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Guest Russell S. Rein

Hi Cindy,

 

 

 

The Red Arrow Highway was Old US 12 before I-94 was opened.

 

It is called Red Arrow Highway starting approximately midway between

 

Oshtemo and Paw Paw. It runs into Territorial Rd. on the East side of

 

Benton Harbor, then a jog south on Water and continue west on Main

 

St., then another jog on Wayne to Port to continue south on Main St.

 

through St. Joseph. South of St. Joe town Main turns into Lakeshore.

 

This whole section is marked as Business I-94 and is easy to follow.

 

Further south of St. Joe the road turns back into Red Arrow Highway.

 

It crosses I-94 a couple of times and continues to New Buffalo

 

at the SW corner of the state, and eventually runs into the few miles

 

of original US 12 in the southwest corner of the state.

 

 

 

Old US 12 started in Grand Circus Park in Downtown Detroit and

 

ran west with US 16 on Grand River until it split off at the eastern

 

beginning of Plymouth Rd. It went through Redford, Livonia, Plymouth,

 

Dixboro, Ann Arbor, Lima Center, Chelsea, Sylvan Center, Leoni,

 

Jackson, Sandstone, Parma, Albion, Marengo, Marshall, Battle Creek,

 

Lakeview, Galesburg, Comstock, Oshtemo, Paw Paw, Teapot Dome,

 

Lawrence, Hartford, Watervliet, Coloma, Twelve Corners, Benton

 

Harbor, St. Joseph, Shoreham, Glen Lord, Stevensville, Bridgman,

 

Shorewood Hills, Bethany Beach, Sawyer, Birchwood, Hazelhurst,

 

Harbert, Turner Shores, Lakeside, Lakeview, Union Pier, Gordon

 

Beach, Sokol Camp, New Buffalo and Grand Beach. Except for a

 

few jogs virtually the entire Old US 12 in Michigan is still there and

 

driveable.

 

 

 

When I-94 was finished they decommissioned the old US 12 route

 

and redesignated the southerly US 112 route as US 12, in June of

 

1961. This is very confusing to most people. Except for the last two

 

miles or so, everything in Michigan that now is marked as US 12 either

 

was Old US 112 or some other road or improvement. For more info.

 

on this see Marc Fannin's Michiana Roads web page at:

 

http://www.roadfan.com/michroad.html

 

Robert Droz's US Highway pages at

 

http://www.us-highways.com/

 

And read the article on US 12 by the Federal Highway Administration's

 

Historian Richard F. Weingroff:

 

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/us12.htm

 

 

 

This New US 12 (old US 112) follows the route of the Old Chicago

 

Road and the Old Sauk Trail, and has recently been awarded Heritage

 

Trail Status by the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT).

 

For more info. about this see:

 

http://www.swmicomm.org/SWMC/US12.htm..

 

 

 

Three Oaks is on new US 12, about 5 miles east of the Red Arrow

 

Highway and New Buffalo. This section was never part of the

 

Original Old US 112 which jogged south into Indiana at Elkhart

 

(now MI 205 to Indiana 19) then ran west with US 20 through South

 

Bend and ended in Rolling Prairie, IN near the famous Bob's Barbeque.

 

US 20 / Old US 112 west of South Bend was also the Lincoln

 

Highway Route. So the original Old US 112 never went all the way

 

west across Michigan.

 

 

 

I study and collect Old US 12 and Old US 112, and have a large collection

 

of ephemera, road maps, postcards and souvenirs of these two routes.

 

I have the domain names US12.org and US112.com and eventually plan on

 

having two web-sites to display my collection. I drive these routes all

 

the time.

 

 

 

Everyone get out there and drive these roads now, there's lots to see, do

 

and

 

eat, and stay off that nasty I-94!!

 

 

 

ypsi-slim

 

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:00:12 -0000 "krtntt" <ceto11@yahoo.com> writes:

 

I am a new member.

 

Wanted more information about the

 

red arrow highway in Michigan.

 

 

 

Tried to search the archives before I posted this question

 

but the results kept focusing on narrow highway.

 

 

 

Have any members traveled this highway?

 

 

 

Think we traveled a portion of it to

 

a town called Three Oaks to visit the

 

Three Oaks Spokes bicycle museum.

 

As our guide, we had an outdated

 

version of Michigan's Off the Beaten Path.

 

We discovered that the museum was no

 

longer in the historic depot. Fortunately,

 

there was a note redirecting us to the library.

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Guest Russell S. Rein

Hey all - hope you're stayin' cool this summer. It's

 

time for your Lincoln Highway e-newletter!

 

 

 

Bob Lichty, President of the Lincoln Highway

 

Association announced some great news last

 

week:

 

"Last Tuesday, Jess Peterson, received and deposited

 

a check for $100,000.00 (yes the decimal point is in

 

the right place) that was sent to LHA from an

 

anonymous donor. The money came from the Fund for

 

Charitable Giving from the PNC Bank, in Pittsburgh, PA.

 

It is a donor directed fund, with no receipt or restrictions

 

necessary.....We both were very skeptical and did not

 

want it to commingle with other club financial information.

 

I called the bank in Pennsylvania to find out if the check

 

was real and not some sort of mistake or scam. I can tell

 

you it is real. Our long term poverty stricken club now

 

has some money, thanks to someone. I repeat, this is not

 

a spoof. We really have $100,000. While I really wanted

 

to tell you I raised it myself during my first month of

 

Presidency, it came in all by itself."

 

 

 

Jeff Kitsko has updated his PA US 30 website.

 

Check it out at:

 

http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html

 

 

 

That DARNED Lincoln Highway!! Brian Butko

 

sent this link about gridlock on our favorite hwy,

 

who knew?

 

http://xrl.us/grea

 

I found even more complaining!! What's goin' on?

 

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/15399

 

 

 

Carson City buys part of the old LH - Kings

 

Canyon Road - to stop development:

 

http://xrl.us/greh

 

 

 

Woodbine, IA is sprucing up:

 

http://xrl.us/grej

 

 

 

Another article about, and interview with, Brian

 

Butko, author of Greetings ftom the Lincoln

 

Highway:

 

http://xrl.us/grem

 

and at PennLive.com

 

http://xrl.us/gxoy

 

and another from Cantonrep.com: (requires login):

 

http://xrl.us/greq

 

 

 

Newly published book on Fulton, Il history,

 

House by the Side of the Road includes tales

 

of the old LH:

 

http://xrl.us/gren

 

 

 

More on the Pile to Pike Bike Trail, which

 

will include an a bypassed PA Turnpike tunnel:

 

http://xrl.us/grep

 

 

 

Mike Buettner in Lima reports some good new -

 

The missing 500 lb granite historical marker

 

from the Gomer, OH bridge on the LH has been

 

recovered:

 

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=15783

 

 

 

An epsiode of the HBO show Carnivale which

 

aired earlier this spring was titled Lincoln Highway:

 

http://xrl.us/gu7n

 

 

 

Will Cindy's Diner in Fort Wayne be forced to

 

move from it's prominent LH corner?

 

http://xrl.us/gu7p

 

 

 

Jess Peterson sends a link to another LHA

 

member's tribute to the Lincoln Huighway

 

Garage in York, PA (click on the mural link

 

on the menu at the left):

 

http://www.automasters.com/

 

 

 

A New Haven, IN couple restores their Victorian

 

home on the LH:

 

http://xrl.us/gu7u

 

 

 

On June 6 the City of West Wendover, NV

 

rededicated "Wendover Will". Read more

 

about it at the city's web site:

 

http://www.westwendovercity.com/

 

...and the Carson City Mint has produced a

 

Wendover Will commemorative medallion:

 

http://xrl.us/gu7z

 

 

 

A story about Middlegate Station on the LH

 

in Nevada:

 

http://xrl.us/gu72

 

 

 

Help save the Columbia, PA Drive-In Movie

 

Theatre on the LH:

 

http://ydr.com/story/letters/78473/

 

 

 

Google has a new hybrid satellite pics and

 

mapping program. Try the beta at:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h

 

(why is Indiana gray?)

 

 

 

Another article about LH cross-county bicyclist,

 

Don Dauphinais from LimaOhio.com:

 

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=16286

 

 

 

Lincoln Highway Days is coming for Nevada, IA -

 

since 1983:

 

www.lincolnhighwaydays.com

 

 

 

An article about the OH LH statewide "Buy-Way"

 

garage sale featuring LHA's Larry Webb:

 

http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=16016

 

More OH LH Garage Sale "Buy-Way"publicity:

 

http://xrl.us/gxo3

 

Here's the official press release:

 

contact: Mike Hocker, Executive Director

 

Ohio Lincoln Highway Heritage Corridor

 

419-468-6773

 

120 Harding Way East, Galion, OH 44833

 

Packgpwr@bright.net

 

 

 

Group Yard Salers Number Well Over Fifty; Ready for 241 Mile-Long

 

"Buy-Way" Yard Sale

 

 

 

The Ohio Lincoln Highway's Historic Byway decided to throw a yard sale

 

across the state, and look who's coming! On August 11, 12 and 13,

 

over fifty group yard sale, parking lot and other festive events are

 

set to happen from East Liverpool to the Indiana state line west of Van

 

Wert, by organizations like Kiwanis, volunteer fire departments,

 

scouts, church groups, historical societies and just about anybody who

 

has an empty lot along the Lincoln Highway in Ohio.

 

 

 

Executive Director Mike Hocker said, "we have been amazed by this first

 

year's responses...both from organizations wanting to participate, and

 

people planning their summer travel schedules and wanting to include

 

this 'Buy-Way' Yard Sale.

 

 

 

“And people are getting really creative. I can't wait to get out there,

 

myself and see," he said.

 

"For instance, the Minerva Scenic Railway is running a special event

 

and boarding and deboarding shoppers at a large yard sale along the

 

tracks. Wooster is talking about a chain saw carving event, and some

 

towns have moved their community-wide yard sale week to this one."

 

 

 

Martha Starkey, President of the OLHHC and Wayne County Convention &

 

Visitors Bureau Director commented, "This three day event is a win-win

 

event ideal for many smaller communities along the Lincoln Highway to

 

bring in loads of tourists, bargain-hunters and collectors from all

 

over. This brings even more business to restaurants, gas stations and

 

other retails along the way."

 

 

 

Communities along all alignments of the highway's history include East

 

Liverpool, Lisbon, Hanoverton, Kensington, East Rochester, Minerva,

 

Robertsville, East Canton and Canton, Massillon, East Greenville,

 

Dalton, Riceland, Wooster, Jefferson, Reedsburg, New Pittsburg,

 

Rowsburg, Reedsburg, Jeromesville, Hayesville, Ashland, Mifflin,

 

Mansfield, Ontario, Crestline, Galion, Leesville, Bucyrus, Oceola,

 

Nevada, Upper Sandusky, Forest, Dunkirk, Williamstown, Dola, Ada,

 

Beaverdam, Cairo, Lima, Elida, Gomer, Delphos, Van Wert and Convoy.

 

 

 

Starkey noted that the Lincoln Highway generally follows U.S. Route 30

 

but had several alignments over the years of its heyday as America's

 

first transcontinental paved road from 1913 to 1928. "Tourists who are

 

unfamiliar with the road should watch for the red, white and blue signs

 

with the large "L", and if all else fails," Starkey emphasized, "it

 

doesn't hurt to stop and ask the locals if you get confused."

 

 

 

Currently, almost every community has at least one group activity

 

planned. Some yard salers are carrying Lincoln Highway souvenir items,

 

too. Starkey added that there will be a special Lincoln Highway

 

Trading Post memorabilia sales trailer featured at Galion's Park Square

 

on Thursday, Shisler's Cheese House at Kidron Road east of Wooster on

 

Friday and at the Classic 57 Diner in Minerva on Saturday.

 

 

 

For an updated list of group events, visit the website,

 

www.lhbuyway.com or call 419-468-6773.

 

 

 

Ebay Auctions:

 

 

 

An LHA OH member caught us all napping when he

 

was able to snag an LH Army Convoy medal for

 

only $39.95!!!:

 

http://xrl.us/gska

 

 

 

A 50's era color postcard of Eddie's Diner in

 

Quincy, MA went for $455 last month!

 

(sorry no pic)

 

 

 

Aero Filling Stations Motorist Guide of Wyoming

 

from 1922 went for $78.89

 

http://xrl.us/gu73

 

 

 

A nice real photo postcard of the Albuquerque

 

Auto Court and Gas Station went for $214.39:

 

http://xrl.us/gu75

 

 

 

A real photo postcard of the Tower Coffee shop

 

in Lake Tahoe went for $55.35:

 

http://xrl.us/gu76

 

 

 

A replica set of Burma Shave signs went for $235:

 

http://xrl.us/gu79

 

 

 

A scarce real photo view of the Coffee Pot

 

Restaurant and Atlantic Gas Station on the LH

 

in Bedford, PA went for: $92.29:

 

http://xrl.us/gu8c

 

 

 

A never before seen Tips to Travelers - 1941

 

Edition - U.S. 30 (U.S. 50 in Utah & Nevada)

 

The Lincoln Highway - The Main Street of The

 

Nation - San Francisco to New York, hand

 

drawn, went for $154.49:

 

http://xrl.us/gu8d

 

 

 

A real photo of the Twin Bridges store on US 50

 

on Lake Tahoe went for $94:

 

http://xrl.us/gu8e

 

 

 

A real photo postcard of a horse and buggy

 

at Donner Lake went for $82.56:

 

http://xrl.us/gu8f

 

 

 

A nice printed black & white postcard of the

 

New Yorker Diner in Reno went for $72.85:

 

http://xrl.us/gu8g

 

 

 

A nice real photo of an old auto on the dirt

 

road Donner Pass went for $62.99

 

http://xrl.us/gxo9

 

 

 

A set of six nice poster art postcards for

 

Newark NJ's 250th anniversary celebration

 

went for $103.50:

 

http://xrl.us/gxpc

 

 

 

A scarce Bill's Place real photo view on the LH

 

in PA went for $47.60:

 

http://xrl.us/gxpd

 

 

 

A supposed LH view of Laurel, MD went

 

for $52.00:

 

http://xrl.us/gxpe

 

The LH never went thru Maryland but I have

 

seen a few postcards that insisted that it did,

 

plus a token from the Lincoln Highway Seafood

 

Company in Baltimore!?

 

 

 

A nice condition cardboard LH cigar box went

 

for $80.75:

 

http://xrl.us/gxpf

 

 

 

that's all for now.........stay off those interstates!

 

ypsi-slim

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Guest Claudette Seamon

I agree with you.

 

 

 

Claudette

 

 

 

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Guest Gail Mello

My daughter lived in Seattle for a long time (she just moved to Eugene, Oregon)

 

and she raved about Ivor's ... we visited her several times, but never went

 

there. Gail (a newbie on the list and have been having internet problems so have

 

not posted an intro or a hello ...

 

 

 

I live in central Arizona just outside of Sedona ...

 

 

 

Gail

 

 

 

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I am not real knowlegable in this area but there is a fish place in Seattle

 

called Ivor's (I believe it is on Puget Sound) which, if it is still there

 

is very much worth experiencing...for those out there who have been to Ted

 

Drewe's in St. Louis, in my mind it is the Ted Drewes of fish joints...the

 

fish was good but the experience of watching a bunch of people serve a bunch

 

of people made it even more worthwhile! Tsingtao Kip

 

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Guest Brian Butko

That was Rachel Morris. Last I heard, she is teaching English in Korea, but

 

here?s her website: www.lomohomes.com/silvertoes

 

 

 

Of interest to roadies on her site are some road photos and this: ?Between

 

1998 and 2002 I co-founded, edited and contributed to the magazine

 

'Traveller's Times'. My first book, 'Gaining Ground: Law Reform for Gypsies

 

and Travellers'....?

 

 

 

Brian Butko

 

(The guy in the video at Wigwam Village with wife Sarah, 3 kids, and 1 bed!)

 

http://www.brianbutko.com (made on a Mac)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Who was that "friend of the road" touring with the Apple iBook?

 

 

 

"I think, therefore iMac" . . Chris

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Guest Bakerhab@aol.com

PRESS RELEASE

 

For Immediate Distribution

 

August 26, 2005

 

 

 

Title: Route 66 Roadies, Authors, and Artists to Gather at Wigwams

 

 

 

Wednesday, September 14 will be a special day at the Wigwam Motel in Rialto.

 

The very finest of Route 66 Roadies, Authors and Artists will be having an all

 

day poolside gathering at this historic lodging location along Route 66.

 

These well versed Mother Road enthusiasts will be having this informal and

 

friendly get together gathering as a 'meet and greet' occasion for guests and

 

visitors who stop by the day before the kick-off of this years San Bernardino

 

Route

 

66 Rendezvous celebrations. Artists and authors will display their works at the

 

Wigwam Motel and also during the Rendezvous events at the "Route 66 Authors

 

and Artists Expo," located at the City Hall Turnaround, at D and Third Streets.

 

Fellow Route 66 roadies and enthusiasts are invited to drop in at the Wigwam

 

Motel anytime during the afternoon to early evening of September 14. This

 

would be a great time for a personal meet and greet photo opportunity with some

 

of

 

Route 66's finest roadies. A large number of the roadies will be in

 

attendance, some of whom will be:

 

 

 

David Knudson, president of the National Route 66 Federation

 

Jim Conkle, founder and president of the California Route 66 Preservation

 

Foundation.

 

Kathy Anderson, former president of the Oklahoma Route 66 Association

 

Bob 'crocodile' Lile, current president of the Texas Route 66 Association

 

Kevin Hansel, president of the California Historic Route 66 Association

 

Debra Hodkin, director of Barstow's Route 66 Mother Road Museum

 

Manoj Patel, family owner of the historic Wigwam Motel. The Patel family has

 

done a true justice for Route 66 with all of their hard work in completely

 

restoring and preserving this vintage beauty icon along the Mother Road.

 

Scott Piotrowski, author of "Finding the End of the Mother Road: Route 66 in

 

Los Angeles County" and is also known for his fine photography and video's.

 

Ken Turmel, artist who mastered the first Route 66 artwork that actually

 

traveled the entire length of the Mother Road while it was being created. The

 

art

 

is a Route 66 Tribute masterpiece to see!

 

Turmel's work has become known worldwide as PostmarkArt.

 

Jim Ross, a well versed and award winning historian who authored "Oklahoma

 

Route 66." His extensive research travels along Route 66 are unparalleled, and

 

they are evident in his writings.

 

Jerry McClanahan, water color and oil paintings extraordinaire! Jerry has a

 

special touch with his talents as he poses new and vintage automobiles with

 

famous vintage Route 66 icon locations.

 

Swa Frantzen, of Belgium, webmaster of the very first web site dedicated to

 

Route 66 www.historic66.com

 

 

 

The famous 66 icon Wigwam Motel location was especially chosen for this

 

roadie poolside gathering for a very good reason. The Wigwam Motel is recognized

 

as

 

California's most famous Route 66 motel, built in the city of San Bernardino

 

during the later half of 1949. The Indian inspired motel features a life like

 

village style arrangement of nineteen 30 foot teepees, complete with all of

 

the traveler's essentials including a barbecue and swimming pool. The original

 

developer of this retro motel was a man by the name of Frank Redford, who was

 

heavily influenced by the native Indian art and culture. He brought his

 

imagination to a reality in the early 1930's, as he built a prototype of his

 

creative

 

teepee shaped cabin. A total of seven Wigwam Motels were built throughout the

 

nation, only 3 of which exist today. This newly restored and renovated

 

classic and cozy motel continues to live on, going on its 56th anniversary,

 

through

 

the support of car enthusiasts, roadies, tourists, travelers and most

 

importantly preservationists. No doubt, this is a very good reason to stop by

 

and

 

gather around the Wigwam Motel.

 

 

 

Further information can be viewed online at www.wigwammotel.com

 

Contact Manoj Patel at 909-721-3949 or e-mail at wigwamrte66@yahoo.com to

 

make any lodging arrangements, or contact Ken Turmel at

 

thelandrunner@hotmail.com

 

with any questions about the Route 66 Roadie, Authors, and Artists Poolside

 

Gathering at the Wigwams.

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Guest Ken -

Hi. I used to live in El Paso and visited Juarez frequently. If you

 

want to visit there, don't be afraid to, however there are precautions to

 

take. First, I reccomend parking in El Paso and walking across. If you

 

do drive across you will need to purchase insurance. Mecican law

 

requires you to have Mexican insurance. Your US insurance won't be

 

valid. Also, Juarez for the most part is very poor and like any US city

 

I would not advise daytime trips only (or atleast don't leave the main

 

drag). Juarez is the largest city on the US/Mexican boarder and has a

 

lot to see, including the bull fights (if you are into that) and

 

everything is cheap. Just remember that you are not in the US anymore

 

and mind your own business. I would not advise travelling out of

 

Juarez. There really is nothing there to see. All dessert and breaking

 

down would not be good. I would go and have fun, but be careful.

 

 

 

Ken

 

 

 

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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:41:20 +0100

 

From: "UKRoads"

 

Subject: Re: Re: Travelling Less?

 

 

 

Thank you all for your suggestions regarding our trip into Southern

 

New

 

Mexico & Arizona. As always both groups , American Road and Route 66

 

have

 

come up trumps and given us plenty to think about. It is greatly

 

appreciated.

 

We are going to stick with the Southern route as we want to visit

 

Bisbee &

 

Tombstone, so I'm afraid Show Low & Globe will have to wait another

 

time.

 

Any further suggestions about the roads around the Roswell, Artesia,

 

Almogorordo & Ruidiso guys, I'm still not sure where we should be

 

going in

 

that area?

 

Also, should we just go west on I-10 at Las Cruces or is it worth

 

going

 

south to El Paso and Ciudad Juaraez?

 

You input will help save my wife from endless miles of driving to the

 

wrong

 

place in the wrong direction, she thanks you!

 

Regards Walter from Glasgow

 

 

 

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Michael Wallis, author of the best-selling "Route 66: The Mother

 

Road," gave us some potentially big news regarding the Vision 2025

 

Route 66 project in Tulsa. The National Historic Route 66 Federation,

 

based in California, is very interested in establishing a travel

 

center in a Route 66 interpretive center that would be built near the

 

historic 11th Street Bridge.

 

 

 

"Since founding the Federation, we have believed a center that is a

 

nationwide resource for the Mother Road would serve several important

 

purposes," wrote David Knudson, executive director.

 

 

 

"Tulsa, because of its geographic location and its commitment to the

 

history of the route, would be an excellent choice for the center."

 

 

 

In return, Wallis has promised Knudson his involvement in the

 

day-to-day operations of the center.

 

 

 

The involvement of the National Historic Route 66 Federation is a big

 

sweetener for the proposed interpretive center. The federation has

 

taken a large leadership role on Route 66, including staging major

 

events across the country, providing tourism advice and products, and

 

playing a vital role in the passage of the Route 66 Corridor

 

Preservation Program. A federation travel center would be a key

 

addition to a building that would house a cafe, museum, high-tech

 

interactive displays, meeting rooms and other attractions.

 

 

 

A Route 66 interpretive center would be a good thing for Tulsa and the

 

historic road. It would attract travelers that would ordinarily bypass

 

Route 66 via Interstate 44 and 244. It would bring more visitors to

 

downtown. The site would be easily accessible from the interstate and

 

Riverside Drive. In general, it would create more interest in Route 66

 

and help the entire road, especially in Tulsa County.

 

 

 

For this project, Wallis and Route 66 need your help. You need to

 

snail-mail letters of support for the proposed Route 66 interpretive

 

center near the 11th Street Bridge. Letters should be addressed to:

 

 

 

Mayor Bill LaFortune

 

200 Civic Center

 

Tulsa, OK 74103

 

 

 

and also to:

 

 

 

Route 66 Design Committee

 

111 S. Greenwood Ave.

 

Tulsa, OK 74120

 

 

 

You folks who wrote letters urging the preservation of El Vado Motel

 

in Albuquerque helped stop the bulldozers. To help Route 66 have a

 

brighter future, Wallis is asking you to help again by supporting the

 

Vision 2025 Route 66 recommendations.

 

 

 

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Tulsa, OK

 

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Hello all,

 

 

 

Been here for about 3 months now. Studying at College park, Maryland.

 

I was wondering if i could get any inputs on the kind of places that

 

could be visited in this part of the country during the winter break.

 

 

 

1. Not more than 8 hours drive.

 

2. Group of 6 travelling.

 

3. Not much money need be spent.

 

4. Game for any kind of topography.

 

 

 

Appreciate it,

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Vikram

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Only 7 months before the Ride Thru Time Galaxie Club and the Ford

 

Classics Touring Club hit the road-we'll be spending June 10-25, 2006

 

on Route 66 with 20 cars.

 

 

 

2007 will see us traveling the northern plains over to Idaho, then

 

north and east through 7 National Parks and Monuments, and some of the

 

twistiest 2-lane roads west of the Mississippi.

 

 

 

You can find more information about our trips at

 

www.fordclassicstouring.org

 

 

 

Tony

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I'm wondering if someone can help me. In the second week of February, I will be

 

flying out to Las Vegas for a week-long vacation. We have a room and everything

 

and will be doing the full tourist thing while we're there. However, what I

 

want to do is go to California and have my picture taken in front of the sign

 

just as you enter the state and go back to Vegas. What I would like to know

 

is...is there anything within the state line at that point that would be fun to

 

see without having to go all the way to LA? I don't want to get too far from

 

Vegas, being as we'll have to turn around and go back to the hotel that night.

 

I'm into anything related to parks and mountains as I want to take some good

 

scenery shots to take back home with me. Are there any parks nearby? Thanks!

 

 

 

Dorothy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sounds like a fun trip. I'm not quite in Memphis but I'm closer than I

 

usually am. I am about 130 miles away in Paris, TN, and hope to be in

 

Memphis tomorrow. My plans aren't as firm as I had hoped they would be by

 

now but the most likely move from Memphis is heading north on US-61 on

 

Friday. But your report and mention of Clarksdale has me looking at the maps

 

again.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

www.DennyGibson.com

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Alex Burr [mailto:hester_nec@yahoo.com]

 

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

 

 

 

 

 

Greetings from the heart of Delta Blues Country; well, in my case

 

I'm sitting on the northern edge of it in Memphis.

 

Yesterday, the 27th of Dec, my daughter and I took a day and drove

 

to Clarksdale, MS, using Old Highway 61, as much as possible - which

 

is most of the way between Walls and Lula, MS. We did get off track

 

a couple of times as the road, whild adequately marked, is easy to

 

miss at times.

 

For me, this was a trip back in time - almost 50 years to be

 

exact. Of course 50 years ago I wasn't really looking at the

 

scenery. It's a tad difficult to enjoy the local color when you're

 

running 61 north at 80 or so with somebody behind you bent on

 

stopping you for the liquid refreshment you are carrying in the

 

trunk of the car.

 

But, I did recognize a few places, such as the Journey Inn and

 

Court (think thats right) on the south side of Memphis near the

 

TN/MS line. Most of the by-passed towns along Old 61 seem to have

 

retreated into stop sign cross-roads, now - the map shows places

 

such as Lake Cormorant, Newport, Evansville, but I didn't see much

 

of what could be called a "town".

 

Tunica proper hasn't changed a lot in 50 years - they do have a

 

wonderful Veterans Memorial on the south side of town that appears

 

to be well cared for and is worth a stop - there's a wide spot

 

across the street where you can pull over safely.

 

Most all of the old road is 2 lane, and narrow. But it is pretty

 

much empty now that the current "New" U S 61 to the east is 4 lane

 

divided for the folks in a hurry. The section between Grand Casino

 

Parkway N and Casino Strip Blvd, in Clack, is 4 lane - for the

 

convienence of the gambling tourists - but that's about it.

 

We actually made nearly as good time on the old road as we would

 

have on the new 61 - if you were just interested in driving from

 

here to there you'd only loose maybe 15 minutes or so. No traffic

 

for the most part, and what was out there was local and light.

 

We almost went to Arkansas coming out of Lula. Wound up on U S 49

 

and turned right, when we should have turned left. Oh, well, I got

 

a nice picture of a marker telling about the Henando DeSoto Memorial

 

Bridge - did he REALLY get this far north?? However, we discovered

 

our navigational error before arriving at the bridge (should have

 

gone just a little further and took a picture of it) and returned to

 

61 and south to Clarksdale

 

While we entere Clarksdale on 161 (State Street) we didn't see any

 

signs directing us to the Delta Blues Museum. It seems we should

 

have taken 161 (or you can take the 61 by-pass and turn onto Martin

 

Luther King Blvd, as you should from 161. Turn onto Desoto Avenue

 

and then onto 3rd Street. Blues Alley, Ground Zero Blues Club

 

(Morgan Freeman's place) and several other attractions are just down

 

3rd on the left.

 

We found it the easy way. There was an old lady standing by the

 

side of the street waving to us. So we stopped, she wanted a

 

birthday hug and $2.99 to buy herself a birthday cake. We asked her

 

how to get to the museum; she told us to turn around, take a right

 

at the stop sign, a left at the next stop sign and another left at a

 

3rd stop sign. Yeah, right!!!!!!!! So we gave her $3 for

 

her "birthday cake" and followed her directions - right into the

 

parking lot at the Delta Blues Musuem!!!!! I told my daughter we

 

should have gone back and given the lady another $5!!!!

 

The Delta Blues Museum is a great place for Blues enthusiasts to

 

visit. Tons of photos with descriptive texts, guitars of famous

 

blues players, like Pinetop Perkins and B. B. King (the "B. B."

 

stands for "Blues Boy" by the way, and even Muddy Waters cabin from

 

the plantation he was raised on. They also have a audio/video

 

presentation. ( http://www.deltabluesmuseum.com/ )

 

After we left the museum we traveled south on 49 for about a mile

 

or so to Hopson Plantation, which is also the home of the Shack Up

 

Inn B&B (B&B =- Bed and Beer - the fellow told us they don't cook).

 

Since this narrative is getting rather lenghty we'll just give you a

 

URL to visit ( http://www.shackupinn.com/ ) for more information.

 

Rates are reasonable at $45, $55, and $65 - but you need to make

 

reservations way in advance as the place is very popular.

 

We returned to Memphis via "new" 61 - a lot more stress full, but

 

at least the truck traffic wasn't all that heavy. So if you get

 

down this way someday, take a quiet country drive down Old Highway

 

61. I'll post some photos when I get a chance to download them.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

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Denny:

 

 

 

A couple of places you might check out on the culinary side...in downtown

 

Clarksdale there is an excellent greasy spoon called the Delta Amusement

 

Blues Cafe (on Delta St. I believe, just down from Ground Zero); if the

 

father of the owner is there it is worth the stop--not to mention great

 

food!) and in Tunica at the corner of 61 and SR 4 is the Blue and White Cafe

 

(you will stop there anyway because of the sign, which is awesome)...there

 

is also a place at the tourist trapsters "crossroads" in Clarksdale called

 

Abe's BBQ--I have never eaten there but it has been there forever (since

 

1926 I believe)...one more thing; if you happen to take the "wrong turn"

 

onto 49 and head towards the Bridge, right before the bridge turn left on SR

 

1 and go to Friars Point--the North Delta Blues Museum which is a neat piece

 

of eclecticism which also pays tribute to Friar's Point's favorite son,

 

Conway Twitty...oops one more thing; if you are looking for a guide for this

 

area and all areas blues there is an excellent book called "Blues

 

Travelling: The Holy Sites of the Delta Blues" by Steve Cheeseborough...you

 

can pick up a copy in Clarksdale at Cat Head Delta Blues and Folk Art, 252

 

Delta Ave (just down from Delta Amusement Blues Cafe)...the owner, Roger

 

Stolle, is worth a chat up....hell I got to go to work! Enjoy the Ride, and

 

REMEBER MOON PIES man, MOON PIES! Friends don't let friends eat Twinkies!

 

Tsingtao Kip

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Denny Gibson" <denny@dennygibson.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:39 AM

 

Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

 

 

 

 

 

> Sounds like a fun trip. I'm not quite in Memphis but I'm closer than I

 

> usually am. I am about 130 miles away in Paris, TN, and hope to be in

 

> Memphis tomorrow. My plans aren't as firm as I had hoped they would be by

 

> now but the most likely move from Memphis is heading north on US-61 on

 

> Friday. But your report and mention of Clarksdale has me looking at the

 

maps

 

> again.

 

>

 

> Denny Gibson

 

> Cincinnati, OH

 

> www.DennyGibson.com

 

>

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Alex Burr [mailto:hester_nec@yahoo.com]

 

> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Mississippi Road Trip

 

>

 

>

 

> Greetings from the heart of Delta Blues Country; well, in my case

 

> I'm sitting on the northern edge of it in Memphis.

 

> Yesterday, the 27th of Dec, my daughter and I took a day and drove

 

> to Clarksdale, MS, using Old Highway 61, as much as possible - which

 

> is most of the way between Walls and Lula, MS. We did get off track

 

> a couple of times as the road, whild adequately marked, is easy to

 

> miss at times.

 

> For me, this was a trip back in time - almost 50 years to be

 

> exact. Of course 50 years ago I wasn't really looking at the

 

> scenery. It's a tad difficult to enjoy the local color when you're

 

> running 61 north at 80 or so with somebody behind you bent on

 

> stopping you for the liquid refreshment you are carrying in the

 

> trunk of the car.

 

> But, I did recognize a few places, such as the Journey Inn and

 

> Court (think thats right) on the south side of Memphis near the

 

> TN/MS line. Most of the by-passed towns along Old 61 seem to have

 

> retreated into stop sign cross-roads, now - the map shows places

 

> such as Lake Cormorant, Newport, Evansville, but I didn't see much

 

> of what could be called a "town".

 

> Tunica proper hasn't changed a lot in 50 years - they do have a

 

> wonderful Veterans Memorial on the south side of town that appears

 

> to be well cared for and is worth a stop - there's a wide spot

 

> across the street where you can pull over safely.

 

> Most all of the old road is 2 lane, and narrow. But it is pretty

 

> much empty now that the current "New" U S 61 to the east is 4 lane

 

> divided for the folks in a hurry. The section between Grand Casino

 

> Parkway N and Casino Strip Blvd, in Clack, is 4 lane - for the

 

> convienence of the gambling tourists - but that's about it.

 

> We actually made nearly as good time on the old road as we would

 

> have on the new 61 - if you were just interested in driving from

 

> here to there you'd only loose maybe 15 minutes or so. No traffic

 

> for the most part, and what was out there was local and light.

 

> We almost went to Arkansas coming out of Lula. Wound up on U S 49

 

> and turned right, when we should have turned left. Oh, well, I got

 

> a nice picture of a marker telling about the Henando DeSoto Memorial

 

> Bridge - did he REALLY get this far north?? However, we discovered

 

> our navigational error before arriving at the bridge (should have

 

> gone just a little further and took a picture of it) and returned to

 

> 61 and south to Clarksdale

 

> While we entere Clarksdale on 161 (State Street) we didn't see any

 

> signs directing us to the Delta Blues Museum. It seems we should

 

> have taken 161 (or you can take the 61 by-pass and turn onto Martin

 

> Luther King Blvd, as you should from 161. Turn onto Desoto Avenue

 

> and then onto 3rd Street. Blues Alley, Ground Zero Blues Club

 

> (Morgan Freeman's place) and several other attractions are just down

 

> 3rd on the left.

 

> We found it the easy way. There was an old lady standing by the

 

> side of the street waving to us. So we stopped, she wanted a

 

> birthday hug and $2.99 to buy herself a birthday cake. We asked her

 

> how to get to the museum; she told us to turn around, take a right

 

> at the stop sign, a left at the next stop sign and another left at a

 

> 3rd stop sign. Yeah, right!!!!!!!! So we gave her $3 for

 

> her "birthday cake" and followed her directions - right into the

 

> parking lot at the Delta Blues Musuem!!!!! I told my daughter we

 

> should have gone back and given the lady another $5!!!!

 

> The Delta Blues Museum is a great place for Blues enthusiasts to

 

> visit. Tons of photos with descriptive texts, guitars of famous

 

> blues players, like Pinetop Perkins and B. B. King (the "B. B."

 

> stands for "Blues Boy" by the way, and even Muddy Waters cabin from

 

> the plantation he was raised on. They also have a audio/video

 

> presentation. ( http://www.deltabluesmuseum.com/ )

 

> After we left the museum we traveled south on 49 for about a mile

 

> or so to Hopson Plantation, which is also the home of the Shack Up

 

> Inn B&B (B&B =- Bed and Beer - the fellow told us they don't cook).

 

> Since this narrative is getting rather lenghty we'll just give you a

 

> URL to visit ( http://www.shackupinn.com/ ) for more information.

 

> Rates are reasonable at $45, $55, and $65 - but you need to make

 

> reservations way in advance as the place is very popular.

 

> We returned to Memphis via "new" 61 - a lot more stress full, but

 

> at least the truck traffic wasn't all that heavy. So if you get

 

> down this way someday, take a quiet country drive down Old Highway

 

> 61. I'll post some photos when I get a chance to download them.

 

>

 

> Hudsonly,

 

> Alex B

 

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Ahhh, Kipper. Your post about the Delta has unearthed memories.

 

 

 

I've been to Abe's BBQ. I highly recommend it. Was there near the end

 

of a trip to see all the blues sites in Clarksdale and on U.S. 61. If

 

you want to look at Abe's mouth-watering BBQ sandwiches, go here:

 

 

 

http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Writeup.as...5&RefID=205

 

 

 

Me and a buddy were driving down 61 in a convertible on an

 

unseasonably warm day in October. We were between Tunica and

 

Clarksdale, where cotton fields stretch as far as the eye can see. We

 

were blasting ZZ Top's "My Head's in Mississippi" when we saw a crop

 

duster spraying the fields. To our astonishment, we looked up to see

 

the crazy pilot going right over our heads, UNDER the power lines that

 

line the road.

 

 

 

"I don't think that's exactly LEGAL!" my buddy said.

 

 

 

"So who's going to pull him over and give him a ticket?" I replied.

 

 

 

At the time, the Blues Museum in Clarksdale was in the local library.

 

It was cool, but we cherished going out to the Stovall Plantation

 

north of town to see the remains of Muddy Waters' cabin. The roof of

 

the long-abandoned shack had been blown off by a tornado years ago,

 

but the walls still stood. We noticed that other visitors there had

 

wedged guitar picks into the cracks of the wood. A couple of

 

sharecroppers who lived nearby put the skunk-eye on us initially, but

 

relaxed when they realized we were just blues pilgrims. They gave us a

 

friendly wave when we departed. It was reassuring to see informal

 

caretakers looking over the place.

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Tulsa, OK

 

www.route66news.org

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <rudkip@s...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Denny:

 

>

 

> A couple of places you might check out on the culinary side...in

 

downtown

 

> Clarksdale there is an excellent greasy spoon called the Delta Amusement

 

> Blues Cafe (on Delta St. I believe, just down from Ground Zero); if the

 

> father of the owner is there it is worth the stop--not to mention great

 

> food!) and in Tunica at the corner of 61 and SR 4 is the Blue and

 

White Cafe

 

> (you will stop there anyway because of the sign, which is

 

awesome)...there

 

> is also a place at the tourist trapsters "crossroads" in Clarksdale

 

called

 

> Abe's BBQ--I have never eaten there but it has been there forever (since

 

> 1926 I believe)...one more thing; if you happen to take the "wrong turn"

 

> onto 49 and head towards the Bridge, right before the bridge turn

 

left on SR

 

> 1 and go to Friars Point--the North Delta Blues Museum which is a

 

neat piece

 

> of eclecticism which also pays tribute to Friar's Point's favorite son,

 

> Conway Twitty...oops one more thing; if you are looking for a guide

 

for this

 

> area and all areas blues there is an excellent book called "Blues

 

> Travelling: The Holy Sites of the Delta Blues" by Steve

 

Cheeseborough...you

 

> can pick up a copy in Clarksdale at Cat Head Delta Blues and Folk

 

Art, 252

 

> Delta Ave (just down from Delta Amusement Blues Cafe)...the owner, Roger

 

> Stolle, is worth a chat up....hell I got to go to work! Enjoy the

 

Ride, and

 

> REMEBER MOON PIES man, MOON PIES! Friends don't let friends eat

 

Twinkies!

 

> Tsingtao Kip

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Alex - This and Denny's response go into a Delta Blues Country folder I'd

 

started a while ago. The last addition was an article in the L.A. Times

 

on Morgan Freeman's involvement in his Blues Club. It's a ways from

 

Southern California but will get it into the schedule some day! Great

 

report!

 

 

 

Dick Bublitz, Advertising Director

 

American Road

 

22247 Burbank Blvd.

 

Woodland Hills, CA 91367

 

Ph/Fax: 818-992-0366

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Greetings All,

 

 

 

It's near that time of year again when I would like to make all the

 

major updates to my Two Lane Links page. If any group members here

 

have a Route 66 related website and/or other historic two lane

 

highways, byways and trails related website that they would like to

 

have listed on the links page, please feel free to send me a private

 

email and we can go from there.

 

 

 

Also, if you may know of someone else that has a road related website

 

that they would like to have listed on the links page, please let

 

them know and have them send me a private email concerning such.

 

Websites for all Mom and Pop shops, cafes, motels, info resources,

 

personal travel stories, photo sites, preservation groups, "roadie"

 

entertainment sites, etc... are all most welcome to be listed.

 

 

 

While on my adventure travels, I am always handing out website flyers

 

everywhere I go. A win-win for the Roadie Family Circle of Support!

 

Looking forward to hearing from ya'll.

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

 

 

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Greener pastures awaits historic diner

 

By David Liscio

 

Wednesday, January 18, 2006

 

 

 

LYNN,MA. - During World War II, Lynn residents seeking a hot meal at

 

a reasonable price flocked to Riley's Diner on Boston Street, one of

 

75 streamlined, prefabricated structures manufactured between 1936-

 

1945 by the Sterling Diner Division of the J.B. Judkins Co. of

 

Merrimac.

 

 

 

Like other diners of its era, Riley's was an icon of American life

 

and culture, as ubiquitous as the corner store, the barbershop, the

 

bakery and druggist.

 

 

 

Riley's is the latest piece of that era to fade from the local

 

landscape, as a flatbed truck from M&M Rigging, hired by the

 

Providence-R.I.-based American Diner Museum, was scheduled this

 

morning to lift and whisk Riley's Diner away to its new home in New

 

Hampshire, where it will be restored

 

 

 

According to Daniel Zilka, spokesman for the American Diner Museum,

 

Riley's Diner, and the historic streamliner Salem Diner in Salem, are

 

among the few remaining Sterling-made models.

 

 

 

Zilka said the coordinated removal and demolition in Lynn freed up

 

the commercial site and also saved the diner.

 

 

 

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Tom, this is any easy one:

 

TV and traffic!

 

And computers and video games.

 

 

 

There are many families who never leave the house, when they aren't

 

going out to school or work, due to these reasons and so they fill

 

the time and entertain themselves with these passive activities.

 

 

 

Going on even a Sunday pleasure drive takes some amount of planning

 

and if you have children, even more so, and the destination has to

 

have the same appeal as the stay at home entertainment, i.e., the

 

trip has to go to Disney World, or some other entertainment

 

destination because TV has taught us that it's that kind of activitiy

 

which is pleasure, and if it isn't that kind of activity, then it's

 

boring.

 

 

 

(Lest anyone be mistaken, I don't think that, but I believe that's

 

what has been taught by the content of the TV broadcast/shows, etc.)

 

 

 

John in Maine

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, egyptianzipper@a... wrote:

 

 

 

> I've noticed an opposite trend. When I was a kid, we would take

 

Saturday or

 

> Sunday drives in the afternoon many weeks in nice weather.

 

<Snip>

 

> It seems like most families don't do this anymore. And they weren't

 

doing it

 

> prior to the recent runup in gas prices, so it isn't that. Any

 

ideas?

 

>

 

> Tom Hoffman

 

> Pearisburg VA

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Seems that as long as I've been married (and even before that),

 

jumping in the car for a drive always seemed to be *therapeutic*--it

 

was a way to sort out my life--a way to change scenery quickly

 

(without having to get up to "turn the dial" or "change stations"! --

 

unless, of course, you mean *gas stations* <grin>)

 

 

 

Even when as newlyweds my wife and I would be having an argument,

 

we'd leave our apartment and continue the argument in the car and

 

drive from Alamogordo, New Mexico through the desert and over the

 

Oregon Mountains to Las Cruces... sometimes the argument was

 

particularly bad, so we'd make it all the way to Deming before

 

calming down and deciding to turn around and head home. Of course,

 

we had a tiny Datsun 210 at the time and gas wasn't as exhorbitant

 

as it is now... but we saw a *lot* of southern New Mexico this way.

 

<grin>

 

 

 

But even when we weren't arguing, every Saturday we'd scoot up the

 

road to Cloudcroft or Ruidoso for a *picnic* or just to explore. Or,

 

we'd drive up through Tularosa to Carrizozo and then over the

 

Malpais lava flows to Socorro and then down to Las Cruces on I-25

 

before heading back over the Oregon Mountains and past White Sands

 

National Monument to Alamogordo. We put a lot of miles on that car.

 

 

 

When we moved to Albuquerque a few years later, we did the same

 

thing--except we'd drive to Santa Fe and Taos or over to the Bosque

 

del Apache Wildlife Preserve just to see the scenery and the birds--

 

whooping cranes, Canadian geese, turkeys, and so on. Every Saturday

 

and even on Sundays after church, we'd pack up our two toddlers and

 

explore the downtown and side streets of Albuquerque (route 66 goes

 

through the middle of town <"Old Town"> and has many interesting

 

restaurants and hotels and other buildings that reflect the 1950's

 

and 1960's--such as the "Owl Cafe" and the Albuquerque Old Town

 

Plaza/Market). Next to the Rio Grand, is the Albuquerque Zoo and

 

the Rio Grand Nature Center... with miles of pathways for walking,

 

bicycling, and exploring. For a while in New Mexico, I was the

 

president and newsletter editor for the New Mexico Outdoor Writers

 

and Photographers Association (NMOWPA)... and I coordinated our

 

annual conferences--all usually involving *lots* of driving (New

 

Mexico is the nation's 5th largest state after Alaska, Texas,

 

California, and Montana). We had a conference in Red River, New

 

Mexico (northwest of Taos--near Eagle Nest, Angel Fire). Part of

 

the conference included a jeep ride up a narrow logging road to one

 

of the mountain peaks. Since the conference was in the fall, the

 

aspens were golden, the maples and oaks were red, and the air was

 

crisp. Great for photography and wildlife watching. When we drove

 

from California to New Mexico for a 10-day vacation in Angel Fire,

 

the kids' gameboys and tape players were *inadvertently* (and

 

conveniently "forgotten") and a backpack that didn't make it into

 

the car <grin>... and so we amused ourselves and the kids with games

 

such as the *alphabet game*--each kid has a side of the car.. you

 

look for signs that have the alphabet letter you need ... the first

 

kid reaching *Z* "wins"... and the game can start over or you can do

 

something else.. like "counting cows" (don't try this in Coalinga,

 

CA or in Montana... sometimes you'll be overwhelmed with herds of

 

thousands! <grin>). License plate watching, in which you try to

 

come up with the most different license plate locations

 

<state/province>, is also fun and sort of "educational".

 

 

 

Since we've moved to California, we still took (and take) weekends

 

to drive around. We've driven up 101 to Mendocino from Marin (San

 

Rafael and Inverness by way of the Richmond Bridge) and then through

 

the redwoods back to I-5 and then down through Sacramento back home.

 

We've driven over to highway 17 and down to Santa Cruz, Capitola,

 

Aptos, Monterey, and Carmel. Beautiful scenery--especially with the

 

wind-blown cypress on the rocky coast overlooking the Pacific waves.

 

 

 

We recently drove to Oakley (on the 120 road from Manteca heading

 

toward Yosemite) to spend an evening on the Sierra Train (Sunset

 

Dinner). It was raining at the time, so we didn't catch much of the

 

scenery, but the dinner and trip were fun, interesting and a neat

 

way to enjoy each other's company.

 

 

 

I hope this provides some ideas...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Dave Gardner

 

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

 

Pacific Consultants Group

 

http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/davidgardner

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I agree, John. TV and computer/video games do a lot to fulfill the "instant

 

gratification" need in a lot of people these days. Of course, there's also the

 

pressure on kids to take private lessons for everything under the sun and play

 

every team sport imaginable. Other than what mom and dad insist on, why get up

 

off the couch if you don't need to? And mom and dad often agree.

 

 

 

But I think your post gets at another basic reason, too. It seems to me (from

 

what I hear from friends and certainly what I see on TV -- I, too, occupy the

 

couch part of the time!) that most vacations these days are

 

destination-oriented. The only purpose of travel is to get from here to

 

Disneyland or wherever as quickly as possible, whether the travel is by road or

 

air. Now, to a lesser degree that was also the case with vacations in the 50s

 

and early 60s, but it seems that most vacations then were taken by car, and the

 

interstates had not yet taken over the landscapes. The trip was part of the

 

entertainment, regardless of the destination, and even poor old dad, who had to

 

put up with "Are we there yet?," etc., could still stop -- though not as often

 

as the kids wanted -- to see the rattlesnakes, look at the view, buy the kids a

 

rubber tomahawk, and grab an ice cream cone now and then. As bored as the kids

 

got, there was still something to see outside the car window: "Did you see that

 

dinosaur?" "There's the giant Indian!" "I saw it first!" "NO you didn't - I

 

saw it first!!" Travel isn't fun anymore -- whether it's by car on the

 

superslab or (even more so!) by air through all those horrible airports.

 

 

 

People who are convinced that the travel itself *should* be part of the

 

enjoyment are the people who become the "roadies." And people like me are

 

preaching to the choir -- people like you!

 

 

 

Bob Harmon

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: John

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:17 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: What state?

 

 

 

 

 

Tom, this is any easy one:

 

TV and traffic!

 

And computers and video games.

 

 

 

There are many families who never leave the house, when they aren't

 

going out to school or work, due to these reasons and so they fill

 

the time and entertain themselves with these passive activities.

 

 

 

Going on even a Sunday pleasure drive takes some amount of planning

 

and if you have children, even more so, and the destination has to

 

have the same appeal as the stay at home entertainment, i.e., the

 

trip has to go to Disney World, or some other entertainment

 

destination because TV has taught us that it's that kind of activitiy

 

which is pleasure, and if it isn't that kind of activity, then it's

 

boring.

 

 

 

(Lest anyone be mistaken, I don't think that, but I believe that's

 

what has been taught by the content of the TV broadcast/shows, etc.)

 

 

 

John in Maine

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Let's face it, Dave. You're a confirmed Roadie! Congratulations!

 

 

 

My kids (now grown) still joke about my yelling out "Vista! Vista!" -- no, not

 

the credit card! -- and swinging off the highway to see a panoramic view.

 

 

 

Ah, yes, the license plate game. It's addictive. My wife and I still record

 

them and see how many of the 50 we can find in a trip. Would you believe this?

 

We found *both* Hawaii and Alaska in a drive-in parking lot off Route 66 in

 

Waynesville MO several years ago!

 

 

 

Last summer we got 49 (!) on the way back from San Antonio -- avoiding as much

 

as the superslab as possible.

 

 

 

Bob Harmon

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: D Gardner

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:18 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Why not weekend drives?

 

 

 

 

 

Seems that as long as I've been married (and even before that),

 

jumping in the car for a drive always seemed to be *therapeutic*--it

 

was a way to sort out my life--a way to change scenery quickly

 

(without having to get up to "turn the dial" or "change stations"! --

 

unless, of course, you mean *gas stations* <grin>)

 

 

 

Even when as newlyweds my wife and I would be having an argument,

 

we'd leave our apartment and continue the argument in the car and

 

drive from Alamogordo, New Mexico through the desert and over the

 

Oregon Mountains to Las Cruces... sometimes the argument was

 

particularly bad, so we'd make it all the way to Deming before

 

calming down and deciding to turn around and head home. Of course,

 

we had a tiny Datsun 210 at the time and gas wasn't as exhorbitant

 

as it is now... but we saw a *lot* of southern New Mexico this way.

 

<grin>

 

 

 

But even when we weren't arguing, every Saturday we'd scoot up the

 

road to Cloudcroft or Ruidoso for a *picnic* or just to explore. Or,

 

we'd drive up through Tularosa to Carrizozo and then over the

 

Malpais lava flows to Socorro and then down to Las Cruces on I-25

 

before heading back over the Oregon Mountains and past White Sands

 

National Monument to Alamogordo. We put a lot of miles on that car.

 

 

 

When we moved to Albuquerque a few years later, we did the same

 

thing--except we'd drive to Santa Fe and Taos or over to the Bosque

 

del Apache Wildlife Preserve just to see the scenery and the birds--

 

whooping cranes, Canadian geese, turkeys, and so on. Every Saturday

 

and even on Sundays after church, we'd pack up our two toddlers and

 

explore the downtown and side streets of Albuquerque (route 66 goes

 

through the middle of town <"Old Town"> and has many interesting

 

restaurants and hotels and other buildings that reflect the 1950's

 

and 1960's--such as the "Owl Cafe" and the Albuquerque Old Town

 

Plaza/Market). Next to the Rio Grand, is the Albuquerque Zoo and

 

the Rio Grand Nature Center... with miles of pathways for walking,

 

bicycling, and exploring. For a while in New Mexico, I was the

 

president and newsletter editor for the New Mexico Outdoor Writers

 

and Photographers Association (NMOWPA)... and I coordinated our

 

annual conferences--all usually involving *lots* of driving (New

 

Mexico is the nation's 5th largest state after Alaska, Texas,

 

California, and Montana). We had a conference in Red River, New

 

Mexico (northwest of Taos--near Eagle Nest, Angel Fire). Part of

 

the conference included a jeep ride up a narrow logging road to one

 

of the mountain peaks. Since the conference was in the fall, the

 

aspens were golden, the maples and oaks were red, and the air was

 

crisp. Great for photography and wildlife watching. When we drove

 

from California to New Mexico for a 10-day vacation in Angel Fire,

 

the kids' gameboys and tape players were *inadvertently* (and

 

conveniently "forgotten") and a backpack that didn't make it into

 

the car <grin>... and so we amused ourselves and the kids with games

 

such as the *alphabet game*--each kid has a side of the car.. you

 

look for signs that have the alphabet letter you need ... the first

 

kid reaching *Z* "wins"... and the game can start over or you can do

 

something else.. like "counting cows" (don't try this in Coalinga,

 

CA or in Montana... sometimes you'll be overwhelmed with herds of

 

thousands! <grin>). License plate watching, in which you try to

 

come up with the most different license plate locations

 

<state/province>, is also fun and sort of "educational".

 

 

 

Since we've moved to California, we still took (and take) weekends

 

to drive around. We've driven up 101 to Mendocino from Marin (San

 

Rafael and Inverness by way of the Richmond Bridge) and then through

 

the redwoods back to I-5 and then down through Sacramento back home.

 

We've driven over to highway 17 and down to Santa Cruz, Capitola,

 

Aptos, Monterey, and Carmel. Beautiful scenery--especially with the

 

wind-blown cypress on the rocky coast overlooking the Pacific waves.

 

 

 

We recently drove to Oakley (on the 120 road from Manteca heading

 

toward Yosemite) to spend an evening on the Sierra Train (Sunset

 

Dinner). It was raining at the time, so we didn't catch much of the

 

scenery, but the dinner and trip were fun, interesting and a neat

 

way to enjoy each other's company.

 

 

 

I hope this provides some ideas...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Dave Gardner

 

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

 

Pacific Consultants Group

 

http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/davidgardner

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You're right. You *are* "preaching to the choir"! <grin>

 

 

 

Not sure what happened with my two kids... although my son was

 

totally addicted to his "game-boy" when he was about 10, he and his

 

sister participated in soccer and Shao-lin kempo (sort of like Kung

 

Fu) and Tae Kwon Do (to the point that they both got their black

 

belts a few years ago and were featured on the front cover of last

 

year's Black Belt Magazine's 2005 Buyer's Guide).

 

 

 

But now?

 

 

 

Both kids aren't interested in computer-stuff. They don't watch TV

 

(although they *like* going to movies at the theater--but that's

 

with their boyfriend/girlfriend... so I'm not sure if they're really

 

*watching* the movie <sigh>--and since they are both over 18 and

 

have recently moved out of our house, I can't say anything about

 

that anymore...<aargh!>). My son has been exploring the roads in

 

North Carolina since he moved over there to be with his

 

girlfriend... and my daughter is a "road-warrior" in her own right.

 

 

 

She and her girlfriends and her boyfriend drive almost every weekend

 

to Santa Cruz or Monterey or Capitola to boogie-board or just hang-

 

out at the beach.

 

 

 

A few years ago when she was only 16 and had finally gotten her full-

 

blown driver's license, she took off to see her boyfriend who at the

 

time lived about 40 miles north of us just south of Sacramento...

 

when she left the guy's house to come home, she inadvertently

 

got "turned around" and headed north rather than south on I-5 (she

 

went *up* there by Highway 99--so already scenery looked *different*

 

to her)... she got more and more *lost*... and took highway 80

 

West... and wound up somehow up in Napa...by getting off the freeway

 

and stopping for directions from folks who didn't know where *Tracy*

 

was... She was driving our family van... and noticed that the gas

 

gauge was sort of indicating *empty*... and it was pouring rain.

 

 

 

At the time, she had also just gotten her *bank account* for her

 

part-time job.. and she had an ATM card.. (but didn't know how to

 

use it)... she was getting more and more lost and was near tears...

 

she didn't have any cash on her... so she asked the attendant if her

 

ATM would work...Thank God, the fellow helped her out. And, the guy

 

was a bit better with driving instructions than the previous

 

*helpers* were.

 

 

 

She didn't get home until 1 in the morning (*Way* past her *curfew*!-

 

-Mom and I were staying up waiting for her and she was *grounded*

 

for missing her *curfew*).. and she didn't explain why she was late--

 

just said she was visiting her boyfriend up near Sacramento. It

 

wasn't until after she turned 19 that she finally explained to Mom

 

and me what had happened that night. Brave kid.

 

 

 

Now she drives all over the place--like I said--to Santa Cruz,

 

Monterey, Sacramento, San Francisco <yech!--too many hills and weird

 

drivers!> and with her friends, she just got back from a road trip

 

to San Diego... and she has gotten really good with reading maps!

 

(And maybe YahooMaps Driving Directions!).

 

 

 

I think she and her brother got their love of driving and exploring

 

from her mom and dad... and the fact that grandma and grandpa also

 

were driving nuts...

 

 

 

Just a theory... but it works...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Dave Gardner

 

 

 

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

 

Pacific Consultants Group

 

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Ye gads! Your kids are throwbacks! Thank goodness!! And congratulations.

 

 

 

Bob Harmon

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: D Gardner

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:26 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] TV? Online? Driving? Re: What state?

 

 

 

I think she and her brother got their love of driving and exploring

 

from her mom and dad... and the fact that grandma and grandpa also

 

were driving nuts...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Dave Gardner

 

 

 

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Hi Bob!

 

 

 

As for license plates... it's interesting that you can find Hawaii

 

and Alaska plates... here, we get all excited that we occasionally

 

see *GUAM*, *Samoa*, *Puerto Rico*, and *Virgin Island* plates (I

 

spent 12 years on Guam... Now *THAT* is a driving experience!

 

<grin>). We also see British Columbia, Sasketchewan, Alberta, and

 

Yukon Territory, and then Chihuahua, Baja, and other Mexican states

 

(or are they called *provinces*?)

 

 

 

Also, a few weeks ago, I saw a Japanese plate on a Toyota cruising

 

down I-680 toward Silicon Valley (most likely a GI returning from

 

overseas --either Okinawa or mainland Japan... I couldn't get close

 

enough to read the symbols on the plate <I read and write Japanese--

 

but ya gotta get close to read the characters>) --he *did* have a

 

military base sticker on his windshield--that's why I think it was a

 

military fellow returning to the mainland after overseas service.

 

 

 

RVs also sometimes post stickers from all the places/states they've

 

visited... this too makes for interesting conversations at the

 

various rest stops along the freeways and sideroads...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Dave Gardner

 

Senior Specialist/Writer-Editor

 

Pacific Consultants Group

 

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