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Frank,

 

Bravo on the diner research. The Oasis Diner on the westside of Indy is a

 

treasure. Best tenderloins & chili in town, hands down.

 

As a sidenote, Connie's Diner on East 38th Street in Indy (also an ancient

 

alignment of US 36) has now been converted into a Subway. Fortunately they

 

haven't tampered with the structure...it still has that nice diner look. I

 

haven't stopped in there though, as it's not in the best of 'hoods, if ya get my

 

drift! ;-)

 

 

 

Pat in Speedway

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/15/2002 8:36:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

 

frank@kingsfield.com writes:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

> Greetings all-

 

>

 

> When I lived in the Baltimore area, I took diners for granted. My favorite

 

> teenage and college years diner was the Double T Diner on Route 40 in

 

> Catonsville. Since moving to the Midwest (Ohio) where there just aren't as

 

> many classic diners, I've really developed a deeper respect and admiration

 

> for them. These days, when I'm on road trips, I try for at least one diner

 

> a day. Some are disappointments (diners in name only) while others are real

 

> gems.

 

>

 

> If anyone is interested in viewing profiles on the ~315 diners found along

 

> Route 40 (A.C. to Frisco), go to:

 

>

 

> http://www.route40.net/culture/diners.shtml

 

>

 

> Eat up, enjoy and don't forget the Pepto Bismal! :-)

 

>

 

> Frank Brusca

 

> Westerville, Ohio

 

> frank@route40.net

 

>

 

> Route 40 - America's Golden Highway

 

> www.route40.net

 

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Guest Shellee Graham

Howdy folks,

 

 

 

Yes, it's me again ‹ Shellee Graham -- that Route 66/Coral Court Motel gal.

 

Well, I goofed on the initial post about my Route 66 slide show / talk in

 

Kansas City.

 

 

 

The REAL date for this slide show/talk is SUNDAY, October 26, 2003 at 3 pm.

 

 

 

My Route 66 photo exhibit (and talk/slide show) will be at:

 

 

 

Kansas City Public Library

 

311 E. 12th Street

 

Kansas City, MO 64106

 

 

 

Info: (816) 701-3521

 

MargaretClark@kclibrary.org

 

http://www.kclibrary.org

 

 

 

DIRECTIONS to the library in Kansas City, MO:

 

 

 

To access directions to the facility, you can visit the

 

website www.kclibrary.org but for expediency and those who don't have a

 

Computer, here are directions from the south and east.

 

 

 

From the East:

 

1. Drive west on Interstate 70.

 

2. Take the 13th Street exit.

 

3. Stay on 13th Street until you reach Oak Street.

 

4. Turn right (north) and enter library parking off of Oak.

 

 

 

From the South:

 

1. Take Interstate 435 north and exit west on Interstate 70.

 

2. Continue west on 70 until the 13th Street exit.

 

3. Stay on 13th Street, going west, until you reach Oak Street.

 

4. Turn right (north) and enter the library parking lot off of Oak.

 

 

 

The current Library address is 311 E. 12th St. It is located on 12th

 

Street (one way going east) between McGee and Oak. Guests can park in the

 

lot behind the Library (enter from Oak and walk around to the front doors).

 

And, there is also free on-street parking on Sundays. The Library is across

 

the street from city hall and the country courthouse.

 

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See the SHOW from October 19 ­ December 7, 2003.

 

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Thankya.

 

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Shellee Graham

 

 

 

http://www.coralcourt.com

 

http://www.smithkramer.com/route66.html

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~shellee66/sg.html

 

http://homepage.mac.com/dougoutg/PhotoAlbum1.html

 

http://www.coolstockimages.com/public/imag...=-3&query=8

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Guest tim steil

Howdy there Friends, Friends of Friends, Mortal Enemies, and everyone in

 

between:

 

 

 

Ever sit at your desk some mornings, and realize that you have exhausted every

 

single way you know to waste time, and are now confronted with the possibility

 

of actually having to do something productive? Face it....you need a backup

 

plan.

 

 

 

Here's a thought.

 

 

 

Please join me this Tuesday, October 7th at noon Eastern as I answer your

 

questions about Route 66, Highway 61, and road trips in general, LIVE on

 

MSNBC.COM.

 

 

 

It is sponsored by the good folks at MSNBC, Newsweek Magazine, and Frommer's

 

Travel Guides, whom, having scoured the planet for the best experts in their

 

field, found they were all booked and had to use me instead.

 

 

 

Simply go to MSNBC.com, click travel, and click on the"Live Talk" button. In

 

fact, if you can even start submitting questions now, by going the front page of

 

the Frommer's Budget Travel section.

 

 

 

Or just cut and paste this urlish thing:

 

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/bt/talk/talk....t=100703_bttalk

 

 

 

I look forward to your questions, insults, and innappropriate limericks and

 

haikus. Hope to see you Tuesday, at Noon Eastern, 11 a.m. Central, or 8:00 p.m.

 

Baghdad.

 

 

 

best

 

 

 

Tim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"To a musician, music should be the Supreme Deity, who will be worshipped with

 

eagerness of an undivided mind."

 

 

 

-- Ustad Ali Akbar Kahn

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Guest Chetnichols@aol.com

Dear Emily,

 

 

 

I am a realtor in Illinois (as well as being "other things" we won't mention

 

here).

 

 

 

Real Estate Law requires that ANY good-faith offer NEEDS to be presented to a

 

seller.

 

If the real estate agent failed to present your offer then they broke the law

 

and can be taken in front of his/her governing real estate board.

 

 

 

Your contract-for-deed at full asking price is not a bad way to go.

 

Most sellers in this case want something down. But, if the funds for the

 

downpayment are minimal, then offer to pay a higher interest with a balloon 5-7

 

years out from the day of signing the contract.

 

Contract-for-deeds are nice for older folks, because it spreads out their

 

profit. Still, some want it all at once. I, too, remember hearing about the

 

property coming up for sale in August 2003. Then it dropped below the radar.

 

Maybe

 

the property was not marketed in the proper way and through the proper

 

channels. Usually, in residential sales, you get the most interest over the

 

first 21

 

days. If you get an offer, 99.999% of the time, the first offer is the best

 

offer, so work to keep that deal alive. Commercial property can take more

 

time.....but many of the same principles apply.

 

 

 

Sorry, to hear this passed on by.....you and your hubby would have been a

 

great people to shine "those boots"......

 

 

 

My Best,

 

Chet Nichols

 

http://LastRidersOn66.itgo.com

 

http://www.mp3.com/chetnichols

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Guest Nicole

Hi Ken!

 

 

 

I think we had just missed the full moon in Supai when we were there. Another

 

piece of bad planning! Anyway.....just keep me informed, and we're there! I

 

can't even imagine how awesome those falls would be at night in the full moon!!

 

I never even thought of that. You need to stop all this for a while, because

 

this is killing me!!! :-)

 

 

 

See you in July, and please post of any new news or info on the trip! I still

 

have the B52 that you guys gave me!

 

 

 

Nicole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest mockturtlepress

Greetings, All:

 

 

 

To be sure, every Route 66er I know is upset with the sale of the Boots

 

Motel in Carthage, Missouri. Nobody wants to lose that classic gem. The

 

Boots remains one of the grandest icons on any American road.

 

 

 

But I must take exception to some of the talk in the previous post

 

about the Boots. That post suggests that John Ferguson may be

 

"dishonest" and implies that he is a "rat."

 

 

 

First of all, I do not believe this list should be used to say negative

 

things about anybody--whether they are list members or not. More

 

importantly, to suggest someone may have acted in bad faith when no one

 

knows all the facts doesn't seem fair. Most importantly, to do so

 

publicly about a sick man who has a very sick wife seems downright

 

inhumane.

 

 

 

The person who made that post is a preservationist of note, and I think

 

I speak for many when I say I wish she would have been able to acquire

 

the Boots. Yet, when John says he saw no interest from the Route 66

 

community, I think it's very clear he means he saw no action coming

 

from Route 66 organizations that he recognized. Of course, he knows

 

that most guests that have stayed at the Boots are Route 66 fans and

 

preservationists. At the same time, I don't think he kept tabs on each

 

and every one of us, our individual affiliations, or the measure of

 

roadside passion that beats in our individual hearts.

 

 

 

As far as to when and how the Boots went on sale, John says he tried to

 

sell the motel for two years. I don't know if he marks his time from

 

the day he called a realtor, from the day he put up a sign, or from the

 

time he decided to put it on the "market." I think it is common

 

knowledge that John was receiving inquiries about selling the Boots in

 

the late 1990s. He did not want to sell the Boots at that time. The

 

motel was his darling.

 

 

 

So why did he sell now? No one knows everything that went into the

 

decision. But before we whip him and sentence him to hang, perhaps we

 

should weigh what we do know: John's wife, Janie, has multiple

 

sclerosis. John has mentioned over and again his inability to "get

 

back" to the shape he was in before his last heart attack. These are

 

two physically ill people.

 

 

 

I do not know, nor do I pretend to know, the state of their medical

 

bills or the health insurance they may or may not have. I do know that

 

John for a time let his house to another party (and that he had to kick

 

that party out). I do not know if he successfully collected rent from

 

that party, nor do I know where John and Janie were sleeping during

 

that time.

 

 

 

According to John, when the sale happened, it happened fast with a

 

buyer who promised to produce the cash quickly. Each of us will view

 

this development as we see fit. But with Janie's degenerative illness,

 

John's heart attacks, and the problems with letting their own home, I

 

believe the Fergusons are simply trying to survive. If we can't give

 

them the benefit of the doubt under these conditions, what does it say

 

about us as preservationists? "Yeah, we appreciate what you did

 

working all those years, but if you get sick (or need to care for a

 

sick spouse), and make a wrong decision, we're going to drag your name

 

through the mud." That's enough to make others think twice about

 

getting in the game of buying and trying to help classic properties. I

 

don't think it's the message we want to send.

 

 

 

Again, I do not believe we should judge as we simply do not know all

 

the facts. I do think the Fergusons deserve our compassion, and I do

 

think we should focus on positive means of saving the Boots--as well as

 

other classic motels on two-lane highways around the nation.

 

 

 

Thomas Repp

 

Executive Editor

 

AMERICAN ROAD

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "mockturtlepress" <

 

americanroad@m...> wrote:

 

> Greetings, All:

 

>

 

> To be sure, every Route 66er I know is upset with the sale of the Boots

 

> Motel in Carthage, Missouri. Nobody wants to lose that classic gem. The

 

> Boots remains one of the grandest icons on any American road.

 

>

 

> But I must take exception to some of the talk in the previous post

 

> about the Boots. That post suggests that John Ferguson may be

 

> "dishonest" and implies that he is a "rat."

 

>

 

> The person who made that post is a preservationist of note, and I think

 

> I speak for many when I say I wish she would have been able to acquire

 

> the Boots. Yet, when John says he saw no interest from the Route 66

 

> community, I think it's very clear he means he saw no action coming

 

> from Route 66 organizations that he recognized. Of course, he knows

 

> that most guests that have stayed at the Boots are Route 66 fans and

 

> preservationists. At the same time, I don't think he kept tabs on each

 

> and every one of us, our individual affiliations, or the measure of

 

> roadside passion that beats in our individual hearts.

 

>

 

> As far as to when and how the Boots went on sale, John says he tried to

 

> sell the motel for two years. I don't know if he marks his time from

 

> the day he called a realtor, from the day he put up a sign, or from the

 

> time he decided to put it on the "market." I think it is common

 

> knowledge that John was receiving inquiries about selling the Boots in

 

> the late 1990s. He did not want to sell the Boots at that time. The

 

> motel was his darling.

 

>

 

> So why did he sell now? No one knows everything that went into the

 

> decision. But before we whip him and sentence him to hang, perhaps we

 

> should weigh what we do know: John's wife, Janie, has multiple

 

> sclerosis. John has mentioned over and again his inability to "get

 

> back" to the shape he was in before his last heart attack. These are

 

> two physically ill people.

 

>

 

> I do not know, nor do I pretend to know, the state of their medical

 

> bills or the health insurance they may or may not have. I do know that

 

> John for a time let his house to another party (and that he had to kick

 

> that party out). I do not know if he successfully collected rent from

 

> that party, nor do I know where John and Janie were sleeping during

 

> that time.

 

>

 

> According to John, when the sale happened, it happened fast with a

 

> buyer who promised to produce the cash quickly. Each of us will view

 

> this development as we see fit. But with Janie's degenerative illness,

 

> John's heart attacks, and the problems with letting their own home, I

 

> believe the Fergusons are simply trying to survive. If we can't give

 

> them the benefit of the doubt under these conditions, what does it say

 

> about us as preservationists? "Yeah, we appreciate what you did

 

> working all those years, but if you get sick (or need to care for a

 

> sick spouse), and make a wrong decision, we're going to drag your name

 

> through the mud." That's enough to make others think twice about

 

> getting in the game of buying and trying to help classic properties. I

 

> don't think it's the message we want to send.

 

>

 

> Again, I do not believe we should judge as we simply do not know all

 

> the facts. I do think the Fergusons deserve our compassion, and I do

 

> think we should focus on positive means of saving the Boots--as well as

 

> other classic motels on two-lane highways around the nation.

 

>

 

> Thomas Repp

 

> Executive Editor

 

> AMERICAN ROAD

 

 

 

I think I can clarify a few things, as I called Mr. Ferguson on Sunday

 

afternoon.

 

 

 

-- Yes, the Boots was put on the market about two years ago. But

 

Ferguson told me he did not put a "for sale" sign on the property or

 

extensively publicize it because "I wasn't in a hurry to sell it."

 

However, in September 2002, Ferguson's health went drastically south

 

("I thought I was going to die," he told me) and selling the property

 

took on a greater urgency.

 

 

 

-- Ferguson told me he's having some misgivings with his realtor for

 

two reasons. For one thing, although the realtor referred our contract-

 

for-deed offer to him that was subsequently rejected, the realtor never

 

bothered to call us back to inform us. Ferguson was quite unhappy when

 

informed about this. "That's just not right," he said.

 

 

 

The second thing Ferguson told me was that future owner of the Boots

 

Motel overheard the realtor discussing an offer for the motel over the

 

phone. Using this eavesdropped information as a springboard, the

 

Carthage landowner made his own counteroffer. "(The realtor) has

 

apologized to me several times over this," Ferguson told me. I'm not

 

sure what the rules are, but it's apparent the realtor let loose some

 

information improperly.

 

 

 

-- Ferguson still doesn't know who the buyer is, other than the fact

 

it's a large property owner in Carthage.

 

 

 

"Shouldn't you know who is buying your own property?" I asked.

 

 

 

Ferguson agreed, and intimated he might press the realtor on this

 

matter. Ferguson surmised the buyer didn't want a lot of people calling

 

him until the deal was closed Nov. 21. Still, I find all this secrecy

 

very odd -- especially the secrecy to one of the directly involved

 

parties in this transaction.

 

 

 

-- Other than the Deemers, the other developer was a group from

 

Oklahoma, Ferguson said. He said he turned down that offer, even though

 

it was $50,000 higher, because he was sure the motel would be razed.

 

However, he does not know what the buyer's intentions for the Boots

 

are. Ferguson thinks it's a "speculative" buy, where he'll turn around

 

and sell it to someone else, maybe even the Oklahoma group.

 

 

 

In conclusion, I think Ferguson simply made a poor choice of words when

 

he talked about lack of interest from the Route 66 community. He's well

 

aware of two Route 66 parties who tried to buy it.

 

 

 

I'm not here to judge Ferguson, either. But sometimes one has to be

 

aggressive in preserving endangered properties -- properties that are

 

getting more scarce with each passing year. Sitting on our hands and

 

worrying won't do a thing. Taking action may. Believe me, we have other

 

weapons at our disposal, if needed.

 

 

 

As for Emily smelling a rat, that stench may be coming from the

 

realtor's office.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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The rats to whom I was referring were the incompetent (at best) and unethical

 

(at worst) realtor and his opportunistic developer buddy. I have a real problem

 

with the way this realtor has conducted himself. I realize Johnnie Ferguson is

 

old and sick and needed to get out from under the property. But I take great

 

exception to the way he phrased his criticisms of the Route 66 community --

 

they seem unfair at best -- and his words seemed to suggest that either he

 

had not been told about our offer, or he had decided it didn't count as interest

 

from the Route 66 community.

 

 

 

If I weren't giving Mr. Ferguson the benefit of the doubt, we wouldn't have

 

contacted him to get to the bottom of this.

 

 

 

It appears his realtor has jerked him (and us) around. I am not pleased about

 

this. If am still trying to decide what I can and should do about it. I will

 

keep

 

you posted. I can't believe there is not a regulatory agency somewhere that

 

would find it unacceptable that the realtor basically took advantage of a sick,

 

somewhat confused old man by failing to get back to a potential buyer early

 

on (who is to say we couldn't have come up with a better offer if the realtor

 

had called us and told us why Mr. Ferguson wasn't accepting our first one?)

 

and then leaking information about a pending purchase to a third party that

 

just *happened* to be his buddy?

 

 

 

The realtor is either a rat or an idiot, or possibly both. I stand by that

 

assertion.

 

And I feel safe in saying the developer is probably a rat as well, as I have yet

 

to meet the developer who *isn't*.

 

 

 

Emily "D-Con" Priddy

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Guest Chris

An American road trip in a real tin lizzie

 

By Godfrey Sperling

 

WASHINGTON ? That was some trip that Horatio Nelson

 

Jackson took from San Francisco to New York City back in 1903.

 

He was the first to make it across the country by automobile, an

 

almost forgotten journey that Ken Burns and Dayton Duncan

 

have brought to the attention of the public in a recent PBS

 

special. Mr. Burns depicts the achievement in this way in an

 

interview with CNN'S Wolf Blitzer:

 

 

 

"He sets off on the greatest journey of his life, takes along a

 

22-year-old mechanic, later buys a dog named Bud. All three

 

wear goggles on this windshieldless, topless car, and make

 

their way, grope their way across a country that has 2.3 million

 

miles of road, but only 150 miles are paved, and all of those are

 

in cities. So he's on cow paths, two tracks, railroad right-of-ways,

 

and it is a hilarious scene."

 

 

 

read on . .

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1202/p09s01-cogs.html

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Guest mockturtlepress

Greetings, All:

 

 

 

I never dreamed I would one day post to this list to defend AMERICAN

 

ROAD's stand on roadside preservation. Yet, here I am. The recent

 

suggestion that AMERICAN ROAD does not support such preservation calls

 

into question the motives of virtually everyone connected to our

 

magazine--from Contributing Editor Michael Wallis; to Department

 

Editors Gregory Franzwa, Frank Brusca, and John and Alice Ridge; all

 

the way to Pat and Jennifer Bremer, your list hosts. For this reason, I

 

must speak.

 

 

 

To the individual who thinks AMERICAN ROAD does not care about

 

preservation, I pose only one question: Have you ever read our

 

magazine?

 

 

 

We have a section on our contents page marked "Preservation." Under

 

that heading, you'll find information about the content of "At the

 

Podium" and "American Road Project" for any particular issue.

 

 

 

"At the Podium" was designed to give movers-and-shakers in historic

 

highway preservation a forum to speak to the masses. To date,

 

"Podium" guests have included David Knudson, Director of the National

 

Historic Route 66 Federation; Richard Weingroff, Information Liaison

 

Specialist with the Federal Highway Administration; Dan Marriott,

 

Director of the Rural Heritage/Historic Roads Division of the National

 

Trust for Historic Preservation; and, coming in Issue #4, Michelle

 

Johnson, with the National Scenic Byways Program.

 

 

 

Each of these individuals is quite remarkable. So are their

 

organizations, and we've been supporting those as well. I spend a

 

good part of my time speaking. (Most recently, I've been asked to speak

 

about the Columbia River Interstate Bridge.) I will present the Route

 

66 program at the Fourth National Conference on Historic Roads in

 

Portland this April. AMERICAN ROAD was a Golden Sponsor (one of two)

 

for the National Scenic Byways Conference that took place in

 

Albuquerque last spring. In fact, we gave away two full-page ads and

 

one full-page spread to individual scenic byways groups

 

to help "spread the word." Michael Wallis drew the names out of a hat.

 

 

 

"American Road Project" was created to showcase projects by not-for-

 

profit preservation groups. The first two installments featured Route

 

66 projects (the Painted Desert Inn and the neon signs in New Mexico).

 

The current issue features the Bedford, Pennsylvania, Coffee Pot on

 

the Lincoln Highway. Issue #4 will also feature a Lincoln Highway

 

project: the restoration of the Lincoln Highway bridge rails west of

 

Reno. Norman Root, California State Director of the Lincoln Highway

 

Association, has written this piece.

 

 

 

The newer featurette, "Memory Motel," probably should be listed under

 

our "Preservation" heading as well. That featurette was conceived to

 

bring attention to small, mom-and-pop motels on our highways—and

 

the owners of those motels seem quite happy with the exposure. "Tunnel

 

Vision" is our news section, and it carries its own share of

 

preservation capsules. Just opening our current issue, you'll see we

 

carried items on the US Highway 2 "big chicken," James Dean's high

 

school, and an account of Jim Conkle's Route 66 Caravan. In the case

 

of the endangered "chicken" and other road icons in jeopardy, capsules

 

in "Tunnel Vision" are typically followed by letters from AMERICAN ROAD

 

to local towns. We encourage residents to save their icons and offer

 

any assistance we might give.

 

 

 

Finally, I feel a need to defend the rest of the AMERICAN ROAD staff--

 

and their dedication to historic highway preservation. Does anyone

 

truly doubt all the good Michael Wallis has done to raise awareness

 

of two-lane roads nationwide? Jim Ross is a Steinbeck Award winner

 

who's written language for the Oklahoma state senate. What about the

 

efforts of people like Gregory Franzwa (Lincoln Highway Association) or

 

John and Alice Ridge (Yellowstone Trail Association)? Does anyone

 

believe they're involved with AMERICAN ROAD simply because they want to

 

write a little and not because they genuinely care about the future of

 

their respective roads? Our own list hosts, Pat and Jennifer Bremer,

 

conduct a fine road interview. In fact, they just completed one with a

 

certain wigwam owner in Cave City, Kentucky. Recording the stories of

 

the lives of road people is preservation, too.

 

 

 

Thomas Repp

 

Executive Editor

 

AMERICAN ROAD

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Guest oldroad

I am that individual that stated that this email list does not mention much

 

in the way of preservation on it's main page.

 

 

 

Reread my post.

 

 

 

Tom, where in my post did it state that I was talking about the magazine?!

 

My statement said that nowhere on the main page of this yahoogroup does it

 

have a statement of preservation.

 

 

 

My post was in regard to the necessity of triple posting due to hurt

 

feelings, egos & what was exchanged on the 66 list. Ok, so I may drop the

 

term 'editorial differences' which probably should have been stated "posting

 

differing point of views". However, that was exactly the reason that some

 

people left the 66 group last July. I tried to point out that the 66 group

 

doesn't seem to have the issues it may have had. I was hoping that maybe

 

those who left the 66 list may consider coming back.

 

 

 

My efforts didn't seems to work. It seems that a lot got 'read into' my

 

first post on this group.

 

 

 

Some posts that are not being crossed post, just to name 3 items:

 

 

 

1. Mr. Conkle posted on the Route66 list about getting a group to go

 

Washington DC campaign trip in February 2004 about 66 preservation funds. I

 

wonder why he didn't post here?

 

 

 

2. There has been active discussion of National Trust & Historic

 

Preservation. Topic came about in the discussion of the sale of the Boots &

 

what may happen if a large retailer is involved with it's purchase.

 

 

 

3. Sale of Amboy originally posted on 11/26/03.

 

 

 

These 3 topics should be enough for list members here to try the 66 list.

 

 

 

Also, Tom, the few people that did respond to my post, I replied in direct

 

emails to them. This was to keep this list uncluttered. I will gladly

 

share those emails on this list, if you like.

 

 

 

Again, my posts have said nothing of you or the magazine or anyone

 

associated with your publication.

 

 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

P. S. Do I subscribe to your periodical? No, as far as any magazine, I look

 

at an issue or 2 before subscribing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To the individual who thinks AMERICAN ROAD does not care about

 

preservation, I pose only one question: Have you ever read our

 

magazine?

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I can tell you that American Road has increased my

 

interest in the old U S highways and the things

 

associated with them.

 

 

 

Without spokespeople and magazines like American

 

Road we would not be aware of the changes that we need

 

to try and channel into restoration efforts.

 

 

 

Without these roady egroups and American Road

 

magazine, without the give and take between members of

 

these egroups, I would be just another single traveler

 

enjoying a stretch of old highway. With all these

 

groups I am a more knowledgeable road traveler. I

 

have more interest in taking "that road less traveled"

 

to try and recapture another time.

 

 

 

I will be renewing my subscription to American Road

 

magazine shortly, before I leave for my Christmas trip

 

to Memphis - and I plan on renewing for 2 years - I'm

 

that impressed with it.

 

 

 

Thanks for all your efforts, guys and gals. A lot

 

of us appreciate what you are doing.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- mockturtlepress <americanroad@mockturtlepress.com>

 

wrote:

 

> Greetings, All:

 

>

 

> I never dreamed I would one day post to this list to

 

> defend AMERICAN

 

> ROAD's stand on roadside preservation. Yet, here I

 

> am. The recent

 

> suggestion that AMERICAN ROAD does not support such

 

> preservation calls

 

> into question the motives of virtually everyone

 

> connected to our

 

> magazine--from Contributing Editor Michael Wallis;

 

> to Department

 

> Editors Gregory Franzwa, Frank Brusca, and John and

 

> Alice Ridge; all

 

> the way to Pat and Jennifer Bremer, your list hosts.

 

> For this reason, I

 

> must speak.

 

>

 

> To the individual who thinks AMERICAN ROAD does not

 

> care about

 

> preservation, I pose only one question: Have you

 

> ever read our

 

> magazine?

 

>

 

> We have a section on our contents page marked

 

> "Preservation." Under

 

> that heading, you'll find information about the

 

> content of "At the

 

> Podium" and "American Road Project" for any

 

> particular issue.

 

>

 

> "At the Podium" was designed to give

 

> movers-and-shakers in historic

 

> highway preservation a forum to speak to the masses.

 

> To date,

 

> "Podium" guests have included David Knudson,

 

> Director of the National

 

> Historic Route 66 Federation; Richard Weingroff,

 

> Information Liaison

 

> Specialist with the Federal Highway Administration;

 

> Dan Marriott,

 

> Director of the Rural Heritage/Historic Roads

 

> Division of the National

 

> Trust for Historic Preservation; and, coming in

 

> Issue #4, Michelle

 

> Johnson, with the National Scenic Byways Program.

 

>

 

> Each of these individuals is quite remarkable. So

 

> are their

 

> organizations, and we've been supporting those as

 

> well. I spend a

 

> good part of my time speaking. (Most recently, I've

 

> been asked to speak

 

> about the Columbia River Interstate Bridge.) I will

 

> present the Route

 

> 66 program at the Fourth National Conference on

 

> Historic Roads in

 

> Portland this April. AMERICAN ROAD was a Golden

 

> Sponsor (one of two)

 

> for the National Scenic Byways Conference that took

 

> place in

 

> Albuquerque last spring. In fact, we gave away two

 

> full-page ads and

 

> one full-page spread to individual scenic byways

 

> groups

 

> to help "spread the word." Michael Wallis drew the

 

> names out of a hat.

 

>

 

> "American Road Project" was created to showcase

 

> projects by not-for-

 

> profit preservation groups. The first two

 

> installments featured Route

 

> 66 projects (the Painted Desert Inn and the neon

 

> signs in New Mexico).

 

> The current issue features the Bedford,

 

> Pennsylvania, Coffee Pot on

 

> the Lincoln Highway. Issue #4 will also feature a

 

> Lincoln Highway

 

> project: the restoration of the Lincoln Highway

 

> bridge rails west of

 

> Reno. Norman Root, California State Director of the

 

> Lincoln Highway

 

> Association, has written this piece.

 

>

 

> The newer featurette, "Memory Motel," probably

 

> should be listed under

 

> our "Preservation" heading as well. That featurette

 

> was conceived to

 

> bring attention to small, mom-and-pop motels on our

 

> highways—and

 

> the owners of those motels seem quite happy with the

 

> exposure. "Tunnel

 

> Vision" is our news section, and it carries its own

 

> share of

 

> preservation capsules. Just opening our current

 

> issue, you'll see we

 

> carried items on the US Highway 2 "big chicken,"

 

> James Dean's high

 

> school, and an account of Jim Conkle's Route 66

 

> Caravan. In the case

 

> of the endangered "chicken" and other road icons in

 

> jeopardy, capsules

 

> in "Tunnel Vision" are typically followed by letters

 

> from AMERICAN ROAD

 

> to local towns. We encourage residents to save their

 

> icons and offer

 

> any assistance we might give.

 

>

 

> Finally, I feel a need to defend the rest of the

 

> AMERICAN ROAD staff--

 

> and their dedication to historic highway

 

> preservation. Does anyone

 

> truly doubt all the good Michael Wallis has done to

 

> raise awareness

 

> of two-lane roads nationwide? Jim Ross is a

 

> Steinbeck Award winner

 

> who's written language for the Oklahoma state

 

> senate. What about the

 

> efforts of people like Gregory Franzwa (Lincoln

 

> Highway Association) or

 

> John and Alice Ridge (Yellowstone Trail

 

> Association)? Does anyone

 

> believe they're involved with AMERICAN ROAD simply

 

> because they want to

 

> write a little and not because they genuinely care

 

> about the future of

 

> their respective roads? Our own list hosts, Pat and

 

> Jennifer Bremer,

 

> conduct a fine road interview. In fact, they just

 

> completed one with a

 

> certain wigwam owner in Cave City, Kentucky.

 

> Recording the stories of

 

> the lives of road people is preservation, too.

 

>

 

> Thomas Repp

 

> Executive Editor

 

> AMERICAN ROAD

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest drivewdave@aol.com

Dave Clark, many thanks for the rundown on Lake Shore Drive.

 

I seem to remember that maybe the high-rent district along

 

the lake is known as The Gold Coast. You mentioned Mr. Wacker,

 

I also seem to remember there is Wacker Drive along the lake.

 

One safe Chicago three letter abbreviation is JFK. The only

 

time I have driven through Chicago was in 1981 from Tacoma

 

en route to Detroit. We hit the JFK about 5 pm on a Friday,

 

traffic was at LOS E with a few stops but mostly moving at

 

five or ten mph and rather than being impatient and irked

 

it was a great chance to rubberneck at all the skyscrapers

 

and the famous skyline. It took maybe an hour to get through.

 

 

 

(In case LOS is unfamiliar; the engineers have a scale for

 

degrees of traffic congestion, Level Of Service A thru F.

 

LOS A is when all vehicles are moving at the speed limit

 

and are free to maneuver in all directions, LOS F means

 

traffic is at a standstill. I extrapolated the scale to

 

suggest that LOS G could mean traffic is moving

 

backwards. I mentioned that to a bus driver last

 

Christmas Eve when traffic on I-5 was LOS B or C,

 

she said she actually experienced LOS G once when

 

her bus got stopped on a bridge because of a wreck,

 

after awhile the police made everybody back up.)

 

 

 

I would imagine many roadies have stories about

 

'the one that got away' as per lost opportunities.

 

I too missed my kicks on 66 to a certain degree.

 

The other day I wrote about my 1971 ride on the

 

Taconic Parkway and how at the time I knew

 

that I was on a famous road. Three days later

 

I found myself in Amarillo headed for Flagstaff.

 

I suppose I must have been vaguely aware that I was

 

on Route 66 but I did not realize what a bigtime deal

 

of a road it was. Some of the road was still two-lane,

 

two very wide lanes with wide shoulders and lots

 

of traffic. I was hitchhiking and on one ride I was

 

behind the wheel of a Ford Econoline van

 

going through Tijeras Canyon, I remember

 

driving down the big curves coming out

 

of the canyon down to Albequerque. That

 

is about all I remember about my only trip

 

on Route 66. The landscape of NM/AZ/UT was a

 

real eyeopener for this kid who had spent all

 

his life in the Pacific NW, the scale is way

 

larger, you can see miles and miles of land

 

spread out in front of you wide open but

 

here in WA the trees are in the way.

 

At least I got to see the Grand Canyon,

 

Bryce Canyon and lots of landscape and

 

lots of rusty old hulks of cars and trucks.

 

The real missed 66 opportunity was all of

 

in those miles on the interstate between

 

St. Louis and Amarillo, I wonder what it

 

would have been like had I taken the old road.

 

Likely some short local rides and more to see.

 

I was not thinking of that, my ride to Amarillo

 

was straight thru in a Renault from New Jersey

 

on the evening after the Taconic Parkway ride.

 

We did go through one small 66 town, the

 

main street had just been made pedestrian

 

friendly by taking out most of the parking,

 

it was an urban planning trend in those days.

 

The deal is I was fresh off of a three month

 

bicycle camping trip from Puget Sound to

 

Boston via Quebec so I was definitely

 

ready to make some tracks for home.

 

 

 

The missed opportunities are all the driving

 

trips I never took in the three decades since.

 

In that time I made only four long trips, the rest

 

has been mostly in-state and armchair traveling.

 

I have followed old roads ever since my folks drove

 

them (as long as I can remember) so maybe there was a

 

part of me that did not want to be out there witnessing

 

the decline and demise of our classic American road culture.

 

Most of it is gone now except for a few postcards and souvenirs.

 

 

 

Maybe it's not that grim, at least we finally have a magazine

 

which represents thousands of people who love the roads.

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Greetings all...Today marks the first day of the display of the original scroll

 

of Jack Kerouac's On the Road at the Lilly Library on the campus of Indiana

 

University. As I promised myself, I'm heading to Bloomington to "check it out"

 

this coming Saturday. If any of you in the Illinois/Ohio/Indiana area (or even

 

farther than that) would care to join me in a caravan from Indianapolis Saturday

 

morning, e-mail me & we'll set up a meeting time & place. The forecast looks

 

like it'll be snow-free (but chilly), so travel shoudln't be a problem.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

http://theroadmaven.com

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

The Great thing about route 66 is that 85% is still travellable, every state has

 

an association, the road is clearly marked across the country, and you can get

 

maps, books and all sorts of stuff to guide you along the way...what is great

 

about this website is that you learn about roads that don't have Associations,

 

roads that arent marked, roads that you cant get maps books and stuff

 

about...keep talkin--I am listenin! Kip Welborn

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: drivewdave@aol.com

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:44 AM

 

Subject: Remiss: [AMERICAN_ROAD] (Missed Opportunities)

 

 

 

 

 

Dave Clark, many thanks for the rundown on Lake Shore Drive.

 

I seem to remember that maybe the high-rent district along

 

the lake is known as The Gold Coast. You mentioned Mr. Wacker,

 

I also seem to remember there is Wacker Drive along the lake.

 

One safe Chicago three letter abbreviation is JFK. The only

 

time I have driven through Chicago was in 1981 from Tacoma

 

en route to Detroit. We hit the JFK about 5 pm on a Friday,

 

traffic was at LOS E with a few stops but mostly moving at

 

five or ten mph and rather than being impatient and irked

 

it was a great chance to rubberneck at all the skyscrapers

 

and the famous skyline. It took maybe an hour to get through.

 

 

 

(In case LOS is unfamiliar; the engineers have a scale for

 

degrees of traffic congestion, Level Of Service A thru F.

 

LOS A is when all vehicles are moving at the speed limit

 

and are free to maneuver in all directions, LOS F means

 

traffic is at a standstill. I extrapolated the scale to

 

suggest that LOS G could mean traffic is moving

 

backwards. I mentioned that to a bus driver last

 

Christmas Eve when traffic on I-5 was LOS B or C,

 

she said she actually experienced LOS G once when

 

her bus got stopped on a bridge because of a wreck,

 

after awhile the police made everybody back up.)

 

 

 

I would imagine many roadies have stories about

 

'the one that got away' as per lost opportunities.

 

I too missed my kicks on 66 to a certain degree.

 

The other day I wrote about my 1971 ride on the

 

Taconic Parkway and how at the time I knew

 

that I was on a famous road. Three days later

 

I found myself in Amarillo headed for Flagstaff.

 

I suppose I must have been vaguely aware that I was

 

on Route 66 but I did not realize what a bigtime deal

 

of a road it was. Some of the road was still two-lane,

 

two very wide lanes with wide shoulders and lots

 

of traffic. I was hitchhiking and on one ride I was

 

behind the wheel of a Ford Econoline van

 

going through Tijeras Canyon, I remember

 

driving down the big curves coming out

 

of the canyon down to Albequerque. That

 

is about all I remember about my only trip

 

on Route 66. The landscape of NM/AZ/UT was a

 

real eyeopener for this kid who had spent all

 

his life in the Pacific NW, the scale is way

 

larger, you can see miles and miles of land

 

spread out in front of you wide open but

 

here in WA the trees are in the way.

 

At least I got to see the Grand Canyon,

 

Bryce Canyon and lots of landscape and

 

lots of rusty old hulks of cars and trucks.

 

The real missed 66 opportunity was all of

 

in those miles on the interstate between

 

St. Louis and Amarillo, I wonder what it

 

would have been like had I taken the old road.

 

Likely some short local rides and more to see.

 

I was not thinking of that, my ride to Amarillo

 

was straight thru in a Renault from New Jersey

 

on the evening after the Taconic Parkway ride.

 

We did go through one small 66 town, the

 

main street had just been made pedestrian

 

friendly by taking out most of the parking,

 

it was an urban planning trend in those days.

 

The deal is I was fresh off of a three month

 

bicycle camping trip from Puget Sound to

 

Boston via Quebec so I was definitely

 

ready to make some tracks for home.

 

 

 

The missed opportunities are all the driving

 

trips I never took in the three decades since.

 

In that time I made only four long trips, the rest

 

has been mostly in-state and armchair traveling.

 

I have followed old roads ever since my folks drove

 

them (as long as I can remember) so maybe there was a

 

part of me that did not want to be out there witnessing

 

the decline and demise of our classic American road culture.

 

Most of it is gone now except for a few postcards and souvenirs.

 

 

 

Maybe it's not that grim, at least we finally have a magazine

 

which represents thousands of people who love the roads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Rock Springs arch was originally in the business district,

 

I have a few different postcards that show it near to a motel.

 

My friend the late Jack Carpentier who was a real champion of

 

the Lincoln Highway went looking for it on an 80s road trip and

 

the arch was not there. He was able to locate it's new site out at

 

the community college, I think he said the lettering was changed.

 

If there are any Lincoln Highway people who knew Jack Carpentier

 

let me know, his loss is still deeply felt, about all you can say is

 

at least he went out with his boots on. I beleive he was acquainted

 

with Dwayne Hokanson and likely some other Lincoln old timers.

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Hello all,

 

 

 

This is slim, also known as ypsi-slim from Ypsilanti, MI and I joined

 

the American Road group today, and I'm reading the entire message

 

archive tonight. I am a charter member of the Lincoln Highway

 

Association and also a member of the Society for Commercial

 

Archeology. I have lots of roadside interests including the Dixie

 

Highway and the Theodore Roosevelt International Highway. Also -

 

Highways that start in Michigan and Detroit - US 2 (sort of), 10, 12,

 

16, 23, 24, 25, 27, 31, 41, 45, 112 and 131.

 

 

 

I have attended all the National Conferences of the Lincoln Highway

 

Association so far. Last year's was in Sacramento. I drove US 50

 

there from Seymour, IN. Got home by going over the Golden Gate Bridge

 

and US 101 to Washington. Then US 2 from Everett, WA back to

 

Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

 

 

 

The book that Dave mentioned is actually U. S. 40 Today by Thomas R

 

and Geraldine R. Vale, Univerisity of Wisconsin, 1983. Over 10 years

 

ago I bought out all the overstock on this title from U of WI. I

 

thought I had sold 'em all but I just found 60 more copies in my

 

storage unit - so much for organization! I sold these for $3.98 - and

 

they will still be available at that price plus shipping. E-mail me

 

if you are interested in one at ypsi-slim@juno.com

 

 

 

Next year's Lincoln Highway National Conference is in Fort Wayne for

 

all you Indianers. I'll be there - hope to see you.

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote:

 

> It doesn't take much to get me going, at least in my mind. The writer

 

> mentioned an upcoming trip on US 40 which right away makes me

 

> think of George Stewart's classic book US 40. I first came across

 

> this book browsing the library shelves back in the 60s as a teen

 

> and it has stuck with me since, I finally picked up my own copy

 

> about 15 years ago. I still have not seen US 40 Revisited

 

which.................

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Guest ypsislim

The Lincoln Highway was known for many welcome arches including

 

Chambersburg, PA; Fort Wayne, IN; Dixon, IL; Omaha and North Platte,

 

NE;

 

Rock Springs, WY. When I get some time I'll scan some some postcards

 

and post 'em in the photos section.

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn"

 

<r.welborn@w...> wrote:

 

> If you could I would appreciate it...someday I will get a computer

 

that can do that...if anybody else knows of any arches across our blue

 

highways, let us know! Kip Welborn

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excellent......Kip Welborn

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: mailto:ypsislim <ypsi-slim@juno.com

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:06 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Digest Number 39

 

 

 

 

 

The Lincoln Highway was known for many welcome arches including

 

Chambersburg, PA; Fort Wayne, IN; Dixon, IL; Omaha and North Platte,

 

NE;

 

Rock Springs, WY. When I get some time I'll scan some some postcards

 

and post 'em in the photos section.

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn"

 

<r.welborn@w...> wrote:

 

> If you could I would appreciate it...someday I will get a computer

 

that can do that...if anybody else knows of any arches across our blue

 

highways, let us know! Kip Welborn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Alex Burr

I don't think these guys are stupid at all!!!

 

 

 

We have our own Perfesser Creekwater over on the U S

 

40 group page who, last summer, walked from Delaware

 

to California along old 40, and the last we heard he

 

was rambling around California, somewhere or other.

 

 

 

So good luck guys - have a ball.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- Ron McCoy <ron@collectingbuzz.com> wrote:

 

> Thought that subject might get your attention!! :-)

 

>

 

> Actually, I just stumbled upon the following website

 

> and thought you

 

> all might be interested.

 

>

 

> Ron

 

>

 

> ____________________________________________

 

>

 

> YouGuysAreStupid.com

 

> http://youguysarestupid.com

 

>

 

> In their own words, buddies John, Erik, and Andy are

 

> "freakin' nuts."

 

> That insightful bit of self-analysis encouraged them

 

> to lace up their

 

> walking shoes and head off on a 2000-mile,

 

> three-month, foot-powered

 

> adventure from Chicago to San Francisco. Why on

 

> earth would they risk

 

> their friendship and sanity by embarking on this

 

> grueling trek under

 

> the blistering summer sun? Frankly, they're bored.

 

> Via this "old-

 

> school" mode of travel, these 20-somethings hope

 

> that chance, the

 

> natural elements, and their periodic ramblings will

 

> provide

 

> compelling entertainment for the masses. By August,

 

> they hope to be

 

> aboard a ferry to Alcatraz Island -- with friendship

 

> intact, photos

 

> to share, and stories to tell. Despite their

 

> self-mocking attitude,

 

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

It is not "harrowing" but the bridge across the Des Moines River at the

 

Missouri Iowa Border on Hiway B off U.S. 136 is definitely a step into the

 

backwoods...it is a toll bridge (I think .20, so not a bank breaker)...there

 

is a liquor convenience store right there, and it is in a bayouesque

 

setting...I always get the feeling I have entered the set of Deliverence

 

when I go through there for some strange reason...happy 4th fellow

 

travellers! Tsingtao, Kip, Quinn and Natalie Kay

 

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Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Cairo bridges

 

 

 

 

 

> Another great (frightening) bridge in that same area is the curving narrow

 

truss bridge with steel mesh deck, that carries U.S. 45 over the Ohio River

 

at Brookport, IL., just west of Paducah Ky. As I recall, the ribbing of the

 

deck moves your vehicle from side to side as

 

> you cross.

 

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> Ted

 

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> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Cairo bridges

 

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> I have also crossed both Cairo bridges numerous times and always

 

> found the Mississippi River bridge to be the more frightening,

 

> especially the times I crossed in total darkness due to no lighting

 

> on the bridge. The old bridge has now been bypassed with a new one.

 

> The Ohio River bridge was actually not too bad after if was "redone"

 

> in the early 80's. The bend on the KY side was over land as Kip said

 

> and I never really concerned myself about that, as I was always more

 

> concerned about going over the water itself on the higher part of the

 

> bridge. I'm unaware of any particular names for the bridges, other

 

> than Ohio and Mississippi River. Another really creepy bridge is the

 

> old one at Cape Girardeau -- long, high, and narrow. Yikes! It's in

 

> the process of being replaced, a process several years overdue in my

 

> opinion. More creepy active bridges I have previously mentioned --

 

> Louisiana, MO, U.S. 54 across the Mississippi -- Florence and Hardin,

 

> IL , U.S. 36 and U.S. 100 across the Illinois. Funny, I always

 

> dreaded those bridges when I was a kid and now actively seek them out.

 

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Guest Mike Ward

Kip,

 

 

 

Check out the scans in these two attachments. Let me know if any of them look

 

like the Oregon Coast Association brochure you have. I may be able to help date

 

it.

 

 

 

Mike

 

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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 7:57 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Oregon Coast Highway brochure

 

 

 

 

 

Hey all you highway 101 fans! I came across a brochure put out by the Oregon

 

Coast Highway Association (Oregon U.S.101) that is really cool...slightly akin

 

to Rittenhouses guide (but in brochure form)...has a picture of the Oregon Coast

 

on the front and at the top it sez "Visit the Oregon Coast" and has a highway

 

101 logo on it...at the bottom, white on red, it sez "400 miles of air

 

conditioned beauty"...gives you a mile by mile synopsis between Astoria Ore and

 

Crescent City Calif...why I am boring you with this diatribe is that I am trying

 

to date it...the only thing that clues me in is that there are phone numbers ie

 

CR2-8584 or Crescent2-8384, which I assume means mid fifties to mid 50's...if

 

anyone has any inspiration I would appreciate it...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey all you highway 101 fans! I came across a brochure put out by the Oregon

 

Coast Highway Association (Oregon U.S.101) that is really cool...slightly akin

 

to Rittenhouses guide (but in brochure form)...has a picture of the Oregon Coast

 

on the front and at the top it sez "Visit the Oregon Coast" and has a highway

 

101 logo on it...at the bottom, white on red, it sez "400 miles of air

 

conditioned beauty"...gives you a mile by mile synopsis between Astoria Ore and

 

Crescent City Calif...why I am boring you with this diatribe is that I am trying

 

to date it...the only thing that clues me in is that there are phone numbers ie

 

CR2-8584 or Crescent2-8384, which I assume means mid fifties to mid 50's...if

 

anyone has any inspiration I would appreciate it...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn

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Greetings All,

 

 

 

It's that time of year again. I am going to be doing some website

 

updates soon to my site. I am making a call to all fellow 66er's who

 

have a website to see if anyone wants to do some reciprocal website

 

linking of our sites. My links page is at:

 

<http://www.postmarkart.com/links.htm>

 

You will see that my links are all in various related categories.

 

 

 

If anyone would like to exchange links, please send me a NEW PRIVATE

 

email with ONLY the following information:

 

1. Links Category that you'd like to be listed in.

 

2. Your website title.

 

3. 2-3 Sentence website description.

 

4. Your website URL address.

 

 

 

When I receive your linking request, I will then send you my website

 

linking info to add to your site.

 

 

 

NOTE - For those who already have existing links on the links page:

 

If anyone who is already listed on my links page might have changed

 

they're website URL, contact info, or any other changes, please send

 

me a PRIVATE email stating what those changes and updates are. Dead

 

sites, links, or outdated info may cause your link to be removed from

 

my links page. My webmistress's time is very precious and only makes

 

updates once or twice a year, so please do not delay in sending me

 

any and all pertinent info needed to make updates and changes.

 

 

 

I thank you for your time and patience! God Bless!

 

 

 

Ken Turmel

 

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