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Evening all.....We had a great weekend traveling Kentucky and southern

 

Indiana this weekend. And I'm happy to report we did it without having to set a

 

wheel on the interstate. :-) We came across some very cool roadside

 

architecture

 

along the way...mainly from the many walk-up ice cream stands we encountered.

 

 

 

However, the highlight of the weekend was our stay at Wigwam Village #2 in

 

Cave City, KY. Folks, I can't express enough what a pleasure it was to talk with

 

a mom & pop motel owner who actually "gets it" like owner Ivan John does. I

 

think Catsup Bottle Mike can attest to this, as he stayed there recently as

 

well.

 

 

 

There is something to be said for a man like this who works day & night at

 

his place, by himself, for 9 months out of the year, with the only help he gets

 

from a maintenance man who does the lawns. Any road warrior who ever gets a

 

chance to spend time with him talking about the history of the motel would walk

 

away thinking "Every motel needs a guy like this". Not only has he cleaned up

 

the motel since he's had it for 8 years, but he refuses to rent them out for

 

anyone wishing to stay there "long term".

 

 

 

There's more to the story with Ivan, but I suggest you make a trip to Cave

 

City for yourself! http://wigwamvillage.com

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

Speedway, IN

 

http://theroadmaven.com

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Guest mike@catsupbottle.com

Greetings one and all...

 

It was one month ago today that the 5th annual Downtown Collinsville World's

 

Largest Catsup Bottle Summerfest Birthday Party and Car Show Bash was an

 

overwhelming success! A big thank you to everyone who participated and to

 

everyone

 

who came out to enjoy the festivities, in spite of the heat (well, after all,

 

it is called the SUMMERfest!).

 

We've updated the Summerfest page with tons of photos and we've also added an

 

update with our appearance in "Woman's World" magazine and in the new

 

"Illinois Route 66 Heritage Project" brochure.

 

If you've got a moment, please check it out!

 

http://www.catsupbottle.com

 

Mike

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Guest Ted Bachman

Slim, I thank you for all the insight & the tips. I'm very excited about this

 

trip & your description of Manitou Springs reinforces & enhances my paltry

 

research on the area. I'll definately check out all the places you mentioned &

 

try to document other cool sites I run across. Less than 24 hours to blast

 

off!!!

 

 

 

Ted

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Russell S. Rein

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:57 PM

 

Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] LHA to Colorado............PPOO back to Illinois

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Ted,

 

 

 

I would be very interested in any details of your PPOO trip. I collect

 

PPOO ephemera, but never drove it, or took the time out to map

 

the old alignment details.

 

 

 

I took a similar trip a few years back - I drove US 24 from SE Michigan

 

to Manitou Springs to go to the Society for Commercial Archeology

 

National Conference in Manitou Springs. The Colorado / Manitou

 

Springs area is the ultimate tourist trap - be sure to take the cog train

 

up Pikes Peak (don't drive it first as funny things can happen at 14,000+

 

feet), Garden of the Gods, Santa's Village, and perhaps 60 or more

 

vintage cabin camps and motels lovingly maintained by their new Polish

 

and Russian emigre owners. The conference was headquarted at the

 

Rainbow Lodge. I couldn't get a room there as it was booked solid, so

 

I stayed a few places down at the formerly named Okla-Tex Court - the

 

first place in the area to have indoor plumbing. Make sure you drive the

 

 

 

whole way E - W through towns on Old 24 - Colorado Ave. and N - S

 

on Old 85 - Nevada Ave. and bring lots of film.

 

 

 

If you are taking US 24 back part ways be sure to stop at the Genoa

 

Tower in Genoa, CO - a great old tourist trap tower - see six states!

 

http://ican.editthispage.com/genoatower/

 

It used to front right on US 24 but it is long gone and now backs on

 

I-70.

 

 

 

Also, before I forget, when you leave Big Springs, NE the first town

 

into CO is Julesburg. The barber in town is located in the old Ford

 

Garage - which he has turned into a mini-museum with cars, Oregon

 

Trail, Lincoln Highway and Julesburg memorabilia. He's only open

 

a few days a week when he cuts hair - ask anybody on the street

 

where it's at.

 

 

 

Hit that road!

 

 

 

yer pal,

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:34:03 -0500 "Ted Bachman" <tbachman@vmichicago.com>

 

writes:

 

> My wife & I are leaving early Thursday for a 1 1/2 week road trip,

 

> driving from Chicagoland to Denver via the LHA (including the

 

> rejected route from Big Springs, Nebraska down to Denver). Our

 

> return will be via the Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway corridor

 

> (basically U.S. 36) from Colorado Springs back to Central Illinois,

 

> then home. I've marked (guessed) the old PPOO alignment on the

 

> various Delorme state maps, based on a 1926 PPOO guide, and will

 

> drive as much of it as time (& my wife) will allow. (She already

 

> told me no dirt roads.)

 

>

 

> Does anyone know of any "must see" roadie locations along the PPOO?

 

> We've driven the LHA

 

> before but have not found huge amounts of information on the PPOO.

 

>

 

> Thanks,

 

> Ted

 

>

 

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Larry,

 

By all means, AVOID the Gardenway Motel in Villa Ridge. It ranks

 

right up there as the worst place I've stayed. That place has so much

 

potential to be a classic Route 66 motel where people would make a

 

point to stay.

 

Since you're coming back US 150 in southern Indiana, you MUST drive

 

through West Baden/French Lick, which is right off 150 on IN-56. If

 

you've got some extra time on your schedule, by all means take the

 

tour of the 100 year old West Baden Springs Hotel, once proclaimed

 

the 8th Wonder of the World:

 

http://www.historiclandmarks.org/things/westbaden.html

 

 

 

Also, there's a nice train ride down there that leaves the Indiana

 

Railway Museum and takes you right by the house where Larry Bird grew

 

up. It also goes through an impressive 1500 foot tunnel on the

 

journey.

 

 

 

You'll also enjoy US 150 between IN-56 and Shoals, where you'll

 

hook up with US 50. 150 goes through the Hoosier National Forest and

 

is an AWESOME two lane drive. Highly suggested for an novice road

 

maven, especially during the fall. Be sure to give us a full report

 

once you return!

 

 

 

Pat

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Guest Denny Gibson

I am looking for information on the Wayne Parkway that ran along the

 

west edge of Ohio on parts of US 127 & OH 49. Web searches have

 

turned up bits & pieces (e.g., the board for the route was abolished

 

in 1993) but no details and nothing other than general routing

 

information. Suggestions of where I might look are welcomed.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, Ohio

 

mail@dennygibson.com

 

http://www.dennygibson.com

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Greetings Ted,

 

 

 

Since you will be returning home on US 36, be sure to make a stop at

 

the "Geographical Center of the Conterminous United States", which

 

will be 2 miles north of US 36, just outside of Lebanon, Kansas. Not

 

much there except a marker, flagpole and flag, small chapel (which is

 

very, very cool), an abandoned motel, and a picnic pavillion. Just

 

being there in the center is an awesome feeling. Great place to kick

 

back for a packed lunch and have some total peace and quiet for a bit.

 

 

 

Have a great and safe adventure! Travel on!

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

 

 

the landrunner

 

 

 

P.S. LHA stands for the Lincoln Highway Association, right? At first,

 

I thought that you were cruising on the association. (;D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Ted Bachman" <tbachman@v...>

 

wrote:

 

> My wife & I are leaving early Thursday for a 1 1/2 week road trip,

 

driving from Chicagoland to Denver via the LHA (including the

 

rejected route from Big Springs, Nebraska down to Denver). Our return

 

will be via the Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway corridor (basically

 

U.S. 36) from Colorado Springs back to Central Illinois, then home.

 

I've marked (guessed) the old PPOO alignment on the various Delorme

 

state maps, based on a 1926 PPOO guide, and will drive as much of it

 

as time (& my wife) will allow. (She already told me no dirt roads.)

 

>

 

> Does anyone know of any "must see" roadie locations along the PPOO?

 

We've driven the LHA

 

> before but have not found huge amounts of information on the PPOO.

 

>

 

> Thanks,

 

> Ted

 

>

 

>

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What a great story, Nicole! Thank you for sharing all the details, both the

 

good and the bad. I've never been to the bottom of the Canyon, and

 

probably never will, so I appreciated your descriptionof the beauty of Havasu.

 

I

 

could, however, sympathize with you about the foot problems. Back in the days

 

when I was a hiker (yes, I really was!), I suffered like that several times,

 

always because the boots weren't broken in properly. (But it was NEVER worse

 

than the time, at age 13, I insisted on walking around New York City for a

 

full day in 4-inch heels, because I wanted to be "sophisticated". Now THAT is

 

pain!)

 

 

 

I hope you will have some photos to share with us soon!

 

 

 

Laurel

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Hi all-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The words that come to mind the most when I think of Supai/Havasu Falls is

 

spectacular, awesome, breathtaking, unbelievable, unbeatable, and simply WOW.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have been to the South Rim numerous times now……I love the Grand Canyon. In

 

fact, that place has squeezed its way to #1 in my book, having to share that

 

spot with Route 66. I have much more exploring time to do up there, and many

 

more days to request off of work in order to enjoy myself in a place that to me,

 

is the most beautiful place I have ever been. The South Rim is awesome……a place

 

where you take family or friends if they’ve never been, a place where you first

 

introduce someone to this great wonder, or a great place to introduce yourself

 

to if you’ve never been. BUT……that Canyon is such a huge majestic place, that

 

an average 4 hour visit to the South Rim is just the tip of the iceberg, the

 

taste before the indulgence. I’ve learned that I really underestimated what

 

that Canyon has to offer. I know even though I’ve now been to (which I will

 

elaborate on shortly) what I deem the most beautiful and magical place I’ve ever

 

seen with my own two eyes, there are still many more

 

places to explore in the Grand Canyon. I found my new hobby: Gathering all

 

the info whether it be books, brochures, word of mouth, educated persons who

 

know more than I do….whatever, the Grand Canyon is where it’s at for me until I

 

can go no further. How lucky I am that I can just drive there in a few hours

 

time. I can be at the west end of the Canyon in only 2 hours. As far as I’m

 

concerned, that certainly is something to brag about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have learned quite a bit already in my last quest to see more of the Canyon.

 

My last adventure was to Supai, and to Havasu Falls. I learned that only 2% of

 

the annual visitors to the Grand Canyon (approximately 5 million people)

 

actually see the Falls. When you think of going to the Grand Canyon, most think

 

of driving and looking at it from the top, taking a picture at the entrance next

 

to the big sign that says “Grand Canyon National Park”, then going back to their

 

hotel room for the night. For those of you reading this who have done or relate

 

to only that…..that is just child’s play to what is really there, to what is

 

really inside that big hole you’re looking into. There is an abundance of

 

hidden treasures, gems, and secrets in that place that once you find, you never

 

forget and cannot wait to go back for more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our trek started last Sunday at about 6:30 a.m. My mom and I had a long hike

 

ahead of us, about 10 miles to be exact. I think the most I’ve ever walked at

 

one time, even on a treadmill was 7 miles. But I was convinced it wouldn’t be a

 

problem because it was the “Grand Canyon” and I’d be too busy appreciating where

 

I was at the whole time to realize how far I was hiking. Well, needless to say,

 

I learned a whole lot about things I myself underestimated and had to go through

 

to learn for myself the hard way! The first part of the hike, along the

 

switchback going down into the Canyon was really cool…..except for my hiking

 

shoes that I hadn’t fully broken in, and were a tad snug had already caused open

 

blisters on each of my heels not even a ? mile in. So yes…….be sure you have

 

comfortable footwear if you ever plan on making this hike. Most people already

 

know this, as did I, but I underestimated the terrain and the length of our

 

hike. So having to stop right after getting started

 

to put moleskin on (and later when things got even worse, duct tape over the

 

moleskin) wasn’t the brightest of planning. But that first part was the only

 

time I had any problems hiking in, or any problems with my shoes/feet while

 

hiking. We trekked on, both with our packs and gear (thanks again Elaine!),

 

passing other adventurers either hiking back up, or going in the same direction

 

we were. Everyone you come across down there is so friendly, and the atmosphere

 

amongst all the hikers is really special. Everyone down there knows they are in

 

such a unique and remote place…..when so many other people don’t even know about

 

it. I can still picture the scenery on the hike in……the rock formations, the

 

desert plantlife, mixed in with the green, the huge walls of rock surrounding

 

you. I don’t even know how to begin to explain it, because it’s simply

 

something one must see for themselves. It’s such a huge difference from

 

standing and sightseeing at the South Rim. But you pass other

 

hikers, always with a smile and a hello…….and you get a few more miles closer

 

to your destination, asking the people hiking out “how much further?” thinking

 

they’d already know since they’ve previously hiked in….which I get a laugh out

 

of now because everyone has a different idea of what “only about 4 more miles”

 

or “you’re getting there!” is. Don’t trust anyone’s sense of mileage down

 

there……they are wrong! ha ha! I passed one guy who said we had about 4 more

 

miles to go…..another guy just a few minutes later said we were almost

 

there….only about 2 miles. Just know that you have one hell of a hike and

 

there’s no turning back once you get started…..so grin and bear it until you get

 

to the campsite check-in 8 miles later!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So we trek along…….and every so often we pass Canyon dwellers coming back up on

 

horseback, or a native bringing his herd (is “herd” the right word to use for

 

horses? Ha ha!) of horses back up the Canyon to take more people down, or to let

 

them rest for the day. On each side of us was huge rock rising above us so

 

high, we were hugged in the Canyon floor, forced to continue on. One native

 

passing us with his “herd” of horses told my mother he’d give her 100 horses in

 

trade for me. That was all funny funny ha ha until my mom turned around and

 

said “When you get back to Supai, we’ll talk.” Some things never change!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, all was going fine and good, until we were almost to Supai…..and the hike

 

started taking its toll on me. It wasn’t the mileage-it was the weight on my

 

back, my blisters (which when all was said and done…..4 big blisters and a cut

 

on one foot, and 3 blisters and 2 small cuts on the other, so needless to say I

 

will not be doing any foot modeling in the near future) and it didn’t hit me

 

till we hit a small creek. I don’t know what body of water this was….a small

 

river, or creek, or what….but it was wide enough to make us stop and question

 

how to cross it. It was shallow, not even knee high….but it was running rapid

 

and my mom began to question if we were even on the right trail. (I had visions

 

of The Blair Witch Project going through my head when this fiasco started) I

 

remember someone telling me that there is a small bridge you cross before you

 

get to Supai, and we were almost to Supai still not having crossed any bridge

 

but yet coming across water. Well, having stopped in

 

the middle of nowhere…….that was the first mistake. The minute we actually

 

stopped, was the minute I realized I wasn’t in good shape. My feet were beyond

 

killing me, and the weight on my back and the heat of the late morning all

 

slapped me in the face. The events that took place were all downhill from there

 

until we actually made it past the falls to our campsite, still having to hike

 

about 3 more miles to even get there. My mom didn’t think I should or could

 

cross this body of water with the pack on me, thinking I’d be swept off of my

 

feet….and me disputing this saying I could do it because it was so shallow, and

 

that I just wanted to take my shoes off first. Which I ended up doing……as she

 

left demanding to take the big pack which had the tent and other mandatory

 

camping items (which I was carrying) before I did so, because she was going to

 

find an alternate route over this water and if I was going to be swept

 

downstream (like she was convinced I was going to be), she wanted

 

her tent. (Can you fell the love now?) So I took my shoes off, put on the

 

water shoes, grabbed the lighter pack….and stubbornly continued to cross the

 

water as she took off in the opposite direction to find the bridge. Crossing

 

this water was a cinch…..and that crystal clear water felt so good on my

 

mutilated feet, I could of stood there for hours. By this time I was now alone,

 

hot, extremely mad, in pain all over, and wanting to quit all this damned

 

hiking. This is where my pace really slowed down, having covered about 7 miles

 

already……I was moaning and groaning, swearing, way too hot, slugging along at an

 

embarrassingly slow pace, and where I was at was temporarily not being

 

appreciated whatsoever because I had problems to contend with. Now that I look

 

back on it…..I was probably just flat out pathetic!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I finally reach Supai……I was in such bad shape at this point that I didn’t care

 

who saw me or what they thought…..I was way too mad, too hot, and too sore to

 

care. If anyone has ever been in a situation like this when hiking, you feel my

 

pain. Once I reached the village, I didn’t know where I was going and I just

 

saw some houses scattered, with the natives minding their own business (probably

 

having seen one too many unprepared moron hikers like myself wandering through

 

their property) walking along, or kids playing in the nearby water. I felt like

 

I was in the Twilight Zone…..because here I was walking, in obvious pain, alone,

 

in the abyss of “middle of nowhere” at the bottom of the Grand Canyon and noone

 

acknowledged me at all….they just passed me without even looking twice at me. I

 

had to stop and ask some kids who were playing in the water, where the village

 

“cafe” was……and each one told me a different direction (which confirmed my

 

thoughts of Twilight Zone)…….and I trekked

 

on actually dropping my bag temporarily feeling like I couldn’t go much

 

further. I look back now and realize I was being just a tad dramatic and was

 

more angry than anything else due to my lack of being prepared with the shoe

 

situation. It was my feet that rained on my parade. I kept the water shoes on

 

from the time I crossed the creek/river. There was no way I could put my shoes

 

back on. So as I am wandering through Supai, I finally stumble across a

 

building in which I thought was just another house, that had a sign for the

 

camping check-in. I was so happy……I stumbled in there, dirty, panting, hot, and

 

just wanting to get off of my feet, and the weight of the pack off of my back.

 

But I must say……I was there waiting for at least 15 minutes before my mom walked

 

through the door! No…it’s not a competition, I just had to make that known. He

 

he! But she did end up taking the “correct” way and actually found the

 

bridge…..I don’t even know how I found my way into town at the

 

rate I was going. I just slumped in a chair and waited for her to get there.

 

I had had it…..I was done with this hike, but yet I couldn’t be. I still had

 

almost 2 miles to go to get to the campsite! There was no phone I could use to

 

call a friend, there was no car waiting outside……I had no choice but to get up

 

and hike 2 more miles. Such drama.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of this hike I was going at a great pace, with my mom trailing behind me on

 

the way in. Now it was the complete opposite…..she was way ahead of me, and at

 

this point I had pathetically began to moan and groan the whole way……in utter

 

pain and agony, all because of my blasted FEET. If it weren’t for my messing up

 

my feet, I could of hiked on forever. It was this measly 2 mile hike to the

 

campsite that did me in….that was the worst part. I’ll spare you the annoying

 

pathetic details because I’m sure you already get the point. I was not the most

 

pleasant to be with at this time…..and my mom kept ahead of me ignoring my moans

 

of pain and cries of frustration. We had planned on hiking out the next

 

day……and now that was definitely not going to happen. There were a couple of

 

guys hiking up passing me who saw me struggling the way I was (basically having

 

a little tantrum) and one had offered to carry me to the campsite which at this

 

point wasn’t far away at all……and I sarcastically

 

told him I’d pay him $1000 (that I didn’t have) if he would do so. He told me

 

to not worry…..it’s just around the corner. Well “just around the corner” when

 

you’re down in the Grand Canyon is another term for ANOTHER MILE AND A HALF.

 

Well, when we finally pass this “corner” you suddenly (yes….the story brightens

 

back up from here folks) hear this amazing roar….of Havasu Falls. In all my

 

angst…….I had to swallow my pride, stop my crying and moaning and actually go

 

“ohhhh myyyyy godddddd” as I first laid eyes on those falls. There are no

 

words, no pictures, no anything that could ever describe what I was looking at

 

and what it did to me. It’s simply something you have to see for yourself. But

 

I will say I have never seen anything so beautiful, and so majestic, and so

 

moving in my entire life. The scenery in that whole area is like something from

 

a storybook…….the Grand Canyon is beyond beautiful no matter where you go, but

 

this…..this was a whole other story. A true gem of

 

heaven like nothing you’ve ever seen in your life no matter where your travels

 

in life may have taken you. (I’d be willing to bet anyway) So we finally set

 

up camp……or should I say my mom did most of that while I sat at a picnic table

 

peeling duct tape and moleskin off of my feet almost afraid to look at the

 

damage underneath. (Pleasant picture, huh?) The minute those water shoes, duct

 

tape, and moleskin came off of my feet…..I went barefoot the rest of the time.

 

And when I mean the rest of the time…..I mean the rest of the time. On our

 

almost 2 mile hike back to the village the next morning, I did that

 

barefoot……but lucky for me it’s mostly sand. I could not put on shoes to save

 

my life. When we took the copter out the next day……I walked up to the

 

helicopter pad in a pair of hiking socks. Oh yeah…..all the people down in

 

Supai and at the campground saw me at my best. Geez…..good thing you never do

 

see some people again in your life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So once camp was set up……we walked back up to Havasu Falls, which wasn’t far at

 

all from our campsite…..I slowly walked it barefoot with no problem. Sometimes

 

it doesn’t pay to live in 120 degree weather, because most people were swimming

 

in the crystal clear blue water and I thought it was way too cold. I’m now used

 

to having to have much more severe heat to feel it’s warm enough to get into

 

water to swim. I finally got in, mainly to soothe my feet….and only got in

 

about waist high. My mom was swimming around in it with no problems at all…..I

 

envied her. Again…..being down in there at the falls was so good for the

 

soul…..so relaxing, so amazing. You can’t take your eyes off of it once you’re

 

down there. Like I said before….it really is something from a storybook. A

 

perfect place to take a significant other, it’s so romantic. And poor Kevin,

 

he’s always so patient with me when I always beg him to come along on my last

 

minute road trips and quirky stops….I really think he’s

 

gonna give me credit this time when we go down to the falls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We fell asleep in our tent that night right along the river….the run-off from

 

the falls, the sounds of the rushing water…..put me right to sleep and was

 

heaven to wake up to. Our hike out that morning wasn’t so bad…..I had slept

 

almost 10 hours, I was whipped. So I was well rested, and was fine aside

 

from….you guessed it, my feet. So I hiked it barefoot to Supai where we shortly

 

thereafter hopped in the helicopter to our 8 minute ride to the top. I got

 

front row seat next to the pilot and again…..no words to describe that either,

 

unless you’ve done it, or do it for yourself. That ride was so awesome!!! I

 

can’t wait to do it again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve learned a few things, and am going to share them with you all in case you

 

do plan a big adventure like this one, and have never done so before. The first

 

one is obvious, and excuse my ignorance in it……but wear shoes that won’t tear

 

your feet up! Also….really think about the weight you’re carrying on you and

 

how many miles you’re going to hike. We packed both packs as light as we could,

 

and it still wears on you after you’ve gone 10 miles. Just know what you’re

 

getting yourself into, and be sure it’s your cup of tea. I am so glad I did

 

that hike, but I will never do it again. For me….it’s going to be copter in,

 

copter out from here on out. I’ve learned that’s more my style. Or I might

 

take a horse/mule in. That would be nice too. But I’ve learned that extensive

 

hiking is not for me……and I learned that the hard way. If it were only a 4 or 5

 

mile hike, I’d do it again….but not a 9-10 mile hike one way. Also….the trip

 

was poor planning on our part because we did not

 

spend nearly enough time down there. This is not a trip you take and just

 

spend one night doing. You need a few days down there…..we never even got to

 

see Mooney Falls due to our lack of proper timing. That is my biggest regret.

 

We basically hiked, set up camp, slept, and left. That is not the way to do it.

 

Landrunner….I’m interested to hear your input and words of advice in this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again….aside from the mishaps, it was an unforgettable experience that I cannot

 

wait to do again! My feet are still looking lovely (sarcasm)…..probably scarred

 

for life, and rightfully so. I should have been more prepared. Well, some

 

people have to learn the hard way, and I’m one of them! For all you celebrity

 

buffs out there…..Tom Cruise has been down there and actually swam to some of

 

the hidden caves and such that are there, and Darryl Hannah has been quoted as

 

saying it’s her favorite place in the world to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’d love to hear if any of you out there have ever done this hike, or been down

 

to Supai. (Landrunner excluded…..we all know he’s the master of knowing what to

 

do down there!!) Or if anyone plans on going. Well, it has hooked me for life,

 

I’m eagerly awaiting the next time I can go!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nicole,

 

 

 

How about some photos? Sounds as if you had a great time even with the

 

little problems. Good to hear from you. Are you going to be a part of the

 

BLM Clean Up on the week end of the 18th & 19th? I will be out there with my

 

motor home so please stop by if possible.

 

 

 

James M. Conkle, Executive Director

 

California Route 66 Preservation Foundation

 

P O Box 290066

 

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760-868-3320

 

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-----Original Message-----

 

From: Nicole [mailto:arizona66nms@yahoo.com]

 

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:54 AM

 

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Harpin; Jim St Louis; Colette St Louis; Jeri L Koenig; Sherry Allen;

 

Sean Keidel; April A Cyr; Jackie Rowland

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] My Supai Adventure

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The words that come to mind the most when I think of Supai/Havasu Falls is

 

spectacular, awesome, breathtaking, unbelievable, unbeatable, and simply

 

WOW.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have been to the South Rim numerous times now……I love the Grand Canyon.

 

In fact, that place has squeezed its way to #1 in my book, having to share

 

that spot with Route 66. I have much more exploring time to do up there,

 

and many more days to request off of work in order to enjoy myself in a

 

place that to me, is the most beautiful place I have ever been. The South

 

Rim is awesome……a place where you take family or friends if they’ve never

 

been, a place where you first introduce someone to this great wonder, or a

 

great place to introduce yourself to if you’ve never been. BUT……that Canyon

 

is such a huge majestic place, that an average 4 hour visit to the South Rim

 

is just the tip of the iceberg, the taste before the indulgence. I’ve

 

learned that I really underestimated what that Canyon has to offer. I know

 

even though I’ve now been to (which I will elaborate on shortly) what I deem

 

the most beautiful and magical place I’ve ever seen with my own two eyes,

 

there are still many more

 

places to explore in the Grand Canyon. I found my new hobby: Gathering

 

all the info whether it be books, brochures, word of mouth, educated persons

 

who know more than I do….whatever, the Grand Canyon is where it’s at for me

 

until I can go no further. How lucky I am that I can just drive there in a

 

few hours time. I can be at the west end of the Canyon in only 2 hours. As

 

far as I’m concerned, that certainly is something to brag about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have learned quite a bit already in my last quest to see more of the

 

Canyon. My last adventure was to Supai, and to Havasu Falls. I learned

 

that only 2% of the annual visitors to the Grand Canyon (approximately 5

 

million people) actually see the Falls. When you think of going to the

 

Grand Canyon, most think of driving and looking at it from the top, taking a

 

picture at the entrance next to the big sign that says “Grand Canyon

 

National Park”, then going back to their hotel room for the night. For

 

those of you reading this who have done or relate to only that…..that is

 

just child’s play to what is really there, to what is really inside that big

 

hole you’re looking into. There is an abundance of hidden treasures, gems,

 

and secrets in that place that once you find, you never forget and cannot

 

wait to go back for more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our trek started last Sunday at about 6:30 a.m. My mom and I had a long

 

hike ahead of us, about 10 miles to be exact. I think the most I’ve ever

 

walked at one time, even on a treadmill was 7 miles. But I was convinced it

 

wouldn’t be a problem because it was the “Grand Canyon” and I’d be too busy

 

appreciating where I was at the whole time to realize how far I was hiking.

 

Well, needless to say, I learned a whole lot about things I myself

 

underestimated and had to go through to learn for myself the hard way! The

 

first part of the hike, along the switchback going down into the Canyon was

 

really cool…..except for my hiking shoes that I hadn’t fully broken in, and

 

were a tad snug had already caused open blisters on each of my heels not

 

even a ? mile in. So yes…….be sure you have comfortable footwear if you

 

ever plan on making this hike. Most people already know this, as did I, but

 

I underestimated the terrain and the length of our hike. So having to stop

 

right after getting started

 

to put moleskin on (and later when things got even worse, duct tape over

 

the moleskin) wasn’t the brightest of planning. But that first part was the

 

only time I had any problems hiking in, or any problems with my shoes/feet

 

while hiking. We trekked on, both with our packs and gear (thanks again

 

Elaine!), passing other adventurers either hiking back up, or going in the

 

same direction we were. Everyone you come across down there is so friendly,

 

and the atmosphere amongst all the hikers is really special. Everyone down

 

there knows they are in such a unique and remote place…..when so many other

 

people don’t even know about it. I can still picture the scenery on the

 

hike in……the rock formations, the desert plantlife, mixed in with the green,

 

the huge walls of rock surrounding you. I don’t even know how to begin to

 

explain it, because it’s simply something one must see for themselves. It’s

 

such a huge difference from standing and sightseeing at the South Rim. But

 

you pass other

 

hikers, always with a smile and a hello…….and you get a few more miles

 

closer to your destination, asking the people hiking out “how much further?”

 

thinking they’d already know since they’ve previously hiked in….which I get

 

a laugh out of now because everyone has a different idea of what “only about

 

4 more miles” or “you’re getting there!” is. Don’t trust anyone’s sense of

 

mileage down there……they are wrong! ha ha! I passed one guy who said we

 

had about 4 more miles to go…..another guy just a few minutes later said we

 

were almost there….only about 2 miles. Just know that you have one hell of

 

a hike and there’s no turning back once you get started…..so grin and bear

 

it until you get to the campsite check-in 8 miles later!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So we trek along…….and every so often we pass Canyon dwellers coming back

 

up on horseback, or a native bringing his herd (is “herd” the right word to

 

use for horses? Ha ha!) of horses back up the Canyon to take more people

 

down, or to let them rest for the day. On each side of us was huge rock

 

rising above us so high, we were hugged in the Canyon floor, forced to

 

continue on. One native passing us with his “herd” of horses told my mother

 

he’d give her 100 horses in trade for me. That was all funny funny ha ha

 

until my mom turned around and said “When you get back to Supai, we’ll

 

talk.” Some things never change!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, all was going fine and good, until we were almost to Supai…..and the

 

hike started taking its toll on me. It wasn’t the mileage-it was the weight

 

on my back, my blisters (which when all was said and done…..4 big blisters

 

and a cut on one foot, and 3 blisters and 2 small cuts on the other, so

 

needless to say I will not be doing any foot modeling in the near future)

 

and it didn’t hit me till we hit a small creek. I don’t know what body of

 

water this was….a small river, or creek, or what….but it was wide enough to

 

make us stop and question how to cross it. It was shallow, not even knee

 

high….but it was running rapid and my mom began to question if we were even

 

on the right trail. (I had visions of The Blair Witch Project going

 

through my head when this fiasco started) I remember someone telling me

 

that there is a small bridge you cross before you get to Supai, and we were

 

almost to Supai still not having crossed any bridge but yet coming across

 

water. Well, having stopped in

 

the middle of nowhere…….that was the first mistake. The minute we actually

 

stopped, was the minute I realized I wasn’t in good shape. My feet were

 

beyond killing me, and the weight on my back and the heat of the late

 

morning all slapped me in the face. The events that took place were all

 

downhill from there until we actually made it past the falls to our

 

campsite, still having to hike about 3 more miles to even get there. My mom

 

didn’t think I should or could cross this body of water with the pack on me,

 

thinking I’d be swept off of my feet….and me disputing this saying I could

 

do it because it was so shallow, and that I just wanted to take my shoes off

 

first. Which I ended up doing……as she left demanding to take the big pack

 

which had the tent and other mandatory camping items (which I was carrying)

 

before I did so, because she was going to find an alternate route over this

 

water and if I was going to be swept downstream (like she was convinced I

 

was going to be), she wanted

 

her tent. (Can you fell the love now?) So I took my shoes off, put on the

 

water shoes, grabbed the lighter pack….and stubbornly continued to cross the

 

water as she took off in the opposite direction to find the bridge.

 

Crossing this water was a cinch…..and that crystal clear water felt so good

 

on my mutilated feet, I could of stood there for hours. By this time I was

 

now alone, hot, extremely mad, in pain all over, and wanting to quit all

 

this damned hiking. This is where my pace really slowed down, having

 

covered about 7 miles already……I was moaning and groaning, swearing, way too

 

hot, slugging along at an embarrassingly slow pace, and where I was at was

 

temporarily not being appreciated whatsoever because I had problems to

 

contend with. Now that I look back on it…..I was probably just flat out

 

pathetic!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I finally reach Supai……I was in such bad shape at this point that I didn’t

 

care who saw me or what they thought…..I was way too mad, too hot, and too

 

sore to care. If anyone has ever been in a situation like this when hiking,

 

you feel my pain. Once I reached the village, I didn’t know where I was

 

going and I just saw some houses scattered, with the natives minding their

 

own business (probably having seen one too many unprepared moron hikers like

 

myself wandering through their property) walking along, or kids playing in

 

the nearby water. I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone…..because here I

 

was walking, in obvious pain, alone, in the abyss of “middle of nowhere” at

 

the bottom of the Grand Canyon and noone acknowledged me at all….they just

 

passed me without even looking twice at me. I had to stop and ask some kids

 

who were playing in the water, where the village “cafe” was……and each one

 

told me a different direction (which confirmed my thoughts of Twilight

 

Zone)…….and I trekked

 

on actually dropping my bag temporarily feeling like I couldn’t go much

 

further. I look back now and realize I was being just a tad dramatic and

 

was more angry than anything else due to my lack of being prepared with the

 

shoe situation. It was my feet that rained on my parade. I kept the water

 

shoes on from the time I crossed the creek/river. There was no way I could

 

put my shoes back on. So as I am wandering through Supai, I finally stumble

 

across a building in which I thought was just another house, that had a sign

 

for the camping check-in. I was so happy……I stumbled in there, dirty,

 

panting, hot, and just wanting to get off of my feet, and the weight of the

 

pack off of my back. But I must say……I was there waiting for at least 15

 

minutes before my mom walked through the door! No…it’s not a competition, I

 

just had to make that known. He he! But she did end up taking the

 

“correct” way and actually found the bridge…..I don’t even know how I found

 

my way into town at the

 

rate I was going. I just slumped in a chair and waited for her to get

 

there. I had had it…..I was done with this hike, but yet I couldn’t be. I

 

still had almost 2 miles to go to get to the campsite! There was no phone I

 

could use to call a friend, there was no car waiting outside……I had no

 

choice but to get up and hike 2 more miles. Such drama.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of this hike I was going at a great pace, with my mom trailing behind

 

me on the way in. Now it was the complete opposite…..she was way ahead of

 

me, and at this point I had pathetically began to moan and groan the whole

 

way……in utter pain and agony, all because of my blasted FEET. If it weren’t

 

for my messing up my feet, I could of hiked on forever. It was this measly

 

2 mile hike to the campsite that did me in….that was the worst part. I’ll

 

spare you the annoying pathetic details because I’m sure you already get the

 

point. I was not the most pleasant to be with at this time…..and my mom

 

kept ahead of me ignoring my moans of pain and cries of frustration. We had

 

planned on hiking out the next day……and now that was definitely not going to

 

happen. There were a couple of guys hiking up passing me who saw me

 

struggling the way I was (basically having a little tantrum) and one had

 

offered to carry me to the campsite which at this point wasn’t far away at

 

all……and I sarcastically

 

told him I’d pay him $1000 (that I didn’t have) if he would do so. He told

 

me to not worry…..it’s just around the corner. Well “just around the

 

corner” when you’re down in the Grand Canyon is another term for ANOTHER

 

MILE AND A HALF. Well, when we finally pass this “corner” you suddenly

 

(yes….the story brightens back up from here folks) hear this amazing

 

roar….of Havasu Falls. In all my angst…….I had to swallow my pride, stop my

 

crying and moaning and actually go “ohhhh myyyyy godddddd” as I first laid

 

eyes on those falls. There are no words, no pictures, no anything that

 

could ever describe what I was looking at and what it did to me. It’s

 

simply something you have to see for yourself. But I will say I have never

 

seen anything so beautiful, and so majestic, and so moving in my entire

 

life. The scenery in that whole area is like something from a

 

storybook…….the Grand Canyon is beyond beautiful no matter where you go, but

 

this…..this was a whole other story. A true gem of

 

heaven like nothing you’ve ever seen in your life no matter where your

 

travels in life may have taken you. (I’d be willing to bet anyway) So we

 

finally set up camp……or should I say my mom did most of that while I sat at

 

a picnic table peeling duct tape and moleskin off of my feet almost afraid

 

to look at the damage underneath. (Pleasant picture, huh?) The minute

 

those water shoes, duct tape, and moleskin came off of my feet…..I went

 

barefoot the rest of the time. And when I mean the rest of the time…..I

 

mean the rest of the time. On our almost 2 mile hike back to the village

 

the next morning, I did that barefoot……but lucky for me it’s mostly sand. I

 

could not put on shoes to save my life. When we took the copter out the

 

next day……I walked up to the helicopter pad in a pair of hiking socks. Oh

 

yeah…..all the people down in Supai and at the campground saw me at my best.

 

Geez…..good thing you never do see some people again in your life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So once camp was set up……we walked back up to Havasu Falls, which wasn’t far

 

at all from our campsite…..I slowly walked it barefoot with no problem.

 

Sometimes it doesn’t pay to live in 120 degree weather, because most people

 

were swimming in the crystal clear blue water and I thought it was way too

 

cold. I’m now used to having to have much more severe heat to feel it’s

 

warm enough to get into water to swim. I finally got in, mainly to soothe

 

my feet….and only got in about waist high. My mom was swimming around in it

 

with no problems at all…..I envied her. Again…..being down in there at the

 

falls was so good for the soul…..so relaxing, so amazing. You can’t take

 

your eyes off of it once you’re down there. Like I said before….it really

 

is something from a storybook. A perfect place to take a significant other,

 

it’s so romantic. And poor Kevin, he’s always so patient with me when I

 

always beg him to come along on my last minute road trips and quirky

 

stops….I really think he’s

 

gonna give me credit this time when we go down to the falls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We fell asleep in our tent that night right along the river….the run-off

 

from the falls, the sounds of the rushing water…..put me right to sleep and

 

was heaven to wake up to. Our hike out that morning wasn’t so bad…..I had

 

slept almost 10 hours, I was whipped. So I was well rested, and was fine

 

aside from….you guessed it, my feet. So I hiked it barefoot to Supai where

 

we shortly thereafter hopped in the helicopter to our 8 minute ride to the

 

top. I got front row seat next to the pilot and again…..no words to

 

describe that either, unless you’ve done it, or do it for yourself. That

 

ride was so awesome!!! I can’t wait to do it again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve learned a few things, and am going to share them with you all in case

 

you do plan a big adventure like this one, and have never done so before.

 

The first one is obvious, and excuse my ignorance in it……but wear shoes that

 

won’t tear your feet up! Also….really think about the weight you’re

 

carrying on you and how many miles you’re going to hike. We packed both

 

packs as light as we could, and it still wears on you after you’ve gone 10

 

miles. Just know what you’re getting yourself into, and be sure it’s your

 

cup of tea. I am so glad I did that hike, but I will never do it again.

 

For me….it’s going to be copter in, copter out from here on out. I’ve

 

learned that’s more my style. Or I might take a horse/mule in. That would

 

be nice too. But I’ve learned that extensive hiking is not for me……and I

 

learned that the hard way. If it were only a 4 or 5 mile hike, I’d do it

 

again….but not a 9-10 mile hike one way. Also….the trip was poor planning

 

on our part because we did not

 

spend nearly enough time down there. This is not a trip you take and just

 

spend one night doing. You need a few days down there…..we never even got

 

to see Mooney Falls due to our lack of proper timing. That is my biggest

 

regret. We basically hiked, set up camp, slept, and left. That is not the

 

way to do it. Landrunner….I’m interested to hear your input and words of

 

advice in this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again….aside from the mishaps, it was an unforgettable experience that I

 

cannot wait to do again! My feet are still looking lovely

 

(sarcasm)…..probably scarred for life, and rightfully so. I should have

 

been more prepared. Well, some people have to learn the hard way, and I’m

 

one of them! For all you celebrity buffs out there…..Tom Cruise has been

 

down there and actually swam to some of the hidden caves and such that are

 

there, and Darryl Hannah has been quoted as saying it’s her favorite place

 

in the world to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’d love to hear if any of you out there have ever done this hike, or been

 

down to Supai. (Landrunner excluded…..we all know he’s the master of

 

knowing what to do down there!!) Or if anyone plans on going. Well, it has

 

hooked me for life, I’m eagerly awaiting the next time I can go!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest B Worley

WOW Nicole, thanks for the story! I printed it out, and read it over lunch.

 

 

 

Someday I'm gonna take that trip - maybe summer 2004 with my son for a high

 

school graduation trip with ol' Dad. By your account, I better get back in

 

the gym starting NOW!

 

 

 

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That "maybe" trip to Phoenix is now on so I'll probably have another

 

2 or 3 days to roam and am looking for suggestions or comments.

 

 

 

Ken, at the end of the Triangle Fish run, you hinted at "Blue" but it

 

had an if about an SUV in it. No SUV - just a rental car - so maybe

 

that's not a choice. Curious to know what it is, though. Plus, I'm

 

guessing you've got a couple of other Arizona routes up your sleeve.

 

 

 

I've never been south of Phoenix so have thought of Tucson +

 

Tombstone. Another thought of mine is Route 66 through Oatman with a

 

time dependent option of getting to Goffs. The amount of time

 

available depends on how quickly success (or stonewall failure:-)

 

comes on the job so a real plan will only appear at the last minute.

 

 

 

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Hi Jim-

 

 

 

Yes, we did take some pics.....my mom will be sending the duplicates out to me

 

as soon as she gets them. I'll be sure to post some of them. The pictures will

 

be awesome....but still won't do justice as to how beautiful it really is there.

 

She took a picture of my feet after we got back too....geez, wonder if I should

 

post that one? That picture could be a good warning of "things to not do" while

 

hiking....."Do not wear shoes that are too small or not broken in." Geez, I

 

can't stress enough how important that is. Although don't worry.....I'll spare

 

you having to view the sights of that picture!

 

 

 

Also, I don't know about the Clean Up....this is the first I've heard of it.

 

Where is it going to be at and where is everyone meeting??

 

 

 

Nicole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Nici!

 

 

 

Landrunner excluded, huh? Next Route 66 Crew Grand Canyon Adventure

 

will happen next July. Exact date to be set. Full moon preferrable:

 

<http://home.earthlink.net/~thelandrunner66>

 

 

 

God Bless 'Till Then.

 

 

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, Nicole <arizona66nms@y...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi all-

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The words that come to mind the most when I think of Supai/Havasu

 

Falls is spectacular, awesome, breathtaking, unbelievable,

 

unbeatable, and simply WOW.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I have been to the South Rim numerous times now……I love the Grand

 

Canyon. In fact, that place has squeezed its way to #1 in my book,

 

having to share that spot with Route 66. I have much more exploring

 

time to do up there, and many more days to request off of work in

 

order to enjoy myself in a place that to me, is the most beautiful

 

place I have ever been. The South Rim is awesome……a place where you

 

take family or friends if they've never been, a place where you first

 

introduce someone to this great wonder, or a great place to introduce

 

yourself to if you've never been. BUT……that Canyon is such a huge

 

majestic place, that an average 4 hour visit to the South Rim is just

 

the tip of the iceberg, the taste before the indulgence. I've

 

learned that I really underestimated what that Canyon has to offer.

 

I know even though I've now been to (which I will elaborate on

 

shortly) what I deem the most beautiful and magical place I've ever

 

seen with my own two eyes, there are still many more

 

> places to explore in the Grand Canyon. I found my new hobby:

 

Gathering all the info whether it be books, brochures, word of mouth,

 

educated persons who know more than I do….whatever, the Grand Canyon

 

is where it's at for me until I can go no further. How lucky I am

 

that I can just drive there in a few hours time. I can be at the

 

west end of the Canyon in only 2 hours. As far as I'm concerned,

 

that certainly is something to brag about.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I have learned quite a bit already in my last quest to see more of

 

the Canyon. My last adventure was to Supai, and to Havasu Falls. I

 

learned that only 2% of the annual visitors to the Grand Canyon

 

(approximately 5 million people) actually see the Falls. When you

 

think of going to the Grand Canyon, most think of driving and looking

 

at it from the top, taking a picture at the entrance next to the big

 

sign that says "Grand Canyon National Park", then going back to their

 

hotel room for the night. For those of you reading this who have

 

done or relate to only that…..that is just child's play to what is

 

really there, to what is really inside that big hole you're looking

 

into. There is an abundance of hidden treasures, gems, and secrets

 

in that place that once you find, you never forget and cannot wait to

 

go back for more.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Our trek started last Sunday at about 6:30 a.m. My mom and I had a

 

long hike ahead of us, about 10 miles to be exact. I think the most

 

I've ever walked at one time, even on a treadmill was 7 miles. But I

 

was convinced it wouldn't be a problem because it was the "Grand

 

Canyon" and I'd be too busy appreciating where I was at the whole

 

time to realize how far I was hiking. Well, needless to say, I

 

learned a whole lot about things I myself underestimated and had to

 

go through to learn for myself the hard way! The first part of the

 

hike, along the switchback going down into the Canyon was really

 

cool…..except for my hiking shoes that I hadn't fully broken in, and

 

were a tad snug had already caused open blisters on each of my heels

 

not even a ? mile in. So yes…….be sure you have comfortable footwear

 

if you ever plan on making this hike. Most people already know this,

 

as did I, but I underestimated the terrain and the length of our

 

hike. So having to stop right after getting started

 

> to put moleskin on (and later when things got even worse, duct

 

tape over the moleskin) wasn't the brightest of planning. But that

 

first part was the only time I had any problems hiking in, or any

 

problems with my shoes/feet while hiking. We trekked on, both with

 

our packs and gear (thanks again Elaine!), passing other adventurers

 

either hiking back up, or going in the same direction we were.

 

Everyone you come across down there is so friendly, and the

 

atmosphere amongst all the hikers is really special. Everyone down

 

there knows they are in such a unique and remote place…..when so many

 

other people don't even know about it. I can still picture the

 

scenery on the hike in……the rock formations, the desert plantlife,

 

mixed in with the green, the huge walls of rock surrounding you. I

 

don't even know how to begin to explain it, because it's simply

 

something one must see for themselves. It's such a huge difference

 

from standing and sightseeing at the South Rim. But you pass other

 

> hikers, always with a smile and a hello…….and you get a few more

 

miles closer to your destination, asking the people hiking out "how

 

much further?" thinking they'd already know since they've previously

 

hiked in….which I get a laugh out of now because everyone has a

 

different idea of what "only about 4 more miles" or "you're getting

 

there!" is. Don't trust anyone's sense of mileage down there……they

 

are wrong! ha ha! I passed one guy who said we had about 4 more

 

miles to go…..another guy just a few minutes later said we were

 

almost there….only about 2 miles. Just know that you have one hell

 

of a hike and there's no turning back once you get started…..so grin

 

and bear it until you get to the campsite check-in 8 miles later!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> So we trek along…….and every so often we pass Canyon dwellers

 

coming back up on horseback, or a native bringing his herd (is "herd"

 

the right word to use for horses? Ha ha!) of horses back up the

 

Canyon to take more people down, or to let them rest for the day. On

 

each side of us was huge rock rising above us so high, we were hugged

 

in the Canyon floor, forced to continue on. One native passing us

 

with his "herd" of horses told my mother he'd give her 100 horses in

 

trade for me. That was all funny funny ha ha until my mom turned

 

around and said "When you get back to Supai, we'll talk." Some

 

things never change!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Well, all was going fine and good, until we were almost to

 

Supai…..and the hike started taking its toll on me. It wasn't the

 

mileage-it was the weight on my back, my blisters (which when all was

 

said and done…..4 big blisters and a cut on one foot, and 3 blisters

 

and 2 small cuts on the other, so needless to say I will not be doing

 

any foot modeling in the near future) and it didn't hit me till we

 

hit a small creek. I don't know what body of water this was….a small

 

river, or creek, or what….but it was wide enough to make us stop and

 

question how to cross it. It was shallow, not even knee high….but it

 

was running rapid and my mom began to question if we were even on the

 

right trail. (I had visions of The Blair Witch Project going

 

through my head when this fiasco started) I remember someone telling

 

me that there is a small bridge you cross before you get to Supai,

 

and we were almost to Supai still not having crossed any bridge but

 

yet coming across water. Well, having stopped in

 

> the middle of nowhere…….that was the first mistake. The minute we

 

actually stopped, was the minute I realized I wasn't in good shape.

 

My feet were beyond killing me, and the weight on my back and the

 

heat of the late morning all slapped me in the face. The events that

 

took place were all downhill from there until we actually made it

 

past the falls to our campsite, still having to hike about 3 more

 

miles to even get there. My mom didn't think I should or could cross

 

this body of water with the pack on me, thinking I'd be swept off of

 

my feet….and me disputing this saying I could do it because it was so

 

shallow, and that I just wanted to take my shoes off first. Which I

 

ended up doing……as she left demanding to take the big pack which had

 

the tent and other mandatory camping items (which I was carrying)

 

before I did so, because she was going to find an alternate route

 

over this water and if I was going to be swept downstream (like she

 

was convinced I was going to be), she wanted

 

> her tent. (Can you fell the love now?) So I took my shoes off,

 

put on the water shoes, grabbed the lighter pack….and stubbornly

 

continued to cross the water as she took off in the opposite

 

direction to find the bridge. Crossing this water was a cinch…..and

 

that crystal clear water felt so good on my mutilated feet, I could

 

of stood there for hours. By this time I was now alone, hot,

 

extremely mad, in pain all over, and wanting to quit all this damned

 

hiking. This is where my pace really slowed down, having covered

 

about 7 miles already……I was moaning and groaning, swearing, way too

 

hot, slugging along at an embarrassingly slow pace, and where I was

 

at was temporarily not being appreciated whatsoever because I had

 

problems to contend with. Now that I look back on it…..I was

 

probably just flat out pathetic!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I finally reach Supai……I was in such bad shape at this point that I

 

didn't care who saw me or what they thought…..I was way too mad, too

 

hot, and too sore to care. If anyone has ever been in a situation

 

like this when hiking, you feel my pain. Once I reached the village,

 

I didn't know where I was going and I just saw some houses scattered,

 

with the natives minding their own business (probably having seen one

 

too many unprepared moron hikers like myself wandering through their

 

property) walking along, or kids playing in the nearby water. I felt

 

like I was in the Twilight Zone…..because here I was walking, in

 

obvious pain, alone, in the abyss of "middle of nowhere" at the

 

bottom of the Grand Canyon and noone acknowledged me at all….they

 

just passed me without even looking twice at me. I had to stop and

 

ask some kids who were playing in the water, where the village "cafe"

 

was……and each one told me a different direction (which confirmed my

 

thoughts of Twilight Zone)…….and I trekked

 

> on actually dropping my bag temporarily feeling like I couldn't go

 

much further. I look back now and realize I was being just a tad

 

dramatic and was more angry than anything else due to my lack of

 

being prepared with the shoe situation. It was my feet that rained

 

on my parade. I kept the water shoes on from the time I crossed the

 

creek/river. There was no way I could put my shoes back on. So as I

 

am wandering through Supai, I finally stumble across a building in

 

which I thought was just another house, that had a sign for the

 

camping check-in. I was so happy……I stumbled in there, dirty,

 

panting, hot, and just wanting to get off of my feet, and the weight

 

of the pack off of my back. But I must say……I was there waiting for

 

at least 15 minutes before my mom walked through the door! No…it's

 

not a competition, I just had to make that known. He he! But she

 

did end up taking the "correct" way and actually found the bridge…..I

 

don't even know how I found my way into town at the

 

> rate I was going. I just slumped in a chair and waited for her to

 

get there. I had had it…..I was done with this hike, but yet I

 

couldn't be. I still had almost 2 miles to go to get to the

 

campsite! There was no phone I could use to call a friend, there was

 

no car waiting outside……I had no choice but to get up and hike 2 more

 

miles. Such drama.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Most of this hike I was going at a great pace, with my mom trailing

 

behind me on the way in. Now it was the complete opposite…..she was

 

way ahead of me, and at this point I had pathetically began to moan

 

and groan the whole way……in utter pain and agony, all because of my

 

blasted FEET. If it weren't for my messing up my feet, I could of

 

hiked on forever. It was this measly 2 mile hike to the campsite

 

that did me in….that was the worst part. I'll spare you the annoying

 

pathetic details because I'm sure you already get the point. I was

 

not the most pleasant to be with at this time…..and my mom kept ahead

 

of me ignoring my moans of pain and cries of frustration. We had

 

planned on hiking out the next day……and now that was definitely not

 

going to happen. There were a couple of guys hiking up passing me

 

who saw me struggling the way I was (basically having a little

 

tantrum) and one had offered to carry me to the campsite which at

 

this point wasn't far away at all……and I sarcastically

 

> told him I'd pay him $1000 (that I didn't have) if he would do

 

so. He told me to not worry…..it's just around the corner.

 

Well "just around the corner" when you're down in the Grand Canyon is

 

another term for ANOTHER MILE AND A HALF. Well, when we finally pass

 

this "corner" you suddenly (yes….the story brightens back up from

 

here folks) hear this amazing roar….of Havasu Falls. In all my

 

angst…….I had to swallow my pride, stop my crying and moaning and

 

actually go "ohhhh myyyyy godddddd" as I first laid eyes on those

 

falls. There are no words, no pictures, no anything that could ever

 

describe what I was looking at and what it did to me. It's simply

 

something you have to see for yourself. But I will say I have never

 

seen anything so beautiful, and so majestic, and so moving in my

 

entire life. The scenery in that whole area is like something from a

 

storybook…….the Grand Canyon is beyond beautiful no matter where you

 

go, but this…..this was a whole other story. A true gem of

 

> heaven like nothing you've ever seen in your life no matter where

 

your travels in life may have taken you. (I'd be willing to bet

 

anyway) So we finally set up camp……or should I say my mom did most

 

of that while I sat at a picnic table peeling duct tape and moleskin

 

off of my feet almost afraid to look at the damage underneath.

 

(Pleasant picture, huh?) The minute those water shoes, duct tape,

 

and moleskin came off of my feet…..I went barefoot the rest of the

 

time. And when I mean the rest of the time…..I mean the rest of the

 

time. On our almost 2 mile hike back to the village the next

 

morning, I did that barefoot……but lucky for me it's mostly sand. I

 

could not put on shoes to save my life. When we took the copter out

 

the next day……I walked up to the helicopter pad in a pair of hiking

 

socks. Oh yeah…..all the people down in Supai and at the campground

 

saw me at my best. Geez…..good thing you never do see some people

 

again in your life.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> So once camp was set up……we walked back up to Havasu Falls, which

 

wasn't far at all from our campsite…..I slowly walked it barefoot

 

with no problem. Sometimes it doesn't pay to live in 120 degree

 

weather, because most people were swimming in the crystal clear blue

 

water and I thought it was way too cold. I'm now used to having to

 

have much more severe heat to feel it's warm enough to get into water

 

to swim. I finally got in, mainly to soothe my feet….and only got in

 

about waist high. My mom was swimming around in it with no problems

 

at all…..I envied her. Again…..being down in there at the falls was

 

so good for the soul…..so relaxing, so amazing. You can't take your

 

eyes off of it once you're down there. Like I said before….it really

 

is something from a storybook. A perfect place to take a significant

 

other, it's so romantic. And poor Kevin, he's always so patient with

 

me when I always beg him to come along on my last minute road trips

 

and quirky stops….I really think he's

 

> gonna give me credit this time when we go down to the falls.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> We fell asleep in our tent that night right along the river….the

 

run-off from the falls, the sounds of the rushing water…..put me

 

right to sleep and was heaven to wake up to. Our hike out that

 

morning wasn't so bad…..I had slept almost 10 hours, I was whipped.

 

So I was well rested, and was fine aside from….you guessed it, my

 

feet. So I hiked it barefoot to Supai where we shortly thereafter

 

hopped in the helicopter to our 8 minute ride to the top. I got

 

front row seat next to the pilot and again…..no words to describe

 

that either, unless you've done it, or do it for yourself. That ride

 

was so awesome!!! I can't wait to do it again.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I've learned a few things, and am going to share them with you all

 

in case you do plan a big adventure like this one, and have never

 

done so before. The first one is obvious, and excuse my ignorance in

 

it……but wear shoes that won't tear your feet up! Also….really think

 

about the weight you're carrying on you and how many miles you're

 

going to hike. We packed both packs as light as we could, and it

 

still wears on you after you've gone 10 miles. Just know what you're

 

getting yourself into, and be sure it's your cup of tea. I am so

 

glad I did that hike, but I will never do it again. For me….it's

 

going to be copter in, copter out from here on out. I've learned

 

that's more my style. Or I might take a horse/mule in. That would

 

be nice too. But I've learned that extensive hiking is not for me……

 

and I learned that the hard way. If it were only a 4 or 5 mile hike,

 

I'd do it again….but not a 9-10 mile hike one way. Also….the trip

 

was poor planning on our part because we did not

 

> spend nearly enough time down there. This is not a trip you take

 

and just spend one night doing. You need a few days down there…..we

 

never even got to see Mooney Falls due to our lack of proper timing.

 

That is my biggest regret. We basically hiked, set up camp, slept,

 

and left. That is not the way to do it. Landrunner….I'm interested

 

to hear your input and words of advice in this.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Again….aside from the mishaps, it was an unforgettable experience

 

that I cannot wait to do again! My feet are still looking lovely

 

(sarcasm)…..probably scarred for life, and rightfully so. I should

 

have been more prepared. Well, some people have to learn the hard

 

way, and I'm one of them! For all you celebrity buffs out

 

there…..Tom Cruise has been down there and actually swam to some of

 

the hidden caves and such that are there, and Darryl Hannah has been

 

quoted as saying it's her favorite place in the world to be.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I'd love to hear if any of you out there have ever done this hike,

 

or been down to Supai. (Landrunner excluded…..we all know he's the

 

master of knowing what to do down there!!) Or if anyone plans on

 

going. Well, it has hooked me for life, I'm eagerly awaiting the

 

next time I can go!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Nicole

 

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Greetings Denny,

 

 

 

No high clearance on vehicle, no blue road to Blue. There are no

 

bridges, which will require stream/river crossings.

 

 

 

Only 2-3 days Tri-Loop? Hmmmm. From Phoenix? Hmmmm.... Q:)

 

Done US 80 at all? How about the US60 loop west of Phoenix like I

 

suggested the first time. This time, stop in those towns, meet folks,

 

hear a story, get a postmark, take some pics, head back east to

 

Phoenix before the sun goes down.

 

 

 

Ken

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <mail@d...>

 

wrote:

 

> That "maybe" trip to Phoenix is now on so I'll probably have

 

another

 

> 2 or 3 days to roam and am looking for suggestions or comments.

 

>

 

> Ken, at the end of the Triangle Fish run, you hinted at "Blue" but

 

it

 

> had an if about an SUV in it. No SUV - just a rental car - so maybe

 

> that's not a choice. Curious to know what it is, though. Plus, I'm

 

> guessing you've got a couple of other Arizona routes up your sleeve.

 

>

 

> I've never been south of Phoenix so have thought of Tucson +

 

> Tombstone. Another thought of mine is Route 66 through Oatman with

 

a

 

> time dependent option of getting to Goffs. The amount of time

 

> available depends on how quickly success (or stonewall failure:-)

 

> comes on the job so a real plan will only appear at the last minute.

 

>

 

> Thoughts appreciated,

 

> Denny Gibson

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com

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Ahhhh, speed limits.......

 

 

 

I remember the days when I was touring with various rock 'n roll acts as an

 

opening act.

 

I preferred to drive instead of fly. At one point I had an apartment in San

 

Francisco ($150 per-month...try and find that these days!) and my ranch in

 

Kansas. Needless to say, it was a long "commute" down the "northern route". But

 

that beautiful stretch of highway called Nevada was a roadhammers delight. Ya

 

see, kids, the speed limit was "reasonable and proper".....which, translated,

 

meant...you could go as-fast-as-you-wanted. I had a rare 142E turbo Volvo at

 

that time which topped out at 145mph and I pushed that baby hard for 120,000

 

miles. Needless to say, you needed GREAT tires. The weirdest part was when you

 

hit

 

the little towns and the speed was 20-25mph. Driving at such high speeds, one

 

tends to become "velocitized"....ie... going 20-25 mph felt like you were in

 

a "slow-motion dream state". You wanted to open the door and put your foot out

 

and push the car forward. But, brothers and sisters of the road, if you broke

 

the speed limit by one-mile-per-hour....there was a welcoming committee there

 

to greet you and stamp your license..."BUSTED! For speeding".......

 

 

 

Regarding "stoning with chunks of Portland cememt"......that's a 12th

 

century, overly-harsh, old-world form of reprimand. This is a new world...let's

 

be

 

21st century about this issue...how about something like ...you'll be forced to

 

eat 12 dozen Krispy Kremes before you have to sit down in front of a 72 ounce

 

t-bone at The Great Texas Steak House? At least you'll die with a smile on

 

your face. Pass me the napkins....

 

 

 

You 'all have a nice day.....

 

 

 

My Best,

 

 

 

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Howdy....

 

 

 

Be SURE to have breakfast at "Smokey Joe's" in Williams......great black-top,

 

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and GIANT pancakes.....

 

 

 

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Nevada does still tend to have higher speed limits. For example, 2 lane US 95

 

has a 70 mph limit in many parts. You don't see that often on a 2 laner.

 

 

 

But Nevada has many more people and much more traffic now, so Chet's "welcoming

 

committee" is a more common sight. US 50 is still a wonderful drive anytime!

 

 

 

 

 

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-- Chetnichols@aol.com wrote:

 

Ahhhh, speed limits.......

 

 

 

that beautiful stretch of highway called Nevada was a roadhammers delight. Ya

 

see, kids, the speed limit was "reasonable and proper".....which, translated,

 

meant...you could go as-fast-as-you-wanted. I had a rare 142E turbo Volvo at

 

that time which topped out at 145mph and I pushed that baby hard for 120,000

 

miles. Needless to say, you needed GREAT tires. The weirdest part was when you

 

hit

 

the little towns and the speed was 20-25mph. Driving at such high speeds, one

 

tends to become "velocitized"....ie... going 20-25 mph felt like you were in a

 

"slow-motion dream state". You wanted to open the door and put your foot out and

 

push the car forward. But, brothers and sisters of the road, if you broke the

 

speed limit by one-mile-per-hour....there was a welcoming committee there to

 

greet you and stamp your license..."BUSTED! For speeding".......

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Everybody,

 

 

 

Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions from personal experience

 

on clean, reasonable, yet interesting lodging in the

 

Flagstaff/Williiams area. I normally enjoy doing my own scouting,

 

but since the family is coming along, I hate to take chances.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mistercopacetic

 

Tucson AZ USA

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It seems that once you cross over the "big river"

 

heading west, speed limits become more realistic.

 

Having driven thru Iowa, South Dakota, Montana and

 

with my daughter driving, Nebraska, I discovered most

 

two lane roads are posted at either 65 or 70, with the

 

interstate being 70 or 75.

 

 

 

My daughter and I did discover, at 5am on a very

 

dark U S 83 south of Valentine, NB, there are hazards

 

out there. Such things as 4 legged critters, like the

 

half dozen or so cows we encountered trucking north

 

toward Valentine in the south bound lane!!! At least

 

they could have had the decency to stay in thier own

 

lane. In case you're wondering, yes, we did slow down

 

to a crawl and did not end our trip on the back of a

 

ramp truck.

 

 

 

It is rather a let down to come across the

 

Mississippi River headed east and run into the archaic

 

(to me) 65 mph speed limits - tho there are a few

 

states on this side, such as TN and WV, who have 70mph

 

speed limits. Again, a word of caution. Beware, in

 

TN, of the unmarked state troopers - when I was there

 

2 years ago they were using white cars, but that may

 

have changed.

 

 

 

Have a good one and safe traveling.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

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> Nevada does still tend to have higher speed limits.

 

> For example, 2 lane US 95 has a 70 mph limit in many

 

> parts. You don't see that often on a 2 laner.

 

>

 

> But Nevada has many more people and much more

 

> traffic now, so Chet's "welcoming committee" is a

 

> more common sight. US 50 is still a wonderful drive

 

> anytime!

 

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> you broke the speed limit by

 

> one-mile-per-hour....there was a welcoming committee

 

> there to greet you and stamp your license..."BUSTED!

 

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Oh man, I have been waiting 6 months to do this....

 

 

 

ANNOUNCING A NEW DRIVE-IN MOVIE THEATER being built in north Texas!

 

 

 

If you've driven on I-45 south of Dallas near Ennis no doubt you've seen it

 

(that means you, McJerry...) Now that the screens are going up there is no

 

hiding what is going in out there ;))

 

 

 

The owners (who wish to remain anonymous for now) contacted me back in the

 

summer about the build and I have been documenting the progress in pictures.

 

I will also be building their web site, assisting with design and

 

construction of the marquee tower, and helping with construction of

 

projections and concessions buildings. Now for the details:

 

 

 

Location: the site is near the tiny town of Garrett, Texas, just north of

 

Ennis on Interstate 45 at exit 255. From Dallas go 20.5 miles south of the

 

I-20 & I-45 interchange, at exit 255 for FM 879. (there is a map on the page

 

linked below).

 

 

 

Name: The drive-in name will won't be announced until the web site and other

 

P.R. material is ready.

 

 

 

Description: They are building THREE screens. The fields are already ramped,

 

and the screen poles and framework are done. The metal screen material arrive

 

within a few weeks.

 

 

 

Screen 1 will have parking for about 250 cars, Dolby stereo and a changeover

 

booth and platter, so they can get classic prints like American Graffiti on

 

occasion. Screens 2 & 3 will share a projection booth, will have FM-projected

 

DTS sound. Screen 2 will hold about 500 cars and screen 3 will park about

 

300.

 

 

 

And this is just phase 1, soon they will be adding more outdoor screens and

 

also a multi screen indoor.

 

 

 

For an album of pictures and descriptions please click to:

 

 

 

http://www.worleyworld.com/gallery/Texas-Drive-ins

 

 

 

Thank ya ~ :)) :)) I'm so excited!

 

 

 

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-------Original Message-------

 

 

 

From: Fran

 

Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:56:33 PM

 

To: virtualroute66@yahoogroups.com; Virgie; Tommy and Glenda; Skip; Shellee;

 

route66@yahoogroups.com; Ramona and Bob; Mark; Margaret_O'neill; Lulu; Lance

 

and Krista; Kip and Quinn; Kent and Mary Sue; Ken; Karen; Jim; Jeff; Jane;

 

Fred; Diane; Carolyn

 

 

 

 

 

Route 66ers and Fellow Roadies,

 

It is with sad and heavy heart that I must tell you of the passing of an old

 

and dear friend. Pauline Roberts Armstrong left us early this morning after

 

a brave fight to overcome a stroke and kidney failure. She has been

 

owner/operator of the Wagon Wheel Motel in Cuba since 1966. She will be

 

sadly missed by all who knew her. Please remember her and her family in

 

your prayers. Sympathy cards can be sent to:

 

The Pauline Armstrong Family

 

c/o Wagon Wheel Motel

 

Route 66

 

Cuba, MO. 65453

 

 

 

Fran in Cuba

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Guest Alex Burr

TJ,.

 

 

 

Actually, as I sit here watching the snow come down,

 

I'd have to almost say that Maine approaches Paradise

 

for maybe, oh, three, four, maybe five "days" a year.

 

LOL But there must be something here - everybody

 

wants to move here - and is doing it.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- shunpiker15 <shunpiker15@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

> Oh, I forgot to mention that Waldoboro (Maine) --

 

> cited in my post of

 

> four hours previous -- should be pronounced

 

> "Valdoboro," since it was

 

> settled by Germans. Who, before leaving their

 

> homeland, were told by

 

> the guy that sold them the deed to their piece of

 

> America, that they

 

> could move to Paradise. As Alex surely knows, Maine

 

> approaches

 

> Paradise for what? Three, four, maybe five months a

 

> year? It is

 

> otherwise downright COLD.

 

>

 

> Or, as Mainers see it, there are two seasons in

 

> Maine. Winter and

 

> July.

 

>

 

> Anyway, the denizens of Waldoboro have made the best

 

> of it. It is a

 

> beautiful place.

 

>

 

> Thanks, everyone.

 

>

 

> TJ

 

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Alex, my new friend, it looks like you'll be watching the snow come

 

down for awhile. The system has intensified, and you may get another

 

24-30 hours' worth.

 

 

 

I have about 12". (That is, uh, a reference to the amount of snowfall

 

here.)

 

 

 

The only time I ever experienced "whiteout" was in Maine. On US 1

 

near Lincolnville. Had to pull over and wait it out. It was at once

 

exciting and frightening.

 

 

 

The backroading I shall do this weekend is of the armchair kind.

 

 

 

Cheers, TJ

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I've posted to both Route 66 groups to which I am member, but I felt

 

that this needed posted here as well. I apologize to everyone who

 

gets this two or three (or more) times!

 

 

 

Recently, the members of the Board of Trustees of the Southwest

 

Museum (www.southwestmuseum.org) in Highland Park, California, voted

 

to begin an operational partnership with the Autry Museum of Western

 

Heritage. Unfortunately, that may lead to the closure of the

 

Southwest Museum and moving its collections to the Autry.

 

 

 

For those of you who do not know about the Southwest Museum, it has

 

been in operation for almost 100 years, and is located just off of

 

Figueroa (Route 66) in Highland Park, near Sycamore Grove Park. It

 

has one of the most comprehensive collections of Native American

 

artifacts in the United States. The Southwest Museum opened in 1907

 

and is the oldest museum in Los Angeles. It is also a Los Angeles

 

City Historical Landmark. It is that city landmark status that will

 

help us in the battle to keep the Southwest Museum open.

 

 

 

We have very active preservationists in the Highland Park Heritage

 

Trust and Los Angeles Conservancy working to save this important

 

piece of American history. It looks like we might be needing more. So

 

I ask that each and every member of this list please get those pens

 

and paper out (or I'll settle for an email or word processor and

 

printer!) and get ready to send letters to the groups listed below. I

 

assure you that these letters will definitely get passed on from the

 

Conservancy and HPHT.

 

 

 

Highland Park Heritage Trust

 

PO Box 50894

 

Los Angeles, CA 90050-0894

 

(Their website is www.hpht.org, but the email is currently down.)

 

 

 

Los Angeles Conservancy

 

523 W. Sixth St.

 

Suite 826

 

Los Angeles, CA 90014

 

info@l...

 

www.laconservancy.org

 

 

 

The Autry Museum of Western Heritage

 

4700 Western Heritage Way

 

Los Angeles, CA 90027-1462

 

(I do not have a specific name to send to at the Autry Museum.)

 

 

 

At this point, the battle is being waged mostly within Los Angeles.

 

So, for now, please only contact the following City and County

 

representatives that represent the district:

 

 

 

Los Angeles City Councilman Antonio Villaraigosa

 

200 N. Spring Street

 

Room 425

 

Los Angeles, CA 90012

 

 

 

Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina

 

856 Kenneth Hahn Hall of Administration

 

500 West Temple Street

 

Los Angeles, CA 90012

 

molina@b...

 

 

 

Los Angeles Mayor James K. Hahn

 

200 North Spring Street

 

Room 303

 

Los Angeles, CA 90012

 

MayorHahn@mayor.lacity.org

 

 

 

Please also send copies of any letters to me, preferably via email.

 

I want to make certain, when we do have to attend City Council and

 

County Supervisor Meetings, that I am armed with the support of all

 

my friends and family along America's Historic Roads.

 

 

 

Additionally, the Friends of the Southwest Museum Coalition, made up

 

of a variety of preservation organizations and local interest groups,

 

has finally made some headway with the Autry Museum of Western

 

Heritage. (The Autry and Southwest Museums have merged, and the

 

Autry is taking over control of the Southwest.) Unfortunately, the

 

headway that has been made only includes the opportunity to meet with

 

the Autry board. At this time, no decision on the fate of the

 

Southwest Museum has been made.

 

 

 

The Friends of the Southwest Museum Coalition, as mentioned, is made

 

up of a long list of organizations that is interested in saving the

 

Museum. Now is the time to add our various Historic Roads groups to

 

that list. I'm sending out personal emails to a few groups later

 

today. In the meantime, anyone who is involved in a preservation

 

organization of any kind, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, please consider

 

joining this group. If you are interested, please email me OFF LIST

 

so that I can forward that information to you.

 

 

 

Thank you, everyone, for your time and continued support of

 

preservation across the route and around the world!

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski, Director

 

66 Productions

 

www.66productions.com

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