Guest Nicole Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Hi Mike! Haven't talked to you in a while! Yes....the North Rim is another area I want to visit. When we were there recently at the South Rim, my mom said the pictures didn't turn out all that great because it was all hazy and foggy in the Canyon. (I'm still eagerly awaiting my pics in the mail!) Well, there was a fire at the North Rim, and I guess a pretty big one, and the smoke was pushed inside the Canyon....it stretched pretty far. Then when we left Hilltop on the West end after going to Supai, you could see where the fire was stemming from at the North Rim.....it looked huge. I'd love to visit the Canyon in the wintertime after a snowfall. I'll bet it's absolutely gorgeous. Although I know many parts of the North Rim are closed off during the winter months. Nicole Mike Ward <flyboy1946@hotmail.com> wrote: Nicole, Next time you get a couple of days off try the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. It's a little harder to get to than the South Rim but there's about a tenth as many people to contend with, it's a lot less commercialized, and the views are at least as spectacular, if not more so. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicole To: ; julieannmoe@hotmail.com ; Peter Harpin ; Jim St Louis ; Colette St Louis ; Jeri L Koenig ; Sherry Allen ; Sean Keidel ; April A Cyr ; Jackie Rowland Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] My Supai Adventure Hi all- The words that come to mind the most when I think of Supai/Havasu Falls is spectacular, awesome, breathtaking, unbelievable, unbeatable, and simply WOW. I have been to the South Rim numerous times now..I love the Grand Canyon. In fact, that place has squeezed its way to #1 in my book, having to share that spot with Route 66. I have much more exploring time to do up there, and many more days to request off of work in order to enjoy myself in a place that to me, is the most beautiful place I have ever been. The South Rim is awesome..a place where you take family or friends if they've never been, a place where you first introduce someone to this great wonder, or a great place to introduce yourself to if you've never been. BUT..that Canyon is such a huge majestic place, that an average 4 hour visit to the South Rim is just the tip of the iceberg, the taste before the indulgence. I've learned that I really underestimated what that Canyon has to offer. I know even though I've now been to (which I will elaborate on shortly) what I deem the most beautiful and magical place I've ever seen with my own two eyes, there are still many more places to explore in the Grand Canyon. I found my new hobby: Gathering all the info whether it be books, brochures, word of mouth, educated persons who know more than I do..whatever, the Grand Canyon is where it's at for me until I can go no further. How lucky I am that I can just drive there in a few hours time. I can be at the west end of the Canyon in only 2 hours. As far as I'm concerned, that certainly is something to brag about. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Worley Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 More Hwy 80 articles in the Dallas Morning News: Part 1: http://www.dallasnews.com/texasliving/stor...ay80.18923.html Part 2: http://www.dallasnews.com/texasliving/stor...0part2.8669a.ht ml Multimedia presentation: http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dallas/hwy_80/hwy_80.html ===== ______________________ Bob & Anneliese Worley Cedar Hill, Texas www.Worley-World.com www.Advocare.com - We Build Champions __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane Dippel Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: My Supai Adventure From: "rwarn17588" 2. Re: Re: My Supai Adventure From: Nicole ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:02:10 -0000 From: "rwarn17588" Subject: Re: My Supai Adventure --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole wrote: > Hi Jim- > > Yes, we did take some pics.....my mom will be sending the duplicates out to me as soon as she gets them. I'll be sure to post some of them. The pictures will be awesome....but still won't do justice as to how beautiful it really is there. She took a picture of my feet after we got back too....geez, wonder if I should post that one? That picture could be a good warning of "things to not do" while hiking....."Do not wear shoes that are too small or not broken in." Geez, I can't stress enough how important that is. Although don't worry.....I'll spare you having to view the sights of that picture! > That was a hell of a story. Let Emily and I buy a beer or two whenever we hook up. You've earned it. Ron Warnick Belleville, IL ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Subject: Re: Re: My Supai Adventure Hey Ron! Yeah.....one of these days we WILL meet up. Since I know I owe you guys a few beers, and you're gonna buy me a few.....looks like whenever it is we do meet up, we're gonna have a great night! ha ha! Nicole rwarn17588 wrote: --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole wrote: > Hi Jim- > > Yes, we did take some pics.....my mom will be sending the duplicates out to me as soon as she gets them. I'll be sure to post some of them. The pictures will be awesome....but still won't do justice as to how beautiful it really is there. She took a picture of my feet after we got back too....geez, wonder if I should post that one? That picture could be a good warning of "things to not do" while hiking....."Do not wear shoes that are too small or not broken in." Geez, I can't stress enough how important that is. Although don't worry.....I'll spare you having to view the sights of that picture! > That was a hell of a story. Let Emily and I buy a beer or two whenever we hook up. You've earned it. Ron Warnick Belleville, IL Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Nicole, I really enjoyed your story about your trip to Supai. I make it a point to stay in Peach Springs at Hualapai Lodge either going to or coming from California. Good food, rooms and very nice people. I forgot the year it was built and open but was so excited when I saw the lodge coming down the hill into Peach Springs.(it's in my notes) Never did I do the trip you did but am interested in riding a horse to Supai. Will be on 66 starting October 13 and hope to see or talk to you on my journey......Jane --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 On AZ 89, a few miles north of Congress, there is a stone walled overlook. There is a dedication plaque to Charles Churchill Small. Internet searches on that name have come up empty despite the fact that the plaque calls him "The father of Arizona highways". Can anyone point me to any info on Charles or this structure? It's merely curiosity but deeply frustrated curiosity:) A picture of the plaque is at: http://www.dennygibson.com/ariz092003/day02/ccsmall.jpg --Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Ward Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Go, Pat, Go!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] New file uploaded to AMERICAN_ROAD Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AMERICAN_ROAD group. File : /Click here for a great jewish dating service Uploaded by : dedohosudi9584 <dedohosudi9584@yahoo.com> Description : Browse through jewish singles You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMERICAN_ROA...for%20a%20great %20jewish%20dating%20service To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dedohosudi9584 <dedohosudi9584@yahoo.com> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sundayjohn66 Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 > File : /Click here for a great jewish dating service So ... do you suppose we could solve that whole squabble in the Middle East if we put this guy in touch with the one who posted the "Meet beautiful Muslim singles" message to the Route 66 News forum? Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thelandrunner <thelandrunner@yah Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Greetings Fellow 66 Roadies, Received a phone call from dear compadre Michael last night. His recovery took a bit of a reverse turn this week. Apparently, one of those leg wounds has got reinfected. He will have to return to the hospital today for another surgery. He is making good progress in maintaining his spirits and courage concerning this relapse, but he is growing weary and tired of having his life so confined during this recovery. Please keep Michael and Suzanne in your prayers ALL this week. Pray for additional strength and courage for the both of them. Pray that Michael will not have to spend Christmas day in a hospital bed. Pray for a speedy and WHOLE recovery for his leg and shoulder AND entire body, mind and spirit! Mike needs us right now, as does his wife Suzanne and the entire family! Keep the cards, letters and gifts coming in! Michael told me that receiving those items really helps him out, as he told me that he draws strength from those acts of LOVE! Since we are praying for a short stay in the hospital this time, it might be best to just keep those get well wishes coming in to his house address and Suzanne can bring the items to him. Have a Blessed Christmas everyone! Reflect on this past year we've all had and make plans for a grand and joyous New Year! God Bless our very dear Route 66 Family!!! Yer Landrunnin' Friend, Ken --- End forwarded message --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thelandrunner <thelandrunner@yah Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Greetings Again Everyone! Guess I'd better send ya'll Michael and Suzanne's address: Michael and Suzanne Wallis Sophian Plaza 1500 South Frisco Avenue #5E Tulsa, Oklahoma 74119 God Bless! the landrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doug Pappas Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 A few recent articles about the Lincoln Highway and Route 66: LH: DeKalb, IL plans to revitalize the Lincoln on the east side of town: http://www.midweeknews.com/business/articl...vitalizing.html Turkey Hill Minit Markets MAY preserve the facade of York's LH Garage: http://ydr.com/story/business/16235/ And Bedford's legendary Coffee Pot has been safely moved to the county fairgrounds: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/7439022.htm 66: Pontiac, IL prepares to welcome the relocated Illinois Route 66 Hall of Fame: http://week.com/morenews/morenews-read.asp?id=3042 Local history on 66 and other topics in Edwardsville, IL: http://www.goedwardsville.com/site/news.cfm?? newsid=10624757&BRD=2291&PAG=461&dept_id=473648&rfi=6 Tulsa looks forward to hosting Route 66 Festival: http://www.kotv.com/pages/viewpage.asp?id=54748 Doug Pappas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roadmaven Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 It appears the honorable governor of Indiana has gone against the wishes of the citizens and will plow a new route for I-69 through southwest Indiana. It appears he and INDOT are the only ones who want this route. Me wonders what tune he would be singing if he was in his 1st term as gov instead of his 2nd (2 term limit here in Hoosierland). There are some great two-lane state highways in that part of the state...but by golly, now you'll be able to cut your travel time to Evansville (the vacation destination of ALL the midwest) from Indianapolis by 26 minutes. Just enough time to stop in and have a great meal at a McBurger at the exit that looks just like the ones at the exits all over Generica. Alright, sorry for the tangent. Back to work. Read more: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/1878809/detail.html Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Hope all is OK for you all down there...Tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ross" <pathfinder66@earthlink.net> To: "AMERICAN ROAD" <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "E-list" <route66@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Lightning Strikes Twice > Hey Everybody, > > Thought I would post an update on the tornado that just smacked Oklahoma City. I'm watching the reports live as I type this. Almost unbelievably, this F3 touched down in Moore and crossed I-35 in almost the exact spot as the F5 of May, 1999. After cutting an identical path through Moore, it crossed I-240, wiping out a few semi trucks, a bus, a bank, two restaurants, and a truck stop, among other destruction. From there it hit the GM plant next to Tinker AFB, then razed a few suburban housing subdivisions before lifting off. It came close to the Landrunner's neighborhood but apparently stayed just to the southeast. All told, the damage is massive, especially in the city of Moore. > > The storm that produced it continued on, connecting with Rt. 66/I-44 near Chandler, then tracked right up the turnpike over Stroud and Bristow. Haven't heard of any damages along the route, though. > > Jim R. > > > > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Got a flyer for the Illinois National Road Festival next weekend (June 13-15...the towns on the road from Troy to Marshall will be having events! You can get info on this by calling 217-849-3188 or through its website, http://www.nationalroad.org.. Happy travels and happy fathers day to all the other dads out there! Tsingtao, Kip Welborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brownwho63 Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Rudyard Welborn" <r.Welborn@w...> wrote: > Got a flyer for the Illinois National Road Festival next weekend (June 13-15...the towns on the road from Troy to Marshall will be having events! You can get info on this by calling 217-849-3188 or through its website, http://www.nationalroad.org.. Happy travels and happy fathers day to all the other dads out there! Tsingtao, Kip Welborn > I got the same flyer this weekend while on the IL annual '66 motor tour. Talked with two of the National Road members who believe that old '40 is even more exciting than '66. We can't make this weekend's event but would definitely do so if it were not for another commitment. Still Cruisin', Bliss > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jerrymc66 Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Kevin wrote: I'm really wondering where the El Rancho, old Shell or the church you mentioned are. What was the name of the church? Just remembering off the top of my head, the El Rancho is just south of Castaic proper on the old two-lane , the Shell Station (one of the early pre-fabricated panel jobs) was across the highway...they may be long gone now. The church was a Baptist church...I THINK that when it was a restaurant (before being bypassed) it was called the La Torre Cafe...I found an image from an old matchbook on ebay, and the Mission architecture looks right. I can barely remember the inside of the sanctuary (which was probably the main dining room) and my Sunday school room, which had very thick walls, and a fireplace, I believe... The Cafe was "on the new ridge route... Castaic, California"... which would have been the first 2-lane bypass of the original ridge route...I seem to remember it being on the left side of the road (headed north) but didn't see it when I was there in 1981. Love to see you get out here soon before everything really changes. Castaic has been a major stop for truckers off the 5 Fwy. With Castaic becoming a bedroom community, I believe the services for truckers will disappear over the next 10 to 15 years. Love to tag along with you if you get out here. I wonder how much that I'd recognise is still left? If I can ever make the time on one of my Rte 66 trips, I'll try to head out your way, Kevin, and I'll give you a holler. Jerry Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest airfrogusmc Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Hey Jeff, Great story. Thanks for the heads up. Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Brusca Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 I nominate the old Boonville, MO bridge on Route 40. 25 MP. The steel decking made your car sway side to side at any speed over 10 MPH. Locals took that old bridge at 40+. You could always tell who wasn't from Boonville by how fast they took the bridge. Sadly, it was torn down about five years ago. Frank Brusca -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:mike@catsupbottle.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:46 AM To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Frightening Bridges The McKinley Bridge at St. Louis was always an adventure! If I remember correctly, I think it was just recently closed... And the old Chain of Rocks Bridge ... ... I remember even as a kid with my grandparents going across it and thinking "man, this bridge sure is skinny!!... and what's the deal with this turn?!?" But, has anyone else ever crossed the Missouri River Bridge, heading north on Route 65 at Waverly, Missouri...? It's actually in really good shape... but in the darkness at night, in the fog, on the downgrade, with a little imagination and the sound of the ribbed deck... it can give ya chills!!! Catsup Bottle Mike Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RWarn17588@aol.com Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 In a message dated 8/9/03 3:08:00 AM Central Daylight Time, Bliss wrote: > Yeah, I think the McKinley is closed due to all of the ailments the > Eads had. Supposed to reopen eventually but don't know if any actual > work is presently being done to it. > An agreement has been reached, and the McKinley is set to reopen in 2004 or 2005. There's a lot of work to be done. I've read some tentative plans for it, and there should be some nice additions. This will be a good thing, as it reopens an old alignment of 66, and it will help the roadside businesses like John's Drive-In in Venice and some good restaurants and one full-serve gas station, Gitcho's, in Granite City. Even better news -- it will be a free bridge. Our bridge situation is questionable. The Chain of Rocks on > the north and the Jefferson Barracks on the south are both good > functioning bridges. The "Poplar Street" next to Busch Stadium is > still in good shape but always overloaded. The Poplar Street Bridge (I-55/70/64) is quite troublesome now because of repairs on ramps on the Missouri side. But that should be cleared up by the fall. The Jefferson Barracks Bridge (I-255) is fine, but there's a lot of construction leading up to it on the Missouri side in the next few weeks. The Chain of Rocks Bridge (I-270) is fine, too, after a troublesome construction project about five years ago. The King is old and > scary. The Eads appears to be in great shape. The > MacArthur (sp?) > next to the Poplar Street carries trains only and has been closed to > vehicles for about 40 years. Sorry to say that I don't know nearly > enough about our bridges. There has been some talk of building a new > downtown bridge. > Actually, the MacArthur has been closed to vehicular traffic since 1980, which kinda infuriates me. All these traffic mess-ups on the Poplar Street Bridge, and yet there's a still-functioning bridge that would seem to be a halfway-decent funnel onto Interstate 55 and south St. Louis. Don't think about sneaking onto the MacArthur and driving it, either. That's because they completely took out about a 50-foot section of roadbed on the East St. Louis side after it closed. In fact, you can see this missing section if you look carefully while crossing the Poplar Street Bridge. My wife and I have explored the MacArthur Bridge area on the East St. Louis side on 10th Street. There's a big chain-link fence blocking the entrance, along with cool ruins of an old gas station and an old neon sign for the defunct Nichols BBQ. By the way, this alignment was part of Route 66 (city route) and Route 40. You can check out the MacArthur Bridge's former entrance on the Missouri side very close to the venerable Eat Rite Diner ("Eat Rite or don't eat at all") at Chouteau and Seventh. The Martin Luther King Bridge is fine, near as I can tell. They did some work on it about two years ago, so it should be in good shape for a while. The Eads Bridge (opened in 1871, I believe) reopened on the July 4 holiday after about 10 years of repairs and reconstruction (it never was completely taken out of service, as the MetroLink light-rail runs on it, too). It's a nice cruising bridge, with a 35 mph speed limit, and Emily and I have used it when traffic on the Poplar Street Bridge going into Illinois was jammed. As for the new bridge, Lord knows when it will actually be started. It's supposed to be an Interstate 70 bridge that crosses north of downtown. But with state and federal budget crunches, construction will probably be put off a few years. I think we're looking at 2012 or 2015 before it's ever done. Ron Warnick Belleville, IL (faithful Illinois highway explorer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich Rheingold Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Cover Story --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- A Road Runs Through It Route 20 reveals unexpected treasures to those who take their time Photos by Michael Davis Text by J.T. Hall --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- In many ways, and in many places, a trip across New York state on Route 20 remains a journey into the past. This old federal highway, which spans the continent--it is one-third again as long as its more celebrated cousin, Route 66--enters New York in obscurity from Massachusetts at New Lebanon and exits quietly into the northwestern spur of Pennsylvania, more than 340 miles to the west, at Ripley. Some of the places along the way are well-known; Albany and Buffalo lie near either end, and a few Erie Canal-era towns like Auburn, Seneca Falls, Geneva and Canandaigua have made their own mark on history. Yet much smaller, obscure hamlets are the rule. Silver Creek, Pavilion Center, Bloomfield and Avon (pronounced Aaa-von) to the west, and West Winfield, Richfield Springs, Leesville and Esperance to the east characterize a largely rural highway bypassed by the hum of commerce and development. Route 20 originated in 1799 when the New York State Legislature, in the interest of emigration and commerce, commissioned private companies to develop turnpikes, for which the companies were permitted to charge tolls. In Central New York, the Cherry Valley Turnpike connected Albany first to Cherry Valley and then, at the initiative of Cazenovia's John Lincklaen, to Cazenovia and Manlius. To the west, the Seneca Turnpike proceeded to Skaneateles. This patchwork system eventually bisected the state, and a surge of traffic followed. Route 20 carried emigrants in covered wagons, drovers following herds, and freight in utility rigs. The traffic ebbed, however, when the Erie Canal opened in 1825, offering easier, safer travel. By 1859, the state had bought out all of the original turnpike companies, eliminating tolls. After the Civil War, a wave of improvements ensued, making routes like the Cherry Valley Turnpike easier to traverse. Route 20 languished, however, while the east-west corridor to the north--the Mohawk Valley, the Erie Canal and the railroad routes--saw industrial development. The advent of automobile travel brought new life to the old road after 1915, spurring road improvements and commercial development aimed at travelers. As with its earlier prosperity, however, Route 20 would once again see its lifeblood drawn off by a better option to the north. When the New York State Thruway opened in the mid- 1950s, the road to the south began yet another decline. Today Route 20 is an amalgam of the past and the present, a worn anachronism at one turn, an enduring symbol of vitality at the next. Buffalo's Rich Stadium looms near one terminus, Albany's Empire State Plaza at the other. And somewhere along the road connecting them are fallow fields regenerating into forests, farm stands spilling over with bountiful harvests, post-and-beam barns on their last legs and prosperous farms with "Dairy of Distinction" laurels postered out front. Travelers also find forlorn roadside cabins whose last guests departed a generation ago, a giant teepee full of knickknacks, quaint lakeside villages favored by the rich and famous, dead farm equipment, fast-food joints, real diners and lots of open space. The road may have gone north, but after more than 200 years, Route 20 remains what it must have been at the beginning: a fascinating drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Back to the Find out about Rway Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Copyright A© 2000, Rway Communications a division of RAS, Inc. Syracuse New Times content is Copyright 2000 by A. Zimmer Ltd., used by permission. It's not our fault! Please read this disclaimer. Send feedback to snt@syracusenewtimes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rudyard Welborn Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I recall Ron Warnick saying that there is an 8 year or so timetable on fixing the bridge but that they are going to put it back into commission...the King Bridge is actually in excellent shape and is a decent alternative when the Poplar Street Bridge is gunked up...Eads is in great shape and depending on who you ask looks nice (one person said that the roadbed looks like an interstate highway, which I guess it does but beats tearing it down)...it puts you into East St. Louis coming from the West, with easy access to the ugly road...I wish they would do something with the MacArthur/Municipal Bridge, which was the principal crossing into downtown before the Poplar, but alas it appears that it is and will remain a parking lot...Tsingtao, Kip ----- Original Message ----- From: "brownwho63" <wefly66@earthlink.net> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Cruisin' St. Louis > Yeah, I think the McKinley is closed due to all of the ailments the > Eads had. Supposed to reopen eventually but don't know if any actual > work is presently being done to it. (Kip, do you know anything about > this?) Our bridge situation is questionable. The Chain of Rocks on > the north and the Jefferson Barracks on the south are both good > functioning bridges. The "Poplar Street" next to Busch Stadium is > still in good shape but always overloaded. The King is old and > scary. The Eads appears to be in great shape. The MacArthur (sp?) > next to the Poplar Street carries trains only and has been closed to > vehicles for about 40 years. Sorry to say that I don't know nearly > enough about our bridges. There has been some talk of building a new > downtown bridge. > > Still Cruisin', > Bliss > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "airfrogusmc" <abphoto7@c...> > wrote: > > Man great story; great day. I was in the St Louis area over the 4th > > of July and should have gotten down town. I thought that I read > > somewhere that the old McKinley bridge is closed. Drove over it in > 92 > > and it was a in bad shape then but wirth the price of admission. > > > > Allen > > > > Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com > > To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! > Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 > SUBSCRIPTION RATES: > 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 > (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) > 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 > (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) > > > For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com > > To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: > AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Yo Denny! NICE! Honored you made some webpages on the Triangle Fish Adventure! Sounds like a wonderful time. Next time you're in Phoenix, I'll take you to Blue. (If you have a SUV). Q:) God Bless and Happy Trails. the landrunner --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <mail@d...> wrote: > Pictures are there (I believe. Had the normal amount of motel vs. computer > vs. internet vs. brain cramp goings on.). That sample was super and I hope > to dip into that bag again from time to time. > > Many thanks, > Denny Gibson > http://www.dennygibson.com (Triangle-Fish Adventure at > http://www.dennygibson.com/ariz092003) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken [mailto:thelandrunner@y...] > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:03 PM > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: I'm sleeping in a Wig Wam... > > > Greetings Denny! > > Glad you liked the suggested route and scenic drive! Got thousands > of 'em in the bag of treks! Looking forward to seeing your pics! > I'll bet you got a great one of the old Salt River bridge, huh? Q:) > > God Bless and Many More Happy Trails. > > the landrunner > <http://www.route66postmarkart.com> > > > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <mail@d...> > wrote: > > and, as many of you know, they are without telephones. John has > graciously > > allowed me to connect via the office phone to send this but > pictures of the > > day's trip along Ken's suggested route (Ken, I owe you a very tall > cold one. > > Excellent drive.) will have to wait until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Allen Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Denny, Great stuff. The photos look very good. Thanks Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicole Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Denny, Landrunner is "THE" one to go to before you take a road trip. He knows it all, no matter where it is you're headed. He certainly lives up to his name. I know if I ever have any questions on where to go....or a better route to take on any of my travels.....he's the man to go to. Ken...did you get your most current issue of Arizona Highways yet? There's a good article in there on Blue Country. Just 2-1/2 more weeks till our trek into Supai/Havasu Falls. I'll keep you posted on events, I am very excited about this trip!! Nicole --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denny Gibson Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I've had membership pending in the Route 40 eGroup for awhile but just put it off to busy schedules. I know Frank is a member here so thought I'd ask if all is well? I see his last post here was a couple of months back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ken Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Hi'Ya Nicole! Thanks Ya Ma'am, but I seriously doubt that I "know it all", but I certainly try to as best I can. Q:) So wish I'd join you on the Supai/Havasu Falls Adventure. You know that it's my favourite location on Earth! I envy you right now! Plans are still in the works, but the 2004 Route 66 Grand Canyon Adventure trek will most likely be happening next July. Sure hope you and Kevin can make it. All Roadies are invited for an adventure trip for a lifetime of memories. Just let me know. Folks wanting to see where Nicole is going to in a few weeks, please scroll "down to the bottom" of the following webpage: <http://home.earthlink.net/~thelandrunner66> Haven't seen the new Arizona highways magazine yet. So many great magazines out there! I'll head to the library and check it out. Maybe someone will buy me a birthday subscription someday. [hehe] Q;) God Bless and Happy Trails. Yer landrunnin' Friend! P.S. I just came up with that "Bag of Treks" expression out of the Blue. [hehe] Kinda cool, huh? I like it!!! Q:) --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole <arizona66nms@y...> wrote: > Denny, > > Landrunner is "THE" one to go to before you take a road trip. He knows it all, no matter where it is you're headed. He certainly lives up to his name. I know if I ever have any questions on where to go....or a better route to take on any of my travels.....he's the man to go to. > > Ken...did you get your most current issue of Arizona Highways yet? There's a good article in there on Blue Country. > > Just 2-1/2 more weeks till our trek into Supai/Havasu Falls. I'll keep you posted on events, I am very excited about this trip!! > > Nicole > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicole Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Ken! I never knew you had that site or that "link" set up and created......I cannot wait until my mom sees that! That is just awesome Ken!! It's no joke you have a BIG bag o' treks hidden somewhere! What else are you hiding?? As always......thanks for more exciting pics, info, and just plain roadie stuff-you're the best! Nicole Ken <thelandrunner@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi'Ya Nicole! Thanks Ya Ma'am, but I seriously doubt that I "know it all", but I certainly try to as best I can. Q:) So wish I'd join you on the Supai/Havasu Falls Adventure. You know that it's my favourite location on Earth! I envy you right now! Plans are still in the works, but the 2004 Route 66 Grand Canyon Adventure trek will most likely be happening next July. Sure hope you and Kevin can make it. All Roadies are invited for an adventure trip for a lifetime of memories. Just let me know. Folks wanting to see where Nicole is going to in a few weeks, please scroll "down to the bottom" of the following webpage: <http://home.earthlink.net/~thelandrunner66> Haven't seen the new Arizona highways magazine yet. So many great magazines out there! I'll head to the library and check it out. Maybe someone will buy me a birthday subscription someday. [hehe] Q;) God Bless and Happy Trails. Yer landrunnin' Friend! P.S. I just came up with that "Bag of Treks" expression out of the Blue. [hehe] Kinda cool, huh? I like it!!! Q:) --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole <arizona66nms@y...> wrote: > Denny, > > Landrunner is "THE" one to go to before you take a road trip. He knows it all, no matter where it is you're headed. He certainly lives up to his name. I know if I ever have any questions on where to go....or a better route to take on any of my travels.....he's the man to go to. > > Ken...did you get your most current issue of Arizona Highways yet? There's a good article in there on Blue Country. > > Just 2-1/2 more weeks till our trek into Supai/Havasu Falls. I'll keep you posted on events, I am very excited about this trip!! > > Nicole > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434 WITH YOUR ORDER TODAY! Or send payment to: Mock Turtle Press, PO Box 3168, Lynnwood, WA 98046-3168 SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 1 year (4 issues) for $15.95 (save $3.85 off the newsstand price!) 2 years (8 issues) for $27.95 (save $11.65 off the newsstand price!) For questions about the list, contact: AMERICAN_ROAD-owner@yahoogroups.com To SUBSCRIBE to this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: AMERICAN_ROAD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To POST a message via e-mail, send it to: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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