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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "cuon66" <oldroad@s...> wrote:

 

> Yes. Amboy has been sold.

 

>

 

> Boots has been sold. It's status is up in the air, it doesn't look

 

> good. The Boots has not been discussed as much or as recent here.

 

>

 

> Both of these are being actively discussed on the Route 66

 

yahoogroup

 

> that some of you left months ago.

 

>

 

> Frankly, any efforts to help save the Boots or any business on 66 or

 

> other old roads is somewhat fragmented by not reading posts on both

 

of

 

> these & other lists.

 

>

 

> It's time to put egos, hurt feelings & editoral differences aside &

 

> all work to keep working together before we lose all these

 

businesses

 

> to razing & being replaced by corporate businesses.

 

>

 

> BTW, nowhere on the main page for this yahoogroup does it state

 

> anything about preservation. Pretty much states:

 

>

 

> " Here you can pull up a table and swap stories, history and facts

 

> about America's great historic U.S. highways. On this list, you will

 

> be in the company of many of the leading road historians, authors,

 

> artists and photographers in the nation. Our journey is ongoing. And

 

> you never know whom you might meet.

 

>

 

> So join Executive Editor Thomas Repp..."

 

>

 

> I rest my case,

 

>

 

> Kevin

 

 

 

I think this is a patently unfair criticism. Emily and I (among many

 

others) have been working on preserving the Boots. The reason that

 

developments aren't always posted here is because we simply *forget,*

 

that's all. If you're offended by our busy schedules and poor

 

memories, we apologize.

 

 

 

And the "editorial differences," "hurt feelings" and "egos"??? I have

 

no idea what you're talking about. I know several of the people who

 

help run American Road and its group, and I'm certain all of them are

 

supportive of preservation. I think your perception based more on

 

fiction than fact. If I'm wrong, please elaborate.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

 

(who's a member of this group, plus Route 66 and Route 66 News and

 

several others)

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Guest Hank Hallmark

The January 2003 edition of the AMA member magazine, American Motorcyclist, Has

 

an article [pages 22 thru 25] titled "The Highway That's Still The Best"--Story

 

and Photos by Greg Harrison, AMA VP of communications

 

 

 

He has written several Route 66 related articles for the membership. Here is

 

the link [hopefully] to one on the Devil's Elbow.

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2002/story4apr.html

 

 

 

Greg can be reached at gharrison@ama-cycle.org if you wish to discuss Route 66

 

with him or thank him for the "exposure" to our Mother Road....

 

 

 

The AMA is promoting Route 66 thru their annual "Raising Route 66" tours. If

 

you want addition information go the their website www.AMADirectLink.com

 

 

 

There is an itinerary of the 2003 tour which might be some assistance to Route

 

66 business and organizations

 

in planning. It might even help to contact Greg directly if the tour planning

 

is not yet finalized.

 

 

 

Hank Hallmark

 

Wrightwood, Ca

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Guest greatamericanrally

Hello,

 

 

 

I am planning a cross country road rally that will take 100 cars from

 

coast to coast & I wanted to hear your opinions on the best roads to

 

utilize in the summer of 2003.

 

 

 

The route will be roughly this:

 

 

 

Washington, DC

 

through Columbus, Ohio

 

Indianapolis, Indiana

 

Des Moines, Iowa

 

Rapid City, South Dakota

 

near (or through?) Yellowstone National Park

 

through Salt Lake City, Utah

 

Las Vegas, Nevada

 

Los Angeles, CA

 

 

 

I welcome your suggestions on what would make for an expedited, yet

 

beautiful drive for everyone involved. As it is now, we will stop in

 

every place mentioned except Columbus & Salt Lake which we would only

 

be driving through.

 

 

 

Also, is Jackson Hole, WY on this r

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Guest cuon66

Ron,

 

 

 

The posts about the Boots & more recent replies are on the other 66 group.

 

 

 

The posts about the sale of Amboy were posted about 3 days earlier

 

than on the 66 group. I think it's great that Helen took the time to

 

post to all 3 groups. But, not everyone does that.

 

 

 

Nowhere in my post did I discount the efforts of anyone, including

 

Emily & yourself. I think you read too much into my single post!

 

 

 

One lister on the 66 group makes some good points on that list that

 

others not subscribed will never see.

 

 

 

Yes, a number of people left the other 66 group due to "editorial

 

differences," "hurt feelings" and "egos" over a period of just a few

 

days. The group hasn't been that way, lately. Wouldn't you agree?

 

 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

> I think this is a patently unfair criticism. Emily and I (among many

 

> others) have been working on preserving the Boots. The reason that

 

> developments aren't always posted here is because we simply *forget,*

 

> that's all. If you're offended by our busy schedules and poor

 

> memories, we apologize.

 

>

 

> And the "editorial differences," "hurt feelings" and "egos"??? I have

 

> no idea what you're talking about. I know several of the people who

 

> help run American Road and its group, and I'm certain all of them are

 

> supportive of preservation. I think your perception based more on

 

> fiction than fact. If I'm wrong, please elaborate.

 

>

 

> Ron Warnick

 

> Belleville, IL

 

> (who's a member of this group, plus Route 66 and Route 66 News and

 

> several others)

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Guest Mike Frankovich

Let me know more about the rally. My father and I have

 

a collection of classic cars. Its always nice to take

 

one out and give it a run. We are located in Los

 

Angeles, so if we cannot participate we can at least

 

give you guys a tour.

 

 

 

--- "greatamericanrally <raceamerica@aol.com>"

 

<raceamerica@aol.com> wrote:

 

> Hello,

 

>

 

> I am planning a cross country road rally that will

 

> take 100 cars from

 

> coast to coast & I wanted to hear your opinions on

 

> the best roads to

 

> utilize in the summer of 2003.

 

>

 

> The route will be roughly this:

 

>

 

> Washington, DC

 

> through Columbus, Ohio

 

> Indianapolis, Indiana

 

> Des Moines, Iowa

 

> Rapid City, South Dakota

 

> near (or through?) Yellowstone National Park

 

> through Salt Lake City, Utah

 

> Las Vegas, Nevada

 

> Los Angeles, CA

 

>

 

> I welcome your suggestions on what would make for an

 

> expedited, yet

 

> beautiful drive for everyone involved. As it is

 

> now, we will stop in

 

> every place mentioned except Columbus & Salt Lake

 

> which we would only

 

> be driving through.

 

>

 

> Also, is Jackson Hole, WY on this r

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

=====

 

Mike Frankovich

 

 

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "cuon66" <oldroad@s...> wrote:

 

> Ron,

 

>

 

> The posts about the Boots & more recent replies are on the other 66 group.

 

>

 

> The posts about the sale of Amboy were posted about 3 days earlier

 

> than on the 66 group. I think it's great that Helen took the time to

 

> post to all 3 groups. But, not everyone does that.

 

>

 

> Nowhere in my post did I discount the efforts of anyone, including

 

> Emily & yourself. I think you read too much into my single post!

 

 

 

But you pretty much put this group and Thomas Repp to task with the following

 

post:

 

 

 

<start clip>

 

 

 

BTW, nowhere on the main page for this yahoogroup does it state

 

anything about preservation. Pretty much states:

 

 

 

" Here you can pull up a table and swap stories, history and facts

 

about America's great historic U.S. highways. On this list, you will

 

be in the company of many of the leading road historians, authors,

 

artists and photographers in the nation. Our journey is ongoing. And

 

you never know whom you might meet.

 

 

 

So join Executive Editor Thomas Repp..."

 

 

 

I rest my case,

 

 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

<end clip>

 

 

 

Again, lack of Boots info on this list is because of poor memory on my part, not

 

anything else. I'm sure others have the same problem.

 

 

 

>

 

> One lister on the 66 group makes some good points on that list that

 

> others not subscribed will never see.

 

>

 

> Yes, a number of people left the other 66 group due to "editorial

 

> differences," "hurt feelings" and "egos" over a period of just a few

 

> days. The group hasn't been that way, lately. Wouldn't you agree?

 

>

 

 

 

People come and go from the 66 list for varying reasons all the time. Over

 

what "differences" of this supposed exodus you're referring to, I'm not sure.

 

The 66 list has never lost more than five people at a time in any one week

 

since I've been on it in the past three years. And it keeps growing; the group

 

had about 645 this summer. Now it's around 665. Just a couple years ago,

 

there were about 350.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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Guest sundayjohn66

Relax, boys.

 

 

 

Multiple groups serve multiple purposes.

 

 

 

If you read something on another forum that you feel is important,

 

copy it and paste it into a post here. I don't think anyone will be

 

offended if you do that. But this is not a Route 66 group. It is a

 

group for people interested in ALL two-lane roads. This group may pick

 

up some members who wouldn't be interested in a group focused

 

exclusively on Route 66. Good for them.

 

 

 

I don't see how it can be a bad thing to make the circle wider by

 

having more groups that appeal to more people who are interested in

 

different aspects of historic highways.

 

 

 

And personally, I can understand why some folks would prefer this site

 

to the other one. Different people like different combinations of

 

personalities. And this one is lower-volume, which makes it easier for

 

some folks to keep up with. I like the high-octane bunch over on the

 

66 group, but I can also understand how it might be overwhelming for

 

some people to keep up with that volume of e-mail.

 

 

 

To each his own ... and I don't think 66 or any other road is being

 

hurt by the proliferation of groups dedicated to discussing old

 

highways. If I did, I'd be the first one to stand up and yell about it.

 

 

 

Emily

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Guest drivewdave@aol.com

In a message dated 12/2/03 2:07:45 AM, sundayjohn66@aol.com writes:

 

 

 

<< It is a group for people interested in ALL two-lane roads. >>

 

 

 

just two lane roads?

 

 

 

no four lane US 99 from 1928?

 

 

 

just wondering...Dave

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In a message dated 2/1/2003 5:16:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

 

AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

 

>

 

> My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S. 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming

 

> MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri Arkansas border is something to

 

> behold and if I had a computer that could put the pic on line I would do

 

> so!

 

 

 

Delurking for a moment...

 

 

 

Here's a shot of that arch from my site:

 

<A

 

HREF="http://roadsidephotos.com/old/1992-706a.jpg">http://roadsidephotos.com/old

 

/1992-706a.jpg</A>

 

 

 

roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of travelogues from my drives

 

along the old roads. It will eventually have a lot more images, organized

 

thematically -- I'm slowly working my way through over 7,000 photos

 

and 5,000 postcards. Enjoy!

 

 

 

- Doug Pappas

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, drivewdave@a... wrote:

 

> Early freeways are getting to be antique too,

 

> there is talk of historic preservation status

 

> for the 1939 Arroyo Seco Parkway from Pasadena

 

> to Los Angeles.

 

 

 

The Arroyo Seco Parkway was officially opened on December 30, 1940.

 

At its initial stage, it stretched from Glenarm Street in Pasadena to

 

the Los Angeles River, near Avenue 19, north of Downtown Los Angeles,

 

just north of Elysian Park. In 1942, the Parkway was extended

 

through Elysian Park and to a location just north of Sunset

 

Boulevard, still north of Downtown Los Angeles.

 

 

 

In the summer of 2002, the length of the Arroyo Seco Parkway

 

(including its 1942 extension) was indeed named a National Scenic

 

Byway. There are plans / goals to nominate it for a National

 

Register of Historic Places nomination.

 

 

 

Many early freeways are coming up for Historic Byway and National

 

Register eligibility. However, it seems unlikely that many will end

 

up with National Register status, as most Transportation Department

 

officials would be unlikely to have increased limitations placed on

 

them. However, that could change over the next several years. Stay

 

tuned.

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski

 

Director, 66 Productions (www.66productions.com)

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Guest Rudyard Welborn

That be it! Actually looks a bit cooler there than it does now...they have put

 

up several yellow/black warning signs on either side of it, and somebody decided

 

to clean the copper plates so they would look copper rather than blue...some may

 

like this; I think they stick out like a sore thumb...the business inthe

 

background is now a trucking business called TCB enterprises (homaging

 

Elvis)...according to the article in the Liquor Control Board Magazine, it was

 

built prior to highway 61's certification by the Road Improvement District of

 

Mississippi County (AR)...as the road became more a major thoroughfare, the area

 

around the arch (which is the town of State Line, MO/AR, "became a hub for

 

truckers and travelers from around the country. There were gas stations, cafes,

 

motels and travel stores, along with a liquor store, nightclub and pool hall.

 

Gambling was allegedly prolific in the area, and Minnesota Fats was said to have

 

stopped in the pool hall on several occasions. Gabby Hayes drew a big crowd of

 

autograph seekers when he stayed at the motel..." (Agent Mike Kolb was the

 

scriptor)...there is apparently a preservation group working on preserving the

 

Arch which I will pass info on if I find out anything...thanks for the pic! Kip

 

welborn

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: DougP001@aol.com

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 8:15 AM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Digest Number 41

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/1/2003 5:16:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

 

AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

 

>

 

> My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S. 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming

 

> MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri Arkansas border is something to

 

> behold and if I had a computer that could put the pic on line I would do

 

> so!

 

 

 

Delurking for a moment...

 

 

 

Here's a shot of that arch from my site:

 

<A

 

HREF="http://roadsidephotos.com/old/1992-706a.jpg">http://roadsidephotos.com/old

 

/1992-706a.jpg</A>

 

 

 

roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of travelogues from my drives

 

along the old roads. It will eventually have a lot more images, organized

 

thematically -- I'm slowly working my way through over 7,000 photos

 

and 5,000 postcards. Enjoy!

 

 

 

- Doug Pappas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Jim Ross

Dave,

 

 

 

I predict that you will be pleased with American Road magazine. We hold the

 

roadbed itself in high regard here. As to your comments about interstates, yes,

 

they are still universally scorned for the most part, but we all know the day

 

will come when future roadies will seek out those old abandoned behemoths, just

 

as we now seek out the old, abandoned 4-lanes.

 

 

 

Jim R.

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Doug,

 

 

 

What a great web site you have - and I havn't

 

even begun to really get into it.

 

 

 

But you can rest assured it is now in My

 

Favorites and just as soon as I get a moment,

 

will browse thru it.

 

 

 

Thanks for building a site like this for us to

 

enjoy.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- DougP001@aol.com wrote:

 

> In a message dated 2/1/2003 5:16:16 AM Eastern

 

> Standard Time,

 

> AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

>

 

> >

 

> > My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S.

 

> 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming

 

> > MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri

 

> Arkansas border is something to

 

> > behold and if I had a computer that could put

 

> the pic on line I would do

 

> > so!

 

>

 

> Delurking for a moment...

 

>

 

> Here's a shot of that arch from my site:

 

> <A

 

>

 

HREF="http://roadsidephotos.com/old/1992-706a.jpg">http://roadsidephotos.com/old

 

/1992-706a.jpg</A>

 

>

 

>

 

> roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of

 

> travelogues from my drives

 

> along the old roads. It will eventually have a

 

> lot more images, organized

 

> thematically -- I'm slowly working my way

 

> through over 7,000 photos

 

> and 5,000 postcards. Enjoy!

 

>

 

> - Doug Pappas

 

>

 

>

 

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

 

> removed]

 

>

 

>

 

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There are a number of these parkways that

 

perhaps should be preserved - or maybe they

 

shouldn't. They were the forerunner of the

 

interstate system.

 

 

 

Two that I can think of at the moment, and I've

 

driven both, are the Merritt Parkway in CT (I

 

call that one a "Grouch Marx" road - drive it and

 

You Bet Your Life!!). The other is the Taconic

 

Parkway on eastern New York which runs from I-90

 

south toward New York City - I think it goes all

 

the way down there - I do know it goes to

 

Tarrytown, but not sure if it runs into the city.

 

In any event it is a pretty drive, especially

 

between I-90 in the north and I-84 in the south

 

and has escaped the urban blight you find on the

 

interstates. I-84, I-90 and I-87 literally

 

surround it, thus leaving the northern section

 

pretty much as it was 50, 60 years ago.

 

 

 

Oh, yes, there is also the Garden State Parkway

 

in New Jersey, but that is a fairly new road,

 

comparitivel speaking, since it was authorized in

 

1952. It is considered one of the safest

 

parkways.

 

 

 

Taconic State Parkway - 105.3 miles,

 

constructed 1927-1963. Web site:

 

http://www.nycroads.com/roads/taconic/

 

 

 

Merritt Parkway web site:

 

http://www.byways.org/travel/byway.html?CX_BYWAY=2452

 

 

 

Not your usual U S highways, but interesting

 

none-the-less.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- "rt66prods <rt66prods@earthlink.net>"

 

<rt66prods@earthlink.net> wrote:

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com,

 

> drivewdave@a... wrote:

 

> > Early freeways are getting to be antique too,

 

> > there is talk of historic preservation status

 

> > for the 1939 Arroyo Seco Parkway from

 

> Pasadena

 

> > to Los Angeles.

 

>

 

> The Arroyo Seco Parkway was officially opened

 

> on December 30, 1940.

 

> At its initial stage, it stretched from Glenarm

 

> Street in Pasadena to

 

> the Los Angeles River, near Avenue 19, north of

 

> Downtown Los Angeles,

 

> just north of Elysian Park. In 1942, the

 

> Parkway was extended

 

> through Elysian Park and to a location just

 

> north of Sunset

 

> Boulevard, still north of Downtown Los Angeles.

 

>

 

> In the summer of 2002, the length of the Arroyo

 

> Seco Parkway

 

> (including its 1942 extension) was indeed named

 

> a National Scenic

 

> Byway. There are plans / goals to nominate it

 

> for a National

 

> Register of Historic Places nomination.

 

>

 

> Many early freeways are coming up for Historic

 

> Byway and National

 

> Register eligibility. However, it seems

 

> unlikely that many will end

 

> up with National Register status, as most

 

> Transportation Department

 

> officials would be unlikely to have increased

 

> limitations placed on

 

> them. However, that could change over the next

 

> several years. Stay

 

> tuned.

 

>

 

> Scott Piotrowski

 

> Director, 66 Productions

 

> (www.66productions.com)

 

>

 

>

 

> Visit our homepage at:

 

> http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

>

 

> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE

 

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Yeah, it's me again!!! LOL

 

 

 

U S 61 could be, descriptively, called the

 

Blues Highway, especially the section in

 

Mississippi. For it was on this highway that

 

many of the great blues singers from the great

 

delta cotton fields moved north in the 30's and

 

40's to Memphis (which gave us the "Memphis"

 

blues, then to St. Louis (yeah, the St. Louis

 

blues sound) and from there some moved west to

 

Kansas City and of course north on 66 to Chicago

 

- to give us the Chicago blues sound. It all

 

came from the mother lode of blues, the Delta

 

Blues, memorialized, I guess you could say, in

 

the Delta Blues Museum in Clarksdale, MS.

 

 

 

Some moved north on 51 - but the majority used

 

61.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- Rudyard Welborn <r.welborn@worldnet.att.net>

 

wrote:

 

> That be it! Actually looks a bit cooler there

 

> than it does now...they have put up several

 

> yellow/black warning signs on either side of

 

> it, and somebody decided to clean the copper

 

> plates so they would look copper rather than

 

> blue...some may like this; I think they stick

 

> out like a sore thumb...the business inthe

 

> background is now a trucking business called

 

> TCB enterprises (homaging Elvis)...according to

 

> the article in the Liquor Control Board

 

> Magazine, it was built prior to highway 61's

 

> certification by the Road Improvement District

 

> of Mississippi County (AR)...as the road became

 

> more a major thoroughfare, the area around the

 

> arch (which is the town of State Line, MO/AR,

 

> "became a hub for truckers and travelers from

 

> around the country. There were gas stations,

 

> cafes, motels and travel stores, along with a

 

> liquor store, nightclub and pool hall.

 

> Gambling was allegedly prolific in the area,

 

> and Minnesota Fats was said to have stopped in

 

> the pool hall on several occasions. Gabby

 

> Hayes drew a big crowd of autograph seekers

 

> when he stayed at the motel..." (Agent Mike

 

> Kolb was the scriptor)...there is apparently a

 

> preservation group working on preserving the

 

> Arch which I will pass info on if I find out

 

> anything...thanks for the pic! Kip welborn

 

>

 

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> >

 

> > My alternative highway to Route 66 is U.S.

 

> 61, ramblin from (now) Wyoming

 

> > MN to Louisiana...the arch at the Missouri

 

> Arkansas border is something to

 

> > behold and if I had a computer that could

 

> put the pic on line I would do

 

> > so!

 

>

 

> Delurking for a moment...

 

>

 

> Here's a shot of that arch from my site:

 

> <A

 

>

 

HREF="http://roadsidephotos.com/old/1992-706a.jpg">http://roadsidephotos.com/old

 

/1992-706a.jpg</A>

 

>

 

>

 

> roadsidephotos.com has about 200 pages of

 

> travelogues from my drives

 

> along the old roads. It will eventually have

 

> a lot more images, organized

 

> thematically -- I'm slowly working my way

 

> through over 7,000 photos

 

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The Memphis Blues is a also composition by W. C. Handy circa 1914.

 

Also I am surprised you did not mention the early Bob Dylan LP

 

Highway 61 Revisited. For those interested in the development of

 

the music there is a very good radio show out of New Orleans

 

that is syndicated on NPR, American Roots is the name of it.

 

In the Seattle area you can hear it on KUOW 94.9 FM every

 

Sat afternoon from 1 until 3.

 

 

 

Music and driving is a whole area of culture unto itself and

 

there are hundreds if not thousands of songs about cars and

 

trucks and roads. Six Days on the Road by Dave Dudley

 

made a strong impression on my as a child. One of my

 

favorites now is the Tom Waits remake of Red Sovine's

 

Phantom 309 which tells the story of a hitchhiker who

 

gets a ride in a ghost semi-rig. Tom changes it some and

 

one of the best lines is where he climbed up into the cab and

 

"the dashboard was lit up like Madame LaRue's pinball machine"

 

This closes the circle on Nawlins, Madame LaRue was a famous

 

antebellum voodoo priestess in The Crescent City.

 

 

 

Music goes a long way in creating mood, nostalgic or otherwise.

 

It's the ideal companion on road trips through the past. I wonder

 

if Route 66 would have the same hold on the collective psyche

 

had the famous song not been a hit. Of course the TV show helped too.

 

I am glad for American Road giving the rest of the nation its due.

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Thanks, Thomas! I'm please to be onboard and in such great company.

 

 

 

BTW, one of the great pieces of trivia about some of my favorite highways is

 

that Routes 40 & 66 and the Lincoln Highway all have towns named Winona.

 

Some things just boggle the mind.

 

 

 

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So does 61 (in Minnesota) and 51 (in

 

Mississippi).

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- Frank Brusca <frank@kingsfield.com> wrote:

 

> Thanks, Thomas! I'm please to be onboard and

 

> in such great company.

 

>

 

> BTW, one of the great pieces of trivia about

 

> some of my favorite highways is

 

> that Routes 40 & 66 and the Lincoln Highway all

 

> have towns named Winona.

 

> Some things just boggle the mind.

 

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> Frank Brusca

 

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Mark your calendar and set your alarm clock so you can catch Downtown

 

Collinsville, the World's Largest Catsup Bottle, and Big Tomato Mike on

 

national TV monday morning!

 

 

 

The nationally syndicated morning news show, "The Daily Buzz", will feature a

 

segment with host Mitch English called "Mitch Does St. Louis." The Catsup

 

Bottle piece should air around 6:30 am (central time) on Monday, May 5,

 

2003. Don't miss it!

 

 

 

In St. Louis you can catch the Buzz on KPLR Channel 11. Other cities include

 

Dayton (WBDT), Greenville, MS (WBWD), Green Bay (WIWB), Hattiesburg

 

(WBH), Lansing (WBL), Peoria (WBPE), Quincy-Hannibal (WEWB), and

 

Columbia, MO (KJWB).

 

 

 

Will it play in your area? Check the Catsup Bottle web site for the complete

 

list of 120 stations! http://www.catsupbottle.com

 

 

 

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Once again, we had an uninvited slime join our list. For those of you

 

on the digest, you shouldn't see the note today. For those of you

 

accessing via the website, you shouldn't see it anymore. For those of

 

you who did get it in your mailbox, my apologies. The note's been

 

deleted, and the member removed and banned from the list. Sorry, but

 

that's about all the power I have!

 

 

 

Pat B.

 

List Czar

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--- roadmaven <roadmaven@aol.com> wrote:

 

> Once again, we had an uninvited slime join our list. For those of you

 

> on the digest, you shouldn't see the note today. For those of you

 

> accessing via the website, you shouldn't see it anymore. For those of

 

> you who did get it in your mailbox, my apologies. The note's been

 

> deleted, and the member removed and banned from the list. Sorry, but

 

> that's about all the power I have!

 

> Pat B.

 

> List Czar

 

 

 

That's not entirely correct Pat. You have the power to make this a Restricted

 

Membership group, where all new subcribers must be approved by the moderator

 

first. That would put a stop to it.

 

 

 

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PRESS RELEASE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Announcing an Open House at the Goffs Schoolhouse Museum and Cultural

 

Center On June 7-8, 2003.

 

 

 

June open house to be last event before summer hiatus. Open house events

 

will resume the first weekend in October.

 

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

 

June 2, 2003

 

 

 

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

 

 

 

JoAnn Casebier

 

Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association

 

37198 Lanfair Road -- Goffs

 

Essex, CA 92332

 

Phone 760-733-4482

 

email goffs@eastmojave.net

 

 

 

Goffs Schoolhouse Museum and Cultural Center Plans Open House Weekends to

 

Introduce Visitors to a Treasure of the East Mojave and a must see attraction on

 

Route 66

 

 

 

GOFFS SCHOOLHOUSE MUSEUM and CULTURAL CENTER

 

 

 

MONTHLY OPEN HOUSE EVENTS

 

 

 

2003

 

 

 

The Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association announces monthly open

 

house events at the Goffs Schoolhouse for 2003. The Schoolhouse and adjacent

 

Cultural Center grounds will be open for public visitation the first weekend of

 

each month from January through June and October through December 9:00 a.m. thr

 

ough 5:00 p.m. (Remaining weekends are: 7-8 June, 4-5 October, 1-2 November,

 

6-7 December.)

 

 

 

June open house to be last event before summer hiatus. Open house events

 

will resume the first weekend in October.

 

 

 

The Goffs Schoolhouse was constructed in 1914 and served the region until

 

1937, at which time the present school was built in Essex and the Goffs School

 

abandoned. It is one of the few remaining structures in Goffs located on the

 

original 1926 alignment of U. S. Highway 66. The school served the needs of

 

families of railroaders, highway people, miners, and ranchers.

 

 

 

The Schoolhouse was restored to its 1914 configuration by the Association in

 

1998. Some work is ongoing, but it is now fitted out with displays of artwork

 

and artifacts depicting the cultural history of the Mojave Desert. There are

 

many artifacts (old vehicles, mining machinery, and much more) on the adjacent

 

grounds. To facilitate public visitation, the Association has published a

 

"Guide to the Goffs Cultural Center" booklet for the convenience of visitors

 

which

 

is keyed to 40 numbered stations inside the Schoolhouse and about 100

 

numbered pegs around the grounds. With the aid of this interpretive booklet,

 

visitors

 

can spend several hours enjoying the displays on a self-guided basis. Picnic

 

areas are available for visitors.

 

 

 

On October 11, 2001, the Goffs Schoolhouse was placed on the National

 

Register of Historic Places by the U. S. Department of the Interior. It is one

 

of the

 

few buildings along old U. S. Highway 66 in California and the only one-room

 

schoolhouse in all of southern California on that prestigious national

 

register.

 

 

 

The Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association was formed as a nonprofit

 

tax-exempt corporation in 1993 with a mission to: "Research and educate the

 

public with the natural and cultural history of the Mojave Desert regions

 

through

 

operation of a regional research center including a library and archives,

 

restoration of historic buildings, interpretation of backcountry trails,

 

publication of educational guide books and historical monographs and periodicals

 

in

 

concert with government agencies and people of good faith everywhere."

 

 

 

The Mojave Desert Archives, situated in buildings adjacent to the Goffs

 

Schoolhouse, embraces more than 6,000 volumes pertaining to the history of the

 

Desert west, more than 700 taped oral history interviews conducted with desert

 

"old-timers" with firsthand knowledge, more then 40,000 historical photographs

 

of

 

the Desert west, 4,000 historic maps, and much more. These materials are in

 

special collections that are made available with advance arrangement to

 

qualified students and writers doing in-depth research on the Mojave Desert.

 

 

 

The Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association is a nonprofit tax-exempt

 

corporation. No charge is made for admission to the Schoolhouse and adjacent

 

property, donations are welcome.

 

 

 

To get there. From the direction of Barstow take I-40 east about 110 miles to

 

a point one mile east of Fenner Rest Stop and exit the Interstate where a

 

sign says "Goffs Road." Turn left under the freeway bridge and follow blacktop

 

Goffs Road for 11 miles to Goffs.

 

 

 

From Needles or Las Vegas Area take U.S. Highway 95 south (from Searchlight)

 

or north (from I-40 up out of Needles) to the point where 95 crosses the main

 

line of the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway. Turn west on Goffs Road

 

(south of the tracks) and travel 14 miles to Goffs.

 

 

 

The Schoolhouse is on the North side of the tracks at the intersection of

 

Goffs and Lanfair Roads -- for a positive identification, there are two

 

windmills

 

on the Goffs Schoolhouse property, the only ones in Goffs.

 

 

 

Special arrangements can be made for visitation to the Schoolhouse by groups

 

or at other times during the year by appointment. For additional information

 

contact the Association at 760-733-4482 -- or email goffs@eastmojave.net -- or

 

visit the Association's web site at www.mdhca.org.

 

 

 

For additional information contact:

 

 

 

JoAnn Casebier

 

Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association

 

37198 Lanfair Road -- Goffs

 

Essex, CA 92332

 

Phone 760-733-4482

 

email goffs@eastmojave.net

 

 

 

or

 

Helen Baker

 

818-705-3930

 

bakerhab@aol.com

 

 

 

#####

 

Note to Editor: Interview Opportunities: Dennis Casebier, Executive Director

 

is available for interviews and to provide additional information about the

 

open house and the Schoolhouse Museum and Cultural Center. Please contact Dennis

 

Casebier at 760-733-4482 or goffs@eastmojave.net to arrange. Photo

 

Opportunities: There will be excellent photo opportunities of east Mojave

 

memorabilia

 

and of volunteers working on projects around the grounds. Photos are also

 

available at www.mdhca.org.

 

>>

 

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Pat, no need to apologize, that kind of crap is rampant. If anything

 

we might want to apologize to our selves for being desensitized

 

to the point where we tend to accept such things as normal.

 

 

 

At any rate it takes us off topic so let's move on.

 

 

 

Speaking of which the other day I found about a mile of old US 101

 

in pristine condition just like it was the late 20s, it only serves

 

a few rural houses and does not connect to any sideroads so there

 

is little incentive for the county to 'improve' it.

 

 

 

Cement concrete, single slab, it doesn't get any better...

 

 

 

Pat, please post the postal address of American Road so I and

 

others can subscribe and not miss out on all the fun

 

 

 

Also, Bulldog News in Fremont wants to carry your mag, you

 

might be hearing from them.

 

 

 

Thanks, Dave in Seattle

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Ahhhhh...thanks for that reminder Bob. I've been keeping my eye on a few

 

questionable email addresses that have recently joined, but have yet to post.

 

 

 

PB

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No need to apologize, Pat - these things come up

 

like fleas on a dog. Something to do with this

 

freedom of speech thing - otherwise we could string

 

them up to the nearest light pole and then they might

 

get the message.

 

 

 

Thank you for taking care of the problem. I'm sure

 

it will happen again - do what I do; delete and

 

ignore.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

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> Once again, we had an uninvited slime join our list.

 

> For those of you

 

> on the digest, you shouldn't see the note today. For

 

> those of you

 

> accessing via the website, you shouldn't see it

 

> anymore. For those of

 

> you who did get it in your mailbox, my apologies.

 

> The note's been

 

> deleted, and the member removed and banned from the

 

> list. Sorry, but

 

> that's about all the power I have!

 

>

 

> Pat B.

 

> List Czar

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

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