"Last Tuesday, Jess Peterson, received and deposited

a check for $100,000.00 (yes the decimal point is in

the right place) that was sent to LHA from an

anonymous donor. The money came from the Fund for

Charitable Giving from the PNC Bank, in Pittsburgh, PA.

It is a donor directed fund, with no receipt or restrictions

necessary.....We both were very skeptical and did not

want it to commingle with other club financial information.

I called the bank in Pennsylvania to find out if the check

was real and not some sort of mistake or scam. I can tell

you it is real. Our long term poverty stricken club now

has some money, thanks to someone. I repeat, this is not

a spoof. We really have $100,000. While I really wanted

to tell you I raised it myself during my first month of

Presidency, it came in all by itself."

Jeff Kitsko has updated his PA US 30 website.

Check it out at:

http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html

That DARNED Lincoln Highway!! Brian Butko

sent this link about gridlock on our favorite hwy,

who knew?

http://xrl.us/grea

I found even more complaining!! What's goin' on?

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/15399

Carson City buys part of the old LH - Kings

Canyon Road - to stop development:

http://xrl.us/greh

Woodbine, IA is sprucing up:

http://xrl.us/grej

Another article about, and interview with, Brian

Butko, author of Greetings ftom the Lincoln

Highway:

http://xrl.us/grem

and at PennLive.com

http://xrl.us/gxoy

and another from Cantonrep.com: (requires login):

http://xrl.us/greq

Newly published book on Fulton, Il history,

House by the Side of the Road includes tales

of the old LH:

http://xrl.us/gren

More on the Pile to Pike Bike Trail, which

will include an a bypassed PA Turnpike tunnel:

http://xrl.us/grep

Mike Buettner in Lima reports some good new -

The missing 500 lb granite historical marker

from the Gomer, OH bridge on the LH has been

recovered:

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=15783

An epsiode of the HBO show Carnivale which

aired earlier this spring was titled Lincoln Highway:

http://xrl.us/gu7n

Will Cindy's Diner in Fort Wayne be forced to

move from it's prominent LH corner?

http://xrl.us/gu7p

Jess Peterson sends a link to another LHA

member's tribute to the Lincoln Huighway

Garage in York, PA (click on the mural link

on the menu at the left):

http://www.automasters.com/

A New Haven, IN couple restores their Victorian

home on the LH:

http://xrl.us/gu7u

On June 6 the City of West Wendover, NV

rededicated "Wendover Will". Read more

about it at the city's web site:

http://www.westwendovercity.com/

...and the Carson City Mint has produced a

Wendover Will commemorative medallion:

http://xrl.us/gu7z

A story about Middlegate Station on the LH

in Nevada:

http://xrl.us/gu72

Help save the Columbia, PA Drive-In Movie

Theatre on the LH:

http://ydr.com/story/letters/78473/

Google has a new hybrid satellite pics and

mapping program. Try the beta at:

http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h

(why is Indiana gray?)

Another article about LH cross-county bicyclist,

Don Dauphinais from LimaOhio.com:

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=16286

Lincoln Highway Days is coming for Nevada, IA -

since 1983:

www.lincolnhighwaydays.com

An article about the OH LH statewide "Buy-Way"

garage sale featuring LHA's Larry Webb:

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=16016

More OH LH Garage Sale "Buy-Way"publicity:

http://xrl.us/gxo3

Here's the official press release:

contact: Mike Hocker, Executive Director

Ohio Lincoln Highway Heritage Corridor

419-468-6773

120 Harding Way East, Galion, OH 44833

Packgpwr@bright.net

Group Yard Salers Number Well Over Fifty; Ready for 241 Mile-Long

"Buy-Way" Yard Sale

The Ohio Lincoln Highway's Historic Byway decided to throw a yard sale

across the state, and look who's coming! On August 11, 12 and 13,

over fifty group yard sale, parking lot and other festive events are

set to happen from East Liverpool to the Indiana state line west of Van

Wert, by organizations like Kiwanis, volunteer fire departments,

scouts, church groups, historical societies and just about anybody who

has an empty lot along the Lincoln Highway in Ohio.

Executive Director Mike Hocker said, "we have been amazed by this first

year's responses...both from organizations wanting to participate, and

people planning their summer travel schedules and wanting to include

this 'Buy-Way' Yard Sale.

“And people are getting really creative. I can't wait to get out there,

myself and see," he said.

"For instance, the Minerva Scenic Railway is running a special event

and boarding and deboarding shoppers at a large yard sale along the

tracks. Wooster is talking about a chain saw carving event, and some

towns have moved their community-wide yard sale week to this one."

Martha Starkey, President of the OLHHC and Wayne County Convention &

Visitors Bureau Director commented, "This three day event is a win-win

event ideal for many smaller communities along the Lincoln Highway to

bring in loads of tourists, bargain-hunters and collectors from all

over. This brings even more business to restaurants, gas stations and

other retails along the way."

Communities along all alignments of the highway's history include East

Liverpool, Lisbon, Hanoverton, Kensington, East Rochester, Minerva,

Robertsville, East Canton and Canton, Massillon, East Greenville,

Dalton, Riceland, Wooster, Jefferson, Reedsburg, New Pittsburg,

Rowsburg, Reedsburg, Jeromesville, Hayesville, Ashland, Mifflin,

Mansfield, Ontario, Crestline, Galion, Leesville, Bucyrus, Oceola,

Nevada, Upper Sandusky, Forest, Dunkirk, Williamstown, Dola, Ada,

Beaverdam, Cairo, Lima, Elida, Gomer, Delphos, Van Wert and Convoy.

Starkey noted that the Lincoln Highway generally follows U.S. Route 30

but had several alignments over the years of its heyday as America's

first transcontinental paved road from 1913 to 1928. "Tourists who are

unfamiliar with the road should watch for the red, white and blue signs

with the large "L", and if all else fails," Starkey emphasized, "it

doesn't hurt to stop and ask the locals if you get confused."

Currently, almost every community has at least one group activity

planned. Some yard salers are carrying Lincoln Highway souvenir items,

too. Starkey added that there will be a special Lincoln Highway

Trading Post memorabilia sales trailer featured at Galion's Park Square

on Thursday, Shisler's Cheese House at Kidron Road east of Wooster on

Friday and at the Classic 57 Diner in Minerva on Saturday.

For an updated list of group events, visit the website,

www.lhbuyway.com or call 419-468-6773.

Ebay Auctions:

An LHA OH member caught us all napping when he

was able to snag an LH Army Convoy medal for

only $39.95!!!:

http://xrl.us/gska

A 50's era color postcard of Eddie's Diner in

Quincy, MA went for $455 last month!

(sorry no pic)

Aero Filling Stations Motorist Guide of Wyoming

from 1922 went for $78.89

http://xrl.us/gu73

A nice real photo postcard of the Albuquerque

Auto Court and Gas Station went for $214.39:

http://xrl.us/gu75

A real photo postcard of the Tower Coffee shop

in Lake Tahoe went for $55.35:

http://xrl.us/gu76

A replica set of Burma Shave signs went for $235:

http://xrl.us/gu79

A scarce real photo view of the Coffee Pot

Restaurant and Atlantic Gas Station on the LH

in Bedford, PA went for: $92.29:

http://xrl.us/gu8c

A never before seen Tips to Travelers - 1941

Edition - U.S. 30 (U.S. 50 in Utah & Nevada)

The Lincoln Highway - The Main Street of The

Nation - San Francisco to New York, hand

drawn, went for $154.49:

http://xrl.us/gu8d

A real photo of the Twin Bridges store on US 50

on Lake Tahoe went for $94:

http://xrl.us/gu8e

A real photo postcard of a horse and buggy

at Donner Lake went for $82.56:

http://xrl.us/gu8f

A nice printed black & white postcard of the

New Yorker Diner in Reno went for $72.85:

http://xrl.us/gu8g

A nice real photo of an old auto on the dirt

road Donner Pass went for $62.99

http://xrl.us/gxo9

A set of six nice poster art postcards for

Newark NJ's 250th anniversary celebration

went for $103.50:

http://xrl.us/gxpc

A scarce Bill's Place real photo view on the LH

in PA went for $47.60:

http://xrl.us/gxpd

A supposed LH view of Laurel, MD went

for $52.00:

http://xrl.us/gxpe

The LH never went thru Maryland but I have

seen a few postcards that insisted that it did,

plus a token from the Lincoln Highway Seafood

Company in Baltimore!?

A nice condition cardboard LH cigar box went

for $80.75:

http://xrl.us/gxpf

that's all for now.........stay off those interstates!

ypsi-slim

May 8, 2007

I agree with you.

Claudette

>From: banks413@aol.com

>Reply-To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

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>Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Blue Ridge Parkway

>Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:50:30 EDT

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>The Smokies are the prettiest part of the parkway and the highest

>mountains.

>Very beautiful

>Ann

>

May 8, 2007

My daughter lived in Seattle for a long time (she just moved to Eugene, Oregon)

and she raved about Ivor's ... we visited her several times, but never went

there. Gail (a newbie on the list and have been having internet problems so have

not posted an intro or a hello ...

I live in central Arizona just outside of Sedona ...

Gail

rudkip@sbcglobal.net wrote:

I am not real knowlegable in this area but there is a fish place in Seattle

called Ivor's (I believe it is on Puget Sound) which, if it is still there

is very much worth experiencing...for those out there who have been to Ted

Drewe's in St. Louis, in my mind it is the Ted Drewes of fish joints...the

fish was good but the experience of watching a bunch of people serve a bunch

of people made it even more worthwhile! Tsingtao Kip

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May 8, 2007

That was Rachel Morris. Last I heard, she is teaching English in Korea, but

here?s her website: www.lomohomes.com/silvertoes

Of interest to roadies on her site are some road photos and this: ?Between

1998 and 2002 I co-founded, edited and contributed to the magazine

'Traveller's Times'. My first book, 'Gaining Ground: Law Reform for Gypsies

and Travellers'....?

Brian Butko

(The guy in the video at Wigwam Village with wife Sarah, 3 kids, and 1 bed!)

http://www.brianbutko.com (made on a Mac)

From: "Chris" <chris@experiencenascar.com>

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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:53:04 -0000

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Subject: Spam:[AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Wigwam in Holbrook, AZ and Rialto, CA

I noticed the PBS program that showcased travel oddities, including the

Wigwam, was making the rounds of our local TV listings last week or so.

Who was that "friend of the road" touring with the Apple iBook?

"I think, therefore iMac" . . Chris

May 8, 2007

PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Distribution

August 26, 2005

Title: Route 66 Roadies, Authors, and Artists to Gather at Wigwams

Wednesday, September 14 will be a special day at the Wigwam Motel in Rialto.

The very finest of Route 66 Roadies, Authors and Artists will be having an all

day poolside gathering at this historic lodging location along Route 66.

These well versed Mother Road enthusiasts will be having this informal and

friendly get together gathering as a 'meet and greet' occasion for guests and

visitors who stop by the day before the kick-off of this years San Bernardino

Route

66 Rendezvous celebrations. Artists and authors will display their works at the

Wigwam Motel and also during the Rendezvous events at the "Route 66 Authors

and Artists Expo," located at the City Hall Turnaround, at D and Third Streets.

Fellow Route 66 roadies and enthusiasts are invited to drop in at the Wigwam

Motel anytime during the afternoon to early evening of September 14. This

would be a great time for a personal meet and greet photo opportunity with some

of

Route 66's finest roadies. A large number of the roadies will be in

attendance, some of whom will be:

David Knudson, president of the National Route 66 Federation

Jim Conkle, founder and president of the California Route 66 Preservation

Foundation.

Kathy Anderson, former president of the Oklahoma Route 66 Association

Bob 'crocodile' Lile, current president of the Texas Route 66 Association

Kevin Hansel, president of the California Historic Route 66 Association

Debra Hodkin, director of Barstow's Route 66 Mother Road Museum

Manoj Patel, family owner of the historic Wigwam Motel. The Patel family has

done a true justice for Route 66 with all of their hard work in completely

restoring and preserving this vintage beauty icon along the Mother Road.

Scott Piotrowski, author of "Finding the End of the Mother Road: Route 66 in

Los Angeles County" and is also known for his fine photography and video's.

Ken Turmel, artist who mastered the first Route 66 artwork that actually

traveled the entire length of the Mother Road while it was being created. The

art

is a Route 66 Tribute masterpiece to see!

Turmel's work has become known worldwide as PostmarkArt.

Jim Ross, a well versed and award winning historian who authored "Oklahoma

Route 66." His extensive research travels along Route 66 are unparalleled, and

they are evident in his writings.

Jerry McClanahan, water color and oil paintings extraordinaire! Jerry has a

special touch with his talents as he poses new and vintage automobiles with

famous vintage Route 66 icon locations.

Swa Frantzen, of Belgium, webmaster of the very first web site dedicated to

Route 66 www.historic66.com

The famous 66 icon Wigwam Motel location was especially chosen for this

roadie poolside gathering for a very good reason. The Wigwam Motel is recognized

as

California's most famous Route 66 motel, built in the city of San Bernardino

during the later half of 1949. The Indian inspired motel features a life like

village style arrangement of nineteen 30 foot teepees, complete with all of

the traveler's essentials including a barbecue and swimming pool. The original

developer of this retro motel was a man by the name of Frank Redford, who was

heavily influenced by the native Indian art and culture. He brought his

imagination to a reality in the early 1930's, as he built a prototype of his

creative

teepee shaped cabin. A total of seven Wigwam Motels were built throughout the

nation, only 3 of which exist today. This newly restored and renovated

classic and cozy motel continues to live on, going on its 56th anniversary,

through

the support of car enthusiasts, roadies, tourists, travelers and most

importantly preservationists. No doubt, this is a very good reason to stop by

and

gather around the Wigwam Motel.

Further information can be viewed online at www.wigwammotel.com

Contact Manoj Patel at 909-721-3949 or e-mail at wigwamrte66@yahoo.com to

make any lodging arrangements, or contact Ken Turmel at

thelandrunner@hotmail.com

with any questions about the Route 66 Roadie, Authors, and Artists Poolside

Gathering at the Wigwams.

May 8, 2007

Hi. I used to live in El Paso and visited Juarez frequently. If you

want to visit there, don't be afraid to, however there are precautions to

take. First, I reccomend parking in El Paso and walking across. If you

do drive across you will need to purchase insurance. Mecican law

requires you to have Mexican insurance. Your US insurance won't be

valid. Also, Juarez for the most part is very poor and like any US city

I would not advise daytime trips only (or atleast don't leave the main

drag). Juarez is the largest city on the US/Mexican boarder and has a

lot to see, including the bull fights (if you are into that) and

everything is cheap. Just remember that you are not in the US anymore

and mind your own business. I would not advise travelling out of

Juarez. There really is nothing there to see. All dessert and breaking

down would not be good. I would go and have fun, but be careful.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:41:20 +0100

From: "UKRoads"

Subject: Re: Re: Travelling Less?

Thank you all for your suggestions regarding our trip into Southern

New

Mexico & Arizona. As always both groups , American Road and Route 66

have

come up trumps and given us plenty to think about. It is greatly

appreciated.

We are going to stick with the Southern route as we want to visit

Bisbee &

Tombstone, so I'm afraid Show Low & Globe will have to wait another

time.

Any further suggestions about the roads around the Roswell, Artesia,

Almogorordo & Ruidiso guys, I'm still not sure where we should be

going in

that area?

Also, should we just go west on I-10 at Las Cruces or is it worth

going

south to El Paso and Ciudad Juaraez?

You input will help save my wife from endless miles of driving to the

wrong

place in the wrong direction, she thanks you!

Regards Walter from Glasgow

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May 10, 2007

Michael Wallis, author of the best-selling "Route 66: The Mother

Road," gave us some potentially big news regarding the Vision 2025

Route 66 project in Tulsa. The National Historic Route 66 Federation,

based in California, is very interested in establishing a travel

center in a Route 66 interpretive center that would be built near the

historic 11th Street Bridge.

"Since founding the Federation, we have believed a center that is a

nationwide resource for the Mother Road would serve several important

purposes," wrote David Knudson, executive director.

"Tulsa, because of its geographic location and its commitment to the

history of the route, would be an excellent choice for the center."

In return, Wallis has promised Knudson his involvement in the

day-to-day operations of the center.

The involvement of the National Historic Route 66 Federation is a big

sweetener for the proposed interpretive center. The federation has

taken a large leadership role on Route 66, including staging major

events across the country, providing tourism advice and products, and

playing a vital role in the passage of the Route 66 Corridor

Preservation Program. A federation travel center would be a key

addition to a building that would house a cafe, museum, high-tech

interactive displays, meeting rooms and other attractions.

A Route 66 interpretive center would be a good thing for Tulsa and the

historic road. It would attract travelers that would ordinarily bypass

Route 66 via Interstate 44 and 244. It would bring more visitors to

downtown. The site would be easily accessible from the interstate and

Riverside Drive. In general, it would create more interest in Route 66

and help the entire road, especially in Tulsa County.

For this project, Wallis and Route 66 need your help. You need to

snail-mail letters of support for the proposed Route 66 interpretive

center near the 11th Street Bridge. Letters should be addressed to:

Mayor Bill LaFortune

200 Civic Center

Tulsa, OK 74103

and also to:

Route 66 Design Committee

111 S. Greenwood Ave.

Tulsa, OK 74120

You folks who wrote letters urging the preservation of El Vado Motel

in Albuquerque helped stop the bulldozers. To help Route 66 have a

brighter future, Wallis is asking you to help again by supporting the

Vision 2025 Route 66 recommendations.

Ron Warnick

Tulsa, OK

www.route66news.org

May 11, 2007

Hello all,

Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at College park, Maryland.

I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the kind of places that

could be visited in this part of the country during the winter break.

1. Not more than 8 hours drive.

2. Group of 6 travelling.

3. Not much money need be spent.

4. Game for any kind of topography.

Appreciate it,

Cheers,

Vikram

May 12, 2007

Only 7 months before the Ride Thru Time Galaxie Club and the Ford

Classics Touring Club hit the road-we'll be spending June 10-25, 2006

on Route 66 with 20 cars.

2007 will see us traveling the northern plains over to Idaho, then

north and east through 7 National Parks and Monuments, and some of the

twistiest 2-lane roads west of the Mississippi.

You can find more information about our trips at

www.fordclassicstouring.org

Tony

May 12, 2007

I'm wondering if someone can help me. In the second week of February, I will be

flying out to Las Vegas for a week-long vacation. We have a room and everything

and will be doing the full tourist thing while we're there. However, what I

want to do is go to California and have my picture taken in front of the sign

just as you enter the state and go back to Vegas. What I would like to know

is...is there anything within the state line at that point that would be fun to

see without having to go all the way to LA? I don't want to get too far from

Vegas, being as we'll have to turn around and go back to the hotel that night.

I'm into anything related to parks and mountains as I want to take some good

scenery shots to take back home with me. Are there any parks nearby? Thanks!

Dorothy

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May 12, 2007

Sounds like a fun trip. I'm not quite in Memphis but I'm closer than I

usually am. I am about 130 miles away in Paris, TN, and hope to be in

Memphis tomorrow. My plans aren't as firm as I had hoped they would be by

now but the most likely move from Memphis is heading north on US-61 on

Friday. But your report and mention of Clarksdale has me looking at the maps

again.

Denny Gibson

Cincinnati, OH

www.DennyGibson.com

-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Burr [mailto:hester_nec@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

Greetings from the heart of Delta Blues Country; well, in my case

I'm sitting on the northern edge of it in Memphis.

Yesterday, the 27th of Dec, my daughter and I took a day and drove

to Clarksdale, MS, using Old Highway 61, as much as possible - which

is most of the way between Walls and Lula, MS. We did get off track

a couple of times as the road, whild adequately marked, is easy to

miss at times.

For me, this was a trip back in time - almost 50 years to be

exact. Of course 50 years ago I wasn't really looking at the

scenery. It's a tad difficult to enjoy the local color when you're

running 61 north at 80 or so with somebody behind you bent on

stopping you for the liquid refreshment you are carrying in the

trunk of the car.

But, I did recognize a few places, such as the Journey Inn and

Court (think thats right) on the south side of Memphis near the

TN/MS line. Most of the by-passed towns along Old 61 seem to have

retreated into stop sign cross-roads, now - the map shows places

such as Lake Cormorant, Newport, Evansville, but I didn't see much

of what could be called a "town".

Tunica proper hasn't changed a lot in 50 years - they do have a

wonderful Veterans Memorial on the south side of town that appears

to be well cared for and is worth a stop - there's a wide spot

across the street where you can pull over safely.

Most all of the old road is 2 lane, and narrow. But it is pretty

much empty now that the current "New" U S 61 to the east is 4 lane

divided for the folks in a hurry. The section between Grand Casino

Parkway N and Casino Strip Blvd, in Clack, is 4 lane - for the

convienence of the gambling tourists - but that's about it.

We actually made nearly as good time on the old road as we would

have on the new 61 - if you were just interested in driving from

here to there you'd only loose maybe 15 minutes or so. No traffic

for the most part, and what was out there was local and light.

We almost went to Arkansas coming out of Lula. Wound up on U S 49

and turned right, when we should have turned left. Oh, well, I got

a nice picture of a marker telling about the Henando DeSoto Memorial

Bridge - did he REALLY get this far north?? However, we discovered

our navigational error before arriving at the bridge (should have

gone just a little further and took a picture of it) and returned to

61 and south to Clarksdale

While we entere Clarksdale on 161 (State Street) we didn't see any

signs directing us to the Delta Blues Museum. It seems we should

have taken 161 (or you can take the 61 by-pass and turn onto Martin

Luther King Blvd, as you should from 161. Turn onto Desoto Avenue

and then onto 3rd Street. Blues Alley, Ground Zero Blues Club

(Morgan Freeman's place) and several other attractions are just down

3rd on the left.

We found it the easy way. There was an old lady standing by the

side of the street waving to us. So we stopped, she wanted a

birthday hug and $2.99 to buy herself a birthday cake. We asked her

how to get to the museum; she told us to turn around, take a right

at the stop sign, a left at the next stop sign and another left at a

3rd stop sign. Yeah, right!!!!!!!! So we gave her $3 for

her "birthday cake" and followed her directions - right into the

parking lot at the Delta Blues Musuem!!!!! I told my daughter we

should have gone back and given the lady another $5!!!!

The Delta Blues Museum is a great place for Blues enthusiasts to

visit. Tons of photos with descriptive texts, guitars of famous

blues players, like Pinetop Perkins and B. B. King (the "B. B."

stands for "Blues Boy" by the way, and even Muddy Waters cabin from

the plantation he was raised on. They also have a audio/video

presentation. ( http://www.deltabluesmuseum.com/ )

After we left the museum we traveled south on 49 for about a mile

or so to Hopson Plantation, which is also the home of the Shack Up

Inn B&B (B&B =- Bed and Beer - the fellow told us they don't cook).

Since this narrative is getting rather lenghty we'll just give you a

URL to visit ( http://www.shackupinn.com/ ) for more information.

Rates are reasonable at $45, $55, and $65 - but you need to make

reservations way in advance as the place is very popular.

We returned to Memphis via "new" 61 - a lot more stress full, but

at least the truck traffic wasn't all that heavy. So if you get

down this way someday, take a quiet country drive down Old Highway

61. I'll post some photos when I get a chance to download them.

Hudsonly,

Alex B

May 12, 2007

Denny:

A couple of places you might check out on the culinary side...in downtown

Clarksdale there is an excellent greasy spoon called the Delta Amusement

Blues Cafe (on Delta St. I believe, just down from Ground Zero); if the

father of the owner is there it is worth the stop--not to mention great

food!) and in Tunica at the corner of 61 and SR 4 is the Blue and White Cafe

(you will stop there anyway because of the sign, which is awesome)...there

is also a place at the tourist trapsters "crossroads" in Clarksdale called

Abe's BBQ--I have never eaten there but it has been there forever (since

1926 I believe)...one more thing; if you happen to take the "wrong turn"

onto 49 and head towards the Bridge, right before the bridge turn left on SR

1 and go to Friars Point--the North Delta Blues Museum which is a neat piece

of eclecticism which also pays tribute to Friar's Point's favorite son,

Conway Twitty...oops one more thing; if you are looking for a guide for this

area and all areas blues there is an excellent book called "Blues

Travelling: The Holy Sites of the Delta Blues" by Steve Cheeseborough...you

can pick up a copy in Clarksdale at Cat Head Delta Blues and Folk Art, 252

Delta Ave (just down from Delta Amusement Blues Cafe)...the owner, Roger

Stolle, is worth a chat up....hell I got to go to work! Enjoy the Ride, and

REMEBER MOON PIES man, MOON PIES! Friends don't let friends eat Twinkies!

Tsingtao Kip

----- Original Message -----

From: "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:39 AM

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

> Sounds like a fun trip. I'm not quite in Memphis but I'm closer than I

> usually am. I am about 130 miles away in Paris, TN, and hope to be in

> Memphis tomorrow. My plans aren't as firm as I had hoped they would be by

> now but the most likely move from Memphis is heading north on US-61 on

> Friday. But your report and mention of Clarksdale has me looking at the

maps

> again.

>

> Denny Gibson

> Cincinnati, OH

> www.DennyGibson.com

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Alex Burr [mailto:hester_nec@yahoo.com]

> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

>

> Greetings from the heart of Delta Blues Country; well, in my case

> I'm sitting on the northern edge of it in Memphis.

> Yesterday, the 27th of Dec, my daughter and I took a day and drove

> to Clarksdale, MS, using Old Highway 61, as much as possible - which

> is most of the way between Walls and Lula, MS. We did get off track

> a couple of times as the road, whild adequately marked, is easy to

> miss at times.

> For me, this was a trip back in time - almost 50 years to be

> exact. Of course 50 years ago I wasn't really looking at the

> scenery. It's a tad difficult to enjoy the local color when you're

> running 61 north at 80 or so with somebody behind you bent on

> stopping you for the liquid refreshment you are carrying in the

> trunk of the car.

> But, I did recognize a few places, such as the Journey Inn and

> Court (think thats right) on the south side of Memphis near the

> TN/MS line. Most of the by-passed towns along Old 61 seem to have

> retreated into stop sign cross-roads, now - the map shows places

> such as Lake Cormorant, Newport, Evansville, but I didn't see much

> of what could be called a "town".

> Tunica proper hasn't changed a lot in 50 years - they do have a

> wonderful Veterans Memorial on the south side of town that appears

> to be well cared for and is worth a stop - there's a wide spot

> across the street where you can pull over safely.

> Most all of the old road is 2 lane, and narrow. But it is pretty

> much empty now that the current "New" U S 61 to the east is 4 lane

> divided for the folks in a hurry. The section between Grand Casino

> Parkway N and Casino Strip Blvd, in Clack, is 4 lane - for the

> convienence of the gambling tourists - but that's about it.

> We actually made nearly as good time on the old road as we would

> have on the new 61 - if you were just interested in driving from

> here to there you'd only loose maybe 15 minutes or so. No traffic

> for the most part, and what was out there was local and light.

> We almost went to Arkansas coming out of Lula. Wound up on U S 49

> and turned right, when we should have turned left. Oh, well, I got

> a nice picture of a marker telling about the Henando DeSoto Memorial

> Bridge - did he REALLY get this far north?? However, we discovered

> our navigational error before arriving at the bridge (should have

> gone just a little further and took a picture of it) and returned to

> 61 and south to Clarksdale

> While we entere Clarksdale on 161 (State Street) we didn't see any

> signs directing us to the Delta Blues Museum. It seems we should

> have taken 161 (or you can take the 61 by-pass and turn onto Martin

> Luther King Blvd, as you should from 161. Turn onto Desoto Avenue

> and then onto 3rd Street. Blues Alley, Ground Zero Blues Club

> (Morgan Freeman's place) and several other attractions are just down

> 3rd on the left.

> We found it the easy way. There was an old lady standing by the

> side of the street waving to us. So we stopped, she wanted a

> birthday hug and $2.99 to buy herself a birthday cake. We asked her

> how to get to the museum; she told us to turn around, take a right

> at the stop sign, a left at the next stop sign and another left at a

> 3rd stop sign. Yeah, right!!!!!!!! So we gave her $3 for

> her "birthday cake" and followed her directions - right into the

> parking lot at the Delta Blues Musuem!!!!! I told my daughter we

> should have gone back and given the lady another $5!!!!

> The Delta Blues Museum is a great place for Blues enthusiasts to

> visit. Tons of photos with descriptive texts, guitars of famous

> blues players, like Pinetop Perkins and B. B. King (the "B. B."

> stands for "Blues Boy" by the way, and even Muddy Waters cabin from

> the plantation he was raised on. They also have a audio/video

> presentation. ( http://www.deltabluesmuseum.com/ )

> After we left the museum we traveled south on 49 for about a mile

> or so to Hopson Plantation, which is also the home of the Shack Up

> Inn B&B (B&B =- Bed and Beer - the fellow told us they don't cook).

> Since this narrative is getting rather lenghty we'll just give you a

> URL to visit ( http://www.shackupinn.com/ ) for more information.

> Rates are reasonable at $45, $55, and $65 - but you need to make

> reservations way in advance as the place is very popular.

> We returned to Memphis via "new" 61 - a lot more stress full, but

> at least the truck traffic wasn't all that heavy. So if you get

> down this way someday, take a quiet country drive down Old Highway

> 61. I'll post some photos when I get a chance to download them.

>

> Hudsonly,

> Alex B

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May 12, 2007

Ahhh, Kipper. Your post about the Delta has unearthed memories.

I've been to Abe's BBQ. I highly recommend it. Was there near the end

of a trip to see all the blues sites in Clarksdale and on U.S. 61. If

you want to look at Abe's mouth-watering BBQ sandwiches, go here:

http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Writeup.as...5&RefID=205

Me and a buddy were driving down 61 in a convertible on an

unseasonably warm day in October. We were between Tunica and

Clarksdale, where cotton fields stretch as far as the eye can see. We

were blasting ZZ Top's "My Head's in Mississippi" when we saw a crop

duster spraying the fields. To our astonishment, we looked up to see

the crazy pilot going right over our heads, UNDER the power lines that

line the road.

"I don't think that's exactly LEGAL!" my buddy said.

"So who's going to pull him over and give him a ticket?" I replied.

At the time, the Blues Museum in Clarksdale was in the local library.

It was cool, but we cherished going out to the Stovall Plantation

north of town to see the remains of Muddy Waters' cabin. The roof of

the long-abandoned shack had been blown off by a tornado years ago,

but the walls still stood. We noticed that other visitors there had

wedged guitar picks into the cracks of the wood. A couple of

sharecroppers who lived nearby put the skunk-eye on us initially, but

relaxed when they realized we were just blues pilgrims. They gave us a

friendly wave when we departed. It was reassuring to see informal

caretakers looking over the place.

Ron Warnick

Tulsa, OK

www.route66news.org

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@s...> wrote:

>

> Denny:

>

> A couple of places you might check out on the culinary side...in

downtown

> Clarksdale there is an excellent greasy spoon called the Delta Amusement

> Blues Cafe (on Delta St. I believe, just down from Ground Zero); if the

> father of the owner is there it is worth the stop--not to mention great

> food!) and in Tunica at the corner of 61 and SR 4 is the Blue and

White Cafe

> (you will stop there anyway because of the sign, which is

awesome)...there

> is also a place at the tourist trapsters "crossroads" in Clarksdale

called

> Abe's BBQ--I have never eaten there but it has been there forever (since

> 1926 I believe)...one more thing; if you happen to take the "wrong turn"

> onto 49 and head towards the Bridge, right before the bridge turn

left on SR

> 1 and go to Friars Point--the North Delta Blues Museum which is a

neat piece

> of eclecticism which also pays tribute to Friar's Point's favorite son,

> Conway Twitty...oops one more thing; if you are looking for a guide

for this

> area and all areas blues there is an excellent book called "Blues

> Travelling: The Holy Sites of the Delta Blues" by Steve

Cheeseborough...you

> can pick up a copy in Clarksdale at Cat Head Delta Blues and Folk

Art, 252

> Delta Ave (just down from Delta Amusement Blues Cafe)...the owner, Roger

> Stolle, is worth a chat up....hell I got to go to work! Enjoy the

Ride, and

> REMEBER MOON PIES man, MOON PIES! Friends don't let friends eat

Twinkies!

> Tsingtao Kip

May 12, 2007

Alex - This and Denny's response go into a Delta Blues Country folder I'd

started a while ago. The last addition was an article in the L.A. Times

on Morgan Freeman's involvement in his Blues Club. It's a ways from

Southern California but will get it into the schedule some day! Great

report!

Dick Bublitz, Advertising Director

American Road

22247 Burbank Blvd.

Woodland Hills, CA 91367

Ph/Fax: 818-992-0366

June 1, 2007

Greetings All,

It's near that time of year again when I would like to make all the

major updates to my Two Lane Links page. If any group members here

have a Route 66 related website and/or other historic two lane

highways, byways and trails related website that they would like to

have listed on the links page, please feel free to send me a private

email and we can go from there.

Also, if you may know of someone else that has a road related website

that they would like to have listed on the links page, please let

them know and have them send me a private email concerning such.

Websites for all Mom and Pop shops, cafes, motels, info resources,

personal travel stories, photo sites, preservation groups, "roadie"

entertainment sites, etc... are all most welcome to be listed.

While on my adventure travels, I am always handing out website flyers

everywhere I go. A win-win for the Roadie Family Circle of Support!

Looking forward to hearing from ya'll.

God Bless and Happy Trails.

Ken Turmel

<http://www.PostmarkArt.com/links.htm>

June 1, 2007

Greener pastures awaits historic diner

By David Liscio

Wednesday, January 18, 2006

LYNN,MA. - During World War II, Lynn residents seeking a hot meal at

a reasonable price flocked to Riley's Diner on Boston Street, one of

75 streamlined, prefabricated structures manufactured between 1936-

1945 by the Sterling Diner Division of the J.B. Judkins Co. of

Merrimac.

Like other diners of its era, Riley's was an icon of American life

and culture, as ubiquitous as the corner store, the barbershop, the

bakery and druggist.

Riley's is the latest piece of that era to fade from the local

landscape, as a flatbed truck from M&M Rigging, hired by the

Providence-R.I.-based American Diner Museum, was scheduled this

morning to lift and whisk Riley's Diner away to its new home in New

Hampshire, where it will be restored

According to Daniel Zilka, spokesman for the American Diner Museum,

Riley's Diner, and the historic streamliner Salem Diner in Salem, are

among the few remaining Sterling-made models.

Zilka said the coordinated removal and demolition in Lynn freed up

the commercial site and also saved the diner.

http://www.thedailyitemoflynn.com/news/vie...articleid=11093

June 1, 2007

Tom, this is any easy one:

TV and traffic!

And computers and video games.

There are many families who never leave the house, when they aren't

going out to school or work, due to these reasons and so they fill

the time and entertain themselves with these passive activities.

Going on even a Sunday pleasure drive takes some amount of planning

and if you have children, even more so, and the destination has to

have the same appeal as the stay at home entertainment, i.e., the

trip has to go to Disney World, or some other entertainment

destination because TV has taught us that it's that kind of activitiy

which is pleasure, and if it isn't that kind of activity, then it's

boring.

(Lest anyone be mistaken, I don't think that, but I believe that's

what has been taught by the content of the TV broadcast/shows, etc.)

John in Maine

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, egyptianzipper@a... wrote:

> I've noticed an opposite trend. When I was a kid, we would take

Saturday or

> Sunday drives in the afternoon many weeks in nice weather.

<Snip>

> It seems like most families don't do this anymore. And they weren't

doing it

> prior to the recent runup in gas prices, so it isn't that. Any

ideas?

>

> Tom Hoffman

> Pearisburg VA

June 1, 2007

Seems that as long as I've been married (and even before that),

jumping in the car for a drive always seemed to be *therapeutic*--it

was a way to sort out my life--a way to change scenery quickly

(without having to get up to "turn the dial" or "change stations"! --

unless, of course, you mean *gas stations* <grin>)

Even when as newlyweds my wife and I would be having an argument,

we'd leave our apartment and continue the argument in the car and

drive from Alamogordo, New Mexico through the desert and over the

Oregon Mountains to Las Cruces... sometimes the argument was

particularly bad, so we'd make it all the way to Deming before

calming down and deciding to turn around and head home. Of course,

we had a tiny Datsun 210 at the time and gas wasn't as exhorbitant

as it is now... but we saw a *lot* of southern New Mexico this way.

<grin>

But even when we weren't arguing, every Saturday we'd scoot up the

road to Cloudcroft or Ruidoso for a *picnic* or just to explore. Or,

we'd drive up through Tularosa to Carrizozo and then over the

Malpais lava flows to Socorro and then down to Las Cruces on I-25

before heading back over the Oregon Mountains and past White Sands

National Monument to Alamogordo. We put a lot of miles on that car.

When we moved to Albuquerque a few years later, we did the same

thing--except we'd drive to Santa Fe and Taos or over to the Bosque

del Apache Wildlife Preserve just to see the scenery and the birds--

whooping cranes, Canadian geese, turkeys, and so on. Every Saturday

and even on Sundays after church, we'd pack up our two toddlers and

explore the downtown and side streets of Albuquerque (route 66 goes

through the middle of town <"Old Town"> and has many interesting

restaurants and hotels and other buildings that reflect the 1950's

and 1960's--such as the "Owl Cafe" and the Albuquerque Old Town

Plaza/Market). Next to the Rio Grand, is the Albuquerque Zoo and

the Rio Grand Nature Center... with miles of pathways for walking,

bicycling, and exploring. For a while in New Mexico, I was the

president and newsletter editor for the New Mexico Outdoor Writers

and Photographers Association (NMOWPA)... and I coordinated our

annual conferences--all usually involving *lots* of driving (New

Mexico is the nation's 5th largest state after Alaska, Texas,

California, and Montana). We had a conference in Red River, New

Mexico (northwest of Taos--near Eagle Nest, Angel Fire). Part of

the conference included a jeep ride up a narrow logging road to one

of the mountain peaks. Since the conference was in the fall, the

aspens were golden, the maples and oaks were red, and the air was

crisp. Great for photography and wildlife watching. When we drove

from California to New Mexico for a 10-day vacation in Angel Fire,

the kids' gameboys and tape players were *inadvertently* (and

conveniently "forgotten") and a backpack that didn't make it into

the car <grin>... and so we amused ourselves and the kids with games

such as the *alphabet game*--each kid has a side of the car.. you

look for signs that have the alphabet letter you need ... the first

kid reaching *Z* "wins"... and the game can start over or you can do

something else.. like "counting cows" (don't try this in Coalinga,

CA or in Montana... sometimes you'll be overwhelmed with herds of

thousands! <grin>). License plate watching, in which you try to

come up with the most different license plate locations

<state/province>, is also fun and sort of "educational".

Since we've moved to California, we still took (and take) weekends

to drive around. We've driven up 101 to Mendocino from Marin (San

Rafael and Inverness by way of the Richmond Bridge) and then through

the redwoods back to I-5 and then down through Sacramento back home.

We've driven over to highway 17 and down to Santa Cruz, Capitola,

Aptos, Monterey, and Carmel. Beautiful scenery--especially with the

wind-blown cypress on the rocky coast overlooking the Pacific waves.

We recently drove to Oakley (on the 120 road from Manteca heading

toward Yosemite) to spend an evening on the Sierra Train (Sunset

Dinner). It was raining at the time, so we didn't catch much of the

scenery, but the dinner and trip were fun, interesting and a neat

way to enjoy each other's company.

I hope this provides some ideas...

Regards,

Dave Gardner

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

Pacific Consultants Group

http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/davidgardner

June 1, 2007

I agree, John. TV and computer/video games do a lot to fulfill the "instant

gratification" need in a lot of people these days. Of course, there's also the

pressure on kids to take private lessons for everything under the sun and play

every team sport imaginable. Other than what mom and dad insist on, why get up

off the couch if you don't need to? And mom and dad often agree.

But I think your post gets at another basic reason, too. It seems to me (from

what I hear from friends and certainly what I see on TV -- I, too, occupy the

couch part of the time!) that most vacations these days are

destination-oriented. The only purpose of travel is to get from here to

Disneyland or wherever as quickly as possible, whether the travel is by road or

air. Now, to a lesser degree that was also the case with vacations in the 50s

and early 60s, but it seems that most vacations then were taken by car, and the

interstates had not yet taken over the landscapes. The trip was part of the

entertainment, regardless of the destination, and even poor old dad, who had to

put up with "Are we there yet?," etc., could still stop -- though not as often

as the kids wanted -- to see the rattlesnakes, look at the view, buy the kids a

rubber tomahawk, and grab an ice cream cone now and then. As bored as the kids

got, there was still something to see outside the car window: "Did you see that

dinosaur?" "There's the giant Indian!" "I saw it first!" "NO you didn't - I

saw it first!!" Travel isn't fun anymore -- whether it's by car on the

superslab or (even more so!) by air through all those horrible airports.

People who are convinced that the travel itself *should* be part of the

enjoyment are the people who become the "roadies." And people like me are

preaching to the choir -- people like you!

Bob Harmon

----- Original Message -----

From: John

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:17 AM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: What state?

Tom, this is any easy one:

TV and traffic!

And computers and video games.

There are many families who never leave the house, when they aren't

going out to school or work, due to these reasons and so they fill

the time and entertain themselves with these passive activities.

Going on even a Sunday pleasure drive takes some amount of planning

and if you have children, even more so, and the destination has to

have the same appeal as the stay at home entertainment, i.e., the

trip has to go to Disney World, or some other entertainment

destination because TV has taught us that it's that kind of activitiy

which is pleasure, and if it isn't that kind of activity, then it's

boring.

(Lest anyone be mistaken, I don't think that, but I believe that's

what has been taught by the content of the TV broadcast/shows, etc.)

John in Maine

June 1, 2007

Let's face it, Dave. You're a confirmed Roadie! Congratulations!

My kids (now grown) still joke about my yelling out "Vista! Vista!" -- no, not

the credit card! -- and swinging off the highway to see a panoramic view.

Ah, yes, the license plate game. It's addictive. My wife and I still record

them and see how many of the 50 we can find in a trip. Would you believe this?

We found *both* Hawaii and Alaska in a drive-in parking lot off Route 66 in

Waynesville MO several years ago!

Last summer we got 49 (!) on the way back from San Antonio -- avoiding as much

as the superslab as possible.

Bob Harmon

----- Original Message -----

From: D Gardner

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:18 AM

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Why not weekend drives?