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We just found out that Quinn's mother is not doing well at all...as such we are

 

heading North today...we will be in touch when we get back in town...Kip Quinn

 

and Natalie Kay

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Hi Steven,

 

 

 

I can attest to the Illinois section of the National Road, that it is

 

very well signed along US40 to direct you off onto the original

 

National Road alignment, especially through the small towns. So well

 

signed that it is vitually impossible to lose the route.

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

 

 

the lanrunner

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Rider" <srider1@n...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> Does anyone know of an on-line source for Natl Road driving

 

instructions?

 

> I'd like to follow as much of the original road as can be driven,

 

and I know

 

> if I just follow US40 I'll miss a lot.

 

>

 

> I do have the Karl Raitz road guide and, while it does have driving

 

> information, it's buried in the text. While the text is

 

interesting, it's

 

> cumbersome trying to distill the actual driving directions from the

 

historic

 

> and natural history information.

 

>

 

> Steve

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Guest Alex Burr

Plan a luncheon or dinner at Allisons in Dock Square, Kennebunkport. Been

 

there a few times as I live in Kennebunk.

 

 

 

Happy Travels

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex Burr

 

 

 

Fred Hazlehurst <fhazlehurst@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hello Group,

 

I'm new to the group (last week) and I'm really impressed with the volume of

 

mail & the useful info contained in the mailings! Having just semi-retired, my

 

wife and I are starting to think about some short 3-4 day road trips and our

 

first destination will probably be a return to Boston for some chowda' and then

 

maybe up to southern, coastal Maine (Ogunquit, Kennebunk) for some lobsta'. We

 

haven't been up there for years so a return trip is in order.

 

We usually take the interstates from central NJ because time is limited. Now

 

that our schedule is more "relaxed" I'm open to suggestions for a more

 

leisurely, scenic ride.

 

Any ideas for a more enjoyable ride will be appreciated.

 

Thanks all,

 

Fred Hazlehurst

 

 

 

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Guest Alex Burr

Actually, the site Kip is refering to, I beleive, is

 

this one:

 

 

 

http://www.route40.net/index.shtml

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- Rudyard Welborn <r.Welborn@worldnet.ATT.net>

 

wrote:

 

> There is a website for U.S. 40, I

 

> know....www.us40.com, I believe, or if

 

> you punch in U.S. 40 on a search, it will come

 

> up...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: "Steven Rider" <srider1@nycap.rr.com>

 

> To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:31 AM

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] National Road

 

>

 

>

 

> >

 

> > Does anyone know of an on-line source for Natl

 

> Road driving instructions?

 

> > I'd like to follow as much of the original road as

 

> can be driven, and I

 

> know

 

> > if I just follow US40 I'll miss a lot.

 

> >

 

> > I do have the Karl Raitz road guide and, while it

 

> does have driving

 

> > information, it's buried in the text. While the

 

> text is interesting, it's

 

> > cumbersome trying to distill the actual driving

 

> directions from the

 

> historic

 

> > and natural history information.

 

> >

 

> > Steve

 

> >

 

> >

 

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No, we didn't stray more than 2 or 3 blocks in any direction from the

 

Hampton because everything seemed to be right there. Didn't realize

 

there is an old bridge to walk. Very generous offer with the

 

tenderloin at The Diner. We'll probably be back next summer, as we

 

try to take in at least one Fever game each season.

 

 

 

Still Cruisin',

 

Bliss

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roadmaven" <roadmaven@a...>

 

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> While you were downtown, were you able to walk the old 1916 US 40

 

> bridge crossing White River downtown by the zoo? It is a great

 

place

 

> to stop and view the downtown skyline...especially at dusk.

 

> Let us know the next time you're coming through & we'll treat you

 

> to a tenderloin at The Diner on the westside. There's a little

 

> section of old National Road right by there that is bypassed by 40

 

> for a mile or so.

 

>

 

> Pat in Speedway

 

> http://theroadmaven.com

 

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> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "brownwho63" <wefly66@e...>

 

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> > Navigator and I just returned from a weekend trip on U.S. 40 to

 

> Indy

 

> > where we watched Katie Smith and the MN Lynx "thrash" the Fever

 

at

 

> > Conseco Fieldhouse. Stayed at the Hampton Inn Hotel on Meridian

 

> and

 

> > Maryland and were able to walk to Conseco and enjoy the downtown

 

> > ambiance before and after the

 

> > game.

 

> >

 

> > Anyway, we drove all of the old, old alignments again that we

 

could

 

> > find including the ones across forties(?) bridges crossing Deer

 

> Creek

 

> > and Walnut Creek -- east of Brazil somewhere. Also noticed that

 

> the

 

> > drive-in movie marquee just west of Plainfield is gone, even

 

though

 

> > it was there a year ago. Hate to see the old stuff like that go

 

> but

 

> > know it happens regularly. The INDIANA Theater in Terra Haute

 

> always

 

> > reminds me of the Coleman in Miami and is a wonderful

 

archetectural

 

> > structure. Great roads, great weekend!

 

> >

 

> > Still Cruisin',

 

> > Bliss

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Guest pogidude05

Hello group, I'm Mac from San Diego, Ca. I am new in here and very glad

 

that you accepted me into the group. My friends and I are planning to

 

have a Road Trip next Spring Break (2006). Our route will be from San

 

Diego, CA to Wichita, KS. I have some relatives and old friends in

 

Wichita. My other friend wants to visit his birthplace in Duncan, OK.

 

 

 

I decided to join this group to ask for any suggestions from

 

experienced long road travelers.

 

 

 

What are the best things that my friends and I should bring with us on

 

the trip?

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Guest Fred Zander

Hey Denny great pictures.Lived in Asheville in the mid 1960s. Started high

 

school there believe its Teays Valley High School. My Dad was stationed at

 

Lockbourne Air Force in Columbus,Ohio. Along time ago. Thanks Fred

 

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From: Denny Gibson

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:34 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Oldest working traffic light

 

 

 

 

 

Yesterday I stopped by Asheville Ohio to see the World's Oldest Traffic

 

Light. During the town's 4th of July celebration it leaves the museum and

 

hangs outside. I have a couple of pictures at

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/ashlgt and there is a link to a site with a movie

 

of the light in operation. I know that traffic lights probably aren't on

 

anyone's list of favorite things but this one is kinda cool.

 

 

 

Denny Gibson

 

Cincinnati, OH

 

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There is a website for U.S. 40, I know....www.us40.com, I believe, or if

 

you punch in U.S. 40 on a search, it will come up...Tsingtao, Kip Welborn

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "Steven Rider" <srider1@nycap.rr.com>

 

To: <AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com>

 

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:31 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] National Road

 

 

 

 

 

>

 

> Does anyone know of an on-line source for Natl Road driving instructions?

 

> I'd like to follow as much of the original road as can be driven, and I

 

know

 

> if I just follow US40 I'll miss a lot.

 

>

 

> I do have the Karl Raitz road guide and, while it does have driving

 

> information, it's buried in the text. While the text is interesting, it's

 

> cumbersome trying to distill the actual driving directions from the

 

historic

 

> and natural history information.

 

>

 

> Steve

 

>

 

>

 

> Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

>

 

> To subscribe to AMERICAN ROAD magazine, PHONE TOLL-FREE 1-877-285-5434

 

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Guest Tina Avery

Hello Group,

 

Just wanted to say thank you for accepting my husband and myself to the group.

 

Looking forward to traveling this great country of ours now that we both are

 

retired.

 

 

 

We will be traveling to the Avery family reunion in Russell Springs, Kansas this

 

September. Any ideas for stops along the way from Lakewood, Calif. to Kansas.

 

Also planning a trip back east to visit family and friends in Taunton, Mass. in

 

November.

 

 

 

Looking forward to getting some great suggestions from the group. Wishing

 

everyone a safe and wonderful 4th of July.

 

 

 

Tina Avery

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] AMERICAN ROAD MAGAZINE SUMMER 2005 E-NEWSLETTER

 

 

 

 

 

GREETINGS FROM AMERICAN ROAD AND HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!

 

 

 

This is a special edition of the e-newsletter as I typed most of it as we

 

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First, the AMERICAN ROAD staff would like to extend a hearty welcome to all

 

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-Lincoln Highway Association Conference in Ely, Nevada

 

 

 

-AMERICAN ROAD TWO-LANE TRIVIA (Question #1)

 

 

 

-US ROUTE 20 IN NEW YORK DESIGNATED AS SCENIC BYWAY

 

 

 

-CLASSIFIEDS

 

 

 

-WHO'S DRIVING CONTEST

 

 

 

-OHIO LINCOLN HIGHWAY BECOMES A 241 MILE-LONG "BUY-WAY" THIS

 

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Thursday a new Lincoln Highway pole marker--a replica of the early markers-

 

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banquet that evening capped off a great day, where we learned the 2006

 

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AUGUST

 

 

 

Coming in August, you will be able to shop from east to west or vice versa

 

across Ohio for just about any bargain you can dream of. The Ohio Lincoln

 

Highway Heritage Corridor (OLHHC) is planning a first-ever yard sale across

 

the state...from Thursday, August 11 through Saturday, August 13. Executive

 

Director Mike Hocker said, "we know that Route 127 Corridor's 'Longest Yard

 

Sale' has been successful over the years, creating lots of fun and increased

 

spending along that road, and so when Forest, Ohio's village administrator,

 

Chuck Brunkhart proposed this idea, many of the CVBs and chambers along

 

the Lincoln Highway Historic Byway got enthusiastic about having our own

 

"Buy-Way" corridor."

 

 

 

"We plan to organize for Ohio this year, but it is only natural to extend it

 

across

 

the eleven Lincoln Highway states next year for the first Transcontinental

 

Yard

 

Sale...3,390 miles across the U.S.!"

 

 

 

People interested in attending or participating should call the OLHHC at 419-

 

468-6773.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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THE GHOST FROM THE EAST COAST BUYS PALISADE, NEVADA

 

 

 

The sale of Palisade, the Nevada Ghost Town, at Greg Martin Auctions on

 

April 26 went very well and far exceeded the expectations of the consignors.

 

There was a large amount of interest - over 2000 people viewed Lot 2512 on

 

the Internet and several hundred were signed up to bid, including by phone

 

and online. In fact, interest surged at the last minute after numerous media

 

ran

 

this unusual and engaging story, the public's awareness was piqued, and

 

telephone calls on the Ghost Town came flooding in to Greg Martin Auctions a

 

few days prior to the sale.

 

 

 

The hammer price for the +160-acre Ghost Town of Palisade was $150,000,

 

which was sold promptly at 2 pm PDT at Greg Martin Auctions gallery in San

 

Francisco. (A Buyer's Premium adds another 12.5%, for a total price realized

 

of $168,750.) The winning bid was made by telephone. The buyer is

 

someone from the East who prefers not to be identified by name - rather, as

 

he said, only as "the Ghost from the East Coast."

 

 

 

Palisade's sellers' John Sexton and his brother Frank were very excited with

 

the sale's results, particularly when the bidding went past $100,000. In

 

contrast, John Sexton noted his mother had been offered $30,000 for the

 

property in 1994 by a descendant of someone buried in the Palisade

 

cemetery. Sexton hasn't been out to the property since 1972 when he was 16

 

years old, but he has very distinct memories of the Ghost Town from past

 

visits

 

- of the fragrant smell of sage in the air after the rain, of Mason jars still

 

filled

 

with preserves in the ruins of old cellars, and of many rattlesnakes coiled up

 

in the sun as his family drove by.

 

 

 

According to Greg Martin after the sale, the East Coast buyer is not quite

 

sure

 

what he is going to do with the Palisade Ghost Town, but he bought it

 

because it "struck his fancy." "This is not just a bare piece of land with

 

nothing

 

on it," said Martin. "This is a historic property, and just like a collector's

 

item, it

 

has a unique provenance. Palisade is not just dirt, it's history."

 

 

 

Located 27 miles southwest of Elko in northeast Nevada's Eureka County, the

 

town of Palisade has an intriguing and event-filled past in its short history,

 

most of it tied to the boom-&-bust times of the railroad in the late 19th and

 

early 20th centuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TRAVELERS CAN ONCE AGAIN GRAB A CUP OF JO AT THE BLUE MOON

 

 

 

The Gilmore Car Museum, near Kalamazoo, MI, begins its 39th season with

 

the opening of three new exhibit buildings and its authentic 1941 Diner. For

 

nearly 60 years and countless cups of coffee the Blue Moon Diner was a

 

Connecticut roadside landmark. Last summer this remarkably well preserved

 

piece of roadside Americana traveled over 790 miles to its new home at the

 

Gilmore Car

 

Museum, where it has been restored and will again serve guests typical diner

 

fare.

 

 

 

The new exhibit buildings, each resembling a historic barn, were completed

 

last year and increased the size of the museum by nearly fifty percent. With

 

over 240 vehicles under the Museum's stewardship, the expanded facility

 

was a necessity-they had simply run out of space. Visitors can

 

anticipate seeing nearly 200 autos arranged by decades in the new exhibits

 

as well as "Kalamazoo-the OTHER Motor City," featuring automobiles such

 

as the Checker, Roamer, and Barley, which were built in the nearby

 

Kalamazoo.

 

 

 

One of the new structures was built for the Pierce-Arrow Museum and houses

 

several examples of the famed Pierce-Arrow luxury cars. The second new

 

structure is an octagonal addition to the 1890s barn that is home to the

 

Classic Car Club of America Museum.

 

 

 

If you're planning to stop in the museum on Sunday, July 10, 2005 you will

 

experience the fifteenth "invasion" by the British to strike the Gilmore Car

 

Museum in the same number of years as the Museum will once again serve

 

as the site for the Mad Dogs & Englishmen's British Auto Faire, open to the

 

public from 9 am to 5 pm.

 

 

 

This annual car show presents the largest gathering of British-built

 

automobiles and motorcycles of all eras, from luxury models and sports cars

 

to this year's featured make - Sunbeam. At this year's auto faire, spectators

 

are sure to see many fine examples from Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Rolls

 

Royce, as well as Triumph, MG, Land Rover and others.

 

 

 

The Gilmore Car Museum opened for the 2005 season on May 1st with daily

 

hours of 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 pm and until 6 pm on weekends. Located in the

 

heart of west Michigan, the museum is midway between Kalamazoo, Grand

 

Rapids, and Battle Creek, on M-43 and Hickory Road.

 

 

 

To learn more about the Gilmore Car Museum visit: http://<http:///>

 

www.GilmoreCarMuseum.org or call the museum at 269-671-5089.

 

 

 

 

 

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Chicago Southland Convention & Visitors Bureau

 

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Cody, WY (Buffalo Bill's Cody/Yellowstone Country)

 

- <http://www.yellowstonecountry.org/>

 

Ely Northern Railway/White Pine Chamber

 

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Flashback Malt Shoppe & Gifts

 

- <http://www.flashbackinseaside.com/>

 

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Fond du Lac, WI

 

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Gilmore Car Museum

 

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Heritage Corridor, Illinois

 

- <http://www.heritagecorridorcvb.com/>

 

Historic National Road, Illinois

 

- <http://www.nationalroad.org/>

 

Jeff Herman, Sign Collector

 

Lincoln Highway Trading Post

 

- <http://www.lhtp.com/>

 

Logan County, CO

 

- <http://www.logancountychamber.org/>

 

Missouri Division of Tourism

 

- <http://www.visitmo.com/>

 

Mobil Travel Guide

 

- <http://www.mobiltravelguide.com/>

 

Motorbooks International

 

- <http://www.motorbooks.com/>

 

Munger Moss Motel

 

- <http://www.mungermoss.com/>

 

National Historic Route 66 Federation

 

- <http://www.national66.org/>

 

Noble County Convention & Visitors Bureau

 

- <http://www.visitnoblecounty.com/>

 

Ohio's Historic West

 

- <http://www.ohioshistoricwest.com/>

 

Oklahoma Route 66 Association

 

- <http://www.oklahomaroute66.com/>

 

101 Cafe

 

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Ollie's Shirt Factory

 

Oshkosh Convention & Visitors Bureau

 

- <http://www.oshkoshcvb.org/>

 

Paccom Films

 

- <http://www.66films.com/>

 

Pennsylvania Route 6

 

- <http://www.paroute6.com/>

 

Roadside Gallery

 

- <http://www.roadsidegallery.com/>

 

Roadworks Gifts & Souvenirs

 

- <http://www.route66roadworks.com/>

 

Stackpole Books

 

- <http://www.stackpolebooks.com/>

 

Stevens Point Plover

 

- <http://www.stevenspointarea.com/>

 

Tony Craig Art Gallery

 

- <http://www.tonycraig.net/>

 

Tucumcari on 66

 

- <http://www.tucumcarinm.com/>

 

Twisters 50s Soda Fountain

 

- <http://www.rout66place.com/>

 

US Route 6 Tourist Association

 

- <http://www.route6tour.com/>

 

University of New Mexico Press

 

- <http://www.unmpress/>

 

Yellowstone Trail Association

 

- <http://www.yellowstonetrail.org/>

 

 

 

 

 

PARK PLACE: Your curbside calendar (to submit your events for the

 

calendar e-mail becky@mockturtlepress.com. Calendar listings are offered on

 

a first come, first serve basis.)

 

 

 

 

 

July 3, 2005 - August 21, 2005, Montezuma, KS-Smith Kramer traveling

 

exhibition "Return to Route 66: Photographs from the Mother Road by Shellee

 

Graham". The Stuath Memorial Museum is proud to host this display that

 

captures the essence of the Mother Road. Visit the museum's website at

 

http://<http:///>

 

www.stauthmemorialmuseum.org for a brief overview of the exhibition or

 

phone (620)846-2527.

 

 

 

July 8-10, Seaside, Oreg.-Bikefest at Seaside. Going Coastal on US 101?

 

Go to Seaside-one of the oldest vacation destinations on the West coast.

 

You'll find a bike show, welcome party, the beach, vendors, live

 

entertainment,and an opportunity to win a new Harley Davidson Sportster

 

Motorcycle. Proceeds benefit prostate cancer research. Call 503-717-8530 or

 

check out http:/ /www.flashbackinseaside.com for details.

 

 

 

July 10, Collinsville, Ill.-The World's Largest Catsup Bottle Summerfest

 

Birthday Party & Car Show Bash. Travelers on the National Road will find fun

 

for the whole family at this event! Don't forget to enter your 3-6 year old in

 

the

 

Little Princess Tomato or Little Sir Catsup pageant. Be sure to pay staffers a

 

visit at the AMERICAN ROAD booth. Brought to you by -Downtown

 

Collinsville, Inc. Main Street Program. Phone 618.345.5598. Visit

 

http://<http:///>

 

www.catsupbottlesummerfest.com.

 

 

 

July 14. Everett, Ohio-Everett Road Covered Bridge Dance. Join Strings and

 

Things and caller Carol Kopp for the annual covered bridge dance. The fun

 

starts at 7:00 pm. Come for the music or the dance-be sure to dress

 

comfortably and wear sturdy shoes! Suggested donation is $6.00. Contact

 

Cuyahoga Valley National Park 1-800-445-9667.

 

 

 

 

 

July 17th, Seattle Wash.-The 2005 Fairview Car Show Festival. Come enjoy

 

an afternoon (10 am to 3 pm) of cool cars, fun friends, activities for the

 

kids,

 

and great music from the 50s, 60s, and 70s! Located at 844 NE 78th Street.

 

(Registration fee for cars; spectators are free.) Proceeds go to Northwest

 

Hospital. Call 206-363-5884 to register cars.

 

 

 

July 17-23. Freedom Road Rally will host a week long vintage car road rally

 

traveling the back roads and highways of America's heartland. Vehicles,

 

ranging in years from 1903 to 1974 qualify. The entry fee for the 2005 event

 

will be $1,400 which will include hotels, admission into various

 

transportation

 

museums, and some dinners. Visit

 

<http://www.freedomroadrally.com/> for

 

details.

 

 

 

AUGUST 6-7. Pontiac, Ill.-Rock `N Rods on Route 66. Cars, motorcycles and

 

more! See the world's wildest motorcycle-Roadog and a rare exhibit-an

 

original 1948 Tucker Torpedo. Take a trolley ride to the Illinois Route 66

 

Museum and be entertained by several live bands including the Fireballs (#1

 

hit Sugar Shack). Visit

 

<http://www.rocknrodson66.com./.>

 

 

 

August 20. Huntington Woods, Mich.-The Woodward Dream Cruise. Enjoy a

 

classic car show featuring over 30,000 classic cars. This annual event covers

 

16 miles along Woodward Avenue-America's first paved street. Sponsored

 

by the cities of Berkley, Birmingham, Ferndale, Huntington Ridge, Pleasant

 

Ridge, Pontiac and Royal Oak the event includes music, activities for the

 

kids,

 

a sock hop and plenty of food. Call 1-888-4WDC-1963.

 

 

 

September 9 - 11, Flagstaff, Ariz.-Flagstaff Route 66 Days ~ The first annual

 

event that celebrates the heart of Route 66 in Flagstaff. Beat the desert heat

 

and join us for the fun in the pines in the legendary Arizona High Country.

 

Something for everybody! Cars, Motorcycles, Entertainment, Food, Drink,

 

Prizes and Surprises!

 

<http://www.flagstaffroute66days.com./.>

 

 

 

September 10. Barstow Calif. ~ The Miss Route 66 Pageant 9:00 a.m. to 3:00

 

p.m. at Gil's Place, downtown Main Street (Route 66!). The Pageant is open

 

to all ages, for anyone who has traveled along route 66 with twelve divisions

 

from children - seniors. No duties are required, custom Route 66 Crowns,

 

Route 66 tiaras and empbroidered sashes, Route 66 medallions, and

 

opportunity to participate in the San Bernardino Rendezvous 2005 are part of

 

the prize package. Contestants may wear sports attire and Route 66 "heyday"

 

costumes are welcome. Pictures of the 2004/2005 royalty and more info may

 

be found at the Barstow Route 66 Mother Road Museum 760-255-1890 or

 

contact Kris Watson

 

 

 

September 9, 10, 11. Springfield, Missouri.- FESTIVAL 66: The Route 66

 

Association of Missouri's 15th Annual Motor Tour commences in Springfield,

 

MO and ends at the Red Cedar Inn in Pacific, MO. Tour registration starts at

 

4:00 p.m. Friday (9/9) at the Rail Haven Motel in Springfield. Events include

 

a

 

poker Run to Cuba, dinner Saturday night at the Fairgrounds in Cuba, a tour

 

of Bob' s Gasoline Alley and the Crawford County Historical Society and

 

Museum. The Motor Tour ends with a lunch at the Red Cedar Inn. An

 

excellent chance to see the "Show Me" State with your fellow 66ers! For

 

information please contact Jane Dippel (314-843-7132) E-mail:

 

Vestaon66@cs.com.

 

 

 

 

 

September 10. Lebanon, Missouri.-Fifth Annual Route 66 Festival. Rev up

 

your engines at this festival. Festivities take place at the Library and

 

Museum

 

located on South Jefferson and enjoy the car parade and car show.

 

Numerous showings of American Graffiti will run throughout the day. Meet

 

Route 66 authors and be sure to stop by the AMERICAN ROAD booth!

 

Contact Gail Bryant at the Civic Center for details at 417-532-4642.

 

 

 

September 15-18, San Bernardino, Calif.-San Bernardino Rendezvous, The

 

16th annual San Bernardino Rendezvous highlights include the Route 66

 

Hall of Fame, and the John Steinbeck Awards Banquet, sponsored by the

 

Historic Route 66 Federation. AMERICAN ROAD magazine staff will be at the

 

event-just look for the folks wearing the American Road denim shirts!

 

 

 

September 11-16. Red Lodge, Mont.-Going to the Sun Rally. Shift into full

 

gear and take a vintage auto tour across Montana highlighting the Beartooth

 

Highway, Yellowstone National Park and Glacier National Park's Going to the

 

Sun Road. Up to thirty teams may enter the event (driver and co-driver) in

 

cars

 

built in 1969 or earlier. Entry fees for each team, $2,500, cover all

 

accommodations, meals, entertainment, trip support and emergency services.

 

The trip will benefit the Montana charities.

 

 

 

September 17-18. Everett, Penn.-Tenth (almost) Annual Lincoln Highway

 

Road Rally "Murder on the Lincoln Highway." In addition to experiencing the

 

exhibits, murals and pumps that are part of the Lincoln Highway 200-Mile

 

Roadside Museum, attendees will test their crime solving abilities with a

 

Lincoln Highway Murder Mystery during dinner in Chambersburg on the 17th.

 

Clues will be at each exhibit stop on the way to Chambersburg that evening.

 

The cost is $40 for adults and $15 for children. Contact the Lincoln Highway

 

Heritage Corridor at 724-238-9030 to register and for information on lodging.

 

 

 

 

 

September 23. Stroud, Okla.-Celebrating 66 years on Route 66-Long live

 

the Rock Cafe! The Rock Cafe big birthday celebration will be for the whole

 

weekend.Events are being planned now. For more information visit the web

 

site: www.rockcaferoute66.com.

 

 

 

September 24. Azusa, Calif.-The 3rd Annual Neon Sign Fall Cruise. All

 

motorists are invited to enjoy this annual after-dark sightseeing tour along

 

Route 66 across five inland California Foothill cities. Arrive anytime from

 

6:30

 

to 9:00 P.M. for check-in. Using the new Five-city Route 66 Neon Cruise

 

brochure proceed at your own pace to a midcourse stop hosted by Vons, then

 

the final destination at the Elks Lodge in Pomona. Proceeds help Route 66

 

Tourism put up more illuminated signs along Route 66. For more information

 

contact

 

Bob Lundy, 909-383-1256(T&F) or

 

<http://www.route66tourism.org./.>

 

 

 

October 16-19. Cleveland, Ohio.-Rock and Road 2005-National Scenic

 

Byways Conference. This biannual conference brings together nearly 500

 

members of the America's Byways Community to learn about the newest and

 

best byway practices. AMERICAN ROAD staff will man a booth-pay us a

 

visit! Check out <http://www.bywaysonline.org/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Russell S. Rein

One of my treats while roadtripping in Indiana and Ohio is being

 

able to get a Tenderloin sandwich - they even had 'em at

 

McDonalds in Fort Wayne! Can't find em' anywhere in

 

Michigan and folks from here don't know anything about it.

 

 

 

slim

 

 

 

"......we'll treat you to a tenderloin at The Diner on the westside."

 

 

 

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Guest Jim Conkle

We have openings for Authors/Artists/Vendors/Associations at this year’s

 

event to be held on September 16th thru 19th. If anyone is interested

 

contact me or Helen Baker for more information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or come and show your car, be a spectator or just to have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully all the people involved with the road will be here in 2005 but why

 

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Guest Pat B.

Hi all....Finally back home and settled after being away since June

 

25. We had a great time at the Route 66 Classic Car Show in

 

Litchfield, IL on the 25th. Although it was a bit muggy that day, the

 

trip out US 40 and through some various state & county roads between

 

Effingham and Litchfield was enjoyable. Jennifer & I had dinner at

 

the Ariston Cafe that evening with Tom & Susan Miller, Randy & Melody

 

May, Jim Ross, and Shellee Graham before heading to the Sky View

 

Drive In for a showing of American Grafitti, with stars Paul Lemat

 

and Cindy Williams in attendence.

 

 

 

Sunday, it was on to Cedar Rapids, Iowa for a regional Corvair

 

convention there. I was travelling solo on this Iowa trip, so I said

 

good bye to Jennifer and the Corvairs of mine and the Millers 66'd up

 

to Springfield, then took the "Evil I" from Springfield to Quincy,

 

IL, where we took some of the Great River Road up to Niota, IL where

 

we crossed into Iowa at Ft. Madison for lunch (where I had an Iowa

 

chop sammich). From there we meandered our way over to US 218 and

 

took it up to Cedar Rapids, arriving around 4pm. After my travel

 

mates and I checked into our motel, I decided to venture out and

 

drive up to where the convention was to be held at the Marriott.

 

Since the convention didn't officially start until Tuesday, I wasn't

 

sure if there would be anyone there yet. I did find 3 other Corvairs

 

in the parking lot, and to my luck one known in the Corvair community

 

as "Darth Vair", owned by Chuck Armer of Georgia:

 

http://www.corvaircorsa.com/armer01.html

 

This was my first chance to see a car I've heard a lot about, and as

 

the link shows, it's a nearly flawless 40 year old beauty (It placed

 

1st in Concours at the convention). Chuck's car is the standard by

 

which I plan on modeling the restoration of my '65 after.

 

 

 

Monday, it was off to Marshalltown, Iowa for a little racing. There

 

were 20-some Corvairs on hand for time trials at a local carting

 

track out there. We took US 30 out on the 75 mile trip from CR. After

 

witnessing an afternoon of racing, I left early and made my way back

 

east and explored some old alignments of the Lincoln Highway. I had

 

to use some of my own instincts to figure out where some of the

 

alignments were, as, unfortunately, Iowa's Lincoln Highway signage

 

has a lot of catching up to do in comparison to Illinois. But my

 

instincts were on target most of the time. I found the old Lincoln

 

Highway bridge in Tama, IA, which helped me retrace the LH back to

 

the west: http://www.lincolnhighwayassoc.org/info/ia/tama_bridge.jpg

 

Back in CR, I made my way up to the Marriott to register for the show

 

and mingle with some of the 18 members from my local Corvair club

 

that also made the trip to CR. Strong storms made there way through

 

in the evening, but had departed before the end of the night.

 

 

 

Tuesday was show day. The Concours, People's Choice, and Valve Cover

 

races were going on that day. I entered my valve cover racer, but got

 

knocked out in the 2nd Round by a kid. Oh well, my racer's still

 

undefeated on my "home track". After checking out the 100-plus cars

 

on hand and rummaging through the parts the vendors brought, we made

 

our way to the Cedar Brewing Company for dinner:

 

http://www.cedarbrewing.com We finished off the evening in the

 

parking lot around the cars talking "Corvair stuff".

 

 

 

Wednesday was the Economy Run, where there were 20-some cars entered.

 

Basically, an "econo run" tests the mileage of your car on a route

 

provided by the convention. The 83.7 mile route took me through the

 

rolling hills (no, not ALL of Iowa is flat!) of east central Iowa.

 

All the entrants had to fill up at the same gas station. They are

 

then given the route instructions (I *really* could've used a

 

navigator with me!) and a car is released from the starting line

 

every 3 minutes. My '65 did really well, as I "nursed" the throttle

 

and had the windows rolled up the whole trip...and no, I don't have

 

AC and it was in the mid 80's when I completed the course! After I

 

returned to the gas station, an official filled up my tank with 2.767

 

gallons, which came out to 30.2 mpg. They had the cars in 2 classes:

 

Automatics and Manual transmissions. At the time I refueled I was

 

sitting in 3rd place in the Automatic class. So I was pretty happy

 

with my car's performance. Later in the afternoon the week was

 

catching up with me, so I went back to the motel and called it a day

 

at 5. After a nap, I took off on my own and drove around CR to check

 

out what the city had to offer. I did find some decent neon that

 

you'll find posted on our website, when I get around to scanning the

 

6 rolls of film I took this week!

 

 

 

Thursday was road rally day. Since I didn't have a navigator with me

 

this week, I road with Tom & Susan. It was fun...a lot like the econo

 

run, but we were given a list of "fill in the blanks" from signs we'd

 

be encountering on the trip. We think we did pretty well, but haven't

 

heard the results, since we didn't stick around for Friday night's

 

banquet. Thursday night was a designated cruise-in night, where we

 

caravaned to a local cruise-in at an auto parts store. We had 37

 

Corvairs make the trek to the show. Back at the motel, Tom & I

 

encountered some young lads who were glad to see us. They're in the

 

process of making an independent film called "30 The Movie". It's

 

about a 30 year old guy who comes across some money, jumps in his

 

Corvair, and takes US 30 from Atlantic City to Oregon. They just

 

happened to end their filming for the day in Cedar Rapids and had no

 

idea there was a Corvair convention in town, as they had their '65 on

 

a trailer. They were glad to see us because they were having

 

transmission troubles and they needed some help. We told them the

 

vendors would still be at the Marriott Friday morning and the racing

 

guys who could help them work on it would be at the nearby speedway.

 

So they were glad they happened to be staying at the same motel we

 

were, or else they'd never had known there were 300 other Corvair

 

enthusiasts in town. Here's a link to their site:

 

http://30themovie.com/

 

 

 

Friday it was time to leave...but not after some more racing. Temps

 

were actually pleasant in the morning, in comparison to the 90's it

 

had been throughout the week. The Autocross was held at Hawkeye

 

Downs, a half mile paved oval on the south side of CR. There were

 

nearly 30 Corvairs on hand. I knew I couldn't stay for the whole

 

event, as I had to get on the road back to Indiana by 11 am. I stuck

 

around long enough to see the first 2 groups make their runs,

 

highlighted by Warren Leveque's tricked-out 1960 Corvair, which

 

circled the 1/2 mile oval and 1/4 mile oval in 39 seconds. The

 

circuit consisted of a trip around the 1/2 mile oval, then blend into

 

the 1/4 mile oval, both together consisting of 1 lap. Warren can be

 

looked at as the Mario Andretti in the Corvair racing community.

 

Anything he gets in, he makes it go fast...faster than anyone else

 

can. I hit the road and took US 30 east through Iowa, and crossed

 

into Illinois at Clinton, where I then hooked up with US 52 and took

 

it back to Indy from there. I made a stop at the Launching Pad in

 

Wilmington, IL for a shake, then sidetracked to Braidwood for a

 

burger & onion rings at the Polka Dot Drive-In...I like to spread the

 

wealth. :-) Finally pulled into Indy a little after 9pm, just in

 

time to get enough sleep for another trip!

 

 

 

We had planned on taking a little July 4th weekend trip so we could

 

both get away, since I went solo to Iowa. I left it to Jennifer where

 

we'd go, and the winner was: Nashville, TN. We had been through

 

there, but never stopped there, so we decided to check it out since

 

it was just a 300 mile trip. We took US 421 out of Indy and made a

 

stop in Madison, IN for some fudge at our favorite fudge shop:

 

http://madisonfudgefactory.com/ The Madison Regatta was happening

 

this weekend, so we got to see some of the power boats doing their

 

thing on the Ohio River as we crossed on 421. We took that down to

 

the Bluegrass Parkway in Kentucky over to US 31W. We stopped off at

 

the Wigwam Village in Cave City, only to find a banner stating "Back

 

By Popular Demand...Under New Management". This made us a little

 

nervous, as we knew how hard owner Ivan John worked to bring the

 

Wigwam back to its former glory. We found a young man, appearing to

 

be in his 20's, behind the counter. We had brought the American Road

 

issue from last year that featured the Wigwam as the Memory Motel to

 

give to Ivan. We asked the young man if he was the owner and he said

 

he and his uncle were. They purchased it from Ivan this past April,

 

as he retired and moved to Hawaii. We showed him the magazine, told

 

him who we were, and he seemed very grateful we brought the magazine

 

by. He seemed like a bright guy, so Jennifer & I seemed to think

 

later Ivan wouldn't have sold it to anyone who didn't share his

 

vision. Time will tell. We rolled into Nashville early in the evening

 

and finally found a good mom & pop motel on US 70S in town. The

 

Midway Motel was a nice little place, as the owner graciously let us

 

look at a room first. It was clean, no bugs, and the king size bed

 

had its own zip code! However, just looking for picture of the place

 

on Google, I found a story where someone was murdered there last

 

August...3 rooms down from ours. Gee, that soiled our view of the

 

place! OK, we then went downtown to Broadway where all the honky

 

tonks are. The crowd down there was unique...a mix of halter tops and

 

cowboy hats, women passing out passes to their "clubs", and a couple

 

of party buses driving around. The neon was pretty good though. We

 

ate dinner at the Hard Rock Cafe and then called it a night.

 

 

 

Sunday we headed west out of Nashville on US 70. Don't ask me to

 

retrace this route, as it covered just about every state and US

 

highway between Nashville and Frankfort, KY! Jennifer had some fun

 

with Streets & Trips planning this trip, but it was worth it in the

 

end. We saw some awesome scenery that you wouldn't have seen on the

 

interstate...and we even ran over a snake slithering across the road.

 

Just don't anyone tell Bob Waldmire about it, OK? And thanks to

 

Denny Gibson, we stopped in at Penn's Store for some good local chat:

 

http://www.pennsstore.com/ The place is as deep in the hills of

 

Kentucky as one could get, but the stop was worth it. We then headed

 

toward the town of High Bridge, KY. Named after the railroad bridge

 

crossing the Kentucky River:

 

http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_170_so_young's_high_bridge_ty

 

rone_ky_1977.jpg

 

It was getting late in the day, and although we had intended on being

 

back in Indy by nightfall, we were looking at 11 pm at the earliest,

 

so we decided to find a place for the night. We pulled off at a motel

 

off US 31 in Clarksville, IN.

 

 

 

Today, we took US 150 west and had a decent breakfast at Frannie's

 

Diner in Palmyra, IN. We were getting anxious to get home, so we took

 

IN-337 to Orleans where we jumped on IN-37 up to Indy, with a stop in

 

Bedford for frozen custard.

 

 

 

So here I am after spending well over an hour on this post, 4 pieces

 

of pizza later, and 2 cherry Pepsis. This just might be the longest

 

note ever on this group! I'll post a note in the weeks to come when I

 

get all my pics from the past 10 days scanned and up on our website.

 

Until then, see ya down the road!

 

 

 

Pat B.

 

Speedway, IN

 

http://roadtripmemories.com

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Camera.

 

AAA or other national Auto Club Card.

 

Road Atlas.

 

Swim Trunks.

 

Recharagable NiMH batteries with a Car recharger.

 

Flashlight.

 

A personal timewaster like a book or video game.

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

Sorry but Zanesville is another one of those semi-nearby places where I've

 

never spent the night. Baker's looks OK and I think it would the first place

 

I'd look if I needed a bed in Zanesville but I have absolutely no personal

 

experience with it. You should also know that I'm not a 5 star hotel sort of

 

guy. I do have one picture but the motel wasn't the primary subject. The

 

picture was taken from the grounds of the museum (so that shows how close it

 

is) for use in a panorama of the museum and the two highways it sits

 

between.

 

 

 

The panorama is at

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/DayTrips/Trip5/index.htm#section4

 

and a somewhat higher resolution version of just the motel is at

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/dt/BM-ZV.jpeg

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Pat B. [mailto:roadmaven@aol.com]

 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:58 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Zanesville OH/National Road motels

 

>

 

>

 

> Jabba,

 

> I've been by it a couple of times (never stayed), but the Baker's a 5

 

sta

 

> Motel is right across the street from the Zane Grey Museum between

 

> Zanesville and Cambridge. It's an oldie, but I'm not certain of its

 

> quality. Perhaps we have some Buckeyes who can elaborate? Here's their

 

> website: http://www.bakersmotel.com/

 

>

 

>

 

> Pat B.

 

> Speedway, IN

 

> http://roadtripmemories.com

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "okydokey89" <okydokey@a...>

 

> wrote:

 

> > Hi All,

 

> >

 

> > We are planning a weekend trip to do some of the National Road in

 

> OH.

 

> > I got info for Zanesville and saw advertisements for the Nighty-Nite

 

> > and Sycamore motels. Has anyone stayed there or have any pictures or

 

> > comments? Would appreciate any input!

 

> >

 

> > Thanks in Advance,

 

> > Jabba

 

>

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Guest Dave Johnsen

Denny,

 

 

 

That sounds like a great route that the landrunner has planned for you. I

 

have a few things to add...

 

 

 

1.) Remember that the Wigwam Motel is in Holbrook. I'd try to plan an

 

overnight stop there. I loved it, but that was back in 1990, so if anyone

 

has more recent experience, please chime in.

 

 

 

2.) Be sure to allow extra time if you run 89A (which is also signed with

 

brown & white historic US 89A signs) from Cottonwood to Prescott. The road

 

snakes its way up through Jerome and over Mingus Mountain (a climb of 3,500

 

feet on the east side). It's a fantastic drive, but the hairpins will slow

 

you down quite a bit. As you're driving up, just remember that I rode a

 

bicycle there, which was a whole lot slower! Prescott is a nice city with

 

lots of history and a neat courthouse square.

 

 

 

3.) SR 260 is also a great drive if you want to cut some distance (unless

 

your heart is set on 66). From Eagar, it goes up over 9,000 feet into the

 

White Mountains, then runs along the Mogollon Rim (up and down it a few

 

times), all through national forests. It's much more scenic than I-40, but

 

there isn't as much roadside development. It depends on what you're looking

 

for. The only catch is that you'll hit 89A in Cottonwood where you'll have

 

to choose between going north to Sedona or south to Prescott.

 

 

 

4.) For explorations in Arizona or elsewhere in the West, I highly recommend

 

GTR Mapping's topographic recreational maps. They are very detailed with

 

many backroads.

 

http://www.gtrmapping.com/topo_rec_maps/topo_rec_maps.html

 

 

 

If you want to check out some photos from Eagar to Prescott by way of SR

 

260, SR 89A and SR 89, please visit my cross-country bicycle tour web site.

 

Eagar was on Day 54:

 

http://www.targetedsoftware.com/cycling/c2c/photos/0421.html

 

SR 89A and Prescott were on Day 58:

 

http://www.targetedsoftware.com/cycling/c2c/photos/0425.html

 

And of course, you're welcome to check out the entire trip, which has daily

 

reports and many roadside photos:

 

http://www.targetedsoftware.com/cycling/c2c/index.html

 

 

 

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Guest Larry

Hey Denny, I remember my 1st year in Jr High School..and during summer break, my

 

family and I stopped off in Zanesville for the night going cross country to

 

California. Not much to talk about either,except for the very wet weather and

 

for the small flood we had in the back of our Mercury station wagon :/

 

 

 

Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote:Sorry but Zanesville is another one

 

of those semi-nearby places where I've

 

never spent the night. Baker's looks OK and I think it would the first place

 

I'd look if I needed a bed in Zanesville but I have absolutely no personal

 

experience with it. You should also know that I'm not a 5 star hotel sort of

 

guy. I do have one picture but the motel wasn't the primary subject. The

 

picture was taken from the grounds of the museum (so that shows how close it

 

is) for use in a panorama of the museum and the two highways it sits

 

between.

 

 

 

The panorama is at

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/DayTrips/Trip5/index.htm#section4

 

and a somewhat higher resolution version of just the motel is at

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/dt/BM-ZV.jpeg

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Pat B. [mailto:roadmaven@aol.com]

 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:58 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Zanesville OH/National Road motels

 

>

 

>

 

> Jabba,

 

> I've been by it a couple of times (never stayed), but the Baker's a 5

 

sta

 

> Motel is right across the street from the Zane Grey Museum between

 

> Zanesville and Cambridge. It's an oldie, but I'm not certain of its

 

> quality. Perhaps we have some Buckeyes who can elaborate? Here's their

 

> website: http://www.bakersmotel.com/

 

>

 

>

 

> Pat B.

 

> Speedway, IN

 

> http://roadtripmemories.com

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "okydokey89" <okydokey@a...>

 

> wrote:

 

> > Hi All,

 

> >

 

> > We are planning a weekend trip to do some of the National Road in

 

> OH.

 

> > I got info for Zanesville and saw advertisements for the Nighty-Nite

 

> > and Sycamore motels. Has anyone stayed there or have any pictures or

 

> > comments? Would appreciate any input!

 

> >

 

> > Thanks in Advance,

 

> > Jabba

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Mary Fairchild

Willy,you should be a writer. You describe the scenery

 

very well. Thanks for the (virtual) trip. Mary in

 

NE Okla

 

 

 

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wrote: <<<snipped>>>>

 

 

 

> My father's side is from So. Oregon, so we make this

 

> drive

 

> every other year all the way to Colorado through

 

> Utah - Salt Lake.

 

> Sometimes So Oregon through Reno East to Utah,

 

> sometimes, So Oregon

 

> East to Idaho then south, sometimes So Oregon using

 

> Winnemucca to

 

> the Ocean highway coming East though (Hwy 139/140 in

 

> Oregon)

 

>

 

> Depending on where you are going/coming from...there

 

> is some of the

 

> most beautiful but desolate scenery here and

 

> isolation at its best.

 

> Great for a long motorcycle cruise. Fast Driving in

 

> a hot car.

 

> Or if you are making time in a Motorhome, a nice

 

> nap.

 

> I am usually for the first two, but have traveled

 

> with family

 

> who are into the latter.

 

>

 

> There are some hills, some sand dunes, some salt

 

> dunes.

 

> If you travelling US Highways - 93, 95, 97, 20, 30

 

> are all good

 

> solid non cliff type drives for Motorhomes. If you

 

> superslab I - 80,

 

> there is just the great geology of the area in

 

> Nevada into Utah, some

 

> hill climbs and descents, but nothing too scary or

 

> "cliffed".

 

>

 

> Heck, I have seen some interesting UFO objects in

 

> the sky even.

 

> The wildlife, though you may not think it is there,

 

> is simply

 

> awesome, if you take the time to look. I would look

 

> up

 

> the National Wildlife Refuges in the areas.

 

> Wild horse, burros, antelope and elk along with

 

> major bird

 

> migration populations are abundent in these Wildlife

 

> Refuges.

 

> Great photo ops and bird watching.

 

>

 

> There are some mining exhibits to see in Nevada and

 

> Utah. The

 

> Lincoln Highway and old alignments to follow or

 

> find. I have walked

 

> in the Salt Lake Desert to feel the salt in my toes.

 

> If you are

 

> coming So. Oregon through

 

> CA to Reno and over, Mount Shasta and the volcanic

 

> region in NE

 

> California off Hwy 97 is awesome if you are into

 

> that.

 

>

 

> If you have "vertigo", the State Highways in Oregon,

 

> Idaho and

 

> Nevada, do have some twisting and winding, cliff

 

> side drives, it

 

> just depends on the highway.

 

>

 

> If you love casinos or casinos on Indian

 

> Reservations, there are

 

> plenty of those in Oregon, Nevada. Wendover, Utah is

 

> a nice little

 

> gambling town. Winnemucca, Nevada too...has the old

 

> town charm.

 

> Elko, Nevada is a great ole mining and railroad

 

> town.

 

>

 

> The Bonneville Salt Flats in Western Utah are

 

> something to see, if

 

> people are a racing there. Try taking a car, and

 

> going as fast as

 

> humanly possible. It is a site to see a rocket car,

 

> go 200-300mph

 

> and kick up a bit of salt dust.

 

>

 

> If you go east to Idaho and south, US 20 and 30

 

> though desolate

 

> drives, have an interesting desert charm, I have

 

> seen rattlers

 

> and antelope cross these roads before. If you decide

 

 

 

>

 

> Not sure what you are in to, but hope that helps.

 

> Your roadie pal from Colorado,

 

>

 

> 66 Willy

 

> Dave Willman

 

 

 

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I stopped at the museum a couple or so years back

 

when I was headed for Illinois - but I cheated. I

 

took the exit off I-70, drove down to get some photos

 

of the S bridge, then went back to the museum.

 

Somewhere in there I got a picture of a Mail Pouch

 

Tobacco barn.

 

 

 

The only problem with the museum is that there is

 

absolutely so much to see and absorb - it's really

 

well done and well maintained. Right down to the

 

diorama documenting the history of the National Road

 

from Indian Days to present. That's fascinating.

 

 

 

Safe and Happy Travels, folks.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

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--- Larry <gttlblrry@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> Hey Denny, I remember my 1st year in Jr High

 

> School..and during summer break, my family and I

 

> stopped off in Zanesville for the night going cross

 

> country to California. Not much to talk about

 

> either,except for the very wet weather and for the

 

> small flood we had in the back of our Mercury

 

> station wagon :/

 

>

 

> Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote:Sorry but

 

> Zanesville is another one of those semi-nearby

 

> places where I've

 

> never spent the night. Baker's looks OK and I think

 

> it would the first place

 

> I'd look if I needed a bed in Zanesville but I have

 

> absolutely no personal

 

> experience with it. You should also know that I'm

 

> not a 5 star hotel sort of

 

> guy. I do have one picture but the motel wasn't the

 

> primary subject. The

 

> picture was taken from the grounds of the museum (so

 

> that shows how close it

 

> is) for use in a panorama of the museum and the two

 

> highways it sits

 

> between.

 

>

 

> The panorama is at

 

>

 

http://www.dennygibson.com/DayTrips/Trip5/index.htm#section4

 

> and a somewhat higher resolution version of just the

 

> motel is at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/dt/BM-ZV.jpeg

 

>

 

> --Denny

 

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> sta

 

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> Grey Museum between

 

> > Zanesville and Cambridge. It's an oldie, but I'm

 

> not certain of its

 

> > quality. Perhaps we have some Buckeyes who can

 

> elaborate? Here's their

 

> > website: http://www.bakersmotel.com/

 

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> > > I got info for Zanesville and saw advertisements

 

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> > > and Sycamore motels. Has anyone stayed there or

 

> have any pictures or

 

> > > comments? Would appreciate any input!

 

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> > > Thanks in Advance,

 

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I hope that isn't your only memory of Ohio & Zanesville. With history that

 

includes Zanes Trace, the National Road, & US-40 plus that cool Y bridge,

 

Zanesville is a real American Road sort of place. If you haven't already,

 

you really ought to give it a look when it's not raining.

 

 

 

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> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: RE: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Zanesville OH/National Road motels

 

>

 

> Hey Denny, I remember my 1st year in Jr High School..and

 

> during summer break, my family and I stopped off in

 

> Zanesville for the night going cross country to California.

 

> Not much to talk about either,except for the very wet weather

 

> and for the small flood we had in the back of our Mercury

 

> station wagon :/

 

>

 

> Denny Gibson <denny@dennygibson.com> wrote:Sorry but

 

> Zanesville is another one of those semi-nearby places where

 

> I've never spent the night. Baker's looks OK and I think it

 

> would the first place I'd look if I needed a bed in

 

> Zanesville but I have absolutely no personal experience with

 

> it. You should also know that I'm not a 5 star hotel sort of

 

> guy. I do have one picture but the motel wasn't the primary

 

> subject. The picture was taken from the grounds of the museum

 

> (so that shows how close it

 

> is) for use in a panorama of the museum and the two highways

 

> it sits between.

 

>

 

> The panorama is at

 

> http://www.dennygibson.com/DayTrips/Trip5/index.htm#section4

 

> and a somewhat higher resolution version of just the motel is

 

> at http://www.dennygibson.com/dt/BM-ZV.jpeg

 

>

 

> --Denny

 

>

 

> > -----Original Message-----

 

> > From: Pat B. [mailto:roadmaven@aol.com]

 

> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:58 PM

 

> > To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> > Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Zanesville OH/National Road motels

 

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> >

 

> > Jabba,

 

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> Baker's a

 

> > 5

 

> sta

 

> > Motel is right across the street from the Zane Grey Museum between

 

> > Zanesville and Cambridge. It's an oldie, but I'm not certain of its

 

> > quality. Perhaps we have some Buckeyes who can elaborate?

 

> Here's their

 

> > website: http://www.bakersmotel.com/

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Pat B.

 

> > Speedway, IN

 

> > http://roadtripmemories.com

 

> >

 

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "okydokey89" <okydokey@a...>

 

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> > OH.

 

> > > I got info for Zanesville and saw advertisements for the

 

> Nighty-Nite

 

> > > and Sycamore motels. Has anyone stayed there or have any

 

> pictures

 

> > > or comments? Would appreciate any input!

 

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This interesting "tidbit" pertaining to traffic enforcement in "Duke City" might

 

have some implications to our "roadies"!

 

 

 

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National Motorists Assn lends Support To AClU Challenge

 

 

 

by John Holevoet, Director of Development

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of New Mexico is taking the city of

 

Albuquerque to court over two new ordinances that allow the city's police to

 

seize the vehicles of motorists suspected of drinking and driving, or any

 

vehicle that has received two red-light-camera tickets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mayor Martin Chavez and the Albuquerque city council have used the city's

 

"public nuisance" ordinance to justify permanently seizing the car of anyone

 

accused of a DWI. Sim­ilarly, someone who receives a second red-light-camera

 

ticket would lose his or her vehicle for 30 days, even if the owner was not

 

driving the car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter Simonson, ACLU-New Mexico's executive director, correctly states that

 

these new repressive laws turn traditional due process on its head. "The City

 

has created a system where­by everyone who is accused of these crimes is

 

automatically considered guilty," Simonson said. "That's not fair and it's not

 

constitutional. People deserve their day in court."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mayor Chavez claims he expected legal challenges to the laws, but in recent

 

press interviews, he seemed furious that the ACLU would challenge his perceived

 

dictatorial power. "I've had it. I'm sick of it," Chavez said. "On my watch, we

 

are going to have these laws."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the time being, Chavez will have to wait. District Court Judge Theresa Baca

 

issued a temporary injunction against the enforcement of the laws. Meanwhile,

 

ACLU-New Mexico and the city are preparing their cases for a mid-August trial

 

date.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The ACLU's complaint asserts that the law misapplies the nuisance abatement law,

 

violates the motorists' privacy, disregards due process, and ignores a person's

 

right to confront their accuser(s). "The city is declaring vehicles a public

 

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only made worse because these laws are based on questionable enforcement

 

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yet still ineffective, DUI laws and the use of unsafe, money-grubbing ticket

 

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issue a Legal Aid Grant to the ACLU-New Mexico to aid in their defense of

 

motorists' rights in Albuquerque.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Motorists are often the first to be targeted by laws threatening personal

 

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There are many ghost towns between Flagstaff and Phoeinx that are off 17. Have

 

visited Bumble Bee, Cleator, Humbolt, Mayer and Crown King. I reached all of

 

these in a Dodge. The ride is a very slow and rough but the reward great. Try

 

one you might get hooked on ghost towns. I did one on a whim and now love to

 

explore them. Jerome out of Sedona is a ghost town but full of people and a very

 

interesting an easy drive. If you head to Apache Junction and the Superstition

 

Mountains be sure to eat at Tortilla Flats.....Jane....Have found Cottonwood

 

less expensive to stay in then Sedona if you are looking for an over night try

 

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1. What's near Phoenix?

 

From: "Denny Gibson"

 

2. Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

From: "Ken"

 

3. RE: Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

From: "Denny Gibson"

 

4. Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

From: "Ken"

 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:31:02 -0000

 

From: "Denny Gibson"

 

Subject: What's near Phoenix?

 

 

 

There is a 50/50 chance that I'll shortly have a couple of idle days

 

in Phoenix. My first idea was to spend it going straight up to

 

Flagstaff and driving 66 through Seligman & Oatman. I don't get out

 

west very often, but I did happen to do that drive in June. I know I

 

could find plenty of new things to explore on that stretch but

 

thought I'd ask this group what they would do in a similar situation.

 

Either something new and different around Phoenix or some specific

 

items on Route 66 west of Flagstaff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:30:05 -0000

 

From: "Ken"

 

Subject: Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

 

 

Hey Denny!

 

 

 

If I were you with a few free days off in the Phoenix area, I'd make

 

it into a "Triangle Adventure Trip"! From Phoenix, head east towards

 

Mesa and then onto Apache Junction and drive the old US 60 Highway!

 

Take it through the Salt River Canyon and view the older alignments

 

and great bridges along the way. The scenery abounds as well as

 

visiting through some mighty fine small mining towns along the way!

 

You'll burn up at least a roll of film on this leg of the adventure!

 

 

 

Stay on US 60 to Eager, AZ. From Eager, go north on US 191, which was

 

formerly the lower leg of old US Highway 666. US 191 will dump you

 

onto Route 66, and then head west on the Mother Road, but at times

 

you will have to enter the SuperSlab I-40. No biggie! You'll pass by

 

the Painted Desert and the National Petrified Forest. Be sure to make

 

the Painted Desert loop as you are heading west! Superb indeed!

 

Stay on Route 66 as much as you can, all the way to Flagstaff!

 

 

 

Once in Flagstaff, take in all the great Route 66 sites and icons.

 

From Flagstaff, take SR 89A south to Sedona then on to Prescott. Best

 

to have your camera filled and have extra film on this leg of the

 

Triangle Adventure! Trust me sir! Once in Prescott, take SR 89 to

 

Wickenburg. Voila!...now you're back on old US 60!!!! Take US 60

 

heading east and you'll be strolling back into Phoenix in no time at

 

all. You'll indeed be glad that you made this Triangle Adventure

 

Trip! Oh Yeah!

 

 

 

Like I said, if I had an extra few days in the southern Arizona

 

area,...that's what I would do. Q:)

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

Have a safe sojourn.

 

 

 

the landrunner

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Mike Ward from this E-Group lives in the Mesa area. You should

 

look him up while you're there. You will thoroughly meeting Mike and

 

his wonderful wife Sharon. They are experts in the area!

 

 

 

"To see something that you've never seen before...

 

You have to go somewhere you've never been before."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

wrote:

 

> There is a 50/50 chance that I'll shortly have a couple of idle

 

days

 

> in Phoenix. My first idea was to spend it going straight up to

 

> Flagstaff and driving 66 through Seligman & Oatman. I don't get out

 

> west very often, but I did happen to do that drive in June. I know

 

I

 

> could find plenty of new things to explore on that stretch but

 

> thought I'd ask this group what they would do in a similar

 

situation.

 

> Either something new and different around Phoenix or some specific

 

> items on Route 66 west of Flagstaff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 3

 

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:37:47 -0400

 

From: "Denny Gibson"

 

Subject: RE: Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

 

 

That's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for. Lottsa thanks.

 

 

 

I did a quick plot on the "Triangle" (actually looks a little like a fish,

 

if you squint just right) and it looks like it might be marginally do-able

 

in two days but would really require three or more to avoid a time squeeze.

 

So I have to ask about trimmings and substitutions.

 

 

 

#1. What about clipping the 191 from St Johns to Sanders? The Petrified

 

Forest is certainly cool but I have been there so it has to be considered

 

expendable. The question is, what would I miss by substituting 180 for 191?

 

 

 

#2. An even bigger clip would be to head north at Show Low (Wish I could

 

remember where I've read about that town.) and take 77 straight to Holbrook.

 

 

 

#3. Route 77 goes through Snowflake and seeing that prompted me to dig out

 

Blue Highways. Heat-Moon turned north at Snowflake after taking 87-260-277

 

from Phoenix. That cuts off a few hours, throws in a little literary

 

connection, and completely removes any resemblance to a triangle.

 

 

 

#4. If time got even shorter, I guess I could hightail it out of Flagstaff

 

on I-17 and miss out on Prescott, etc.

 

 

 

This is all theoretical right now because there might be no free time. There

 

could be three or four days but if it turns out to be one or two, I want to

 

be ready to use it. Any comments on the above possibilities?

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Ken [mailto:thelandrunner@yahoo.com]

 

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:30 PM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Denny!

 

 

 

If I were you with a few free days off in the Phoenix area, I'd make

 

it into a "Triangle Adventure Trip"! From Phoenix, head east towards

 

Mesa and then onto Apache Junction and drive the old US 60 Highway!

 

Take it through the Salt River Canyon and view the older alignments

 

and great bridges along the way. The scenery abounds as well as

 

visiting through some mighty fine small mining towns along the way!

 

You'll burn up at least a roll of film on this leg of the adventure!

 

 

 

Stay on US 60 to Eager, AZ. From Eager, go north on US 191, which was

 

formerly the lower leg of old US Highway 666. US 191 will dump you

 

onto Route 66, and then head west on the Mother Road, but at times

 

you will have to enter the SuperSlab I-40. No biggie! You'll pass by

 

the Painted Desert and the National Petrified Forest. Be sure to make

 

the Painted Desert loop as you are heading west! Superb indeed!

 

Stay on Route 66 as much as you can, all the way to Flagstaff!

 

 

 

Once in Flagstaff, take in all the great Route 66 sites and icons.

 

>From Flagstaff, take SR 89A south to Sedona then on to Prescott. Best

 

to have your camera filled and have extra film on this leg of the

 

Triangle Adventure! Trust me sir! Once in Prescott, take SR 89 to

 

Wickenburg. Voila!...now you're back on old US 60!!!! Take US 60

 

heading east and you'll be strolling back into Phoenix in no time at

 

all. You'll indeed be glad that you made this Triangle Adventure

 

Trip! Oh Yeah!

 

 

 

Like I said, if I had an extra few days in the southern Arizona

 

area,...that's what I would do. Q:)

 

 

 

God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

Have a safe sojourn.

 

 

 

the landrunner

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Mike Ward from this E-Group lives in the Mesa area. You should

 

look him up while you're there. You will thoroughly meeting Mike and

 

his wonderful wife Sharon. They are experts in the area!

 

 

 

"To see something that you've never seen before...

 

You have to go somewhere you've never been before."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

wrote:

 

> There is a 50/50 chance that I'll shortly have a couple of idle

 

days

 

> in Phoenix. My first idea was to spend it going straight up to

 

> Flagstaff and driving 66 through Seligman & Oatman. I don't get out

 

> west very often, but I did happen to do that drive in June. I know

 

I

 

> could find plenty of new things to explore on that stretch but

 

> thought I'd ask this group what they would do in a similar

 

situation.

 

> Either something new and different around Phoenix or some specific

 

> items on Route 66 west of Flagstaff.

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 4

 

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:27:25 -0000

 

From: "Ken"

 

Subject: Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

 

 

Greetings Denny!

 

 

 

Hey...I can see that fish that you see. Whoa!

 

 

 

#1. Bypassing US191 to provide time for the journey is certainly an

 

option. The reasons why I suggested US 191 is because 1) It skirts

 

the Apache National Forest and is a beautiful drive, 2) I thought you

 

might enjoy cruising on the former US 666 route. Your choice of path

 

changes to save time is most understandable, and really only depends

 

on the amount of time you can afford. Going by way of US 180 isn't as

 

scenic drive as US 191, but one must keep within the time constraints.

 

 

 

#2. If you were to clip off a part of the Triangle, this choice of

 

taking SR 77 would be your best bet. Takes you on a beeline straight

 

to the Mother Road. This is the clip that I would recommend, if any

 

clipping should have to occur. P.S. - You probably read alot about

 

Showlow and the surrounding areas last year, when the entire area was

 

engulfed with disasterous fires that burned millions of acres of

 

forest and many of the towns were evacuated.

 

 

 

#3. Don't worry about messing up the Triangle shaped journey path.

 

You're reasoning for this clip connects you, in a literary sense, to

 

Blue Highways and is a great motive for making this journey possible!

 

Bring the book with you. You may find a shade tree to stop for a

 

packed roadside lunch and cop a few pages in while you're enjoying

 

the mountain breeze and relaxing a meal down.

 

 

 

#4. Yep. I agree! A quick jaunt over to the SuperSlab will certainly

 

get you out of a bind for time. Another alternate route to this clip

 

could be to remain on course going south from Flagstaff on SR 89A,

 

through Sedona (gotta go to Sedona!), to Prescott. At Prescott, jog

 

southeast on SR 69 through Dewey, Humboldt, Mayer, and then dump onto

 

I-17 from there. This route will trek you through the gap with the

 

Prescott National Forest on both sides. Nice!

 

 

 

Only other advice is to leave very early in the mornings. You will

 

have PLENTY of time to make this journey, especially after some of

 

the clips. Besides, with the Arizona heat blazing this time of year,

 

you'll be glad that you had enjoyed at least a small bit of time in

 

the coolness of the morning air. As a part time hiker, I will always

 

add the recommendation of bringing plenty of water with you.

 

 

 

God Bless Denny! Have fun! Safe and Happy Trails.

 

 

 

the landrunner Q:)

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

wrote:

 

> That's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for. Lottsa thanks.

 

>

 

> I did a quick plot on the "Triangle" (actually looks a little like

 

a fish,

 

> if you squint just right) and it looks like it might be marginally

 

do-able

 

> in two days but would really require three or more to avoid a time

 

squeeze.

 

> So I have to ask about trimmings and substitutions.

 

>

 

> #1. What about clipping the 191 from St Johns to Sanders? The

 

Petrified

 

> Forest is certainly cool but I have been there so it has to be

 

considered

 

> expendable. The question is, what would I miss by substituting 180

 

for 191?

 

>

 

> #2. An even bigger clip would be to head north at Show Low (Wish I

 

could

 

> remember where I've read about that town.) and take 77 straight to

 

Holbrook.

 

>

 

> #3. Route 77 goes through Snowflake and seeing that prompted me to

 

dig out

 

> Blue Highways. Heat-Moon turned north at Snowflake after taking 87-

 

260-277

 

> from Phoenix. That cuts off a few hours, throws in a little literary

 

> connection, and completely removes any resemblance to a triangle.

 

>

 

> #4. If time got even shorter, I guess I could hightail it out of

 

Flagstaff

 

> on I-17 and miss out on Prescott, etc.

 

>

 

> This is all theoretical right now because there might be no free

 

time. There

 

> could be three or four days but if it turns out to be one or two, I

 

want to

 

> be ready to use it. Any comments on the above possibilities?

 

>

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Ken [mailto:thelandrunner@y...]

 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:30 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: What's near Phoenix?

 

>

 

>

 

> Hey Denny!

 

>

 

> If I were you with a few free days off in the Phoenix area, I'd make

 

> it into a "Triangle Adventure Trip"! From Phoenix, head east towards

 

> Mesa and then onto Apache Junction and drive the old US 60 Highway!

 

> Take it through the Salt River Canyon and view the older alignments

 

> and great bridges along the way. The scenery abounds as well as

 

> visiting through some mighty fine small mining towns along the way!

 

> You'll burn up at least a roll of film on this leg of the adventure!

 

>

 

> Stay on US 60 to Eager, AZ. From Eager, go north on US 191, which

 

was

 

> formerly the lower leg of old US Highway 666. US 191 will dump you

 

> onto Route 66, and then head west on the Mother Road, but at times

 

> you will have to enter the SuperSlab I-40. No biggie! You'll pass by

 

> the Painted Desert and the National Petrified Forest. Be sure to

 

make

 

> the Painted Desert loop as you are heading west! Superb indeed!

 

> Stay on Route 66 as much as you can, all the way to Flagstaff!

 

>

 

> Once in Flagstaff, take in all the great Route 66 sites and icons.

 

> >From Flagstaff, take SR 89A south to Sedona then on to Prescott.

 

Best

 

> to have your camera filled and have extra film on this leg of the

 

> Triangle Adventure! Trust me sir! Once in Prescott, take SR 89 to

 

> Wickenburg. Voila!...now you're back on old US 60!!!! Take US 60

 

> heading east and you'll be strolling back into Phoenix in no time at

 

> all. You'll indeed be glad that you made this Triangle Adventure

 

> Trip! Oh Yeah!

 

>

 

> Like I said, if I had an extra few days in the southern Arizona

 

> area,...that's what I would do. Q:)

 

>

 

> God Bless and Happy Trails.

 

> Have a safe sojourn.

 

>

 

> the landrunner

 

>

 

>

 

> P.S. Mike Ward from this E-Group lives in the Mesa area. You should

 

> look him up while you're there. You will thoroughly meeting Mike and

 

> his wonderful wife Sharon. They are experts in the area!

 

>

 

> "To see something that you've never seen before...

 

> You have to go somewhere you've never been before."

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson"

 

> wrote:

 

> > There is a 50/50 chance that I'll shortly have a couple of idle

 

> days

 

> > in Phoenix. My first idea was to spend it going straight up to

 

> > Flagstaff and driving 66 through Seligman & Oatman. I don't get

 

out

 

> > west very often, but I did happen to do that drive in June. I know

 

> I

 

> > could find plenty of new things to explore on that stretch but

 

> > thought I'd ask this group what they would do in a similar

 

> situation.

 

> > Either something new and different around Phoenix or some specific

 

> > items on Route 66 west of Flagstaff.

 

>

 

>

 

> Visit our homepage at: http://www.mockturtlepress.com

 

>

 

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5434 WITH

 

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Pat and Jennifer,

 

 

 

For what it is worth, I would suggest that from now on you leave the

 

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I have a couple of lists where I am the owner and have moderators and we

 

monitor the postings of new members. Not to stop any postings by our

 

members but just to keep the off topic or should I say WAY off topic

 

spamming out of our groups. This seems to work out very well.

 

 

 

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