Guest shhazam Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 A great idea according to lots of news articles: http://www.nationalacademies.org/headlines/20060307.html http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_ne...006/112_news57/ http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hamps.../2006/06/29/int erstate_system_was_born_50_years_ago/ I liked our New York State Thruway and now I especially enjoy California Freeways. Yes, there are drawbacks and maintenance issues; but, it was still a great idea. --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Brusca, Frank" <fbrusca@...> wrote: > > <opinion> > > My good and bad list would include: > > Good: > > Faster movement of goods > Largest employment endeavor in world history > > Bad: > > Dominance of corporate hospitality industry and death of independent > motels. Thank goodness indy restaurants have survived relatively > unscathed. > First deathblow to the passenger railroad industry (airlines deserve > most of the blame for this) > Displaced and divided communities (the urban poor took the biggest hit > when highways were built through cities) > Induced demand (roads encourage more traffic; more traffic requires more > roads...) > Increase in the hectic pace of life (seems like it gets worst every > year) > Massive oil consumption and dependence on foreign sources of energy > Growth of edge cities > Sprawl > Wal*Mart and the death of Main Street > > The Interstates failed in a number of key areas. First, is that the > highways were constructed in the name of national defense. Fifty years > later, it is clear that the highways have done very little in the name > of defense. Instead, they've contributed more to commerce than anything > else. Second, the Interstates weren't intended to run through cities - > they were just supposed to connect them. Eisenhower was shocked when he > learned that inner city highways were buried in the fine print of the > bill he signed! Perhaps the biggest shortcoming with the Interstate > System is that almost everyone neglected on-going maintenance. The > common attitude was that the highways would be built and then the > project would be completed. In this regard, the highway doomsayers were > right on the money. A large portion of each state's annual budgets now > go to highway maintenance. > > The best history of the Interstates is Tom Lewis' book Divided Highways > (it was a Ken Burns documentary - if PBS was smart they'd be showing it > tonight). > > My biggest beef with is speed and the process of driving on Interstates. > Before the Interstates, we could pull over and do whatever. Have a > picnic. Explore. Rest our feet and eyes. Can't do that today. If you > pull over you get honked at, get flipped the bird and the Highway Patrol > stops by. Sigh... > > I drive the Interstates (but I prefer slower back roads). They're a > fact of life in contemporary America. As I drive on the I-ways, I do my > best to remember their high cost. > > </opinion> > > Cheers > > Frank Brusca > Westerville, Ohio > > > > ________________________________ > > From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Burr > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:24 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Happy 50th Birthday Interstates > > > > After reading the "good" and "bad" points I'm not > convince that the "rise of the trucking" industry is > such a good thing. > > Anybody who has been out on an interstate in a low > visibility storm and had an 18 wheeler go roaring by > at 65, 70 or faster knows what I'm talking about. > > And before you toss a brick at me, I've done a few > miles behind the wheel of tractor trailer trucks. All > to many drivers today are totally irresponsible. > > Put the freight back on the railroads where it > belongs and spend some of the money repairing the > interstates torn up by heavy trucks into improving the > rail systems. > > Hudsonly, > > Alex B > > --- roaddog_rt66 <roaddog_rt66@... > <mailto:roaddog_rt66%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > President Eisenhower signed the bill to create the > > interstate system > > on this day back in 1956. A convoy has been > > travelling across the > > US on interstates from San Francisco and is supposed > > to arrive in > > Washington, DC today. > > > > The original one crossed the US from DC to SF back > > in 1919 on the > > old Lincoln Highway and was led by none other that > > Dwight > > Eisenhower. It soon became apparent that the road > > system of the US > > was not up to the task of handling the increasing > > auto traffic. > > > > For better, or worse, travel in the US would never > > be the same. > > > > A big thanks to Scott Piotrowski, who, in his blog, > > alerted me to > > one excellent article in the June 25th Baltimore Sun > > by Stephanie > > Shapiro titled "Shaping America, mile by mile." > > > > This gives a very balanced treatment, giving both > > the good and the > > bad about the interstates. I'll briefly give some > > of the points > > here. > > > > The bad: > > 1. It's right of way destroyed portions of cities > > and some small > > towns (Glenrio, Tx) > > 2. "..pushed much of the country's richly varied > > landscape off the > > map > > 3. It's monotonous uniformity > > 4. Money was diverted from other roads > > 5. The urban exodus > > > > The good: > > 1. Above all else, our nation's highways are safer > > 2. The US "is a much more unified country, > > politically and > > culturally." > > 3. The rise of the trucking industry > > 4. The impact and responding growth on some US > > cities > > since the 60s > > 5. The growth of Edge Cities > > > > I highly recommend you read it. Anyone have their > > own thoghts on any > > of this? > > > > You can check out the newspaper. Go to title > > search. > > > > I did get part of the url > > > > http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/ideas/bal- > <http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/ideas/bal-> > > id.interstate25jun25,1,1337486.stor... > > > > Perhaps one of you people who are better at doing > > this computer > > stuff can get the whole url. Again, this is a > > worthwhile article to > > read. > > > > I know a lot of road warriors don't care for those > > interstates, but > > just imagine how bad our two lane roads would be > > without the > > interstates. > > > > Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog > > > > > > > > > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, > but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > <http://mail.yahoo.com> > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Thanks. I'll take a look at this route in my atlas....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Alex Burr <hester_nec@...> wrote: > > How about U S 40 east to U S 45, north to U S 24, then > east to U S 31, turn north thru South Bend and on > north to U S 12 outside Buchanan and Niles - then east > to U S 131, turn north to Three Rivers. > > Hudsonly, > Alex B > > > --- brownwho63 <brownwho63@...> wrote: > > > Does anyone have any suggestion(s) for a blue > > highway route from St. > > Louis to the Three Rivers, MI area? We did this > > same cruise a couple > > of years ago and took 66 from STL to I-80 to > > Michigan City, IN. I-80 > > was terrible because of all the construction and > > we're looking for an > > easier, more enjoyable cruise. Perhaps some "new" > > country that's not > > too far out of the way. Thanks....Bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, > but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven Rider Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 That's terrific news!!! For a good history of the Bent Door Cafe, check the Autumn, 2001 issue of Federation News, journal of the National Historic Route 66 Federation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roaddog_rt66 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 A man who spent his life making the highways and byways of the US a safer and better ride, Gordon Ray, 86, died in Arlington Hts, Illinois, on January 4th. He was probably the nation's preeminent expert on cement. For 38 years he worked for the Portland Cement Association and was an internationally known authority on the design and construction of roads and airport runways. He was definitely the man who tell you the difference between concrete and cement. Some of his earlier research conclusively proved the superiority of cement over asphalt in road construction so much that today, about 65% of the interstate system is made of it. He was passionate about cement and would talk about it at anytime to anyone. He traveled to all 50 states, most of Canada, and many foreign countries to inspect and advise road builders. His family reports of many delayed vacations when he pulled off the road to investigate an interesting stretch of pavement. He grew up in Diamond Lake, Illinois, and after graduating from the University of Illinois, served in the Army Corps of Engineers and was at Pearl Harbor in 1941 when it was attacked. He spent the remaining of the war in the Pacific Theater involved in the construction of island roads and airfields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Michalek Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 > I am now a dedicated two-laner, but I would hate to think of how > bad things would be without the interstates. The thought of all > that traffic on the old roads is beyond comprehension. Not only all that traffic, but all those Dead Man's Curves! I have some pictures of cars that crashed on the side of a mountain in Colorado that I took from an Amtrak train. I don't know what highway we were near, but you can see the Interstate in most of them, too. If I ever find them, I'll post them so all of you can see why we have Interstates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Ward Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I recently picked up a rather interesting publication on eBay. It was put out in 1945 by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It's a 130-page booklet titled "Establishing and Operating a Year-Round Motor Court". I can imagine more than a few people used this rather detailed guide to start up a motel for the post-WWII baby boomer travelers. It covers virtually everything a person would need to know. The chapters are titled: #1 - Origin and Development #2 - Location #3 - Arrangement, Equipment, Fixtures and Supplies #4 - Capital Requirements, Operating Costs and Profits #5 - Organization #6 - Types of Accommodations and Rates #7 - Advertising and Promotion #8 - Equipment for Selling-Office #9 - Keeping Records #10 - Selling Office Procedures #11 - Telephone Service #12 - Housekeeping #13 - Restaurant Installation #14 - Management Problems #15 - Purchasing an Established Court #16 - Future of the Motor Court I wonder how much of this information would still be good today. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Sounds like an interesting read...I would bet, unfortunately, that if an older place in a smaller town that was part of a chain met all of those criterion that they would still have a harder time being part of that chain now than when the guide was issued...Tsingtao Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ward" <flyboy1946@hotmail.com> To: "Route 66 E-group" <route66@yahoogroups.com>; "American Road" <american_road@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Starting a motel in 1945 > I recently picked up a rather interesting publication on eBay. It was put out in 1945 by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It's a 130-page booklet titled "Establishing and Operating a Year-Round Motor Court". > > I can imagine more than a few people used this rather detailed guide to start up a motel for the post-WWII baby boomer travelers. It covers virtually everything a person would need to know. > > The chapters are titled: > > #1 - Origin and Development > #2 - Location > #3 - Arrangement, Equipment, Fixtures and Supplies > #4 - Capital Requirements, Operating Costs and Profits > #5 - Organization > #6 - Types of Accommodations and Rates > #7 - Advertising and Promotion > #8 - Equipment for Selling-Office > #9 - Keeping Records > #10 - Selling Office Procedures > #11 - Telephone Service > #12 - Housekeeping > #13 - Restaurant Installation > #14 - Management Problems > #15 - Purchasing an Established Court > #16 - Future of the Motor Court > > I wonder how much of this information would still be good today. > > Mike > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few pages I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983 "sequel". I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books. Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the early '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of Stewart's book. Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots" were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the two books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at the far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road. Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book, could you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no indication of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that would explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one Stewart was talking about in his own text. --Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Ward Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Denny, I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they might be able to shed some light on this question. Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com> To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ; <mailto:route-40@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few pages I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983 "sequel". I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books. Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the early '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of Stewart's book. Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots" were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the two books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at the far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road. Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book, could you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no indication of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that would explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one Stewart was talking about in his own text. --Denny Visit our homepage at: <http://www.mockturtlepress.com/> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. 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Guest Denny Gibson Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Darn! There goes my hopes of having a rare misprint;-) Looks like the libraries in Omaha & Van Buren, Indiana, had similar inventory. I think contacting Thomas Vale is entirely possible and just may give that a try. Good idea. Sadly, work (actually a key trade show) will prevent me from getting to Albuquerque. Every time I read a message about someone's plans my jealousy quotient goes up a notch. Same with the upcoming Munger Moss gathering. I may have to start deleting messages that mention either to keep my JQ from boiling over. --Denny -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ward [mailto:flyboy1946@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question Denny, I have copies of both books also. I see what you mean about the apparent cropping of Stewart's 1953 photograph compared to the one shown in the Vale's book. My copy is also a library copy (from the Omaha Public Library). I suppose that if one could get in touch with the Vales they might be able to shed some light on this question. Are you going to make it to Albuquerque in June? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Gibson<mailto:denny@dennygibson.com> To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> ; <mailto:route-40@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] US-40 Book/Picture question I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 using George Stewart's 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be because after a few pages I find I just have to read the matching section in the Vale's 1983 "sequel". I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or both of these books. Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures that he took in the early '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then & now" book with many of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own updated views of the same scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am approaching them in 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for anyone with a copy of Stewart's book. Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". Stewart says it was taken "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read his description, I had some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; Particularly a highway "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' description, those "dots" were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their book. Comparing the two books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart picture and the 1983 Stewart picture are different crops of the same photograph. A readily identified rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. Same with the Vale version and a road is front and center to its left. But that rock is at the far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the road. Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of the Stewart book, could you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks like? My copy is a retired library book that I bought used. It's a hardcover with no indication of being a second or special printing. The Vale's make no comment that would explain it and the picture they've reproduced is almost certainly the one Stewart was talking about in his own text. --Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Burr Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Denny, I compared the #49 picture in Stewarts book - it's from a different angle than the one the Vail's used in their book. That's the confusion. I can't seem to come up with an angle. It almost looks like that outcropping at the end of the hogback is the same as the outcropping at the end in the photo Vail used - but the road appears to bend to the right next to the outcropping, but comes around it in the photo's used by Vail. Vail's photo is definitely the same as Stewarts - Vail's showing highway improvements and development to the left of the highway. Perhaps the Vails had access to photos Stewart took, which included some not used in his book. That's about the only explanation I can come up with. Hudsonly, Alex B --- Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote: > I've been doing some arm chair traveling down US-40 > using George Stewart's > 1953 book. My speed is about half what it could be > because after a few pages > I find I just have to read the matching section in > the Vale's 1983 "sequel". > I'm sure many group members are familiar with one or > both of these books. > Stewart's book contains nearly a hundred pictures > that he took in the early > '50s. In 1983, Thomas and Geraldine Vale did a "then > & now" book with many > of Stewart's photos reproduced next to their own > updated views of the same > scenes. I've just crossed the Rockies in 1953 and am > approaching them in > 1983. I'm enjoying the trip but have a question for > anyone with a copy of > Stewart's book. > > Picture #49 is titled "Front Range and Hogback". > Stewart says it was taken > "about a dozen miles west of Denver". When I read > his description, I had > some difficulty seeing everything he mentioned; > Particularly a highway > "dotted with cars". But, when I read the Vales' > description, those "dots" > were quite obvious in both pictures printed in their > book. Comparing the two > books, it's easy to see that the 1953 Stewart > picture and the 1983 Stewart > picture are different crops of the same photograph. > A readily identified > rock is at the far right of the 1983 reproduction. > Same with the Vale > version and a road is front and center to its left. > But that rock is at the > far left of the 1953 printing with no room for the > road. > > Anyone know what the story is? If you have a copy of > the Stewart book, could > you take a look and see what your picture #49 looks > like? My copy is a > retired library book that I bought used. It's a > hardcover with no indication > of being a second or special printing. The Vale's > make no comment that would > explain it and the picture they've reproduced is > almost certainly the one > Stewart was talking about in his own text. > > --Denny > > > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 We've lived in the area for 35 years and before that I sometimes drove from Brookfield, MO to Clayton. As I recall, U.S. 40 is still pretty much the same now from the Poplar Street Bridge west to Chesterfield. The only real changes to the highway in this stretch are additional lanes and improved overpasses and cloverleafs. The original alignment from Chesterfield on west, like 66, either no longer exists or is an outer road. For example, beginning at the "Chesterfield Mall" you used to drive in front of it and then turn left behing the Smoke House to journey west on the infamous 3- laner to the Boone bridge. Much of this is now gone or currently runs through the mall area in the valley with tremendous traffic. We've driven 40 west to Columbia a couple of times and, again like 66, lots of outer road but also some very nice set-apart original alignments running through small towns. For example, we enjoy driving the original pavement from Wentzville to Warrenton, driving the Jonesburg area, and driving the Kingdom City area....Bliss --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@...> wrote: > > US 40/61 was reconstructed as an expressway several years before I- 64 was > extended from just East of the Poplar Street Bridge to just west of the > Daniel Boone Bridge (which is just West of where you are staying)...it could > be said that I-64 piggybacks 40/61--40/61 was there first...Tsingtao Kip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat B." <roadmaven@...> > To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:31 PM > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US 40/Chesterfield, MO > > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@> wrote: > > > > > > What is the name of the place? I will take a look at my maps but I > > think > > > that the route 40 takes now is the alignment it has followed since it > > was > > > realigned to piggyback 61 through there...my 1940 map had US 40 going > > > through St. Charles and going West from there....back then the route > > through > > > Chesterfield was just US 61...Tsingtao Kip > > > > That would be the Doubletree Hotel on Swingley Ridge Road. We decided > > to "name our own price" in the St. Louis area and Doubletree took it. > > I'll take $35 for a 3-star hotel any day of the week, thank ya. I was > > checking my map to see exactly where Chesterfield was and noticed 40 > > appeared to piggyback I-64 through there. I figured unless 64 was built > > on top of it, old 40 must be around there somewhere. > > > > Pat B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877- 285-5434 > WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046 > > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > > 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 > > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > > 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 > > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD- owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@... POST a message via e-mail, send it > to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pat B. Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Thanks for the comments on 40 through Chesterfield. We've never been through that part of the St. Louis area, so we're looking forward to seeing what's out that way. Next question, are there any good mom & pop places to eat in that general area? We're offsetting the fact we're staying in a chain motel by chowing at a greasy spoon. Is there a "must eat" type of place there? We're not picky....burgers & fries will work just fine. Pat B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugo Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <brownwho63@...> wrote: > We've driven 40 west to Columbia a couple of times and, again like > 66, lots of outer road but also some very nice set-apart original > alignments running through small towns. For example, we enjoy > driving the original pavement from Wentzville to Warrenton, driving > the Jonesburg area, and driving the Kingdom City area....Bliss I added some pictures to the Photos section in a folder entitled "US 40 Missouri" of old US 40 in the Boonville and Lamine areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rudkip@sbcglobal.net> Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 I will have to leave this one to those who frequent the area more often than I--I don't know any "mom and pops" out that way 'cept the Smoke House which I believe Kent mentioned...I think Quinn ate there once and had no gripes...Tsingtao Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat B." <roadmaven@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Chesterfield, MO Eats.... Thanks for the comments on 40 through Chesterfield. We've never been through that part of the St. Louis area, so we're looking forward to seeing what's out that way. Next question, are there any good mom & pop places to eat in that general area? We're offsetting the fact we're staying in a chain motel by chowing at a greasy spoon. Is there a "must eat" type of place there? We're not picky....burgers & fries will work just fine. Pat B. Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 46519, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $16.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $29.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.comTo POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Piotrowski Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Thanks, RoadDog, for the mention of my blog. I've been following the caravan as best as I can for its duration. Kind of hard while stuck at work, at meetings about the fate of the Southwest Museum of the American Indian, or watching the World Cup, and all from SoCal, not even near the path. But it's been interesting reading the blogs from those participating. Head to http://interstate50th.org/blogs.shtml for more on those bloggers, including Eisenhower's great-grandson. Also, RoadDog, one correction. Ike didn't lead the tour, but was definitely one of its key participants. Scott Piotrowski, Director 66 Productions www.66productions.com (PS ... my blog is at http://route66la.blogspot.com/ if anyone wants to do any catching up on it.) --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roaddog_rt66" <roaddog_rt66@...> wrote: > > President Eisenhower signed the bill to create the interstate system > on this day back in 1956. A convoy has been travelling across the > US on interstates from San Francisco and is supposed to arrive in > Washington, DC today. > > The original one crossed the US from DC to SF back in 1919 on the > old Lincoln Highway and was led by none other that Dwight > Eisenhower. It soon became apparent that the road system of the US > was not up to the task of handling the increasing auto traffic. > > For better, or worse, travel in the US would never be the same. > > A big thanks to Scott Piotrowski, who, in his blog, alerted me to > one excellent article in the June 25th Baltimore Sun by Stephanie > Shapiro titled "Shaping America, mile by mile." > > This gives a very balanced treatment, giving both the good and the > bad about the interstates. I'll briefly give some of the points > here. > > The bad: > 1. It's right of way destroyed portions of cities and some small > towns (Glenrio, Tx) > 2. "..pushed much of the country's richly varied landscape off the > map > 3. It's monotonous uniformity > 4. Money was diverted from other roads > 5. The urban exodus > > The good: > 1. Above all else, our nation's highways are safer > 2. The US "is a much more unified country, politically and > culturally." > 3. The rise of the trucking industry > 4. The impact and responding growth on some US cities > since the 60s > 5. The growth of Edge Cities > > I highly recommend you read it. Anyone have their own thoghts on any > of this? > > You can check out the newspaper. Go to title search. > > I did get part of the url > > http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/ideas/bal- > id.interstate25jun25,1,1337486.stor... > > Perhaps one of you people who are better at doing this computer > stuff can get the whole url. Again, this is a worthwhile article to > read. > > I know a lot of road warriors don't care for those interstates, but > just imagine how bad our two lane roads would be without the > interstates. > > Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. --RoadDog > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Ward Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Alex, You seem to have history, roads and railroads covered. How about airplanes? The small Winslow airport has a museum about air travel and how it affected Winslow 60 years ago. It was one of the main stops for cross-country aircraft and supposedly was THE busiest airport in Arizona right after World War II. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex<mailto:designkat@hotmail.com> To: <mailto:AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Vacation to La Posada Harvey House in Winslow Hello Everyone, I will be staying at the La Posada Hotel in Winslow, AZ for a few days next month. Aside from the popular scenic attractions such as the Meteor Crater, Painted Desert, and Petrified forest, are there any other places in the area that you guys could recommend for vacation enjoyment? History, railroads, and "Americana" are favorite subjects of mine, so any suggestions on where to go would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arizona Reporter Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 While in Winslow, don't forget to stop at the Old Trails Museum across from the Standin' On The Corner Park. Try the dinners in the restaurant at La Posada. -- James Good - Managing Editor Arizona Reporter: Arizona's Internet NewsWire http://www.azreporter.com/?-arizona-google Newsroom #: 928.289.0626 e-mail: aznewsroom@gmail.com Live Music Events in Arizona: http://www.azreporter.com/?catid=68&blogid=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bakerhab@aol.com Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 The 2007 International Route 66 Festival will be in Clinton, Oklahoma, on June 21-24. Make your hotel/motel reservations soon, as rooms will be in high demand. Unlike the past several festivals, there will not be a designated host hotel. The majority of the festivities will take place, not at any one hotel, but at the Frisco Center and the downtown Clinton area around the Center. FYI: The Will Rogers Awards Banquet is planned for Friday, June 22. Information on the banquet, the Artist and Authors Exhibits and all of the other activities planned for the festival will be published shortly. According to the Chamber of Commerce, "Clinton has 440 hotel rooms and suites to suit your travel needs. The addition of the new Hampton Inn in 2007, will bring the Clinton lodging accommodations to 518 rooms!" The list of hotels/motels below is from the City of Clinton website. You may want to consult the dining and lodging guide or the AAA guidebook for rating information. Thank you, Helen Helen A. Baker Vice President and Events Chairman Route 66 Preservation Foundation 5004 Enfield Avenue, Encino, California 91316 818-705-3930 bakerhab@aol.com www.cart66pf.org Clinton Inn and Suites 1413 Neptune Drive (580) 323-6640 Days Inn 1200 South 10th (580) 323-5550 Glancy Motel 217 Gary Boulevard (580) 323-0112 Hampton Inn (Scheduled to open March 2007. Reservation desk will open approx. 2 months prior to hotel's opening date) 2000 Lexington Ave. (580) 323-6532 Mid-Town Travel Inn 1015 West Gary Boulevard (580) 323-2466 Ramada Inn 2140 Gary Boulevard (580) 323-2010 Relax Inn 1116 South 10th Street (580) 323-1888 Super 8 Motel 1120 South 10th Street (580) 323-4979 Trade Winds Courtyard Inn 2128 Gary Boulevard (580) 323-2610 Travelodge 2247 Gary Boulevard (580) 323-6840 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Michalek Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Lulupic66@... wrote: > > The Abe Lincoln Cemetery is located here as well. It is for our > > citizens who served our country. That's actually the Oak Park Cemetery, and they do have some magnificent memorials to all Illinois citizens who were killed serving in the Armed Forces during the twentieth century. Notably missing is the World War I memorial, but that's actually ON 66. Ask a local. It's been a few years since I've been on 66. Feel free to post a picture of the completed World War II memorial in my photo album Route 66 Miscellany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 FYI: KAET-TV (Phoenix PBS station) as shown some feature articles about La Posada, it's history, and present offerings. They have stories beginning with Mary Jane Colter designing the building to it's present owners who restored the place back to it's original beauty. The TV station just had a story which included comments about La Posada on their public affairs program, "Horizon", this month. Go to: http://www.kaet.asu.edu/kaet/search.html?? q=La+Posada&image.x=21&image.y=8 for a listing of programs and videos they've presented, or go to http://www.kaet.asu.edu and do a search for La Posada. And while you're in Winslow, don't forget to drive by the corner made famous by the Eagles, a rock band from the 70's and beyond. Well, perhaps it's just a corner down town -- for I don't know if it's the REAL corner some fellow was standing on when that blond in a bright red ford slowed down to take a look at him, as the song lyrics go. Regardless. it's a kick to experience! Happy Trails! Tom Thorson http://visual-quest.net --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <designkat@h...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to stay at the former > Harvey House La Posada Hotel at Winslow Arizona? Is it a pleasant > stay? Affordable? I was thinking of taking a small vacation in the > area and thought the La Posada hotel might be a good idea. > > Thanks in advance, > Alex > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drivewdave@aol.com Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 a few years back I discovered the great american haiku Big Mac™ and a Coke™ You deserve a break today™ It's the real thing™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jhwaugh04101 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 In reply to the previous comments: You know this is one of those "chicken and egg" situations. IF our country hadn't gone so whole-hog for Interstate building.....would the mass-transit of freight and people, i.e., the national and regional train systems, as well as the municipal transit of streetcar, electric inter-urban, etc. have fallen away so quickly or would THEY have grown to meet the demand? And if they HAD grown, would not our "need" for these multi-lane behemoths be less? The post war decisions we made as a government and society decidedly affected the thrust of the economy, including and especially, the private auto and truck manufacturing, and the spread and development of "suburbs", where one COULDN'T easily live WITHOUT a private means of transportation, and the cycle goes on still......... As much as we love highways, and byways for our gasoline combustion machines to drive on, I for one, also love trains and the idea of mass-transit. And the vision, or fantasy if you want to call it that, of full-blown, wide-spread, national and local mass transit, seems like a beautiful utopia to me. One, where you can choose NOT to use your auto because you are not FORCED to use it by the current circumstances. Like I said...chicken and egg? John Waugh Portland, Maine, USA --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Michalek" <big_ugly_mich@y...> wrote: > > > I am now a dedicated two-laner, but I would hate to think of how > > bad things would be without the interstates. The thought of all > > that traffic on the old roads is beyond comprehension. > > Not only all that traffic, but all those Dead Man's Curves! I have some > pictures of cars that crashed on the side of a mountain in Colorado > that I took from an Amtrak train. I don't know what highway we were > near, but you can see the Interstate in most of them, too. If I ever > find them, I'll post them so all of you can see why we have Interstates. > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roaddog_rt66 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Or is it? The next time you're tooling down the road, or in your neighborhood, stop in at a Mexican grocery store and order a Mexican Coca Cola. Ask for one at your favorite Mexican eatery. In an article from the Medill News Service, Juan Carlos Hernandez states that a Coke from Mexico is not like one you get from the US. According to him, besides coming in a bottle (and it won't be long before our kids won't even know what a bottle of pop is other than special editions), Mexican Coke includes sugar made from sugarcane. This is a lot sweeter than US Coke which gets its sweetness from corn syrup. It will cost a bit more, but, I believe variety is the spice of life. I, myself, haven't tried one yet. Perhaps we can get some insight from someone. Drinking that Sweet Coke down that Two Lane Highway. -- RoadDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R. Droz Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 The Mexican Coke and Pepsi available at stores in Florida is corn syrup sweetened. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Happy Motoring! _._._._.____~__ Robert V. Droz ( us98@earthlink.net ) [____________][___ U.S. Highways : From US 1 to (US 830) [________/____[_|__ http://www.us-highways.com/ ()() ()() () Route Logs - Standard Oil - Highway Makeover - Pics - Maps - Whatnot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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